A Pro-Choice God?

Since when is writing on your own website shoving something down someone else’s throat?

I don’t know about her god, but according to my God, this is how King David (a forefather of Jesus) describes it, with a condensed commentary from Gill:
Psalms 139:13-16

(13) For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother’s womb.
(Gill’s Bible Commentary) For thou hast possessed my reins,…. His thoughts and counsels, the reins being the seat of instruction and counsel; hence God is called the trier of the reins, and searcher of the hearts of the children of men; he is the possessor or master of their most secret thoughts, and thoroughly knows them; see Psa 73:25; moreover the reins are the seat of lust, the bed in which it is conceived and brought forth, and God knows the first motions of it there; and that the imagination of the thought of man’s heart is evil continually, Gen 6:5; thou hast covered me in my mother’s womb; with the secundine, or afterbirth, in which he carefully wrapped him, a proof of his knowledge of him, and care for him in the womb; or with skin and flesh he covered his bones with as they grew there; see Job 10:11; or the sense is, he protected and defended him in his embryo state, and when ripe for birth took him out from thence, and held him up ever since, Psa 22:9; he had his eye on him when no other eye could see him, not even his mother that bare him, and before ever he himself saw light. The Targum is, hast founded me in my mother’s womb.

(14) I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvelous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.
(Gill) I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made,…. the formation of man is not of himself, nor of his parents, but of God, and is very wonderful in all its parts; it has been matter of astonishment to many Heathens, as Galen and others, who have, with any carefulness, examined the structure and texture of the human body, the exact symmetry and just proportion of all its parts, their position and usefulness; holy every bone, muscle, artery, nerve and fibre, are nicely framed and placed to answer their designed end; particularly the eye and ear, the exquisite make of them for sight and sound, have filled the most diligent inquirers into nature with amazement and wonder, and are a full proof of the wisdom and knowledge of God; see Psa 94:9; no man has cause to reproach his parents, nor blame the Former of all things for making him thus, but on the contrary should praise the Lord, as David did, who has given him life and breath, and all things; or own and confess, as the word may be rendered, that he is in various surprising instances a wonder of nature.

(15) My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.
(Gill) My substance was not hid from thee when I was made in secret,…. Or “my bone”; everyone of his bones, which are the substantial parts of the body, the strength of it; and so some render it “my strength”; those, though covered with skin and flesh yet, being done by the Lord himself, were not hid from him; nor the manner of their production and growth, which being done in secret is a secret to men; for they know not how the bones grow in the womb of her that is with child, Ecc 11:5; but God does; and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth; or formed in my mother’s womb, as the Targum, and so Jarchi, like a curious piece of needlework or embroidery, as the word signifies; and such is the contexture of the human body, and so nicely and curiously are all its parts put together, bones, muscles, arteries, veins, nerves, and fibres, as exceed the most curious piece of needlework, or the finest embroidery that ever was made by the hands of men; and all this done in the dark shop of nature, in the “ovarium”, where there is no more light to work by than in the lowest parts of the earth. The same phrase is used of Christ’s descent into this world, into the womb of the virgin, where his human nature was curiously wrought by the finger of the blessed Spirit, Eph 4:9.

(16) Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none, of them.
(Gill) Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect,…. The word for “substance” signifies a bottom of yarn wound up, or any rude or unformed lump; and designs that conglomerated mass of matter separated in the womb, containing all the essentials of the human frame, but not yet distinguished or reduced into any form or order; yet, even when in this state, the eyes of the Lord see it and all its parts distinctly; and in thy book all my members were written: which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them; in the book of God’s eternal mind, and designs, the plan of the human body was drawn, all the parts of it described, and their form, places, and uses fixed, even when as yet not one of them was in actual being; but in due time they are all exactly formed and fashioned according to the model of them in the mind of God; who has as perfect knowledge of them beforehand as if they were written down in a book before him, Or “in thy book are written all of them, what days they should be fashioned”; not only each of the members of the body were put down in this book, but each of the days in which they should be formed and come into order: “when” as yet there was “none of them”; none of those days, before they took place, even before all time; the Targum is, the book of thy memory all my days are written, in the day the world was created, from the beginning that all creatures were created.

