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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/09/21/kerry/comment-page-1/#comment-5210</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Sep 2004 04:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SCSIwuzzy, I&#039;ll second that.  Dresden et al was the equivalent of swapping chess pawns for pawns, unfortunately with a high cost of collateral damge &amp; death.  Dealing with the USSR was like facing off with kings.  If our peacniks had their way, it would&#039;ve been checkmate on democracy and liberty.

Raymond, I understand and sympathize with your sentiments, however the urge to turn Iraq into a glass desert would -- a tactical win without risking our troops -- be a profound strategic mistake.   This pyrrhic smackdown would only serve to radicalize the rest of the world&#039;s muslims, and cost us more unnecessary death &amp; destruction in the long run, what with the millions living amongst the Western &quot;heathen&quot; nations.

This is the track that Russia took in fighting in Afghanistan and Chechnya with dismal results. If Bush had tried to fight as you suggest, I&#039;m sure that the majority of our officer and NCO corp would have vehemently withdrawn support for the CINC.  It is this kind of &quot;kill &#039;em all and let God sort &#039;em&quot; mentality that got Lt. William Calley and others court-martialed.

Instead of dealing with a muslim population that is 2 - 5% radicalized, we&#039;d be dealing with 50% or more.  How could we ever neutralize that?  Granted that the relative few is bent on total subjugation or destruction of the world.

No, my friend, while it is indeed frustrating to see our guys and gals taking mortal hits on a daily basis, Dubya&#039;s basic game plan is correct. The only way to win this war is to dig in, triangulate and eliminate the onesies-twosies radicals hiding amongst the general population in Iraq.  That by necesscity means having to get in close enough to expose ourselves to their attacks.  Rather than the zero-sum game that it appears, we are killing more of them faster than they can kill us.  

The jihaii&#039;s desperation is remarkably similar to the moonbat crowd.  The further sKerry falls behind, the shriller the DNC and lefty 527s get.  Likewise, the terrorists, by attacking innocent civilians and/or hiding behind women and children are not winning the hearts and minds of the very people they&#039;re seeking to dominate.

On the flipside,  our resolve is weakened, not by  the coalition of the unwilling rather it is by the malfeasance of  antiwar crowd and sKerry.  As a nation, we gave Old-Europe &amp; the UN their chance to provide constructive support, but the lack of it won&#039;t ever stop us from going forward.  

