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What a great post! I made a similar rant on Islam a few days ago on my blog, but you are far more eloquent than I.

Thanks,

Rand

‘Economically, Hitler was well to the right of Stalin. Post-war investigations led to a number of revelations about the cosy relationship between German corporations and the Reich. No such scandals subsequently surfaced in Russia, because Stalin had totally squashed the private sector. By contrast, once in power, the Nazis achieved rearmament through deficit spending. One of our respondents has correctly pointed out that they actively discouraged demand increases because they wanted infrastructure investment. Under the Reich, corporations were largely left to govern themselves, with the incentive that if they kept prices under control, they would be rewarded with government contracts. Hardly a socialist economic agenda.’

Heres a quote from Il Duce himself – ‘Fascism should more appropriately be called corporatism, as it is a merge of state and corporate power. ‘

Left wing? I think not!

For your benefit – here is a link to a political compass. The position of Hitler, and indeed Fascism is clearly indicated. Better luck next time in your spread of misinformation.

http://www.digitalronin.f2s.com/politicalcompass/analysis2.html

How hilarious. Ignoring the fact religion and Marxism are mutually exclusive….you are using propaganda by associating people who disagree with you as the common enemy.

‘The “Iraq Body Count” is nothing short of a propaganda site where a deaths from disparate couases are all added up and blamed upon the United States. ‘

The death toll is calculated using official sources. How typical that you just dismiss the source as you have no argument against it. Read into how the deaths are calculated from the site.

‘Next Omar gives us the officially approved version of Islamic history from the Wahabi office of propaganda, especially reminding us of how “tolerant” Muslims are towards other religions.’

I was raised a Muslim, were you? If not, just be quiet. You have little right to question my knowledge, and even less right to say Islam isnt tolerant, when i can say first hand that it is.

‘Sorry, Omar, Bat Yeor actually grew up living as a Jewish woman under one of the more “moderate” Islamic societies in Egypt. Her story and subsequent research proves that Dhimmitude ‘

As i said, you lack understanding of the concept of Dhimmitude. Dhimmitude is now obsolete…..it was a system when non Muslims could live in Muslim lands, and be officially protected. They paid a special tax and tribute for this. Albeit by modern standards this is equivalent to second class citizenship, but maybe you should look at how Christians treated non Christians in their countries during this time period. Jews included. Nothing like Dhimmitude existed. They were simply persecuted ruthlessly, even those Christians who disagreed with the Pope. You have no right to stand on a high horse, and condemn events from hundreds of years ago.

‘Tell me, Omar, how many churches are there in Saudi Arabia? ‘

I condemn Saudi Arabia. I am defending Islam as a religion here, not supposedly Muslim countries. Pay attention.

‘Omar then goes on to recite the standard leftist history of slavery and colonialism, carefully omitting the fact that Muslim slavery far exceded anything practiced by even the worst of the European colonial powers – Portugal and Spain – who purchased the vast majority of their slaves from Muslim traders in the first place. ‘

Do you always dismiss facts? This is garbage. You cant even recognise Christian countries were the main offenders when it came to the slave trade. I’ll try and dig up some statistics for you, but Portugal, Spain, Great Britain, and the US dealt with the largest number of slaves, from a raw numerical point. Leftist propaganda? Sure.

‘Comrade Lenin, along with Comrade Trotsky, managed to execute a couple of million “enemies of the state” through their minions in the Cheka.’

Incase you werent aware, there was a CIVIL WAR going on in the early Soviet Union. A war spurred on by the Western Imperalist nations. 2 million? I have no clue where you pulled this figure from.

‘Even Comrade Omar can’t bring himself to completely hide the 40 million bodies of those liquidated by Comrade Stalin’s NKVD. ‘

When did i defend Stalin?

‘Omar’s various comrades in Communist regimes wordwide have have eliminated some 120 million “enemies of the state” since their reign of terror commenced in 1918.’

Carolus clearly hasnt forgotten the cold war propaganda spouted by McCarthy and co.

‘And just for the record, Conrade Omar, both Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussonlini were orginally faithful comrades of yours early in their careers following the first world war. ‘

Comrade Omar. I like it! Adolf Hitler was NEVER a left winger. Mussolini was a Marxist in his youth, but quickly abandoned this. You dont have to take my word for the Nazi’s right wing system. This is hardly propaganda. Its an established fact. Both Germany and Italy were not Socialist. They were both autocratic capitalist Nationalist states. I’ll dig up a political scale for you, since you dont seem to have a clue what defines ‘right’ and ‘left’ wing.

‘Omar. Likewise, the Fascists were practicioners of socialism’s “third way”, whereby enterpises would be co-opted by the totalitarian state ‘

Incorrect. In Socialism, industry must be nationalised. This failed to happen in Fascist countries. Industry remained privately owned. Self contained CAPITALISM.

‘We have nothing more to discuss. ‘

Translation – I am a coward. Your argument was laughable, so now you run away….

If a Muslim happens to be a decent sort… it isn’t the Islam that did it. It’s despite the Islam.

