Comments on: Courting The Black Vote http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/08/12/courting-the-black-vote/ Mon, 16 Mar 2009 18:49:09 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: Back of the Envelope http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/08/12/courting-the-black-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-8401 Back of the Envelope Wed, 20 Oct 2004 18:03:32 +0000 http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/08/12/courting-the-black-vote/#comment-8401 <strong>Support for Bush up among black voters</strong> Now this is interesting. Captain Ed points to an AP article that shows that Bush... Support for Bush up among black voters
Now this is interesting. Captain Ed points to an AP article that shows that Bush…

]]> By: La Shawn http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/08/12/courting-the-black-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-1302 La Shawn Fri, 13 Aug 2004 19:08:12 +0000 http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/08/12/courting-the-black-vote/#comment-1302 Sometimes I wonder... Sometimes I wonder…

]]> By: DarkStar http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/08/12/courting-the-black-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-1301 DarkStar Fri, 13 Aug 2004 18:57:13 +0000 http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/08/12/courting-the-black-vote/#comment-1301 <i>In other words, blacks are to stupid to think and are lead around by the nose. Eh?</i> You know, that's the general tone I read when I read/hear comments by the "Black conservative" elite. In other words, blacks are to stupid to think and are lead around by the nose. Eh?

You know, that’s the general tone I read when I read/hear comments by the “Black conservative” elite.

]]> By: hirez http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/08/12/courting-the-black-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-1283 hirez Fri, 13 Aug 2004 15:23:02 +0000 http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/08/12/courting-the-black-vote/#comment-1283 "Years of damage caused by liberal ideology and misinformation pumped into the black community for the past 25 years." In other words, blacks are to stupid to think and are lead around by the nose. Eh? “Years of damage caused by liberal ideology and misinformation pumped into the black community for the past 25 years.”

In other words, blacks are to stupid to think and are lead around by the nose. Eh?

]]> By: Carin http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/08/12/courting-the-black-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-1276 Carin Fri, 13 Aug 2004 14:31:42 +0000 http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/08/12/courting-the-black-vote/#comment-1276 Vanyogan, I'm kinda confused. What does drug policy have to do with black voting patterns? Are you suggesting that Republicans are for prohibition because they get money for being such? And, how does such a stance fit into the black vote? Personally, I have no idea what the 95% of blacks who vote Dem prefer ... legalization or not (I would guess not.) I would say the drug issues (in our cities, but spreading to nice redneck communities as well) is a lot more complicated than a public policy. Being a parent - I think the issue FIRST and formost is a family issue. Mom and Dad are going to have a lot more influence over whether their little Jr takes and/or sells drugs. Vanyogan,
I’m kinda confused. What does drug policy have to do with black voting patterns? Are you suggesting that Republicans are for prohibition because they get money for being such? And, how does such a stance fit into the black vote?

Personally, I have no idea what the 95% of blacks who vote Dem prefer … legalization or not (I would guess not.) I would say the drug issues (in our cities, but spreading to nice redneck communities as well) is a lot more complicated than a public policy. Being a parent – I think the issue FIRST and formost is a family issue. Mom and Dad are going to have a lot more influence over whether their little Jr takes and/or sells drugs.

]]> By: RepJ http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/08/12/courting-the-black-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-1254 RepJ Fri, 13 Aug 2004 02:46:09 +0000 http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/08/12/courting-the-black-vote/#comment-1254 Darkstar, As I understand it, MLK wrote a letter to both Nixon and Kennedy while he was being kept in jail. Kennedy answered, Nixon did not, and it was a symbol type moment for blacks of that time. Can anyone else elaborate on this? Darkstar,

As I understand it, MLK wrote a letter to both Nixon and Kennedy while he was being kept in jail. Kennedy answered, Nixon did not, and it was a symbol type moment for blacks of that time. Can anyone else elaborate on this?

]]> By: Vanyogan http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/08/12/courting-the-black-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-1252 Vanyogan Fri, 13 Aug 2004 02:28:31 +0000 http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/08/12/courting-the-black-vote/#comment-1252 Sorry, Quasi ya know... Which political party is positioned t challenge the status quo on illegal drug policy and why have they not done so? That would be my point. Follow the money... Sorry, Quasi ya know…

Which political party is positioned t challenge the status quo on illegal drug policy and why have they not done so?

