I’m forced off hiatus to throw in my nickel’s worth about the current “crisis” (”nightmare” is the better word) going on in Russia.
I need to post different headshots for different moods because I’m certainly not smiling right now. Today, I am dismayed that the world (or leftist journalists) is not writing about what’s occurring in Russia and that Americans are not expressing outrage. Islamofacist vermin are holding children hostage, and the world slumbers.
Is there no one even blogging about this? Look at this headline: “Russian pupils held in armed siege.” Can you spot what’s wrong with it? The word “pupils” is what’s wrong. These are children being held hostage! Can you imagine what their parents are going through? We all know which criminals are behind this. Radical Muslims!
Calling these scum “rebels” and “separatists” makes me sick! And why no mention of the “hostage takers” being Muslims? Come on, are we supposed to be stupid? Brain-dead? Why won’t the newspapers report the religion of these creeps?
You know why? Because leftists have turned the world upside down, and we’ve let them. You can’t recite a Christian prayer or sing a Christian song in the public sphere anymore, but President Bush has an Imam giving the invocation at his convention. You know, I’m trying to stay calm, but each of the sentences deserves its own exclamation point, but that would make me look like a crazy woman (!).
This is the way the BBC reports it:
Pupils have reportedly been lined up against the windows to prevent an assault by security services, says the BBC’s Moscow correspondent Damian Grammaticas.The siege comes amid heightened security across the country. A suspected suicide bombing in Moscow on Tuesday night killed 10 people, and last week the mid-air explosions of two passenger planes left 89 dead.
Suspicion for these attacks has fallen on Chechen separatists, who have been fighting for independence from Russia for the past decade.
I find at least four things utterly inane about these paragraphs: 1) The dehumanization of the children being held hostage by use of the detached word “pupil”; 2) prevent the assault by security services — Russian law enforcement, defending children, would be an assault on evil Islamofacists?; 3) Chechen separatists; 4) who are fighting for independence????
Where is the world’s outrage? What about conservatives? Are we so focused on George Bush and his convention and Arnold’s speech that we’re unconcerned about this world crisis?
I just can’t get over these deadpanned and downplayed headlines, one right after the other: Contact Made With Hostage-Takers in Russia, UN Security Council Condemns Terrorist Attacks in Russia (disband this useless, communist piece of tripe!), Gunmen take scores hostage at southern Russia school (Gunmen?). And Matt Drudge is headlining wind and rain, for crying out loud.
Do people realize what’s going on? After centuries of fighting their neighbors and cutting off heads in the name of Allah, Muslims have it made in the shade. Not only have they killed thousands of our countrymen on our own soil, but somehow, some way, this country has been hypnotized into bending over backward to be sensitive to Muslims and their “religion of peace.”
Muslims are trying to take over the world, and what’s going on in Chechnya is nothing new or unexpected. The spread of Islam, radical or otherwise, in my opinion, is the most urgent crisis facing all of us. What are we doing about it? Well, we’re currently engaged in a politically correct “war” against a bunch of rag tag misfits. Let’s see what else. We’re bowing and scraping before “peaceful” Muslims in America and being careful not to offend them (although these same Muslims are not speaking out against this scourge!).
I’ve got to go. The nausea is overpowering.
Addendum: Michelle Malkin weighs in.
Addendum II: And another thing: Remember how much coverage that bloody “holy” temple in Najaf got? Wall to wall, back to back, pundit to pundit, reporter to reporter blanket coverage! If an America solider’s bullet had so much as grazed that…and there isn’t similar or more coverage about children being terrorized? I’ve got to go.
Addendum III: All I’ve been hearing about is Zell Miller’s speech, Zell Miller’s speech, Zell Miller’s speech. What a backward people we are.
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I do believe, as you do, that the spread of Islam is the most urgent crisis facing all of us. I suspect that if we can get W. elected again, the tone of this war may change. It may be a politically correct war (or at least spoken of in those terms) now, but presidents have been known to kick it up a notch when they’re in their last four years instead of their first.
Let’s hope he kicks it up. In the meantime, we can rejoice that Kerry spoke so eloquently of waging “a more sensitive war on terrorism,” as if the American military is filled with a bunch of girlie men. I gotta think he lost a few folks with that ridiculous comment…
Katy,
I hope you are right, and Bush does pull out the stops in his second term. Maybe we can offer the Russians a hand of friendship, and drop a smart weapon or two for them… give them some our sattelite and UAV images… and prove that when we say terrorism is a world problem, we mean it.
Stan at Logic & Sanity has been covering this since early yesterday, with lots of updates… I know, the lack of news from our Old Media sucketh greatly.
La Shawn,
I have been furious about the same things since this incident began. I have called our 4 local news departments and told them they need to quite using the terms “Chechnyan rebels”, “Chechnyan seperatists”, etc., and call these people (and I use the term “people” loosely) what they are, which is ISLAMIC TERRORISTS.
Russia has suffered a wave of terrorism in the last few days, with 2 airliners being blown out of the sky by suicide bombers, the subway bombing by another suicide bomber and now this hostage taking of CHILDREN by these maniacs.
Regardless of whether you sympathize with the Chechnyan desire to form their own autonomous state or not, these acts are not acts of rebellion, they are acts of TERROR!
Rather than negotiate with these terrorists, the Russian Government needs to tell them that if they don’t surrender immediately without killing one more person, child or adult, they can forget about a sovereign Chechnyan State because it has suddenly become a large, radioactive, glass parking lot!