However, domestically, the sKerry, Teddy -- his Sith Master -- and the federation of BAMN&#039;ers undermines our resoluteness by recklessly sowing fear, uncertainty and doubt into the political lanscape.  For that sKerry and Kennedy need to be banished into political exile, but that&#039;s up to Massachusetts voters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SCSIwuzzy, I&#8217;ll second that.  Dresden et al was the equivalent of swapping chess pawns for pawns, unfortunately with a high cost of collateral damge &#038; death.  Dealing with the USSR was like facing off with kings.  If our peacniks had their way, it would&#8217;ve been checkmate on democracy and liberty.</p>
<p>Raymond, I understand and sympathize with your sentiments, however the urge to turn Iraq into a glass desert would &#8212; a tactical win without risking our troops &#8212; be a profound strategic mistake.   This pyrrhic smackdown would only serve to radicalize the rest of the world&#8217;s muslims, and cost us more unnecessary death &#038; destruction in the long run, what with the millions living amongst the Western &#8220;heathen&#8221; nations.</p>
<p>This is the track that Russia took in fighting in Afghanistan and Chechnya with dismal results. If Bush had tried to fight as you suggest, I&#8217;m sure that the majority of our officer and NCO corp would have vehemently withdrawn support for the CINC.  It is this kind of &#8220;kill &#8216;em all and let God sort &#8216;em&#8221; mentality that got Lt. William Calley and others court-martialed.</p>
<p>Instead of dealing with a muslim population that is 2 &#8211; 5% radicalized, we&#8217;d be dealing with 50% or more.  How could we ever neutralize that?  Granted that the relative few is bent on total subjugation or destruction of the world.</p>
<p>No, my friend, while it is indeed frustrating to see our guys and gals taking mortal hits on a daily basis, Dubya&#8217;s basic game plan is correct. The only way to win this war is to dig in, triangulate and eliminate the onesies-twosies radicals hiding amongst the general population in Iraq.  That by necesscity means having to get in close enough to expose ourselves to their attacks.  Rather than the zero-sum game that it appears, we are killing more of them faster than they can kill us.  </p>
<p>The jihaii&#8217;s desperation is remarkably similar to the moonbat crowd.  The further sKerry falls behind, the shriller the DNC and lefty 527s get.  Likewise, the terrorists, by attacking innocent civilians and/or hiding behind women and children are not winning the hearts and minds of the very people they&#8217;re seeking to dominate.</p>
<p>On the flipside,  our resolve is weakened, not by  the coalition of the unwilling rather it is by the malfeasance of  antiwar crowd and sKerry.  As a nation, we gave Old-Europe &#038; the UN their chance to provide constructive support, but the lack of it won&#8217;t ever stop us from going forward.  </p>
<p>However, domestically, the sKerry, Teddy &#8212; his Sith Master &#8212; and the federation of BAMN&#8217;ers undermines our resoluteness by recklessly sowing fear, uncertainty and doubt into the political lanscape.  For that sKerry and Kennedy need to be banished into political exile, but that&#8217;s up to Massachusetts voters.</p>
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		<title>By: SCSIwuzzy</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/09/21/kerry/comment-page-1/#comment-5176</link>
		<dc:creator>SCSIwuzzy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Sep 2004 21:37:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil, Raymond,
I think Dresden and other fire bombings strengthened resolve becasue A) it was understood, B) given the chance, the victim nation could (and did) respond.  Hiroshima and Nagasaki worked to end the war in the pacific because it was neither A nor B.  The notion that 1 bomb could wipe out an entire city in a moment...
And it took 2 cities to end the war.  The Japanese thought the US had a stockpile of bombs, and could/would level city after city until the emperor surendered or Japan was cinder.
The world is different now, and I am glad to say that at the moment, our nation is not willing to visit holocaust on civilians on such a scale to get to our enemies.  It is one of the things that sets us apart from them.  But are enemies are, so we must do what we can to keep them from being in a posistion to do so again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil, Raymond,<br />
I think Dresden and other fire bombings strengthened resolve becasue A) it was understood, B) given the chance, the victim nation could (and did) respond.  Hiroshima and Nagasaki worked to end the war in the pacific because it was neither A nor B.  The notion that 1 bomb could wipe out an entire city in a moment&#8230;<br />
And it took 2 cities to end the war.  The Japanese thought the US had a stockpile of bombs, and could/would level city after city until the emperor surendered or Japan was cinder.<br />
The world is different now, and I am glad to say that at the moment, our nation is not willing to visit holocaust on civilians on such a scale to get to our enemies.  It is one of the things that sets us apart from them.  But are enemies are, so we must do what we can to keep them from being in a posistion to do so again.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Sep 2004 20:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>raymod, you may want to open a history book, flip to the chapter about WWII, and read about the fire bombings. The allies dropped massive amounts of incidiary devices on cities in japan and germany trying to accopmlish the very thing you are suggesting.  the logic was, if we keep killing more and more of them, they will lose their resolve and give up. Guess what happened.  Their resolve was strengthened drastically.  The same thing happened when the nazis fire bombed london.  time and time again, the mass killing civillians has strenghtened the resolve of the people it was supposed to demoralize. The same thing happened after 9/11.  How would oyu feel if terrorists came over here, occupied tampa, and startd killing civillians to gain a body count.  10 bucks says you would grap a gun and start fighting.  Thats exactly whats happending in iraq.  While our intetnions are certainly more just than those of our opponents, in their minds, we are the enemy, and killing lots of them will only piss them off more, which will make life harder for our troops.  Everyone wants a speedy victory, but leveling cities would be suicide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>raymod, you may want to open a history book, flip to the chapter about WWII, and read about the fire bombings. The allies dropped massive amounts of incidiary devices on cities in japan and germany trying to accopmlish the very thing you are suggesting.  the logic was, if we keep killing more and more of them, they will lose their resolve and give up. Guess what happened.  Their resolve was strengthened drastically.  The same thing happened when the nazis fire bombed london.  time and time again, the mass killing civillians has strenghtened the resolve of the people it was supposed to demoralize. The same thing happened after 9/11.  How would oyu feel if terrorists came over here, occupied tampa, and startd killing civillians to gain a body count.  10 bucks says you would grap a gun and start fighting.  Thats exactly whats happending in iraq.  While our intetnions are certainly more just than those of our opponents, in their minds, we are the enemy, and killing lots of them will only piss them off more, which will make life harder for our troops.  Everyone wants a speedy victory, but leveling cities would be suicide.</p>
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		<title>By: firebird</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/09/21/kerry/comment-page-1/#comment-5161</link>
		<dc:creator>firebird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Sep 2004 20:05:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kerry is a socialist his image is at a commie museum they think of him as one of their own(socialist) and his evil bunch i wonder who he wants as his cabinet? clintons, gores, kennedys? gets you to wondering about his allegiance</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kerry is a socialist his image is at a commie museum they think of him as one of their own(socialist) and his evil bunch i wonder who he wants as his cabinet? clintons, gores, kennedys? gets you to wondering about his allegiance</p>
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		<title>By: Raymond C. Coleman</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/09/21/kerry/comment-page-1/#comment-4620</link>
		<dc:creator>Raymond C. Coleman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2004 15:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gotcha Adrian!</description>
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		<title>By: Raymond C. Coleman</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/09/21/kerry/comment-page-1/#comment-4619</link>
		<dc:creator>Raymond C. Coleman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2004 14:59:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I AM OUTRAGED AND I ORDER PRESIDENT BUSH TO DO WHAT WE ELECTED HIM TO DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Enough is enough Mr. President.  COME ON!  What is it going to take? You could have at least beat up Kofi Annan when you stood next to him at that UN photo op?  Is there ANY fight left in the American people? Are you the harbinger of a new nation of spineless, yellow backed, week kneed panzies? You have these savages running around Iraq beheading American citizens in the name of their cult and YOU DO NOTHING!