That would be my point. Follow the money…

]]> By: Vanyogan http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/08/12/courting-the-black-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-1251 Vanyogan Fri, 13 Aug 2004 02:25:15 +0000 http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/08/12/courting-the-black-vote/#comment-1251 I won't mince words here. For those like Mike who just zipped over on the NRO band wagon I'll put it straight to you. FOLLOW THE MONEY. I'm a redneck quasi-intellectual, quasi cuz I'm not and intellectual because I spend too much time read'n this stuff. But please folks, follow the money. Sometines the answer to follow the money is simply choosing which rich support group is right. Most of the time the answer is profound in how and to whom the money goes to in politics. I will simply say that I think that Walter WIlliams, Victor David Hansson and Stanley Crouch are opinons you simply have to read, though I'm thinking of adding Avery to the list. The wandering point is this... if you go to c-span Book Notes and listen to In depth w/Stanley Crouch for four hours, you get his take on the drug problem(follow the money). Both sides are paying for the status quo. Any idiot should be able to determine that prohibition is a losing public policy. This applies to the 20/21st century drug problem. This begs the question... Which political party [subliminal message(democrat democrat Duh? I won’t mince words here. For those like Mike who just zipped over on the NRO band wagon I’ll put it straight to you. FOLLOW THE MONEY. I’m a redneck quasi-intellectual, quasi cuz I’m not and intellectual because I spend too much time read’n this stuff. But please folks, follow the money. Sometines the answer to follow the money is simply choosing which rich support group is right. Most of the time the answer is profound in how and to whom the money goes to in politics.

I will simply say that I think that Walter WIlliams, Victor David Hansson and Stanley Crouch are opinons you simply have to read, though I’m thinking of adding Avery to the list.

The wandering point is this… if you go to c-span Book Notes and listen to In depth w/Stanley Crouch for four hours, you get his take on the drug problem(follow the money). Both sides are paying for the status quo. Any idiot should be able to determine that prohibition is a losing public policy. This applies to the 20/21st century drug problem. This begs the question…

Which political party [subliminal message(democrat democrat Duh?

]]> By: DarkStar http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/08/12/courting-the-black-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-1250 DarkStar Fri, 13 Aug 2004 02:22:34 +0000 http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/08/12/courting-the-black-vote/#comment-1250 When Nixon ran, he got 20-25% of the Black vote. Since then, Republicans haven't even tried to get the Black vote, except for limited situations. Why, since Republicans do have a strong history, did Republicans abandon Black voters? Republicans try to get the Jewish vote, which is 80-85% for Democrats. Again, why the difference? I feel a blog coming on... When Nixon ran, he got 20-25% of the Black vote. Since then, Republicans haven’t even tried to get the Black vote, except for limited situations.

Why, since Republicans do have a strong history, did Republicans abandon Black voters?

Republicans try to get the Jewish vote, which is 80-85% for Democrats.

Again, why the difference?

I feel a blog coming on…

]]> By: Andrew http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/08/12/courting-the-black-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-1248 Andrew Fri, 13 Aug 2004 00:52:05 +0000 http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/08/12/courting-the-black-vote/#comment-1248 <i>Republicans should keep emphasizing that the federal government is not supposed to have this much control over the people.</i><p>And how do you propose the Republicans start that conversation with blacks without airing ads on black media and going to black churches? Really, 25-30% of the black vote is too much for the GOP to ever hope for until blacks wean themselves off the idea that big federal government=good. However, with more media attacks and church hopping, it's absolutely supportable to say that Republicans can get 15-20% of the black vote. And, La Shawn, that's all we'll need to absolutely kill any chances of Democrats winning in national and most statewide elections.</p> Republicans should keep emphasizing that the federal government is not supposed to have this much control over the people.

