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		<title>By: history teacher</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/08/25/burn-flag/comment-page-1/#comment-33918</link>
		<dc:creator>history teacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Apr 2005 02:12:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I only need to tell you all to do your homework!

In the beginning of our country&#039;s partisan development the republican stood for all of the things that the democrat stands for today.  Lincoln was a republican!  
There is also documentation in letters written by Lincoln that demonstrate the global pressure he was under to end slavery although he thought it appropriate.

Back to the partisan issue!  It wasn&#039;t until FDR that the political views of the democrat became what they are today!  Big Government and Social Reform.  All of you need to look it up!  Don&#039;t speak until you know all of the facts.

p.s. question everything!  just because someone wrote it doesn&#039;t make it true!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I only need to tell you all to do your homework!</p>
<p>In the beginning of our country&#8217;s partisan development the republican stood for all of the things that the democrat stands for today.  Lincoln was a republican!<br />
There is also documentation in letters written by Lincoln that demonstrate the global pressure he was under to end slavery although he thought it appropriate.</p>
<p>Back to the partisan issue!  It wasn&#8217;t until FDR that the political views of the democrat became what they are today!  Big Government and Social Reform.  All of you need to look it up!  Don&#8217;t speak until you know all of the facts.</p>
<p>p.s. question everything!  just because someone wrote it doesn&#8217;t make it true!</p>
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		<title>By: Kathi Williams</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/08/25/burn-flag/comment-page-1/#comment-2267</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathi Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2004 16:46:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a few facts I&#039;d like to share: 

1. The South did not invent slavery. It was in existence for over 1000 years before the United States became a country. Almost every race has been slaves at one time or another, not just blacks. 

2. In the old South 7% of whites owned slaves, and 2% of blacks owned slaves. Yes they did own some of their own people! According to the U.S. census reported that approximately 10,000 free blacks owned 60,000 black slaves. Also, among the population of Indians on the Trail of Tears (kicked out of their land by the U.S. waving Old Glory) 25% were black slaves owned by the Cherokee. 

3. Back in 1776 all 13 colonies owned slaves when the U.S. seceded from England. Does that mean that the Revolutionary War was fought over slavery? Does that mean that the United States Flag is racist?  If so, then I guess that Independence Day is also a racist holiday because every state owned slaves on July 4th 1776. 

4. Slaves were brought to America by U.S. slave ships (with American flags!) sailing from the northern states of: New York, New Jersey, Rhode Island, Massachusetts, and Delaware. Not one ship sailing under the Confederate flag ever left port to embark in the slave trade, nor did southerners go hunting in the jungle for slaves as the media may lead you to believe. 

5. Black Africans sold their own people into slavery. Nigeria was the lead player in the slave trade. Should we prohibit the displaying of their flag?

6. The Emancipation Proclamation (of 1863) did not set the slaves in the United States free. It only declared slaves free in the Confederacy in which Lincoln had no power. In the states that were in his power, those slaves were not free until the 13th amendment was passed in Dec of 1865 (8 months after “The Great Emancipator” was dead).  If the North was fighting to end slavery, why didn’t they free their own slaves in 1861 when the war began?  The United States Congress was made up of only Northerners at that time so it would have been really easy to do! The American Flag waved over the heads of slaves for 89 years. Including the 8 months after the Confederacy was no more! 

7. If only 7% of white Southerners owned slaves, why on earth would the other 93% risk their lives and homes by engaging (for 4 long years) in the bloodiest battle this country had ever seen just to save the institution of slavery? 

8. After the “Civil War” blacks were not allowed to move to some northern states because of  “black codes”. It’s ironic that the state of Illinois that is the “Land of Lincoln” was one of such states.  Lincoln even tried to deport the slaves. He sent many of them by ship to Haiti; it was his “Colonization Plan”. If he thought that blacks were his equal why didn’t he want to live by them? 

9. The South seceded from the Union because of the many constitutional violations being heaped upon it from the north. Much like the Revolutionary War in which we fought for our rights to be free from an oppressive government, the South had the moral imperative to posterity to do the same. 

10. The Confederate flag is a symbol of those honorable people who fought and died for freedom. They firmly believed in the right of the people to govern themselves. The Confederate States of America was a country for over 4 years. Jefferson Davis’ terms of negotiation to end the war was basically that he would end slavery but remain a separate country. It is about heritage not hate!