Granted, this approach would result in the loss of a lot of innocent lives, but since Islamic terrorists make no distinction between civilians and the military, and even prefer to go after civilians because it’s easier, the Russians should go ahead and play by their rules just once.
I have been furious about the same things since this incident began. I have called our 4 local news departments and told them they need to quite using the terms “Chechnyan rebels”, “Chechnyan seperatists”, etc., and call these people (and I use the term “people” loosely) what they are, which is ISLAMIC TERRORISTS.
Good for you, Montie!
The Russians need to raze that whole region and kick the Muslims out!
wow, LB, way to be a fascist.
on another note…if we think john kerry is inconsistent…take a look at bush having an imam’s convocation at the convention.
and lastly, i think you are right, la shawn. we need to start holding the media accountable.
The Islamo-fascists in Chechnya do not belong there as they are an invading force and have always been an invading force. They are not immigrants as they claim. They are Islamic terrorists and the media is afraid to admit it. I had to hear it from a Ukranian friend of mine and I was surprised to learn about it. Russia is under full assault from the Islamo-fasicsts and I don’t think that Putin will be giving in any time soon. What kind of people hold children hostage and use them as human shields?
Well said, all of you. There are good muslims. Those in russia are not among them. The inhuman attacks on innocent children is despicable and I too want them labeled as Islamofacist terrrorists. I feel we must be aware of the muslims in our nation and do not care if we are politically incorrect. That said, I do feel we need to reach out to those muslims who do not hold the same views as the terrorist thugs. President Bush is the leader of this entire county which includes muslims. As a Christian, I do accept others beliefs but will not accept radicals of any ilk.
Remember, folks, that Chechnya has been Muslim for AT LEAST 1200 years (if not longer). They tried to claim independence as part of Dagestan after the Russian Revolution, only to be forcibly reincorporated into the Soviet Union 1n the 1920s, followed by Stalinist persecution. Russia simply refuses to let go while the people seek their self-determination. What we are seing is more of a nationalistic struggle than a religious one — except to the degree that the religious policies of the Russians going back to czarist times was to repress the Muslim community, thereby tinging the whole dispute with a religious patina. It is therefore quite fair to say that the Russians DID create this mess (unlike the US and Israeli experience with al-Qaeda).
Which is not to justify the methods currently in use by the Chechyn insurgents (the most neutral term out there for analysis), for they are terror tactics — tactics ironically taught and sponsored by the Russians for decades in various parts of the world. These tactics are morally wrong by any standard, and rightfully condemned. But that does not make the Chechyns “Islamo-Fascists” for seeking their independence from those they consider to be foreign occupiers.
TPC – You don’t really believe that Muslims in the region will settle down if Russia grants them independence, do you?
No, what makes them Islamofascists is their form of government: specifically, an Islamic theocratic state with Fascist underpinnings. That it dresses up in a democratic costume doesn’t change the nature of its government; Chechnya’s elections have been about as valid and fair as Saddam-era Iraq’s and Venezuela’s.
What’s even more sickening than the lack of coverage to this story in Russia is the amount of attention paid to the dismissal of charges against Kobe Bryant. Glad to know an overpaid, morally challenged athlete is walking free … while hundreds of children are used as human shields by Islamofascists – with scant attention paid to the plight of the hostages.
The religion of peace strikes again.
Maybe we should hold that ugly rock in Mecca hostage. For every child harmed in this attack, we will drop one bomb on the Kaaba stone.
Maybe we should release pigs into the school. The pigs won’t harm the children, but the same superstition (I won’t dignify Islam by calling it a religion) that causes them to attack children will disrupt their attack as they flee the pigs.
This is Russia’s 9-11. It is playing out over several weeks and numerous attacks instead of all in one morning.
If the Republicans were smart, they would use the convention to focus on this attack so as to remind the voters how it could happen again here. If voters remain focused on the terror war, Bush wins. If they lose that focus, the Republicans are in trouble. Read Dick Morris’ latest column.
You are correct, this is Russia’s 9-11. Maybe they will get behind us in the war a little more now.
Let’s spread the word. E-mail this link to your friends and let’s generate some buzz.
ThePrecinctChair,
Yeah, and about 140 years ago, the United States forcibly re-incorporated several states who wanted to form an autonomous government. The fact remains that the Russians considers Chechnya to be part of Russia.
If all the Muslims in the US were to move to one of our less populous states, achieve a population majority, and demand autonomy, should it be granted? If they then decided to break away from the US on their own, should we, as before, bring them back into the Union against their will by force of arms?
That is different, Montie. Muslims are always fighting someone over some alleged greivance or other. If you look at a map, you will see that everywhere that the muslim world meets the civilized world, there is war: Balkans, Chechnya, India, Israel, Sudan. These wars will not end until either (1) the rest of us are worshiping in mosques or (2) the moslems learn that “Allah” has not preordained their victory.
Right on, LB. (long time lurker, first time poster).
Charles at LGF has a list of all the different names the Islamic terrorists are give by the MSM, basically called anything except terrorist, identified as anything except Muslim.
It’s getting short shrift and I don’t understand why, and I don’t buy the fatigue excuse, either. I remember wall to wall coverage in the US media of the Dunblane massacre in Britain, so I can’t even see the “it’s over there” excuse flying, either.