For God’s sake man, pull everyone back.  Pull the contractors out for now.  START THIS THING BACK UP GEORGE!  Fight the war man!!  WIN THE WAR!!!

How many black eyes is the US going to have to take before you guys wake up and start doing your job?  QUIT APPEASING these practitioners of this awful religious cult?  It doesn’t take a blind man to see that we are fighting pure and unadulterated evil.  Tell the UN to either do what they were formed to do or cut their funding and kick them out of our country?  Can you at least do that?

Grow a spine Mr. President.  I am losing faith in you and I am losing it FAST!!!!!  You paid attention when we told you to stay away from that stupid weapons ban, so listen to us now.  America is SCREAMING FOR VENGEANCE.  You must act.  I have already taken the Bush-Cheney stickers off of my vehicles.  If you want me to put them back on, then give me a reason to be proud of you again.

If we don’t start leveling some Iraqi cities soon, I’m just going to stay home and watch the poll results come in as if I am watching Monday Night Football.  John Kerry is capitalizing on your inaction.  You now seem as soft and unwilling as he is.  Are you a man or just another RINO?

DO YOUR JOB MR. PRESIDENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Win the war.

Raymond Coleman
Tampa, FL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I AM OUTRAGED AND I ORDER PRESIDENT BUSH TO DO WHAT WE ELECTED HIM TO DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</p>
<p>Enough is enough Mr. President.  COME ON!  What is it going to take? You could have at least beat up Kofi Annan when you stood next to him at that UN photo op?  Is there ANY fight left in the American people? Are you the harbinger of a new nation of spineless, yellow backed, week kneed panzies? You have these savages running around Iraq beheading American citizens in the name of their cult and YOU DO NOTHING!</p>
<p>For God’s sake man, pull everyone back.  Pull the contractors out for now.  START THIS THING BACK UP GEORGE!  Fight the war man!!  WIN THE WAR!!!</p>
<p>How many black eyes is the US going to have to take before you guys wake up and start doing your job?  QUIT APPEASING these practitioners of this awful religious cult?  It doesn’t take a blind man to see that we are fighting pure and unadulterated evil.  Tell the UN to either do what they were formed to do or cut their funding and kick them out of our country?  Can you at least do that?</p>
<p>Grow a spine Mr. President.  I am losing faith in you and I am losing it FAST!!!!!  You paid attention when we told you to stay away from that stupid weapons ban, so listen to us now.  America is SCREAMING FOR VENGEANCE.  You must act.  I have already taken the Bush-Cheney stickers off of my vehicles.  If you want me to put them back on, then give me a reason to be proud of you again.</p>
<p>If we don’t start leveling some Iraqi cities soon, I’m just going to stay home and watch the poll results come in as if I am watching Monday Night Football.  John Kerry is capitalizing on your inaction.  You now seem as soft and unwilling as he is.  Are you a man or just another RINO?</p>
<p>DO YOUR JOB MR. PRESIDENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Win the war.</p>
<p>Raymond Coleman<br />
Tampa, FL</p>
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		<title>By: adrian</title>
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		<dc:creator>adrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2004 14:48:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Raymond:

&quot;Savagery&quot; is, I admit, an imprecise word. I&#039;ll come back to it in a minute. For now, I&#039;ll replace it with &quot;immorality.&quot; My point is twofold. On the one hand, an American soldier doing his job (which also means killing the enemy) in a just war is NOT therefore guilty of immorality (which is what pacifists claim). On the other hand, there are moral rules governing killing in warfare that no soldier can violate without therefore becoming guilty of immorality, e.g., raping civilian women. That, by the way, is the sort of thing I had in mind when I used the word &quot;savagery.&quot; I wasn&#039;t thinking of the fighting spirit, which, provided the cause is just, is NOT immoral.

Adrian</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Raymond:</p>
<p>&#8220;Savagery&#8221; is, I admit, an imprecise word. I&#8217;ll come back to it in a minute. For now, I&#8217;ll replace it with &#8220;immorality.&#8221; My point is twofold. On the one hand, an American soldier doing his job (which also means killing the enemy) in a just war is NOT therefore guilty of immorality (which is what pacifists claim). On the other hand, there are moral rules governing killing in warfare that no soldier can violate without therefore becoming guilty of immorality, e.g., raping civilian women. That, by the way, is the sort of thing I had in mind when I used the word &#8220;savagery.&#8221; I wasn&#8217;t thinking of the fighting spirit, which, provided the cause is just, is NOT immoral.</p>
<p>Adrian</p>
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		<title>By: Raymond C. Coleman</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/09/21/kerry/comment-page-1/#comment-4616</link>
		<dc:creator>Raymond C. Coleman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2004 14:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pat,

We don&#039;t need slow progress when we can achieve a quick decisive victory.  What we need is the erasure of some terrorist dens and staging areas posing as Iraqi cities and a VERY HIGH enemy bodycount achieved in a very short time.

As for President Bush now being a politician, that is true.   Was I the only one wanting President Bush to turn towards Kofi Annan at the UN an punch him in his grill, then standing over his unconscious carcass telling him and the UN to descend into Hades and that the US was kicking them out of NYC and cutting their funding?

Maybe I was just dreaming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pat,</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t need slow progress when we can achieve a quick decisive victory.  What we need is the erasure of some terrorist dens and staging areas posing as Iraqi cities and a VERY HIGH enemy bodycount achieved in a very short time.</p>
<p>As for President Bush now being a politician, that is true.   Was I the only one wanting President Bush to turn towards Kofi Annan at the UN an punch him in his grill, then standing over his unconscious carcass telling him and the UN to descend into Hades and that the US was kicking them out of NYC and cutting their funding?</p>
<p>Maybe I was just dreaming.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat in NC</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat in NC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2004 13:40:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I for one am glad to see more and more black people succeed in business, education, law etc. I am glad that President Bush selected truly good people for his cabinet and did not rely on the color of their skin in selecting top advisors. I hope we see more of this and less of the pandering to the 
black vote--it is the American vote. As to the war, there is good news posted in iraqthemosel.blogspot.com,.  today.Agroup of ordinary Iraqis went after a small group of terrorists, beat them up and turned them over to the Americans. They yelled at the terrorists, you are killing our youth. As more and more Iraqis accept the necessity of getting the terrorists under control, the more they accept Allawi and dependence on Americans to help the greater chance our military has of being successful without the Iraqi people again turning on them. Progress is slow, but it is happening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I for one am glad to see more and more black people succeed in business, education, law etc. I am glad that President Bush selected truly good people for his cabinet and did not rely on the color of their skin in selecting top advisors. I hope we see more of this and less of the pandering to the<br />
black vote&#8211;it is the American vote. As to the war, there is good news posted in iraqthemosel.blogspot.com,.  today.Agroup of ordinary Iraqis went after a small group of terrorists, beat them up and turned them over to the Americans. They yelled at the terrorists, you are killing our youth. As more and more Iraqis accept the necessity of getting the terrorists under control, the more they accept Allawi and dependence on Americans to help the greater chance our military has of being successful without the Iraqi people again turning on them. Progress is slow, but it is happening.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim R</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/09/21/kerry/comment-page-1/#comment-4597</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2004 13:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Economically, the Democratic party has always been the party of the worker. The Republican party has always been the party of business. Socially, the Democratic party has evolved into the party of the liberal minded. The Republican party has always been the party of the conservative minded.