(You can find a lot of info in the Library of Congress!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a few facts I&#8217;d like to share: </p>
<p>1. The South did not invent slavery. It was in existence for over 1000 years before the United States became a country. Almost every race has been slaves at one time or another, not just blacks. </p>
<p>2. In the old South 7% of whites owned slaves, and 2% of blacks owned slaves. Yes they did own some of their own people! According to the U.S. census reported that approximately 10,000 free blacks owned 60,000 black slaves. Also, among the population of Indians on the Trail of Tears (kicked out of their land by the U.S. waving Old Glory) 25% were black slaves owned by the Cherokee. </p>
<p>3. Back in 1776 all 13 colonies owned slaves when the U.S. seceded from England. Does that mean that the Revolutionary War was fought over slavery? Does that mean that the United States Flag is racist?  If so, then I guess that Independence Day is also a racist holiday because every state owned slaves on July 4th 1776. </p>
<p>4. Slaves were brought to America by U.S. slave ships (with American flags!) sailing from the northern states of: New York, New Jersey, Rhode Island, Massachusetts, and Delaware. Not one ship sailing under the Confederate flag ever left port to embark in the slave trade, nor did southerners go hunting in the jungle for slaves as the media may lead you to believe. </p>
<p>5. Black Africans sold their own people into slavery. Nigeria was the lead player in the slave trade. Should we prohibit the displaying of their flag?</p>
<p>6. The Emancipation Proclamation (of 1863) did not set the slaves in the United States free. It only declared slaves free in the Confederacy in which Lincoln had no power. In the states that were in his power, those slaves were not free until the 13th amendment was passed in Dec of 1865 (8 months after “The Great Emancipator” was dead).  If the North was fighting to end slavery, why didn’t they free their own slaves in 1861 when the war began?  The United States Congress was made up of only Northerners at that time so it would have been really easy to do! The American Flag waved over the heads of slaves for 89 years. Including the 8 months after the Confederacy was no more! </p>
<p>7. If only 7% of white Southerners owned slaves, why on earth would the other 93% risk their lives and homes by engaging (for 4 long years) in the bloodiest battle this country had ever seen just to save the institution of slavery? </p>
<p>8. After the “Civil War” blacks were not allowed to move to some northern states because of  “black codes”. It’s ironic that the state of Illinois that is the “Land of Lincoln” was one of such states.  Lincoln even tried to deport the slaves. He sent many of them by ship to Haiti; it was his “Colonization Plan”. If he thought that blacks were his equal why didn’t he want to live by them? </p>
<p>9. The South seceded from the Union because of the many constitutional violations being heaped upon it from the north. Much like the Revolutionary War in which we fought for our rights to be free from an oppressive government, the South had the moral imperative to posterity to do the same. </p>
<p>10. The Confederate flag is a symbol of those honorable people who fought and died for freedom. They firmly believed in the right of the people to govern themselves. The Confederate States of America was a country for over 4 years. Jefferson Davis’ terms of negotiation to end the war was basically that he would end slavery but remain a separate country. It is about heritage not hate!</p>
<p>(You can find a lot of info in the Library of Congress!)</p>
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		<title>By: RepJ</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/08/25/burn-flag/comment-page-1/#comment-2139</link>
		<dc:creator>RepJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Aug 2004 23:23:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actus,

Obviously, Nixon&#039;s &quot;southern strategy&quot; didn&#039;t work out too well since it took over 20 years for the governorships to go completely Republican.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actus,</p>
<p>Obviously, Nixon&#8217;s &#8220;southern strategy&#8221; didn&#8217;t work out too well since it took over 20 years for the governorships to go completely Republican.</p>
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		<title>By: RepJ</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/08/25/burn-flag/comment-page-1/#comment-2137</link>
		<dc:creator>RepJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Aug 2004 23:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeannie and Woody, you got it right. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeannie and Woody, you got it right. <img src='http://lashawnbarber.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jeannie</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/08/25/burn-flag/comment-page-1/#comment-2107</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeannie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Aug 2004 19:32:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As another white (though more olive than ghostly) southerner, also with many relatives who&#039;d rather die than vote Republican, there&#039;s an interesting correlation between the vehemence with which they hate GWB and their racist tendencies. Oh, but call them on the carpet for it and they&#039;d deny it wholeheartedly. One of my most liberal aunts recently talked about my cousin going to buy a house in the burbs of Chicago. At the house next door, a black man was sitting on the porch.  She made my uncle go over and ask if he lived there or was a relative of the owners to &quot;protect&quot; my cousin from any possible problems. &lt;sigh&gt; I was shocked speechless when she told me. Maybe that alone should be an indicator of how deeply ingrained rhetoric can become with Democrats; there&#039;s just not a whole lot of thinking going on. They blindly follow their party, they blindly tolerate rascist views while they blindly tout liberal ones. It&#039;s all such a card game, I wonder when the whole farce will implode.