For more facts:
http://www.abortionno.org/

And to quote Pres Reagan: “Abortion is advocated only by persons who have themselves been born.”

i think you’ve taken her out of context, la shawn. re “shoving your religion down my throat” i believe she’s talking about those who would make it (abortion) illegal. she thinks it’s a matter of private conscience, so making it illegal, denying her choice, would in effect be force-feeding your (version of) religion.

honestly, much of it is all a matter of interpretation. there were even versions of the bible back inna day that held that black folk were only part-men (it was a justification for slavery). wouldn’t the jesus/god thing to do be to live and help those you can. God will sit in judgement of real sinners, not us.

memer: That is approximately my opinion on the matter. Let them do as they please, God will settle up their scorecards when the time comes. However, I do realize that certain faiths promote the concept of being “your brothers keeper”. Isn’t a wonderful thing to live in a country where we can all exist with our varied beliefs? I think so.

>there were even versions of the bible back inna day that held that black folk were only part-men

What version? Are you sure you don’t mean commentaries, which of course are mere opinions?

>God will sit in judgement of real sinners, not us.

This is such utter nonsense that I do not know where to begin. One passage to start with is James 2:10

For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.

william: yup, my very bad. it’s the curse of ham/canaan thing i’m referring to, actually (you can google search that yourself). it’s all well and good that we know better now, but my point is that interpretation is not always an absolute thing. best to live and let live and let god sit in judgement. i have no idea why the idea of letting god sit in judgement is “such utter nonsense.” your quote from james only proves my point, friend (the modern-day “interpretation” begins: if you live in a glass house…)

jeff: yes, that’s my interpretation. so? where’s the incoherence?
(the other quote wasn’t mine)

>God will sit in judgement of real sinners, not us.

I think this was meant to be understood as, “God, not we, will sit in judgement of real sinners.”

I also think that the “shoving your religion down my throat” comment was probably referring to our attempt to legislate the (im)morality of abortion.

But, yes, it misses the fact that we always legislate somebody’s morality. e.g. What if my “religion” thinks that killing adults is ok too?

memer/Doug;
So to take that to its logical conclusion:
Allah says kill all infidels, so we’ll just let them, even if it means we’re the target.

Typical liberal meme: “Self-defense on our part? No way, god says thou shall not kill”?

Is that why there’s no outrage over Sudan? They’re just practising their religion of post-birth abortion and pre-emptive abortion (a la minority report pre-crime meme)? Let them do their thing, Allah will reward them 72 virgins for our heads.

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I suppose thinkers also support Margaret Sanger, founding “mother” of planned parenthood to kill millions of Ni****s, see http://blackgenocide.org/negro.html. She succeeded with the assistance of those within the black elite (the real Unka Toms) who saw birth control as a means to attain economic empowerment, elevate the race and garner the “respect” of whites.

Ironic that she’s hailed as a hero for exterminating more humans than you-know-who killed Jews.

The problem with trying to remove morality from legislation only means you have nothing to stand on, since the foundation is always shifting with the tides of fadish memes

RepJ: Wow, I had no idea! more surprising that the paragon of progressive thinking would even post such truths for all to see.

The difference between the classical version and the modern is like the difference between Jesse’s new bible and his old outdated King James Bible.

As usual, modern thinkers pick and discard fragments of the original/founding docs to bolster their progressive thinking.

Like Herb Meyer’s “Seige of Western Civilization” video explains; they have effectively gutted the spirit while maintaining the shell of our society

Doug, no problem. If that last sentence threw me off, it probably made others think otherwise. At least we’re clear on poistions now. Thanks

have you ever seen this website. Wow:

http://www.klannedparenthood.com/History_of_Abortion_Statistics/

Also, Jesse Jackson flip-flopped his take on abortion. The front page of this website, which I see is referenced above, has a quote of his. (no source however)

http://blackgenocide.org/

Traditional religion is not the enemy.

Depends on how traditional the religion is, IMHO.