Because the liberal minded are more open to change, the Democrats have a very good record supporting social change; womens suffrage, black civil rights, gay rights, etc.
While the conservatives are resistant to change and therefore Republicans have a poor record on social changes.

If you are a conservative black worker you have to decide which is more important to you, your social values, your civil rights, or your economic needs. Since the Democratic party satisfies two out of three of these interests for you, it would make logical sense to vote Democratic. But if you give much more weight to your conservative values due to religious beliefs, etc. then Republican candidates would make more sense for you.

This is a logical way to approach your vote by just plugging in YOUR economic and social interests. But don&#039;t leave out the &#039;Candidate&#039; factor. If one seems to have better leadership skills and is moderate in the economic and social issues, the &#039;gut&#039; feel could outweigh the logical approach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Economically, the Democratic party has always been the party of the worker. The Republican party has always been the party of business. Socially, the Democratic party has evolved into the party of the liberal minded. The Republican party has always been the party of the conservative minded.</p>
<p>Because the liberal minded are more open to change, the Democrats have a very good record supporting social change; womens suffrage, black civil rights, gay rights, etc.<br />
While the conservatives are resistant to change and therefore Republicans have a poor record on social changes.</p>
<p>If you are a conservative black worker you have to decide which is more important to you, your social values, your civil rights, or your economic needs. Since the Democratic party satisfies two out of three of these interests for you, it would make logical sense to vote Democratic. But if you give much more weight to your conservative values due to religious beliefs, etc. then Republican candidates would make more sense for you.</p>
<p>This is a logical way to approach your vote by just plugging in YOUR economic and social interests. But don&#8217;t leave out the &#8216;Candidate&#8217; factor. If one seems to have better leadership skills and is moderate in the economic and social issues, the &#8216;gut&#8217; feel could outweigh the logical approach.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Roberts</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/09/21/kerry/comment-page-1/#comment-4581</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2004 03:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I said on the other stream, the peculiar event troubling the President is an election, where he must operate as a politician.  Expect him to return to being a &quot;war time&quot; President post election.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I said on the other stream, the peculiar event troubling the President is an election, where he must operate as a politician.  Expect him to return to being a &#8220;war time&#8221; President post election.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/09/21/kerry/comment-page-1/#comment-4575</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2004 02:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry Mark,

I will definitely get there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Mark,</p>
<p>I will definitely get there.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Slater</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Slater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2004 02:22:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ray -- well, I seems you haven&#039;t clicked on my homepage, but I&#039;ll let that go...

As far as your argument goes, I&#039;ll quote Arsenio Hall, who in 1992 said on his show &quot;The Republicans say &#039;we&#039;re the party of Lincoln&#039;.  Excuse me, that was ONE HUNRED and THIRTY YEARS AGO!&quot;.  This is in response to the National Convention of that year.  So the thinking of this stripe is, that the Republican solidarity with the Black voter is a thing long in the past.

