Porch Ni**er?

Sigh, at any rate, it looks like the domino effect is picking up speed on this issue. I’ll be glad when the last domino barrier, to placing the blame squarely on the perpetrator, has fallen.

Oh I can’t wait to read this one so I give my 2 cents. Man, look what that Bill Cosby done started!!

This is better than……forget it. (KIKI!! You better behave yourself, girl.)

I’m glad to see this wave of reason hitting America. This kind of criticism MUST come from within because the majority of black people won’t put up with it coming from anywhere else. And they’re barely putting up with it coming from within. Amen, Mike Seate. Let’s help America by helping ourselves.

Lola, that’s kind of hard to do when one won’t read anything by dead white men, preferring to read the history of the world according to ebonics.

What chance did Kunte’s Mandinkas have against slave traders from Timbuktu?

But that’s OK. Ancient history is alive and well in Sudan and other islamic African countries.

Or how about that boatload of 400 some children stolen during the Sierra Leone conflict just a few years ago going up adn down the W. African coast looking for buyers. Seems like that went down the memory hole, since a quick google check brought up nothing

Interestingly enough LaShawn this post could apply to anyone raising children today. We have so many parents that have abdicated their roles as parents. We have a generation of parents failing at being parents because it’s easier to have the school, the church or anyone else for that matter parent our children. It sickens me, I see it daily. We have celebrities dumbing it down for everyone and the world holding them up as the icons to follow.

Why is it that the things that Blacks ARE doing are rarely mentioned?

Beau wrote:

(KIKI!! You better behave yourself, girl.)

*musing* Kiki…behave…same sentence? (scratches head) Behave??!! What’s that? Oh, nevermind! I can’t do that!

Okay, here goes! Why is it that when Cosby stands up and says that black parent’s should teach their children, and that black children should be better educated, and that it’s not “acting white”, he gets booed and cursed and hated? YET…I’ll say it again…YET, when Obama(rhymes with Osama) says the exact same thing at the Democratic National Convention, all the blacks stand up and cheer him on and dance in the aisles. I believe that’s a double standard. It should be cheered no matter what. ALL CHILDREN, regardless of race should be encouraged to do well in school and to achieve. That’s not “acting white”, it’s just plain smart and common sense.

Sorry, Beau, I tried to behave. I lasted for all of 5 seconds. Whew! I almost exploded from the sheer agony of behaving.

The black people who are upset with Mike’s article probably haven’t been to downtown Pittsburgh in long time. I rarely go down there myself because there is absolutetly nothing. Lord & Taylors, Lazarus, Claire’s, and other shops are gone. But there are a lot of jewelry stores, CD shops, Ghetto Gear stores, and people out in the streets selling incense and hair ballies. Parking is high. You have panhandlers on every corner. No one goes downtown for anything except to go to work. Everyone goes out to the suburbs to shop, especially to the new Waterfront in Homestead. The only people you see hanging out downtown are young black folks. The guys ride around in their cars blasting their loud music and the girls walk around half naked in packs. Who wants to be around all of that? If you ever come to Pittsburgh, Lashawn, don’t be suprised by how dead it is.

All I’ma say is “Thank GOD the state of P-A honors a Florida CWP. Let us lock & load ‘fore we head downtown. And might as well pack an extra clip or 2. Stay alert, stay alive.”

Nuff said.

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And that Kiki……..I knew She’d launch a Scud.

(I should NOT be eggin her on like that, I know, but I need company. Bad girl!!! Hahahaha. Sweet!!)

What do you mean “conservatives won’t give them their due”? How, exactly, would conservatives go about doing that without pandering?

Conservatives could support programs such as vouchers, small business administration loans to minorities and women, hiring practices based on merit and achievement, faith based initiatives that have been shown to be much more effective than government programs, and equal (not race biased) opportunity.

Oh, wait. They do that.

Beau, you got me crackin’up here!

THANKS Mrs. du Toit (does Kim know you’re here? I’m sure he’d approve!)

