DEM lies keep on turnin’,
Proud Omar keep on burnin’,
Trollin’, trollin’, trollin’ on the Corner.

Gleaned a lot of leftist liberal ideas,
Pumped a lot of tripe into New Medias.
But I never found the good side of conservatives,
Til I latched unto a Believer Blog Queen.

DEM lies keep on turnin’,
Proud Omar keep on burnin’,
Trollin’, trollin’, trollin’ on the Corner,
Trollin’, trollin’, trollin’ on the Corner.

If you come down to the Corner,
Bet I gonna tick off people who believe.
I don’t have to worry ’cause I mock [if they got] the ideas,
People on the Corner are happy to give.

DEM lies keep on turnin’,
Proud Omar keep on burnin’.
Trollin’, trollin’, trollin’ on the Corner,
Trollin’, trollin’, trollin’ on the Corner.

Trollin’, trollin’, trollin’ on the Corner,
Trollin’, trollin’, trollin’ on the Corner,
Trollin’, trollin’, trollin’ on the Corner,

Now you are calling me things that simply arnt true. The Israeli state has taken actions of terrorism, and thats a fact. Assassinations, car bombings, drive by shootings, ethnic cleansing – Israel has done it all. What about the JEWS that condemn the actions of Israel? Are they anti semitic? I am NOT an anti semitic, although i would say im an anti zionist.

‘Palestinians refuse to follow the guidelines set by the Oslo peace accords. ‘

So do Israel. Israel has also failed to comply with well over 100 UN resolutions.

‘ Israel seeks to give the Palestnians continued concessions, yet the Palestinians do not come back to the table.’

I call BS. Israel refuses to recognise any Palestinian leader, instead branding them all as terrorists. The Palestinians have no chance of setting up any political party, despite the fact they outnumber the Israeli’s in the land.

‘The Israelis have no choice but to eliminate those who seek to blow up pizza parlors, shops, and buses with children on them.’

You mean like foreign journalists, little kids sitting infront of windows, and teenagers throwing stones? Its a fact the Israeli army is heavy handed. Many ex Israeli conscripts have come forward in shame of their actions against Palestinian people. Surprise surprise, attempts have been made to silence them. The Palestinians have no choice but to fight for their own human rights, when they cannot achieve anything with Israel politically.

‘Your argument comes close to justifying homicide bombings. ‘

So does yours. You are justifying Israel’s ‘homicide’ helicopter bombings, and Israel’s levelling of entire villages.

‘The Palestinian government’s… ‘

No such a thing exists.

‘Haliburton has been cleared of all charges of improper relationships with foreign countries. ‘

Its a fact Halliburton dealt with the likes of Saddam and Colonel Gaddaffi. Im not saying they were alone in this, but they did.

‘Dick Cheney does not make one red cent off of any of the current Haliburton contracts. ‘

Dich Cheney still receives an estimated $100,000 a year from Haliburton, due to a tax loophole. He received large sums of money from Halliburton as Bush’s running mate in 2000 also.

‘You sound like a John Kerry sound bite.’

Right. And you sound like a George Bush one, and i know which one id prefer to sound like.

‘Collaborative relationship does not eliminate the fact that Iraq and Al Qaeda did offer each other aid at one time or another. ‘

False. Iraq never offered Al Qaeda aid, and Al Qaeda only tried to contact Saddam on one occassion – for permission to set up training camps within Iraq. Saddam never replied. This is as far as the mythical ‘ties’ go. THAT ‘smoke screen’ is old and worn out, even Rumsfeld sees it.

‘Saddam did give financial aid as well as residency to members of Al Qaeda. ‘

See the above.

‘No one has ever said that Iraq and Al Qaeda planned any attacks together. ‘

I urge you to take a glance at what Bush and his cabinet were saying at the time. Particuly Rumsfeld.

Haliburton has been cleared of all charges of improper relationships with foreign countries. The charges they face are in accounting. Dick Cheney does not make one red cent off of any of the current Haliburton contracts. He too has been cleared of any wrongdoing or accusations. That smoke screen is so old and worn out. You sound like a John Kerry sound bite.

Collaborative relationship does not eliminate the fact that Iraq and Al Qaeda did offer each other aid at one time or another. Saddam did give financial aid as well as residency to members of Al Qaeda. No one has said anything different than that. No one has ever said that Iraq and Al Qaeda planned any attacks together. Why do you keep bringing that up? Apples and oranges Jeez.

Now I’ve said enough.