My guess is, the low Black turnout means that they are just as non-plussed in their choices as we are (whites, Hispanics, etc)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ray &#8212; well, I seems you haven&#8217;t clicked on my homepage, but I&#8217;ll let that go&#8230;</p>
<p>As far as your argument goes, I&#8217;ll quote Arsenio Hall, who in 1992 said on his show &#8220;The Republicans say &#8216;we&#8217;re the party of Lincoln&#8217;.  Excuse me, that was ONE HUNRED and THIRTY YEARS AGO!&#8221;.  This is in response to the National Convention of that year.  So the thinking of this stripe is, that the Republican solidarity with the Black voter is a thing long in the past.</p>
<p>My guess is, the low Black turnout means that they are just as non-plussed in their choices as we are (whites, Hispanics, etc)</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2004 02:14:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very true Mark!  I tend to agree on your middle eastern &quot;democracy&quot; inference. 

And just to correct the record made by another poster, DEMOCRATS created the &quot;Jim Crow&quot; laws.  Just like they sought to perpetuate the slavery institution, formed the Ku Klux Klan under Nathan Bedford Forest, created the literacy tests and poll taxes, physically raised the confederate flag over the SC state capitol (Sen. Fritz Hollings), elected an admitted Klan member (Sen. Robert Byrd) as the President of the US Senate Pro Tempore, allows its House members to racially segregate in exclusive caucuses and claim to want racial unity and created the poverty inducing and hope draining social welfare system (FDR) that has imprisoned Blacks.

The GOP was formed because it OPPOSED slavery.  It was born in a split from the Wig Party who also supported slavery.

The GOP was created in direct opposition to the ONE MAJOR FALL BACK POSITION that ill-educated blacks use as their main weapon in making excuses for failure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very true Mark!  I tend to agree on your middle eastern &#8220;democracy&#8221; inference. </p>
<p>And just to correct the record made by another poster, DEMOCRATS created the &#8220;Jim Crow&#8221; laws.  Just like they sought to perpetuate the slavery institution, formed the Ku Klux Klan under Nathan Bedford Forest, created the literacy tests and poll taxes, physically raised the confederate flag over the SC state capitol (Sen. Fritz Hollings), elected an admitted Klan member (Sen. Robert Byrd) as the President of the US Senate Pro Tempore, allows its House members to racially segregate in exclusive caucuses and claim to want racial unity and created the poverty inducing and hope draining social welfare system (FDR) that has imprisoned Blacks.</p>
<p>The GOP was formed because it OPPOSED slavery.  It was born in a split from the Wig Party who also supported slavery.</p>
<p>The GOP was created in direct opposition to the ONE MAJOR FALL BACK POSITION that ill-educated blacks use as their main weapon in making excuses for failure.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2004 01:58:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adrian,

You&#039;ve got me thinking.  Interesting, but I think savagery is a strong term for us to even interject into a debate about PROFESSIONAL American military forces.  I know you haven&#039;t done that so don&#039;t interpret that as an indictment or putting words in your mouth.  I simply want to be clear that to win a war, soldiers MUST be allowed to do what they are trained to do, otherwise they lose morale, make mistakes, second guess their purpose, and lose faith in their commanders.  A recipe for disaster.

Fighting IS savagery.  You must be relentless with those who threaten who and what you are.  Now Adrain, if you are saying that tactical action should not be &quot;savage&quot; in nature, then I respectfully disagree.

It is very clear however that your heart is in the correct place.  Someone has to be there for end game balance and decompression of the force. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adrian,</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve got me thinking.  Interesting, but I think savagery is a strong term for us to even interject into a debate about PROFESSIONAL American military forces.  I know you haven&#8217;t done that so don&#8217;t interpret that as an indictment or putting words in your mouth.  I simply want to be clear that to win a war, soldiers MUST be allowed to do what they are trained to do, otherwise they lose morale, make mistakes, second guess their purpose, and lose faith in their commanders.  A recipe for disaster.</p>
<p>Fighting IS savagery.  You must be relentless with those who threaten who and what you are.  Now Adrain, if you are saying that tactical action should not be &#8220;savage&#8221; in nature, then I respectfully disagree.</p>
<p>It is very clear however that your heart is in the correct place.  Someone has to be there for end game balance and decompression of the force. <img src='http://lashawnbarber.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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