Jamie
ps: my pastor will be conducting the evening prayer at the RNC. I hope he includes the children in Russia when he does, maybe it will jolt some people to their senses.
“Make no mistake. The media keeps calling these people Chechen rebels. These are Islamic fundamentalists, Islamofascist terrorists, in Chechnya, and that’s who’s wreaking havoc on Russia.” Rush Limbaugh
Not all in the media ignore this disgusting display by TERRORISTS.
Recommendation: Go get the DVD “From Hate To Love” and watch it.
http://www.shoebat.com/news.html
See Logic and Sanity blog, where Stan is continually monitoring and translating the Russian newswires on the hostage situation.
http://www.logicandsanity.com/archives/2004/09/school_seized_i.html#more
It’s a shame that the top stories on ABC news this morning were Zell’s speech and the dismissal of the Kobe case. Meanwhile, hundreds of children are held at gunpoint by Muslim (excuse me, “Chechen”) madmen (excuse me again, “militants”, or “separatists” or whatever). These are the SAME PEOPLE who attacked us on 9/11, and it is all but ignored by the media. Where are the bold conservatives to speak up about this at the convention–or are they afraid of “scaring off” some potential voters?
Just saw a few posts on LGF,
The media’s tactic of calling them ABM, is working, there are people who don’t know what terrorists are. It’s sickening, this determination to make sure that the public is kept in the dark. What would it take to wake them up?
Maybe we shouldn’t have fought on Al Qaeda’s side in Kosovo during the Clinton years. Ya think?
Carmen,
Actually I agree with you. I was only making a point to TPC that Why should Russia be forced to give up territory that they consider to be theirs, simply because a religious minority demand self-rule at the point of a gun?
I heard on Fox News last night that Bush has offered Russia whatever assistance they need in taking care of this situation. Sorry, I couldn’t think of any better words to describe it without being too coarse.
Actually, the fight to forcibly retain those “breakaway states” was a violation of the Constitution and the principles espoused in the Declaration of Independence — as would be any attempt to prevent a future hypothetical Muslim majority state from leaving the Union.
My comment about the length of time that Islam had been the dominant religion in Chechnya relates back to Rep J’s post that the Muslims were invaders who didn’t belong there — a statement that can be sustained only if one also affirms that the Navajo, Pueblo, Hopi, and Apache are invaders who have no legitimate place in the American Southwest.
And in light of the seven decades that passed before the people of the Eastern Bloc could obtain their freedom from Communist/Russian oppression, could you tell me the time limit after which the national ambitions of a are null and void? After how long does the soul of a people yearning for freedom cease to carry with it a moral imperative?
Or is it that among all the peoples of the world, the blessings of liberty do not apply to the followers of Mohammad.
The tactics these folks are using are frightfully wrong — but I cannot help but believe that their cause is right when one examines it in light of the principles of Jefferson and the other founders.
Yeah, you’re absolutely right. Jefferson and the other founders would have totally supported a theocratic government that oppresses its people at every turn. I find it incomprehensible that anyone could possibly think otherwise. 9_9
Precinctchair
“Or is it that among all the peoples of the world, the blessings of liberty do not apply to the followers of Mohammad.”
Bingo
Islam has no legitimate place in the world. It obtained its hold over its captives by force. It converted its subjects by means of unequal taxation, destruction of churches, forced slavery, forced emigration, persecution. . .
It holds its subjects and expands its realm by force. No amount of time establishes Islam as a rightful occupier. Islam is not a religion, it is a political movement disguised as a religion.
Our founders did not hold children ransom to gain independence. They fought a war against their oppressors on a battle field like real men. History tells us that battles were fought, lost and won by both sides. Certain tactics were used (Boston Tea Party), and demands were made, yet no record of innocent children being killed or held hostage on our part in order to gain independance. Not that if it had occurred it would cause the incident in Russia to be justified.
Demanding freedom by ransom is cowardice, period! Especially at the sacrifice of children! I couldn’t imagine how the parents are feeling. I know that I would want to go charging in, guns blazing, cutting down any so called separatist until I found my boys and got them out of there!
Montie
I figured you agreed with me. I was only trying to make the point that those who tried to break away from this country 140 years ago had a better claim to do so than whatever claim the muslims make in this war. The muslims really don’t want to break away at all. They want conquest. Once they throw off the Russian government, they will continue to make inroads into the rest of Russia and the former Soviet Republics. This is not an issue of “separatism” as the lame stream media would have us believe. The Chechnyan’s war is Al Qaeda’s war and Arafat’s war. They are different fronts on the same war.
Carmen
TPC,
The nokhchii have only been Sunni Muslims since the 1700s, not the 800s. In the 800s, they were part of the Alan. Sunni Islam didn’t appear until the mid 8th century, and at that time the islamic world was still south of Chechniya and Dagestan.
Now, Islam first appeared in the 7th century (Muhammad’s accepted birth date is 570) and began it’s great spread after the prophets death in 632.
Kelly,
Look up and define facist sometime. And how is having an Iman at invocation inconsistent for Bush, unless you believe he is waging a war against the religion of Islam?
Jerry:
The other difference between our own founders and the Chechnyans is that we did not seek the ultimate conquest of England. We sought only liberation. The Chechnyans and the other muslims will not be satisfied with separatism. They will continue the fight until Russia is a muslim nation.
Carmen
SCSIwuzzy
“And how is having an Iman at invocation inconsistent for Bush, unless you believe he is waging a war against the religion of Islam?”