If my Jewish neighbors were mutilating their daughters, strapping bombs to themselves and their kids to bomb churches and preaching the downfall of the US and of all people who don’t keep kosher, I’d kill them to prevent the desecration of the name of my faith.

1.5B Muslims. Name one with the courage to fight and kill the monsters among them?

When blood means more than truth, that leads to evil.

When Ted Kazcynski’s brother turned him in, that was a great moral good.

America’s great evil of slavery began its purge and its present complete absence with a bloody Civil War.

Until Islam has a similar civil war, it cannot be assumed to be compatible with contemporary civilization. You do NOT get to bury your head in the sand and deny responsibility.

The “Iraq Body Count” is nothing short of a propaganda site where a deaths from disparate couases are all added up and blamed upon the United States. These range from those killed through the actions of criminals (most of whom were released by Omar’s hero Saddam prior to the invasion), those who died as a result of mortar rounds, RPGs, and bullets fired at American tragets by Baathist gangs, jihadis, etc, in addition to those which came about from US bombs missing their tagets, etc. In short, under such a system of reckoning, Saddam, the Baathists, the Islamofascists and criminals are responsible for zero civilian deaths while the US are responsible for all.

Next Omar gives us the officially approved version of Islamic history from the Wahabi office of propaganda, especially reminding us of how “tolerant” Muslims are towards other religions. Sorry, Omar, Bat Yeor actually grew up living as a Jewish woman under one of the more “moderate” Islamic societies in Egypt. Her story and subsequent research proves that Dhimmitude is simply a form of semi-slavery where the Dhimmis have no rights, are subjected to ciminal acts for whch there is no recourse, and are forced to pay tribute for the joys of their continued existence under the system. Tell me, Omar, how many churches are there in Saudi Arabia? There are mosques all over the west, many of which are funded by the Saudis. If Islamic societies are such paragons of tolerance as you state, why is it that the vast majority of Jews and Christians are fleeing as fast as they can? The Western Roman Empire fell before Mohammed was even born, and its Eastern half, later called Byzantium merely resisted Muslim expansion – which Omar refers to as “conquest.” The Holy Roman Empire wasn’t really much of anything but a loose confederation.

Omar then goes on to recite the standard leftist history of slavery and colonialism, carefully omitting the fact that Muslim slavery far exceded anything practiced by even the worst of the European colonial powers – Portugal and Spain – who purchased the vast majority of their slaves from Muslim traders in the first place. He also conveniently ignores the fact that the only movement to end the near-universal practice of slavery arose in the Christian nations of Britain (abolished 1830), America (1865), and to a lesser degree, France (mid-19th century). As David Horowitz has pointed out: Slavery was effectively ended through the actions of Union bluecoats, British gunboats, and French bureaucrats. It certainly wasn’t ended Muslims, who continue the practice in the Sudan and other locales to this very day.

Comrade Lenin, along with Comrade Trotsky, managed to execute a couple of million “enemies of the state” through their minions in the Cheka. Even Comrade Omar can’t bring himself to completely hide the 40 million bodies of those liquidated by Comrade Stalin’s NKVD. Omar’s various comrades in Communist regimes wordwide have have eliminated some 120 million “enemies of the state” since their reign of terror commenced in 1918.

And just for the record, Conrade Omar, both Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussonlini were orginally faithful comrades of yours early in their careers following the first world war. They soon realized that the proletarian revolution would not likely work in the more properous nations of the west. So Hitler formed the National Socialist Democratic Workers Party, also known as the Nazis, who’ve been labeled as “rightists” by Marxists like Omar. Likewise, the Fascists were practicioners of socialism’s “third way”, whereby enterpises would be co-opted by the totalitarian state to bring about utopia, instead of being siezed directly as in Omar’s lost paradise, the Soviet Union. The only regime in Europe one could honestly characterize as right wing would be Franco’s Phalangist/Royalist regime in Spain.

Omar, your Wahabi friends have shown the world their true natures in Beslan, Russia. I note with interest the deafening cacaphony of condemnation from the various Imams, Muftis, Ayatollahs, and Mullahs for those who gleefully shoot fleeing children in the back with fully-automatic weapons. We have nothing more to discuss.

I think you are the deluded one. These deaths are the direct result of intervention from the US and the coalition.

http://www.iraqbodycount.net/

Min – 11793
Max – 13802

‘Christians stated the war in the Crusades? A complete ignorance of history. Mohammed started his cult….’

Cult? Hmmm….nice definition.

‘dhimmitude (semi-slavery) for the Jews and Christians’

You clearly know nothing about Islam, or indeed the concept of dhimmitude.

Expansion was the done thing at this time. You conviniently ignore Christian expansion, such as Byzantium, the Holy Roman Empire, etc…..Not to mention the later Christian colonialism….note Latin America, North America, and Africa. In your anti Muslim rhetoric, you also FAIL to recongise the largest slave trading nations, Portugal, Great Britain, and later the United States. Which religions did these countries belong to? When was slavery finally abolished in the US? Talk about hypocrisy.