DarkStar — do you disagree on any of my points 1, 2, or 3?

I really wish the Rep. Convention would feature more black conservative speakers. I don’t think any from the groups DS mentioned were invited to speak at the NAACP, were they DS? Isn’t it really the Dem Party black toadies that not only refuse to support any Black self-helpers who deny the need for gov’t support, but actively denigrate them?

I’d guess you ARE correct that some Reps like to bash blacks; I’m certain there are at least as many Dems who truly feel that blacks are inferior, merely by being black. They may even feel guilty about feeling superior, but they LIKE: moral superiority, intellectual superiority, and (secretly, unspoken in public) racial superiority.

Before starting to read the link, the facts ARE: that many blacks drop out (as Cos said), and
many that DO graduate are still functionally illiterate.

After starting to read the link, it seems that the theory is to be tested … where’s the executive summary? I’m NOT going waste all evening reading study weasel-jargon. Are they gonna conclude the studies show no “too-white” effect? Or that the studies which do show the effect are not good enough studies?

some 4 or 5 pages in:
“The NELS:88(90) survey includes a number of items concerning the student’s school expectations and work habits, as well as parental involvement. The evidence from these data, reported here, does not support the hypothesis that black youths tend to be more alienated from school than white youths.

Sorry DS — that’s NOT the hypothesis I postulated. I’m thinking fudge is coming, and time wasting.

But wait: “The first is based on simple averages, whereas the second is based on averages that have been adjusted for differences between the two racial groups with respect to several characteristics of respondents’ families: income; mother’s education; and whether or not the respondent lives in the same household with his or her father or other adult male guardian.

So the blame (blacs failing to learn in school — a FACT) is gonna be that so many blacks don’t live with their fathers? Maybe this IS more statistically true — meaning that abstinence and faithfulness are MORE important; but that’s exactly my point #3. AND the point most fought against by the pro-sex, pro-abortion, pro-condom, pro-sex ed (mis-)liberated rad-fems.

So tell me, please DS — why ARE there so many poorly educated blacks?
[maybe this was a good paper, but a pdf file would be better than Prev Next junk]

DarkStar – do you disagree on any of my points 1, 2, or 3?

No I don’t. Here’s something for you. I’ve heard “Black leaders” say the same thing.

I don’t think any from the groups DS mentioned were invited to speak at the NAACP, were they DS?

No. None have been invited to speak at a conservative event, either.

Isn’t it really the Dem Party black toadies that not only refuse to support any Black self-helpers who deny the need for gov’t support, but actively denigrate them?

That’s pretty funny. In Baltimore, Professional Black Men has been recognized, and supported, by Black Democrats. Go figure.

Before starting to read the link, the facts ARE: that many blacks drop out (as Cos said), and
many that DO graduate are still functionally illiterate.

And many graduate, go on to college, and graduate from college. In fact, the numbers and percentage of Black who do so, is rising.

So tell me, please DS – why ARE there so many poorly educated blacks?

I live in a majority white county. Blacks make up about 15% of the county. The county school report just came out for the county. Only one school in the county had a score where 80%+ are considered at level or above. Most were at 50-60%. No school in the county has a majority Black population.

Why do those students seem to be poorly educated?

[maybe this was a good paper, but a pdf file would be better than Prev Next junk]

I am not too sure about (Tom Grey-Liberty Dad’s) comment re: blacks needing to emulate Asians to succeed. Blacks already have a long record of success on their own terms long before Asians arrived in any significant numbers. The problem today is that this past success is not being sustained and is in fact being disparaged by a dysfunctional liberal black culture both on the lower class “streets” and in the toney “suites” filled with “civil rights leaders,” whose main trust seems to be to beg for yet another round of dependency inducing government “programs.”