And how do you propose the Republicans start that conversation with blacks without airing ads on black media and going to black churches? Really, 25-30% of the black vote is too much for the GOP to ever hope for until blacks wean themselves off the idea that big federal government=good. However, with more media attacks and church hopping, it’s absolutely supportable to say that Republicans can get 15-20% of the black vote. And, La Shawn, that’s all we’ll need to absolutely kill any chances of Democrats winning in national and most statewide elections.

]]> By: Carin http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/08/12/courting-the-black-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-1232 Carin Thu, 12 Aug 2004 21:55:06 +0000 http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/08/12/courting-the-black-vote/#comment-1232 < <I believe black people are THE most sophisticated voters in the country. If you work on THAT belief, you (i.e. the GOP and GOP supporters) will go far. I know that some of you get it. But most of you don?t.>> Well, given that my husband heard one black woman tell another (last month) that the Republicans are trying to take away the black vote ... I'm not really willing to get on board with you Lester. I live in a community that is 86% black ... and while voting for the last elections, a voting official explained voting to the (black) person ahead of me by saying thus ... (paraphrasing) ... 'It's easy, you just vote straight ballot Democrat!" Neither white nor blacks have ownership of the "most sophisticated voter" trophy. And, believe me, I have issues with ANY uninformed voter. But, since I'm not surrounded by conservative Christians (ill informed or otherwise) ... I'll let someone else be concerned about hoping to educated their ranks. Besides, if they vote the way I prefer, I don't care. I happen to believe ... by luck, perhaps, they have picked the correct "side." < >

Well, given that my husband heard one black woman tell another (last month) that the Republicans are trying to take away the black vote … I’m not really willing to get on board with you Lester. I live in a community that is 86% black … and while voting for the last elections, a voting official explained voting to the (black) person ahead of me by saying thus … (paraphrasing) … ‘It’s easy, you just vote straight ballot Democrat!”

Neither white nor blacks have ownership of the “most sophisticated voter” trophy. And, believe me, I have issues with ANY uninformed voter. But, since I’m not surrounded by conservative Christians (ill informed or otherwise) … I’ll let someone else be concerned about hoping to educated their ranks. Besides, if they vote the way I prefer, I don’t care. I happen to believe … by luck, perhaps, they have picked the correct “side.”

]]> By: Mike http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/08/12/courting-the-black-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-1221 Mike Thu, 12 Aug 2004 20:39:10 +0000 http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/08/12/courting-the-black-vote/#comment-1221 I'm part of the NRO-referred crowd, and it took me about 2 seconds to decide I'd better bookmark ya. Great blog, imho. Your post on how Republicans ought to "court" the black vote by just being themselves rather than tailoring their message (i.e., giving in on some core liberal-conservative divide issues) more eloquently captures what I was trying to say in a note to Jonah Goldberg that got posted in NRO's corner a couple days ago (http://www.nationalreview.com/thecorner/04_08_08_corner-archive.asp#037687). But your point about how the federal government has been the chief guarantor of civil rights has me (re)thinking. Somehow Republicans DO have to find a way to communicate a "tailored" message to the black community, don't they? One that says, yes, we are the party of limited government (and pro-life, pro-family, pro-defense, etc.) but no, we are not looking to "turn back the clock" on civil rights; in fact, we are fully committed to all the civil rights gains that have been achieved? Except then we run into the problem of affirmative action, on which most Republicans DO want to "turn back the clock" - for powerfully persuasive reasons, I think, but then I'm white, and any black politician who makes the case against affirmative action gets vilified (Connerly, Keyes, etc.). So what do you think Republicans should do: (a) talk openly and honestly about wanting to end affirmative action, (b) not talk about it, or (c) support it? Maybe this is grist for a future post (or maybe you've addressed it in the past-sorry, I'm a newbie) - you're going to get a ton of new comments and I certainly don't expect you to respond. You do have a new fan, though. I’m part of the NRO-referred crowd, and it took me about 2 seconds to decide I’d better bookmark ya. Great blog, imho.
Your post on how Republicans ought to “court” the black vote by just being themselves rather than tailoring their message (i.e., giving in on some core liberal-conservative divide issues) more eloquently captures what I was trying to say in a note to Jonah Goldberg that got posted in NRO’s corner a couple days ago (http://www.nationalreview.com/thecorner/04_08_08_corner-archive.asp#037687). But your point about how the federal government has been the chief guarantor of civil rights has me (re)thinking. Somehow Republicans DO have to find a way to communicate a “tailored” message to the black community, don’t they? One that says, yes, we are the party of limited government (and pro-life, pro-family, pro-defense, etc.) but no, we are not looking to “turn back the clock” on civil rights; in fact, we are fully committed to all the civil rights gains that have been achieved? Except then we run into the problem of affirmative action, on which most Republicans DO want to “turn back the clock” – for powerfully persuasive reasons, I think, but then I’m white, and any black politician who makes the case against affirmative action gets vilified (Connerly, Keyes, etc.). So what do you think Republicans should do: (a) talk openly and honestly about wanting to end affirmative action, (b) not talk about it, or (c) support it?
Maybe this is grist for a future post (or maybe you’ve addressed it in the past-sorry, I’m a newbie) – you’re going to get a ton of new comments and I certainly don’t expect you to respond. You do have a new fan, though.