The Crusades were just as immoral as acts committed by Muslims. Chrsitian pilgramages into Muslim controlled Jerusalem were allowed, and infact very popular. The Crusades are also something you dont seem to know a lot about. The primary goal was to invade Jerusalem, and wrest it from Muslim hands. The secondary goal was to kill as many non Christians as possible, both Jew and Muslim. The Crusaders slaughtered 10,000′s of both these religions.

‘Since 1918, your idols in the Soviet Union’

Comrade Lenin infact ended bloodshed and oppression. It was only later, when the Totaltarian Stalin got into power that things on a humane front became low. Even so, deaths in Communist Russia are hugely exaggerated.

‘Nazi Germany ‘

Another area you know little about, despite whatever your ‘sources’ tell you. Nazi Germany was a right wing nationalist regime. Hitler despised Communism, and Nazi Germany itself was a self contained capitalist state. Its well established Nazi Germany was not leftist in the slightest.

‘ Vietnam ‘

And we all know death there was due to imperialist intervention….

‘Check out R.J. Rummel’s “Death by Government” site. He pulls no punches. While it’s true that there are a few rightist, authoritarian regimes ‘

Way to play it down eh? Mussolini, Hitler, Franco, Pinochet, Diem…….just to name a few murdering right wing regimes. Its a two way thing here.

1. Timothy McVeigh was an atheist. He was raised in a nominally Christian home, but renounced any belief before his tenure in the army. This is a common lie circulated among leftists to discredit Christians, or anyone who dares to criticize their utopian plans or their allies who practice the “religion of peace,”

2. 11,000 innocent Iraqis killed. Where does this fantasy figure come from? Even if the number is accurate, who killed them?
US forces? Islamic jihadis? Baathist Party holdovers? Did they die of starvation thanks to Kofi Annan’s “Oil for Food” scam (it was actually oil for weapons, with kickbacks to Kofi and his pals)? Oh, and how about mentioning all of those stuffed into mass graves at the hands of your hero Saddam? Or the hundreds of thousands of Iraqi children who perished because of sanctions (the oil for guns programs described above)? Your argument is laughable.

3. Christians stated the war in the Crusades? A complete ignorance of history. Mohammed started his cult in the early 600s in Arabia. After slaughtering all the Jews in Medina (636), he and his followers waged a war of conquest that took over an area stretching from Persia in the East to Spain in the West, marked by the trademark forced conversions and beheadings of the conquered populace at the hands of the religion of peace – along with the state of dhimmitude (semi-slavery) for the Jews and Christians who were too numerous to slaughter in the conquered areas – and provided necessary tribute. The “religion of peace” has demonstrated its love through violence, murder, and slavery ever since, though there have been a few exceptions – in Persia, India, and Central Asia for the most part – where those who adopted it have elected to ignore its horrible jihadist aspect.

However, David, even the Muslims pale in comparison to the sheer slaughter at the hands of utopian leftists such as yourself. Since 1918, your idols in the Soviet Union, Nazi Germany (yes it’s actually a form of leftist utopianism – despite what the NY Times says), Communist China, Cambodia, Vietnam and other assorted hellholes have managed to slaugher some 150 million – not counting abortion, which is the holiest ritual in the state religion of feminists everywhere.

Check out R.J. Rummel’s “Death by Government” site. He pulls no punches. While it’s true that there are a few rightist, authoritarian regimes who’ve resorted to murder and such, they are rank amateurs. As mentioned, the “religion of peace” has very bloody hands to boot. However, leftist regimes have everyone else beat by far. Of course, in the immortal words of the NY Times’ Pulitzer Prize-winning “journalist” Walter Duranty describing “Uncle Joe” Stalin’s efforts at creating the “New Soviet Man” – You have to break a few eggs to make an omlet.

I was a little put off by the playing of the anthem as well and Savage, though sometimes edgy and sometimes funny, is frequently over the top, occasionally naive, and often self-absorbed.

His “schtick” however, doesn’t lessen the evil of intentionally making war on children and the failure of Islamic leaders to harshly condemn the act. Savage is absolutely right about CAIR’s duplicitous and meaningless statements and the media’s unwillingness to acknowledge clear moral distinctions.

On the bright side though, Fox’s Dana Lewis reporting via phone from Beslan this morning caught himself saying “Chechen rebels” and changed it to “Chechen terrorists”. A step in the right direction.

Michael Weiner (Savage to you), the former used car salesman and racist bigot from NY and Philly who left his wife and kids to become an SF hippy and hang out with Alan Ginsberg is responding to the school crisis in an unusual way. To honor the Russian people for standing up to the terrorists he is playing their national anthem…from the Soviet days. Am I missing something? He seems to be calling for all-out war on Muslims everywhere, saying incredously vile things about the religion and its practitioners. The fact that he is Jewish isn’t helping anything. I doubt that he’s really sincere but he has a good schtick that’s helping him make money off you conservatives.

Stan in San Diego