May I remind everyone that Dr. Condoleeza Rice is a Republican because the Democrat Party in Alabama refused to sign up her father because he was black?&lt;/sigh&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As another white (though more olive than ghostly) southerner, also with many relatives who&#8217;d rather die than vote Republican, there&#8217;s an interesting correlation between the vehemence with which they hate GWB and their racist tendencies. Oh, but call them on the carpet for it and they&#8217;d deny it wholeheartedly. One of my most liberal aunts recently talked about my cousin going to buy a house in the burbs of Chicago. At the house next door, a black man was sitting on the porch.  She made my uncle go over and ask if he lived there or was a relative of the owners to &#8220;protect&#8221; my cousin from any possible problems. <sigh> I was shocked speechless when she told me. Maybe that alone should be an indicator of how deeply ingrained rhetoric can become with Democrats; there&#8217;s just not a whole lot of thinking going on. They blindly follow their party, they blindly tolerate rascist views while they blindly tout liberal ones. It&#8217;s all such a card game, I wonder when the whole farce will implode.</p>
<p>May I remind everyone that Dr. Condoleeza Rice is a Republican because the Democrat Party in Alabama refused to sign up her father because he was black?</sigh></p>
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		<title>By: JohnT</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/08/25/burn-flag/comment-page-1/#comment-2024</link>
		<dc:creator>JohnT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:19:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS- roll your cursor over &quot;I like their style&quot; above for the hyperlink to their site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS- roll your cursor over &#8220;I like their style&#8221; above for the hyperlink to their site.</p>
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		<title>By: JohnT</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/08/25/burn-flag/comment-page-1/#comment-2023</link>
		<dc:creator>JohnT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I know at least some people who are actually having fun with the Confederate battle flag.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.peacerebels.com/&quot;&gt;I like their style.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I know at least some people who are actually having fun with the Confederate battle flag.  <a href="http://www.peacerebels.com/">I like their style.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Woody - Texas</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/08/25/burn-flag/comment-page-1/#comment-2014</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody - Texas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Aug 2004 19:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actus, I think it did start with Nixon, and some of the new Republicans may have been former racist Democrats, but I think ideas about defense played a big role also. Southerners tend to be hawks, and very anti-communist, and I think they figured Nixon would be tougher vs. the U.S.S.R. than the Democrats. Ironic that Nixon ended up normalizing relations with China...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actus, I think it did start with Nixon, and some of the new Republicans may have been former racist Democrats, but I think ideas about defense played a big role also. Southerners tend to be hawks, and very anti-communist, and I think they figured Nixon would be tougher vs. the U.S.S.R. than the Democrats. Ironic that Nixon ended up normalizing relations with China&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Troy</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/08/25/burn-flag/comment-page-1/#comment-2013</link>
		<dc:creator>Troy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Aug 2004 19:22:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RepJ - Thanks for the explanation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RepJ &#8211; Thanks for the explanation.</p>
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		<title>By: actus</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/08/25/burn-flag/comment-page-1/#comment-2010</link>
		<dc:creator>actus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Aug 2004 19:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It wasn’t until the 90s that Republicans started taking over for good in the south, contrary to popular belief. It started with Reagan ‘democrats’, and the tide has turned&quot;