]]> By: Lester Spence http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/08/12/courting-the-black-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-1220 Lester Spence Thu, 12 Aug 2004 20:30:47 +0000 http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/08/12/courting-the-black-vote/#comment-1220 Take the word "black" above, and replace it with "[white] conservative Christians" and take the words "Republican" and "GOP" with "Democratic Party". The same argument holds. We wouldn't expect conservative Christians to support the Democratic Party because of the DNC's stances on issues like abortion or same-sex marriage. And we wouldn't blame conservative Christians for their stances would we? I would NEVER say...LaShawn is LOST because she's supporting the GOP. I believe black people are THE most sophisticated voters in the country. If you work on THAT belief, you (i.e. the GOP and GOP supporters) will go far. I know that some of you get it. But most of you don't. So I'm predicting...7% of the vote tops. Take the word “black” above, and replace it with “[white] conservative Christians” and take the words “Republican” and “GOP” with “Democratic Party”. The same argument holds. We wouldn’t expect conservative Christians to support the Democratic Party because of the DNC’s stances on issues like abortion or same-sex marriage. And we wouldn’t blame conservative Christians for their stances would we? I would NEVER say…LaShawn is LOST because she’s supporting the GOP.

I believe black people are THE most sophisticated voters in the country. If you work on THAT belief, you (i.e. the GOP and GOP supporters) will go far. I know that some of you get it. But most of you don’t.

So I’m predicting…7% of the vote tops.

]]> By: La Shawn http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/08/12/courting-the-black-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-1184 La Shawn Thu, 12 Aug 2004 16:19:47 +0000 http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/08/12/courting-the-black-vote/#comment-1184 Not at all, Carin. I think grassroots efforts have a good use. Welcome to the blog, everyone! Not at all, Carin. I think grassroots efforts have a good use. Welcome to the blog, everyone!

]]> By: Rick http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/08/12/courting-the-black-vote/comment-page-1/#comment-1181 Rick Thu, 12 Aug 2004 16:09:55 +0000 http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/08/12/courting-the-black-vote/#comment-1181 If the schools *really* taught U.S. history, then it would have to become obvious to young Blacks that servility to the Democratic Party is just sleeping with the enemy. The party of the CSA, KKK, Jim Crow, Woodrow (purge Blacks from the Federal government)Wilson, Theodore Bilbo and Lester Maddox has managed to convince too many people not only that the Dem. leopard has changed its spots, but that it never had a problem to begin with. Never mind 150 years of outright hostility to Blacks; hark to our new slogan: "Republicans are racists!" Cordially... If the schools *really* taught U.S. history, then it would have to become obvious to young Blacks that servility to the Democratic Party is just sleeping with the enemy. The party of the CSA, KKK, Jim Crow, Woodrow (purge Blacks from the Federal government)Wilson, Theodore Bilbo and Lester Maddox has managed to convince too many people not only that the Dem. leopard has changed its spots, but that it never had a problem to begin with.

Never mind 150 years of outright hostility to Blacks; hark to our new slogan: “Republicans are racists!”

Cordially…

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