The answer is “No”, but I like provocative titles.
I didn’t watch or listen to the debate, but I read that Vice President Cheney (winner) mentioned Factcheck.org on the air, and George Soros, counting on people’s errors, had the domain “Factcheck.com” redirected to GeorgeSoros.com. Nothing wrong with that, I suppose. Apparently it worked.
The American Thinker says:
George Soros seems to have pulled a pretty interesting fast one, following Tuesday’s vice-presidential debate. At that event, Vice President Dick Cheney recommended that viewers go to www.factcheck.org to authenticate provable Kerry campaign inaccuracies. But The American Thinker has discovered something else. Any viewer who doesn’t quite remember the name of the Web site or absent-mindedly types in www.factcheck.com is headed for a direct trip to George Soros’ own droning blog site (which hasn’t got a single fact on it).
Now this is much more interesting than the debate, isn’t it? Another Internet story spreads like wildfire! Since I’m not electing Dick Cheney, I just couldn’t get excited about that debate. This Soros mess, more interesting so keep posted.
Oh, and I guess the debate results should be noted: Cheney 1, Edwards 0. I heard it was boring. If you want to comment on the debate, Soros or both, let the game begin! Let’s see if we’ll get 100+ comments on this one… 
What other bloggers are saying…
Vodkapundit for Cheney. While other networks pick Cheney, CBS picks Edwards, according to B4B. Let the bias begin! See Michelle Malkin. Protein Wisdom has a nice round-up. Wizbang says Edwards wasn’t bad, but Cheney is the winner. Castle Argghhh! has an interesting round-up. Shape of Days does the debate post-game show.
Allahpundit is talking about the Factcheck.com deal. According to Dean, the AP wrapped up its story 30 minutes before the debate ended.
This has nothing to do with the debate, but the Carnival of the Vanities is up. I submitted my “black groupthink” piece. I hope it gets lots of attention!
Outside the Beltway does a thorough morning-after round-up. John “Tom Cruise with a mole” Edwards leaves Stacy cold! Check it out. Blogbrother D.C. Thornton gives it to Cheney. Did anyone (besides liberals) call it for Edwards? See Mystery Pollster’s take on the VP debate. INDC Journal has the real deal on Halliburton (If I hear that word one more time!). One of the Power Line guys live-blogged while he prepared for an NBC interview.
What’s this about a lawsuit? Also see the National Debate. Here, too. Open thread at B4B.
More from the almighty Allah.
CBS dumped by local radio affiliate, says INDC Journal.
The Bear comments, too. Joe Carter blogs the VP debate.
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Cheney said everything that we wanted Bush to say the other night. I hope Bush doesn’t come out acting like Ghandi the next time.
I guess I’m a hopeless geek news junkie. I enjoyed the debate very much and thought Cheney did a great job. Cheney telling Edwards they had not met in the Senate – boring? No way!
FACTCHECK.NET takes you to Registry.com which says Coming soon “This domain name has recently been reserved”
Care to speculate on who grabbed it?
The Soros bunch makes G. Gordon Liddy look like a piker. I wonder how long his henchmen can hold their hand over a candle or if they have ever caught, cooked, and eaten a rat.
My commenters are cool. Did anyone live-blog or comment last night?
I also forgot about this until catching Powerline this morning – another thing that made the debates last night so interesting was Gwen Ifill’s moderation. She asked tough questions of both candidates and at one point, the candidates had lost track of where they were with respect to her questions as she sat very cool, firm and in control of the process. She did a great job. I remember looking at my husband and asking “Is it me or are we watching a fair – and tough – moderator?”
I thought Dick Cheney was great. I don’t go for the “flash and style” of John Edwards. I’m much more of a straight shooter, myself. My favorite part though, came after the debate when Tom Brokaw pointed out that even if you thought Cheney was great, to remember that he and Bush were a package deal. LOL. I’m trying to find the exact quote…the veiled acceptance that Cheney had won coming from the Brokawster’s mouth. If anyone has the exact quote, I’d like to know what it is…thanks!
Hey, I like catchy titles, too. As a matter of fact, LaShawn, I liked this one so much, I accidentally commented on it in your previous post. Even though I had egg all over my face, it’s nice to hear that others did too.
Shrek vs Breck.
Cheney was solid not stolid.
Edwards was puppy dog yappy. Nice hair though.
Like the draft brouhaha, some hay will be made this week with the comment by Paul Bremer that, in his opinion, we should have had more troops in in Iraq. Leaving behind that this is not what he said, I would hope that either Mr. Bush or Mr. Cheney would point out that the troop levels are not set by Ambassadors but by the generals and the generals claim that they have gotten all they’ve asked for.
if by “buy” you mean “hijack”. Though thats now what conservatives usually mean when they use those word.s
Cheney actually said factcheck.com, which is what Soros linked to his site. Anyone who gets there will quickly realize it’s not what Cheney was referring to unless they’re complete idiots.