He should be, because they are waging war against us.
TPC,
Ask the Navajo/Apache question to the Zuni and other pueblos.
They remember when the Navajo and Apache came into their lands from what is now Canada… in fact, to the Zuni and other pueblo peoples, Apachu (where we get the word, Apache from [they call themselves Tinneh or Dinni, the People]), means enemy. The apache and navajo established dominance in the area, displacing the pueblo peoples, in the 1500s. A mere century later, the Spanish showed up in the same area…
Milo,
But we aren’t. I’ll leave it at that.
La Shawn,
If you didn’t get the chance to actually watch Zell Miller’s speech on TV last night, you should at least check out the transcript. It was tough and hard hitting, but honest and fair at the same time. It quite literally gave me chills listening to it. People need to understand just how wrong for America John Kerry is.
Tom – I just watched the video. It was quite powerful. But he was preaching to the choir. Liberals hate him and Bush even more, and they’ll still vote for John Kerry. Nothing changes. Islamic terrorists across the globe will continue fighting and killing their neighbors.
Islam has no legitimate place in the world. It obtained its hold over its captives by force. It converted its subjects by means of unequal taxation, destruction of churches, forced slavery, forced emigration, persecution. . .
Maybe you should look at the history of the spread of Christianity after the time of Constantine before you argue that any religion spread by such means has no right to exist. . .
milo, your post sums up in a brief form all the reasons why this lifelong conservative Republican Christian will NEVER concede his party to the neocons.
I work with a Muslim from the ME; his parents and some of his sibs are still there. Actually, I’m his supervisor, which could be problematic since I’m a woman, but it doesn’t seem to be. He spoke to me recently about his struggles to buy a house without entering into an agreement to pay interest, which he says is against his religion. What he wants to do is legal but looks fishy from a no-interest point of view, but, “God knows my heart,” he said. We spoke briefly about how to discern what God wants and whether and how He deals with us when we go against His will. I’m saying this to say that it’s so simplistic as to be utterly untrue that Islam is not a religion. I think the terrorism we see is a result of a subset of ME culture that’s using the dominant religion of the area to rationalize these acts of hate. God knows we’ve seen that before. Evil people do what they want to do and they use religion, nationalism, or anything else they can find, to try to justify it and get like-minded people on board. That doesn’t mean it’s bad to have that religion or be a patriot.
Laura:
I sympathize with that person’s situation and respect his devotion. I am not against individuals. But there is much more to Islam that lends itself to violence, war and conquest. Muhommed taught fatalism, for example. He wanted his followers to believe that their fate was preordained so that they would not be afraid to die in battle. He created Islam as a tool to achieve his immediate political and military goals. Islam will not rest until we are all muslims.
Precinct Chair:
By the time of Constantine, Christianity had survived centuries of persecution and had spread around the known world by means of simple evangelism. The spread of Christianity is marked by evangelists and missionaries who were often martyred and murdered for their attempt to spread the word.
I am not sure if this is what you were implying, but I am not a neocon. I don’t want to surrender the party to them either.
My next door neighbors are Muslims, and the wife is a very dear friend of mine. She was the first person I called on 9-11 when it became obvious we were under attack and she was totally hysterical. She will be voting for John Kerry because she doesn’t want war with these people; she is scared out of her mind. She’s from Palestine and she has experienced firsthand what these insane people can do. I think she is beyond all rationalism in this, and believes we can’t win against the Islamofascists.
I think before we start championing the Muslim religion, we need to understand that it is not a religion, it is a whole way of life. My neighbors hold no views separate from their religion; when I asked her about teen pregnancy, her response was basically it does not happen. I tried talking with her about not blaming the child; she continued with “it does not happen.” I hate what her religion has done to her. She’s an intelligent, lovely woman who basically lives each day in fear of offending Allah by not following the teachings of her religion.
I suggest we look into the religion to understand this mindset. Those who do will probably find that the religion is not one of peace. The Koran specifically states that those who are not Muslim should be beheaded. After you read through some of these portions of the Koran, you will understand the Chechnyans better, and why civil disobedience in the form of a sit-in would not appeal to them.
Last bit, and then I’m done. We were in Russia last summer, and came home with many impressions of this former Communist country. The most prominent impression we had was that the government is completely not in control. I see the Chechnyan attacks as like shooting fish in a pond; they are without defenses against terrorists. They no longer have any centralized government procedures to deal with problems such as this, and are basically without a clue. I don’t know what’s going to happen over there, but I pray for those people. It’s very scary.
I dont see the need for this angry attack against Islam to be honest. Im sure many moderate Muslims condemn this, but is that really the point? The Islamic Fundamentalists arnt one big huge force trying to ‘take over the world.’ Chechnya is a very specfic situation, which is more to do with seperatism than religion. Throughout the past 150 years or so, Russia has kept an iron grip on the area. You only have to look at pictures of Grozny, the Chechnyian capital. Its virtually levelled to the ground.
Condemn this act of course, but i dont understand your condemnation of moderate Muslims.
Omar,
I’ll agree that the Islamic-Fundies aren’t one big force bent on world domination. They are a small, growing force, bent on world domination. And they will take any risk, commit any crime/attrocity, because in their twisted mindset, the end justifies any means.
