Comments on: Who Are You Voting For?

By: AWG

AWG — Tue, 14 Sep 2004 14:33:55 +0000

Omar: “I did no such thing. I dug up a quote which i think can be used to explain a lot of slander against Kerry.”
Omar, you come off as a bright fellow; you can do better than this sort of sophistry. You quoted Herman Goering with the clear intention of implying that Bush was doing the same thing to Kerry. Goering was an infamous Nazi, and you made no effort to separate the message from the messenger. Surely you were cognizant of the implied guilt by association in your quote, and could have counteracted it if you didn’t intend to make said implication. To broadly paraphrase Friedrich Nietzche, when decrying the slander of others, one must take pains not to commit slander himself.

By: Jeannie

Jeannie — Sat, 11 Sep 2004 18:54:35 +0000

Thank you, Andy!

By: Omar

Omar — Sat, 11 Sep 2004 17:33:02 +0000

‘And associating Bush with Nazi Germany isn’t? (Not that you’re the first to do that, mind you.) I mean, fair play if you don’t like the guy, but don’t you think that’s going a little far?’

I did no such thing. I dug up a quote which i think can be used to explain a lot of slander against Kerry.

By: Andy

Andy — Sat, 11 Sep 2004 16:57:26 +0000

Jeannie, use the “i” example, 3rd from the end in the allowable HTML examples just under the “Leave a Comment”. Don’t forget to close the italics by “/” before the “i”
blah, blah

By: Boileryard Clarke

Boileryard Clarke — Sat, 11 Sep 2004 15:15:05 +0000

By: RepJ

RepJ — Sat, 11 Sep 2004 05:09:12 +0000

Clark LOL

By: Jeannie

Jeannie — Sat, 11 Sep 2004 04:46:05 +0000

“All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism” – Omar, in repeating this portion of Goering’s statement, are you insinuating that the American people were only TOLD we were being attacked? Gosh, that’s funny. I could swear those two buildings were there one day, then just gone the next. I’m going to just assume you didn’t really mean to use Goering’s quote verbatim, I can’t imagine you would downplay the reason for our current defensive posture.

Can somebody please teach me how to put something in italics on this blog?

By: Boileryard Clarke

Boileryard Clarke — Fri, 10 Sep 2004 21:50:36 +0000

Boileryard – Why wouldn’t I still like you? What did you do?

Oh ok… it’s just… you know… I can’t vote for anyone who isn’t a conservative, so Bednarik is the only choice.

RepJ shouldn’t call James Lamb a troll.. he’s just a democrat. That’s a Republican with a blue shirt is all. :-p

By: AWG

AWG — Fri, 10 Sep 2004 18:29:10 +0000

Omar said: “Associating Kerry with terrorism is weak…”

And associating Bush with Nazi Germany isn’t? (Not that you’re the first to do that, mind you.) I mean, fair play if you don’t like the guy, but don’t you think that’s going a little far?

By: RepJ

RepJ — Fri, 10 Sep 2004 14:19:19 +0000

La Shawn, You had to know that the trolls would be the first ones to respond on this entry. LOL

I think the ‘sting of truth’ is a good phrase for that bumper sticker.

Isn’t Bednarik some guy on ESPN or something?

By: c77m

c77m — Fri, 10 Sep 2004 01:24:24 +0000

James – It’s your blog; you can say what you wish.

It’s not my blog — should I be careful?

Bumper stickers like these have been circulating for months, if not longer. I tend to think the primary intent is making light on a serious topic, despite the fact that only people on the same side of the fence will be laughing. That said, nowhere on the sticker does it state (or insinuate) anything about Kerry supporting terrorism or questioning Kerry’s patriotism. It simply states the supposed opinion that terrorists would find a Kerry administration less of an obstacle than the current.

Given Kerry’s history, I’d find it hard to argue that. As James has displayed, it would be easier to suggest the bumper sticker says something that it clearly does not.

By: 5thSister

5thSister — Fri, 10 Sep 2004 01:19:48 +0000

Boy, James,
For a guy who proclaims himself to be without remorse, pity, or sorrow, you sure do get riled up some times.
With all of the anti-Bush joke bumper stickers, you can’t take a lil joke when it’s Kerry?
Now, implying terrorist would prefer Kerry doesn’t mean Kerry is a traitor or un-patriotic (his senate testimony and book did that). Terrorist made it clear who they wanted to head up Spain… an appeaser, a lefty, a, shall we say, push over?
Now, if you were a terrorist, would you want the guy who has vowed to take the wall to your door, or the guy who would only use force if the UN agrees and runs the show? The same UN that thinks Lybia is qualified to judge what is and is not a human right’s violation… that allowed Hussein to divert relief money and goods from his people to build palaces… that is standing aside as people are being slaughtered in Dafur and Rawanda?
I don’t know why they would prefer that to Bush…

By: James Lamb, Jr.

James Lamb, Jr. — Fri, 10 Sep 2004 00:52:18 +0000

La Shawn – “So tell me, what keeps you coming back to the blog of an unreasonable, illogical, uniformed person who believes that perspective is legitimate and full of sense?”

I never knew you believed in that perspective. I haven’t called you any names. You didn’t endorse the bumper sticker simply by displaying it. You hadn’t said anything about it.

I read and comment on your blog because, while I may not agree with many of your perspectives, I find them well articulated and consistent with the main pulse of modern-day Christian conservatives, without sidestepping racial commentary like many speakers from the Christian right.

The real question is, if you believe that bumper sticker makes sense, if that statement is something you endorse and believe in, why do you believe that perspective has merit? How can that statement, or the aforementioned quote from VP Cheney, possibly speak to a sensible, objective, and/or fair interpretation of Sen. Kerry’s record or public stance on American policy with respect to modern terrorism?

That bumper sticker associates a position on terrorism with Sen. Kerry that no American citizen can hold without committing treason. If you believe Sen. Kerry is so weak, so appeasing, so “sensitive” on terror that the terrorists themselves support his campaign, then I believe you are doing more than calling into question Sen. Kerry’s patriotism.

You are calling him a traitor.

It’s your blog; you can say what you wish. But if one replaced Kerry’s name with “Bush” in that bumper sticker, it would still be a negative, heinous, unneeded perspective to hold, and completely outside the realm of reasoned political discourse.

We can disagree without being disagreeable.

By: Omar

Omar — Thu, 09 Sep 2004 23:46:46 +0000

“Of course the people don’t want war. But after all, it’s the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it’s always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it’s a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger.”

– Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials

Words stand true.

Associating Kerry with terrorism is weak….. Fairplay if you dont like the guy, but thats a little far dont you think?

By: La Shawn

La Shawn — Thu, 09 Sep 2004 23:35:09 +0000

James – No reasonable, logical, informed person could possibly agree with such an illegitimate and nonsensical perspective.

So tell me, what keeps you coming back to the blog of an unreasonable, illogical, uniformed person who believes that perspective is legitimate and full of sense?

Boileryard – Why wouldn’t I still like you? What did you do?