From the personal memoirs of Ulysses S. Grant:

“Experience proves that the man who obstructs a war in which his nation is engaged, no matter whether right or wrong, occupies no enviable place in life or history. Better for him, individually, to advocate ‘war, pestilence, and famine’ than to act as obstructionist to a war already begun. The history of the defeated rebel will be honorable hereafter, compared with that of the Northern man who aided him by conspiring against his government while protected by it. The most favorable posthumous history the stay-at-home traitor can hope for is – oblivion.”

Actually, i urge you to read it again.It said there was no tie between Iraq and 9/11, as well as saying there was no tie between Iraq and AL QAEDA. I read it and ill dig out the quote that explicitly says the opposite to what you are. Here you go:

“There have been reports that contacts between Iraq and al Qaeda also occurred after bin Laden had returned to Afghanistan [in 1996], but they do not appear to have resulted in a collaborative relationship,” the report says. “Two senior bin Laden associates have adamantly denied that any ties existed between al Qaeda and Iraq. We have no credible evidence that Iraq and al Qaeda cooperated on attacks against the United States.”

The 9/11 commission also found evidence suggested that Al Qaeda actually funded Kurdish rebels who were FIGHTING Saddam. If you knew anything about Al Qaeda’s form of Fundamentalism, you would know it had nothing in common with Saddam’s secular regime.

‘I did not condone the United States policies towards Iraq. However, we did not work with Iraq in violation of 16 UN resolutions.’

One word. Halliburton. This company did $23.8 million in business with Saddam Hussein, with good old Dich Cheney as CEO.

‘The UN refuses to condemn countries that give money to and aid terrorist groups such as Hamas, Al Asqa Martyrs Brigade in their assaults on Israel’s sovereign territory.’

Want to name a few of them? The UN has condemned both the actions of Palestinian Liberation groups, and the actions of the Israeli state. I also condemn both. You however, condone Israeli terrorism, yet attack Palestinian terrorism.

‘Israel has a right to defend its self and pre-emptively seek out and kill terrorists that wreck havoc on their citizens. ‘

Just like Palestinians have a right to defend themselves, fight for the ability to set up their own state, and remove themselves from the position of oppressed second class citizens.

‘I never said the Marshall Plan was wrong. Aiding Germany after the end of the Cold War was wrong. At some point in time they have to learn how to defend themselves. You miss my point.’

I see your point, but Germany is an economically prosperous country that is being urged by other EU countries to strengthen its military.

‘I do not lack in knowledge over this area.’

You are off on quite a few facts, but nevermind.

‘but I will never subscribe to the liberal viewpoint.’

Im talking facts, not ‘viewpoints.’ I will never subscribe to the Conservative viewpoint either, whats your point? What you should of said was – ‘i will never subscribe to the facts.’

‘I do my research, and I don’t throw out wild and inane arguments.’

Neither do I. I frequently back up what im saying with cited sources. Like the 9/11 commission in this post.

I did not condone the United States policies towards Iraq. However, we did not work with Iraq in violation of 16 UN resolutions. It was highlighting my point that France and Germany are calling the kettle black by stating that we are undermining the UN.

The UN refuses to condemn countries that give money to and aid terrorist groups such as Hamas, Al Asqa Martyrs Brigade in their assaults on Israel’s sovereign territory. Then they allow these same Arab countries to take Israel to the World Court for putting up a security barrier to keep these homicide bombers out.

Israel has a right to defend its self and pre-emptively seek out and kill terrorists that wreck havoc on their citizens. To compare Israelis to terrorists is apples and oranges. Then to compare us to Iran, Saddam led Iraq, Syria, and Libya and say that we are complicit in aiding terrorism? That is the most outrageous statement I have heard on this site.

I never said the Marshall Plan was wrong. Aiding Germany after the end of the Cold War was wrong. At some point in time they have to learn how to defend themselves. You miss my point.

This is the last post I’ll make on this topic. Omar, I do check my facts. I do not lack in knowledge over this area. It was part of my degree plan in college. What I do have is a difference in opinion in American foreign policy from you. You can call my facts wrong, or disagree with me, but I will never subscribe to the liberal viewpoint. I do my research, and I don’t throw out wild and inane arguments. You would see that by reading my blog. I know better than that. I spend countless hours reading and researching the areas I teach each and every day in my classroom.

When did i say they WERENT? Its a fact the Klan was Right wing. Democrat does not equal liberal. Hmmm, i wonder how the large majority of Klan members will be voting this election?