Hell it started with Nixon&#039;s &#039;southern strategy&#039; to welcome the racists fleeing the civil rights dems into the GOP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It wasn’t until the 90s that Republicans started taking over for good in the south, contrary to popular belief. It started with Reagan ‘democrats’, and the tide has turned&#8221;</p>
<p>Hell it started with Nixon&#8217;s &#8217;southern strategy&#8217; to welcome the racists fleeing the civil rights dems into the GOP.</p>
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		<title>By: Woody - Texas</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/08/25/burn-flag/comment-page-1/#comment-2005</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody - Texas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Aug 2004 18:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RepJ, that&#039;s about right, though there may even be some holdout old-style Southern Democrats. I lived in an East Texas county for a while in the early-mid &#039;90s, and it was almost totally run by the Democrats at that point. Not sure if that&#039;s changed. It was also the most racist place I&#039;ve ever been, much different than other parts of Texas I&#039;ve lived in most of my life. West of I-35, people I knew had pretty much switched to Republican by that time. When I was a kid, voting Republican was considered by adults I knew to be almost a kind of treason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RepJ, that&#8217;s about right, though there may even be some holdout old-style Southern Democrats. I lived in an East Texas county for a while in the early-mid &#8217;90s, and it was almost totally run by the Democrats at that point. Not sure if that&#8217;s changed. It was also the most racist place I&#8217;ve ever been, much different than other parts of Texas I&#8217;ve lived in most of my life. West of I-35, people I knew had pretty much switched to Republican by that time. When I was a kid, voting Republican was considered by adults I knew to be almost a kind of treason.</p>
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		<title>By: RepJ</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/08/25/burn-flag/comment-page-1/#comment-1994</link>
		<dc:creator>RepJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Aug 2004 18:08:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Laura,

Those who did not grow up in the south do not seem to understand the new Republican movement here.  It wasn&#039;t until the 90s that Republicans started taking over for good in the south, contrary to popular belief.  It started with Reagan &#039;democrats&#039;, and the tide has turned.  

I think the popular belief is that when LBJ signed civil rights and said &quot;I just handed the Republicans the south&quot;, then the &#039;racist&#039; south suddenly started voting Republican.  Not necessarily true.  The tide didn&#039;t really start to change until Reagan&#039;s conservative values were acknowledged by those in the south as being viable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laura,</p>
<p>Those who did not grow up in the south do not seem to understand the new Republican movement here.  It wasn&#8217;t until the 90s that Republicans started taking over for good in the south, contrary to popular belief.  It started with Reagan &#8216;democrats&#8217;, and the tide has turned.  </p>
<p>I think the popular belief is that when LBJ signed civil rights and said &#8220;I just handed the Republicans the south&#8221;, then the &#8216;racist&#8217; south suddenly started voting Republican.  Not necessarily true.  The tide didn&#8217;t really start to change until Reagan&#8217;s conservative values were acknowledged by those in the south as being viable.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/08/25/burn-flag/comment-page-1/#comment-1985</link>
		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Aug 2004 17:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To answer the question of why my relatives who fly that flag would die before they would vote Republican:

Because they are Democrats.  DEMOCRATS.  D-E-M-O-C-R-A-T-S.  I don&#039;t talk to them about politics.  They start it up, and I leave the room.  (Or porch.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To answer the question of why my relatives who fly that flag would die before they would vote Republican:</p>
<p>Because they are Democrats.  DEMOCRATS.  D-E-M-O-C-R-A-T-S.  I don&#8217;t talk to them about politics.  They start it up, and I leave the room.  (Or porch.)</p>
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		<title>By: Woody - Texas</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/08/25/burn-flag/comment-page-1/#comment-1979</link>
		<dc:creator>Woody - Texas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Aug 2004 15:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RepJ, it was on the beach at Port Aransas, TX, and quite a few years ago. They were set up where everyone could see the flag, which was huge. To me, they were sending out provocative messages, &quot;the war ain&#039;t over,&quot; and &quot;you want to make something of it?&quot; A**holes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RepJ, it was on the beach at Port Aransas, TX, and quite a few years ago. They were set up where everyone could see the flag, which was huge. To me, they were sending out provocative messages, &#8220;the war ain&#8217;t over,&#8221; and &#8220;you want to make something of it?&#8221; A**holes.</p>
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		<title>By: actus</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/08/25/burn-flag/comment-page-1/#comment-1976</link>
		<dc:creator>actus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Aug 2004 14:37:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;What, praytell, does that flag have to do with Republicans?&quot;

I thought dems had turned their backs on it, but republicans had embraced it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What, praytell, does that flag have to do with Republicans?&#8221;</p>
<p>I thought dems had turned their backs on it, but republicans had embraced it.</p>
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