As for the moderate muslims… when moderate muslims stand up to the fundies, and denounce them, it will be alot easier for others to support them. While I understand there is a great undercurrent in islam to stand together against the infidels, there comes a time to decide when someone goes too far, and has become an infidel themselves. How long before that happens? And to be honest, my bet is that unless the moderates wake up and take action soon, it will the fundies who brand the rest of islam as infidels and traitors, and put them to the sword along with the non-believers.
That or the non-believers will wipe them out, and anyone who aids and shelters them.
That is what scares me the most about this. This all has the potential to make the Crusades and Spanish Inquisition look like tea parties.
For now, I see the ball is in islams court, and I pray they take action and responsibility before the fundies escalate things, or before the fundies outnumber the rest of islam.
And before any nuclear weapons turn any cities into irradiated wastelands. And if the first city to fall that way is western, I fear that large parts of the islamic world would become fused glass shortly afterwards. And what chain of events that would trigger, I sweat to think of it.
‘As for the moderate muslims… when moderate muslims stand up to the fundies, and denounce them, ‘
Check out this site.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/reac_ter16.htm
It contains condemnations from many prominent Muslims.
‘For now, I see the ball is in islams court, and I pray they take action and responsibility ‘
I disagree. Islam, as a religion should not be held accountable for every extremist fundamentalist. Just like Christianity should not be held responsible for atrocities by the Nazi’s and the KKK.
‘And what chain of events that would trigger, I sweat to think of it. ‘
Me too.
Omar, I disagree.
Basayeav is a Chechen and a Wahabbi. Wahabbism is not the brand of Islam that Chechen traditionally practice, it began evident in Chechnya in the early 90’s. Russia has been accusing Arab sheikhs of funding the jihad in Chechnya for years. Basayev’s right hand man – Hattab – was a Jordanian, etc.
When Hattab was asked how he felt about many Chechens resenting his presence on their land, he said that he didn’t care what they thought, because Allah wanted him there.
I’ve been ‘out of it’ for the last 72 hours but these Chechen psychos have now earned a place on my ‘I Don’t Give A Flying F**k About Any Longer’ list.
Taking kids hostage?
I wouldn’t be surprised if Russia gets medievil on Chechnya from now on.
(Sorry for the language, but sometimes an F-bomb is deserved for some subjects…)
Do you really think that Timothy McVeigh committed a less greivious crime than these Chechan rebels? He was a Christian, you know. How about the 11,000 innocent Iraqi civilians (that number is just civilians, not terrorists or combatants of any kind) that we’ve killed so far? What about when we (Christians) started this whole struggle by slaughtering thousands upon thousands of innocent Muslims, Jews, and Eastern Christians during the Crusades? Were all those actions justified because we’re Christian? Jesus said, “Why do you see the speck in your neighbor’s eye, but do not notice the log in your own eye?” (Mt 7:3)
Besides, don’t you understand that every person that we kill has children and friends and family? When we kill someone’s father, mother, spouse, friend, beloved… do you think we gain or lose enemies? Are our bombs more righteous because we can afford more expensive delivery systems than they can?
From CNN article on the twelve Nepalis killed:
“Jaish Ansar al-Sunna, which claimed August 23 to have kidnapped the 12 Nepalis, said they were killed ‘for their cooperation with the United States in fighting Islam and its people.’”
As long as Islam is viewed through a fundamentalist window; where Muslim heros are Mohammad, Saladin and Saddam, this explosion in terror will not go away. In other words, as long as Islam exists.
‘I wouldn’t be surprised if Russia gets medievil on Chechnya from now on.’
Heh….Russia has always been medievil on Chechnya. Putin is an ex KGB guy, he doesnt take terrorism lying down.
‘Mohammad, Saladin and Saddam’
These men have nothing to do with each other. Saddam was barely even a practising Muslim.
‘In other words, as long as Islam exists. ‘
Scare mongering. Contrary to popular beliefs, most Muslims certainly arnt extreme fundamentalists.
Timothy McVeigh was a Christian? Can you back that up? I doubt it sincerely. I’d also like to see some documentation of your 11,000 dead Iraqis.
The Moorish conquest of Spain began in the 8th century. The Crusades began in the 11th century.
Apart from maintaining the no-fly zone, which was all that stood between the Kurds and Hussein’s final solution, we weren’t doing much of anything in the ME before 9/11/2001. If bin Ladin had known then what he knows now ….
Russia is going to have to do what it has to do, which should frighten us all. Nationalism is one thing but terror like this to bring it about should bring about the wrath of the world…but won’t. No countries will interfere in Russia’s problem nor should they. It will all play out while we watch with increasing apprehension.
Michael Weiner (Savage to you), the former used car salesman and racist bigot from NY and Philly who left his wife and kids to become an SF hippy and hang out with Alan Ginsberg is responding to the school crisis in an unusual way. To honor the Russian people for standing up to the terrorists he is playing their national anthem…from the Soviet days. Am I missing something? He seems to be calling for all-out war on Muslims everywhere, saying incredously vile things about the religion and its practitioners. The fact that he is Jewish isn’t helping anything. I doubt that he’s really sincere but he has a good schtick that’s helping him make money off you conservatives.
Stan in San Diego
Whoa! Them’s harsh words you just uttered about Savage, Stan. Got any proof from a reputable source?
Stan – Apart from your first paragraph making no sense at all, your rant about Savage wasn’t funny, scary or interesting.
I was a little put off by the playing of the anthem as well and Savage, though sometimes edgy and sometimes funny, is frequently over the top, occasionally naive, and often self-absorbed.
