The national money behind it may fade. But for true believers they’ll keep fighting. Of course, they might not fight so hard already, with the victory that’s been scored against the latest and dumbest felon list.

Or was it the Clintonistas what did it so that when cHillary assumes the throne, who’d need FBI files on “enemies” when she’ll have everyone’s pertinents at her fingertips. With a keystroke, her cronies will make or break anyone. Now I’m confused…

Conspiracies are intriguing since one really doesn’t have to prove anything, just reasonable doubt. Oh well, we’ll see come what may in November.

Obviously should Kerwards win, we’ll get beat upside the head over the supposed vindication for 2K. But I wonder, if Bush should landslide Florida, will the disenfrachisement meme go away as it relates to Florida voters?

I still dont see the inadvertence, the standards were explained to me in a documentary, and it seems like asking for them to be loosened was anything but inadvertent, and i don’t think its that mystifying as you make it out to be, by likening it to IT contracting. Even so, calling it garbage in, doesn’t mean that the garbage wasn’t put there on purpose.

Remember Sandy Berger? He is a member of the Washington-based Civitas Group, a homeland security venture capital firm, which, in turn is part of the Verified Identity Card consortium, which includes the likes of ;
ChoicePoint–deals in datamining of identities to compare vID card applicants against the government’s terrorist watch lists, and,
TransCore, which manufactures the E-Z Pass device that motorists use when zipping through electronic tollbooths to track prescence.

Years ago, my cousin did his Phd on pervasive tracking for Siemens and my eyes used to just glaze over whenever he talked about it–all I could think was, well, here comes the mark of the beast. But now I’m knee deep in RFID and we’re having our own issues where anything and everything has its own IP address.

If you’re involved in IT, then you should know that time and time again, customers really don’t understand what they are asking from a technology solution vendor. ChoicePoint . When they get vague instructions from the customer, the customer is going to get vague results–GIGO. In spite of the massive brainpower and technology resources, vID is a vast undertaking and there will be plenty of fits and starts before they even get halfway decent. Think M$’s hailstorm, better yet, M$ is to OS what vID is to ID database–in otherwords, bug infested.

Deliberate attempt to maliciously delete voters? No.

Unintended consequences of blind faith in technology? Yes.

So the short list of grievances are;
1) people were inadvertantly purged from the voter rolls.
2) bad ballot design-by-committees, which really had nothing to do with technology. Iwonder how they are going to handle Nader and ensure that people don’t accidently vote for him when they intended to vote for Kedwards, and,
3) a whole section of the Florida Panhandle, living in CST zone, psyched out of their vote by the media’s premature certitude of Gore’s win.

Tell you what, let’s see what happens this time around.

I think we can both agree that these disenfranchised groups have met the new, and/or same old, boss and won’t get fooled again.

But I agree with you that the govt has to be the one doing the bending. Unfortunately, this fight isn’t going to take place under some bloody banner, it’s about ignorance and ineptitude, and plenty of them to go all around and every which way.

Well, they’re doing that now, thankfully. Whose fault is it? the fault of the incompetents that hired choicepoint, and actively told choicepoint to loosen their standards. Wait, thats not incompetence or negligence, thats someone going out of their way and taking affirmative steps to purge more and more voters on less and less evidence.

Philosophically I have a problem with your line of argument, since I feel that a government that depends on the consent of the governed needs to essentially bend over backwards to gain that consent, that the onus is on the onus is on the rulers, not the ruled. But, 2000 showed that thats not how the games is played in FL. So we fight back.

The IRS screwed up my tax refunds, does that mean there was a concerted attempt to pickpocket me? If so, perhaps I better get my tinfoil hat–they’s out to git me.

Following the current meme, I’d think it’d be more logical to assume that perhaps whoever handled my file probably could use some remedial math and reading comphrension. Especially since they went and corrected the error.

As I mentioned before, all the rules, and what have you, were pre-established prior to the 2000 vote. Who’s fault is it if certain people didn’t excerise their right to ensure their legitimate vote was counted?

I guess the retort to my bottomline can be found in Cos’s speech: “People marched and were hit in the face with rocks to get an education, and now we’ve got these knuckleheads walking around. . . . The lower economic people are not holding up their end in this deal. These people are not parenting voting.”

Its not a question of whether felons should or should not get to vote. Its a question of which felon database is used to strip people from the voter rolls. Thankfully we just stopped the recent nightmare by showing how idiotic the process behind the current database was. Who was the moron in charge of that?

I think the retort to your Bottom line is in Sharptons speech: this vote is born in blood and is sacred. This isn’t about recounts. This isn’t about 5-4 decisions. This is about disenfranchisement.

If the number of felons as a % of the population is truly an issue, then We The People need to do something about Zero-tolerance, 3-strikes and Mandatory Sentencing. Especially damaging is “our” penchant for upgrading all manner of misdemeanors to felonies. Perhaps, this is where Sharpton should be focusing on.

If there was disenfranchisement in Florida, blame it on the inept local democratic party leadership, who designed the ballots, issued confusing polling information and generally ran a mediocre campaign in the runup to the election. The least they could have done was run a couple of useability tests to ensure that the average Joe could understand the butterfly format. But I guess that is to be expected, since AA basically ensured that the cream does not rise to the top.

If possible disenfranchisement was really the issue, then sue to recount the entire State, instead of cherrypicking regions. But should that have happened, Bush also had the option to throw a couple other States where he narrowly lost, which upon further research was found to be a credible win for him, due to democratic tactics of buying Indian and dead people votes. Undoubtably, for as long as they may care to drag it out, Bush probably would have still won.

Bottomline, Florida is a dead issue–plenty of research have independently concluded that Bush won. And Gore should have had the decency to stick to the rules of the game, instead of trying to create new ones out of thin air.

Imagine trying to play basketball without clearly defined rules and making it up as the game progresses.

Finally, seeing how Gore self-detructed, we should all be grateful to Providence that he didn’t become Prez and have to NOT deal with the aftermath of 9-11.

You and I must be using different felon lists then.

How else could one understand:

“Mr. President, the reason we are fighting so hard, the reason we took Florida so seriously, is our right to vote wasn’t gained because of our age. Our vote was soaked in the blood of martyrs, soaked in the blood of Goodman, Chaney and Schwerner, soaked in the blood of four little girls in Birmingham. This vote is sacred to us.”

No sell outs or beggars here. Just fighters.