Let me break it down just as Thomas Sowell has broken it down. When Sowell hears whites speak about blacks “not pulling themselves up” he points out that this is a false impression. Sowell lays it out in his Economics and Politics of Race: “A far higher proportion of blacks in poverty rose out of poverty in the 20 years between 1940 and 1960 — that is, before any major federal civil rights legislation — than in the more than 40 years since then. This trend continued in the 1960s, at a slower pace. The decade of the 1970s — the first affirmative action decade — saw virtually no change in the poverty rate among blacks. In other words, most blacks lifted themselves out of poverty but liberal politicians and black “leaders” have claimed credit. One side effect is that many whites wonder why blacks cannot lift themselves out of poverty like other groups, when that is in fact what most blacks have done…..”

So both white liberals and conservatives are wrong when they shake their heads either to condemn blacks or to patronize them. The data is there. In fact the deeper you dig, the more you see. Check out what Sowell says in “Inside American Education” and “Race and Intelligence” as regards black education. These days the story is of dismal failure despite billions and billions spent in government “assistance”. But way back in the Jim Crow era, the brothas showed that they could kick a** on this front. In the 1940s for example in New York’s lower east side, working class black students held their own against white students of similar description for years. Sometimes the black test scores were a little higher, and sometimes a little lower, but never miles behind the way they are today. All black PUBLIC schools like Dunbar High in Washington DC prior to the “ghettoization” of the 1960s and 1970s, consistently produced test scores for decades equal to or above the white average.

As far as intelligence tests which some whites and others use to claim “declining” black intelligence, the data shows that the intelligence scores of blacks (along with other initially low IQ whites) have been rising for decades. As Sowell points out, it is the “norming” of IQ tests from their earlier baselines so that increases are reshuffled to yield a “normal average” of 100, that has concealed black progress. When progress is measured from the original baselines, in fact, whole nations have experienced rising IQs. There’s even more as you dig into the data. As far back as the First World War for example, black soldiers from northern states, places like New York, Pennsylvania, Illinois, and Ohio scored higher on mental tests than white soldiers from southern regions like Georgia, Arkansas, Kentucky, and Mississippi. Want more? How about those racist theories of “white blood” being responsible for black intelligence? The data shows that the highest IQ blacks – the geniuses, the “brainacs” – consist of people of predominantly black African and Caribbean ancestry, that is, from populations that typically have LESS white genes than the general black American population.

So while Asian effort is admirable, and indeed worthy of emulation (by WHITES too, who score lower than Asians on things like math tests), black folk need no such “role models” to get the job done. The cold fact is that they have been doing the job for decades, long before any “help” by Great White Liberal Fathers and their black lackeys. That progress started to reverse itself in the 1970s and 1980s as many black communities descended into a chaotic mix of drugs, crime, out of wedlock births and other “progressive” things. You want more proof? look at black immigrants from the West Indies. Not only do they have higher average levels of income and education that Black Americans but in some cases, like the second generation, they surpass the white average. Again, black folk need no lectures from other groups about what it takes. The fact that they are despised by others on this score shows how far they have fallen from that earlier record of hard-nosed striving. Today we hear many excuses as to how “institutional racism” is to blame” and how “mo money” is “urgently needed” to “help” blacks. The historical record shows otherwise.

Get the irony? It is the “insensitive” conservative side of the house that has proven its case. They are not ashamed to talk about black performance, and indeed demonstrate that HONEST discussion shows a remarkable record of black achievement against all odds, while liberals try to hush up and hide any “bad news” regarding black performance with charges of “racism” and calls for yet another round of government “programs”. Kudos to LaShawn for her consistent, uncompromising stand on those who would excuse failure. The historical record, as proved by Sowell’s data, backs up everything she has been saying over the years.

Trevorwest, how about everyone needs lectures from every group?

We’re all one race, from Noah and Adam. The color of the skin is about as important as the tribal mark or artificial national border. in other words, stop worrying about “acting white” and hit the books.

Any success story needs to be told and retold as a role model. As you implied, “mo money” isn’t the anser, rather “mo personal accountability”. And only an honest appraisal can bring that about.