His “schtick” however, doesn’t lessen the evil of intentionally making war on children and the failure of Islamic leaders to harshly condemn the act. Savage is absolutely right about CAIR’s duplicitous and meaningless statements and the media’s unwillingness to acknowledge clear moral distinctions.
On the bright side though, Fox’s Dana Lewis reporting via phone from Beslan this morning caught himself saying “Chechen rebels” and changed it to “Chechen terrorists”. A step in the right direction.
Responding to David’s post of 5:41 PM – a case study of leftist delusions.
1. Timothy McVeigh was an atheist. He was raised in a nominally Christian home, but renounced any belief before his tenure in the army. This is a common lie circulated among leftists to discredit Christians, or anyone who dares to criticize their utopian plans or their allies who practice the “religion of peace,”
2. 11,000 innocent Iraqis killed. Where does this fantasy figure come from? Even if the number is accurate, who killed them?
US forces? Islamic jihadis? Baathist Party holdovers? Did they die of starvation thanks to Kofi Annan’s “Oil for Food” scam (it was actually oil for weapons, with kickbacks to Kofi and his pals)? Oh, and how about mentioning all of those stuffed into mass graves at the hands of your hero Saddam? Or the hundreds of thousands of Iraqi children who perished because of sanctions (the oil for guns programs described above)? Your argument is laughable.
3. Christians stated the war in the Crusades? A complete ignorance of history. Mohammed started his cult in the early 600s in Arabia. After slaughtering all the Jews in Medina (636), he and his followers waged a war of conquest that took over an area stretching from Persia in the East to Spain in the West, marked by the trademark forced conversions and beheadings of the conquered populace at the hands of the religion of peace – along with the state of dhimmitude (semi-slavery) for the Jews and Christians who were too numerous to slaughter in the conquered areas – and provided necessary tribute. The “religion of peace” has demonstrated its love through violence, murder, and slavery ever since, though there have been a few exceptions – in Persia, India, and Central Asia for the most part – where those who adopted it have elected to ignore its horrible jihadist aspect.
However, David, even the Muslims pale in comparison to the sheer slaughter at the hands of utopian leftists such as yourself. Since 1918, your idols in the Soviet Union, Nazi Germany (yes it’s actually a form of leftist utopianism – despite what the NY Times says), Communist China, Cambodia, Vietnam and other assorted hellholes have managed to slaugher some 150 million – not counting abortion, which is the holiest ritual in the state religion of feminists everywhere.
Check out R.J. Rummel’s “Death by Government” site. He pulls no punches. While it’s true that there are a few rightist, authoritarian regimes who’ve resorted to murder and such, they are rank amateurs. As mentioned, the “religion of peace” has very bloody hands to boot. However, leftist regimes have everyone else beat by far. Of course, in the immortal words of the NY Times’ Pulitzer Prize-winning “journalist” Walter Duranty describing “Uncle Joe” Stalin’s efforts at creating the “New Soviet Man” – You have to break a few eggs to make an omlet.
‘2. 11,000 innocent Iraqis killed. Where does this fantasy figure come from? Even if the number is accurate, who killed them?’
I think you are the deluded one. These deaths are the direct result of intervention from the US and the coalition.
http://www.iraqbodycount.net/
Min – 11793
Max – 13802
‘Christians stated the war in the Crusades? A complete ignorance of history. Mohammed started his cult….’
Cult? Hmmm….nice definition.
‘dhimmitude (semi-slavery) for the Jews and Christians’
You clearly know nothing about Islam, or indeed the concept of dhimmitude.
Expansion was the done thing at this time. You conviniently ignore Christian expansion, such as Byzantium, the Holy Roman Empire, etc…..Not to mention the later Christian colonialism….note Latin America, North America, and Africa. In your anti Muslim rhetoric, you also FAIL to recongise the largest slave trading nations, Portugal, Great Britain, and later the United States. Which religions did these countries belong to? When was slavery finally abolished in the US? Talk about hypocrisy.
The Crusades were just as immoral as acts committed by Muslims. Chrsitian pilgramages into Muslim controlled Jerusalem were allowed, and infact very popular. The Crusades are also something you dont seem to know a lot about. The primary goal was to invade Jerusalem, and wrest it from Muslim hands. The secondary goal was to kill as many non Christians as possible, both Jew and Muslim. The Crusaders slaughtered 10,000’s of both these religions.
‘Since 1918, your idols in the Soviet Union’
Comrade Lenin infact ended bloodshed and oppression. It was only later, when the Totaltarian Stalin got into power that things on a humane front became low. Even so, deaths in Communist Russia are hugely exaggerated.
‘Nazi Germany ‘
Another area you know little about, despite whatever your ’sources’ tell you. Nazi Germany was a right wing nationalist regime. Hitler despised Communism, and Nazi Germany itself was a self contained capitalist state. Its well established Nazi Germany was not leftist in the slightest.
‘ Vietnam ‘
And we all know death there was due to imperialist intervention….
‘Check out R.J. Rummel’s “Death by Government” site. He pulls no punches. While it’s true that there are a few rightist, authoritarian regimes ‘
Way to play it down eh? Mussolini, Hitler, Franco, Pinochet, Diem…….just to name a few murdering right wing regimes. Its a two way thing here.