‘Omar never reads whole posts, or responds to entire concepts, or even divides his posts so that you can tell who he is rebutting or criticizing at any moment without reading every single post that came before it.. ‘

Sure. I respond this way to respond to any point thrown at me. Unlike you, i dont ignore points.

‘I don’t think countries should be ignored, however their opinions don’t have to be the reasons why our policies are made.’

Ive said this a thousand times, but you always ignore it. Kerry NEVER said this, or even suggested this. He quite righly said any military action should be justified in hindsight to the global community. Fair enough, since the US expects the same of every other country in the world.

‘He did not comply with these resolutions, and even Hans Blix agreed with that when interviewed on “The O’Reilly Factor”. ‘

Hanz Blix has ALSO said the US undermined the UN by invading before the inspectors were allowed to do their job. So Hanz Blix accepts the fact Iraq ignored UN resolutions. This doesnt mean the US is exempt from doing the same thing.

‘The UN condones terrorism in Israel by its outright actions in regards to Arab states.’

Thats ridiculous. Again, give me an EXAMPLE of this. This is a key area you are lacking in. In pretty much every post in this topic, you have said something COMPLETELY unfactual. As a counter argument, i could say the US condones Israeli terrorism. Even Bush has critisized the gung ho methods of the Palestinians, and thats saying something. Are you aware of the fact the US spends billions of dollars of taxpayer money to prop up Israel? Where is your outrage over this? The Marshall plan was totally wrong, but using huge sums of money to pay for Israel’s defense is perfectly acceptable, right?

‘The French and Germans have been complicit in the Oil-for-Food scandal, which gave Saddam millions of dollars to buy weapons (from the French and Russians), pay terrorists, and thumb his nose at the UN resolutions.’

Again, this is hilarious. You totally disregard the fact that the Reagan administration contributed to Saddam’s military no end, albeit you call it ‘wrong’…yet you continue to slam France and Germany for dealing with him! Unbelievable.

‘The French were even supplying Saddam with military technology up to and at the beginning of the current Gulf conflict.’

Another fact i think you need on. Which country do you think provides the most arms to the Middle East? Answers on a postcard please.

‘There is a link between Al Qaeda and Iraq.’

Wrong! ANOTHER lie or Orwellian proportions! The 9/11 Commission proved EXACTLY the opposite! How on earth can people still sprout this inane babble? Even Rumsfeld himself, who imfamously speculated over supposed Al Qaeda and Iraq links has basiacally been forced to admit that what he said wasnt true at all.

‘Saddam did support terrorism, against us, Israel and our allies. Removing him does help in the war on terror.’

You conviniently ignore what i said about thousands of foreign terrorists being drawn into Iraq. Removing his had not only created a new generation of Middle Eastern people that hate the US, it has attracted existing terrorists to the warzone like a magnet.

I don’t think countries should be ignored, however their opinions don’t have to be the reasons why our policies are made.

Once again, you ignore the fact that the UN made 17 resolutions, including one that allowed the use of force to remove Saddam. He did not comply with these resolutions, and even Hans Blix agreed with that when interviewed on “The O’Reilly Factor”. Our own Iraq policy was the removal of Saddam Hussein (signed by Clinton) by force.

The UN condones terrorism in Israel by its outright actions in regards to Arab states. You need only to see the World Court rulings to know that. Calling Rwanda an “African problem” paid little more than lip-service to its condemnations.

The French and Germans have gone further than to just disagree with our course of action. The French and Germans have been complicit in the Oil-for-Food scandal, which gave Saddam millions of dollars to buy weapons (from the French and Russians), pay terrorists, and thumb his nose at the UN resolutions. The French were even supplying Saddam with military technology up to and at the beginning of the current Gulf conflict. These countries don’t just disagree, they have made it their policy to be the anti-American balance in the world. They would be opposed to us regardless of our course of action in Iraq. Jeaque de Villepin is on record as stating this!!!

There is a link between Al Qaeda and Iraq. No one has ever claimed that the link existed between Iraq and 9/11. However, they did support each other. I also think the Israelis are happy that Saddam is no longer paying blood money to homicide bombers. Saddam did support terrorism, against us, Israel and our allies. Removing him does help in the war on terror.

Our choice was to remove Saddam, or leave him in place. With his pattern of past behavior, and the Oil-for-Food cash at his disposal, I wouldn’t want to take the risk.

Simply because I differ in opinion from you, Omar, does not make me irrational, nor does it make my arguments irrational.

Democrats are also responsible for “Jim Crow” laws, poll taxes and literacy tests.