LaShawn, it absolutely scares me what happened in Russia. It scares me that it could happen here and I pray that it doesn’t. I heard that a car was stopped at a light and an Arab looking man asked the driver if he knew what jihad was and if he didn’t he would find out soon. I was driving behind the Wilson bridge behind a very slow moving SUV, had to pass him, my God, what if he was planning to blow up everyone behind him. Paranoia or possibilities? Don’t know. I’m somewhere between a liberal and a conservative, I have to weigh everything. I started a weblog, but haven’t posted because it doesn’t seem anyone is reading it. Any ideas?
Omar demonstates his talent for pure propaganda. Evidently you are an Islamofascist yourself or one of their numerous Marxist sympathizers and apologists.
The “Iraq Body Count” is nothing short of a propaganda site where a deaths from disparate couases are all added up and blamed upon the United States. These range from those killed through the actions of criminals (most of whom were released by Omar’s hero Saddam prior to the invasion), those who died as a result of mortar rounds, RPGs, and bullets fired at American tragets by Baathist gangs, jihadis, etc, in addition to those which came about from US bombs missing their tagets, etc. In short, under such a system of reckoning, Saddam, the Baathists, the Islamofascists and criminals are responsible for zero civilian deaths while the US are responsible for all.
Next Omar gives us the officially approved version of Islamic history from the Wahabi office of propaganda, especially reminding us of how “tolerant” Muslims are towards other religions. Sorry, Omar, Bat Yeor actually grew up living as a Jewish woman under one of the more “moderate” Islamic societies in Egypt. Her story and subsequent research proves that Dhimmitude is simply a form of semi-slavery where the Dhimmis have no rights, are subjected to ciminal acts for whch there is no recourse, and are forced to pay tribute for the joys of their continued existence under the system. Tell me, Omar, how many churches are there in Saudi Arabia? There are mosques all over the west, many of which are funded by the Saudis. If Islamic societies are such paragons of tolerance as you state, why is it that the vast majority of Jews and Christians are fleeing as fast as they can? The Western Roman Empire fell before Mohammed was even born, and its Eastern half, later called Byzantium merely resisted Muslim expansion – which Omar refers to as “conquest.” The Holy Roman Empire wasn’t really much of anything but a loose confederation.
Omar then goes on to recite the standard leftist history of slavery and colonialism, carefully omitting the fact that Muslim slavery far exceded anything practiced by even the worst of the European colonial powers – Portugal and Spain – who purchased the vast majority of their slaves from Muslim traders in the first place. He also conveniently ignores the fact that the only movement to end the near-universal practice of slavery arose in the Christian nations of Britain (abolished 1830), America (1865), and to a lesser degree, France (mid-19th century). As David Horowitz has pointed out: Slavery was effectively ended through the actions of Union bluecoats, British gunboats, and French bureaucrats. It certainly wasn’t ended Muslims, who continue the practice in the Sudan and other locales to this very day.
Comrade Lenin, along with Comrade Trotsky, managed to execute a couple of million “enemies of the state” through their minions in the Cheka. Even Comrade Omar can’t bring himself to completely hide the 40 million bodies of those liquidated by Comrade Stalin’s NKVD. Omar’s various comrades in Communist regimes wordwide have have eliminated some 120 million “enemies of the state” since their reign of terror commenced in 1918.
And just for the record, Conrade Omar, both Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussonlini were orginally faithful comrades of yours early in their careers following the first world war. They soon realized that the proletarian revolution would not likely work in the more properous nations of the west. So Hitler formed the National Socialist Democratic Workers Party, also known as the Nazis, who’ve been labeled as “rightists” by Marxists like Omar. Likewise, the Fascists were practicioners of socialism’s “third way”, whereby enterpises would be co-opted by the totalitarian state to bring about utopia, instead of being siezed directly as in Omar’s lost paradise, the Soviet Union. The only regime in Europe one could honestly characterize as right wing would be Franco’s Phalangist/Royalist regime in Spain.
Omar, your Wahabi friends have shown the world their true natures in Beslan, Russia. I note with interest the deafening cacaphony of condemnation from the various Imams, Muftis, Ayatollahs, and Mullahs for those who gleefully shoot fleeing children in the back with fully-automatic weapons. We have nothing more to discuss.
Shame on the world? Israel has been the world’s miner’s canary for decades and it is the dhimmi EUropean appeasers (and their idiotarian fans here in the US) of Islam that are causing these problems.
If a Muslim happens to be a decent sort… it isn’t the Islam that did it. It’s despite the Islam.
If my Jewish neighbors were mutilating their daughters, strapping bombs to themselves and their kids to bomb churches and preaching the downfall of the US and of all people who don’t keep kosher, I’d kill them to prevent the desecration of the name of my faith.
1.5B Muslims. Name one with the courage to fight and kill the monsters among them?
When blood means more than truth, that leads to evil.
When Ted Kazcynski’s brother turned him in, that was a great moral good.
America’s great evil of slavery began its purge and its present complete absence with a bloody Civil War.
Until Islam has a similar civil war, it cannot be assumed to be compatible with contemporary civilization. You do NOT get to bury your head in the sand and deny responsibility.
‘Omar demonstates his talent for pure propaganda. Evidently you are an Islamofascist yourself or one of their numerous Marxist sympathizers and apologists.’
How hilarious. Ignoring the fact religion and Marxism are mutually exclusive….you are using propaganda by associating people who disagree with you as the common enemy.
‘The “Iraq Body Count” is nothing short of a propaganda site where a deaths from disparate couases are all added up and blamed upon the United States. ‘
The death toll is calculated using official sources. How typical that you just dismiss the source as you have no argument against it. Read into how the deaths are calculated from the site.
‘Next Omar gives us the officially approved version of Islamic history from the Wahabi office of propaganda, especially reminding us of how “tolerant” Muslims are towards other religions.’
I was raised a Muslim, were you? If not, just be quiet. You have little right to question my knowledge, and even less right to say Islam isnt tolerant, when i can say first hand that it is.
‘Sorry, Omar, Bat Yeor actually grew up living as a Jewish woman under one of the more “moderate” Islamic societies in Egypt. Her story and subsequent research proves that Dhimmitude ‘
As i said, you lack understanding of the concept of Dhimmitude. Dhimmitude is now obsolete…..it was a system when non Muslims could live in Muslim lands, and be officially protected. They paid a special tax and tribute for this. Albeit by modern standards this is equivalent to second class citizenship, but maybe you should look at how Christians treated non Christians in their countries during this time period. Jews included. Nothing like Dhimmitude existed. They were simply persecuted ruthlessly, even those Christians who disagreed with the Pope. You have no right to stand on a high horse, and condemn events from hundreds of years ago.
‘Tell me, Omar, how many churches are there in Saudi Arabia? ‘
I condemn Saudi Arabia. I am defending Islam as a religion here, not supposedly Muslim countries. Pay attention.
‘Omar then goes on to recite the standard leftist history of slavery and colonialism, carefully omitting the fact that Muslim slavery far exceded anything practiced by even the worst of the European colonial powers – Portugal and Spain – who purchased the vast majority of their slaves from Muslim traders in the first place. ‘
Do you always dismiss facts? This is garbage. You cant even recognise Christian countries were the main offenders when it came to the slave trade. I’ll try and dig up some statistics for you, but Portugal, Spain, Great Britain, and the US dealt with the largest number of slaves, from a raw numerical point. Leftist propaganda? Sure.
‘Comrade Lenin, along with Comrade Trotsky, managed to execute a couple of million “enemies of the state” through their minions in the Cheka.’
Incase you werent aware, there was a CIVIL WAR going on in the early Soviet Union. A war spurred on by the Western Imperalist nations. 2 million? I have no clue where you pulled this figure from.
‘Even Comrade Omar can’t bring himself to completely hide the 40 million bodies of those liquidated by Comrade Stalin’s NKVD. ‘
When did i defend Stalin?
‘Omar’s various comrades in Communist regimes wordwide have have eliminated some 120 million “enemies of the state” since their reign of terror commenced in 1918.’
Carolus clearly hasnt forgotten the cold war propaganda spouted by McCarthy and co.
‘And just for the record, Conrade Omar, both Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussonlini were orginally faithful comrades of yours early in their careers following the first world war. ‘
Comrade Omar. I like it! Adolf Hitler was NEVER a left winger. Mussolini was a Marxist in his youth, but quickly abandoned this. You dont have to take my word for the Nazi’s right wing system. This is hardly propaganda. Its an established fact. Both Germany and Italy were not Socialist. They were both autocratic capitalist Nationalist states. I’ll dig up a political scale for you, since you dont seem to have a clue what defines ‘right’ and ‘left’ wing.
‘Omar. Likewise, the Fascists were practicioners of socialism’s “third way”, whereby enterpises would be co-opted by the totalitarian state ‘
Incorrect. In Socialism, industry must be nationalised. This failed to happen in Fascist countries. Industry remained privately owned. Self contained CAPITALISM.
‘We have nothing more to discuss. ‘
Translation – I am a coward. Your argument was laughable, so now you run away….
This proves the ridiculous notion that Hitler was left wing wrong.
‘Economically, Hitler was well to the right of Stalin. Post-war investigations led to a number of revelations about the cosy relationship between German corporations and the Reich. No such scandals subsequently surfaced in Russia, because Stalin had totally squashed the private sector. By contrast, once in power, the Nazis achieved rearmament through deficit spending. One of our respondents has correctly pointed out that they actively discouraged demand increases because they wanted infrastructure investment. Under the Reich, corporations were largely left to govern themselves, with the incentive that if they kept prices under control, they would be rewarded with government contracts. Hardly a socialist economic agenda.’
Heres a quote from Il Duce himself – ‘Fascism should more appropriately be called corporatism, as it is a merge of state and corporate power. ‘
Left wing? I think not!
For your benefit – here is a link to a political compass. The position of Hitler, and indeed Fascism is clearly indicated. Better luck next time in your spread of misinformation.
http://www.digitalronin.f2s.com/politicalcompass/analysis2.html
So where are all the moderate Muslims? They haven’t exactly been all over TV denouning this madness. I have heard one Muslim religious leader say this hostage crisis was all a Jewish plot. How do we even begin thinking about talking to people like this? Are they crazy, in an institutional sense? Is their view of reality so bizarre that whenever one of their own does something horrible they blame the Jews? And how about all the anti-semitism in the Democratic Party that no one wants to talk about? Man, what’s going on?
Wow!
What a great post! I made a similar rant on Islam a few days ago on my blog, but you are far more eloquent than I.
Thanks,
Rand
The “moderate” Muslims are scared, plain and simple. The ones here in our country that we see as spokespeople came to the US to escape the Islamofascists; how terrifying it must be for them to know they are being followed.
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