Soros is a clever slimball. I went to factcheck.org about 20 seconds after Cheney had mistakenly said factcheck.com The server was swamped for some time. I think it took courage to reference a site that is very critical of both the Republicans and Democrats. Would give you an example but the website is swamped again. They just mentioned the website on Fox News so I’m not surpised that I get a “Server Too Busy” error.
Jeff Blanco said, “Cheney said everything that we wanted Bush to say the other night. I hope Bush doesn’t come out acting like Ghandi the next time.”
I just discovered your blog Jeff and had just read that when I came into this comment section. Weird…
LB – Shame on you – you should have watched
. It WAS NOT boring -not very flashy but NOT boring. My fav line from Cheney was when he noted that he has no political aspirations beyone VP – therefore Bush can trust him for honest answers. Also, just thinking that Edwards is a heartbeat away from the big chair makes me shake. No matter the man’s experience/sucess as a a lawyer he has no qualifications for VP or Prez.
I’m from the South and accents don’t really bother me but listening to Edward’s accent just made me want to slap him. Gheez -I was wiping the spit off my face from just watching him yap.
When the intros were going around did anyone pickup on how silly Edwards acted when he looked into the camera? Like he was in some game show rather than a VP debate. YES, I AM BIASED! haha
Cheney did what Bush didn’t do last week and that was bring up their record. Hopefully Bush will do a much better job this Friday nite.
Most of these news guys love Kerry/Edwards! Again I thought Cheney brought it for an old guy. Bush better bring it Friday, are these News guys will be salivating the whole weekend. Don’t God for football, that’s where you can legally hit your opponent HARDDDD!!!! Someone should call the tackle guy to hit Brokaw and Chris Matthews.
I think the Cocker Spaniel piddled on the carpet last night.
Hey, what’s with this “old guy” stuff. We gray panthers can handle ourselves quite nicely, thank you. Based on last night’s debate who would you rather have with you in a dark alley in a bad part of the world (the Middle East or Iraq for example), John Edwards, the nice slicked down kid or the balding “old timer”, Dick Cheney?
It was a clear, convincing butt whipping! The kind that only a wise, seasoned “old timer” can give.
Cheney made the mistake. He said factcheck.com as he said it I checked it because I thought it was a mistake.
It was an empty parked domain during the debate, after they put a redirect to Soro’s site.
Fast work by the anti-bush crew.
To bad they would be less effective fighting terror.
Usually I hate debates. This one was quietly intense and substantive. I’m surprised that anyone thinks it was close.
By contrast with Cheney, who is only a few years older, Edwards seemed callow and boyish. As the debate wore on, he became increasingly animated. His hands flailed. He rocked and bobbed and emoted. Cheney sat there like a mountain, while his brain did easy laps around the excitable boy.
Edwards’ answers wandered. Predictably, he inserted trial lawyer heartstring-tugging but it was pure canned cornpone. In their final statements, Edwards recited his stump demagoguery about the dying American Dream. One size fits all. He’ll be using it when he’s seventy. Cheney reminded viewers that we’ve been attacked, people are trying to kill us, war is serious work, and we need grownups in charge.
Great zinger at the end, Scott.
Cheny and Bush are just warming up.
I believe Bush “played dumb” last week just to get the Dems off guard.
I can’t wait for Bush to bury Kerry.
Dear Conservatives:
When race is discussed liberals stink. Culture trumps race. The only grandchessmaster who is black comes from the islands. Immigrants, or their children, seen to do better (black, white, or asian) than people whose families have been in the USA for generations. No study done, however carefully, LB, in North Carolina can factor out culture. It can factor out money, education of family, school grades, etc. but not culture! Read articles by Walter Williams, Armstrong Williams, and Star Parker in Townhall.com. None of the mentioned or Dr. Condi Rice can be “black” because they are conservative. My parents’ blood would boil if they were alive! I had a fourteen year old say that a fellow stduent was not black because both parents had a college degree and the “mother was a middle school math teacher”. One of my friends’ son is on a Forensic scholarship whose school have been national and international champions each year!
I have little training in race but a lot in physical measurement and mathematics.
JMB
Frank, You’re not playing dumb are you?
My opinon on the debate: Cheney-1st, Gwen-2nd, John Jr-3rd.
I would be interested to know how Gwen Ifill prepared for this. (Hey LB, that might be a newsworthy interview!) Her colleague Jim Lehrer kept Bush on the defensive and never threw a fastball at Kerry.
Having seen slanted reporting from Ifill, I expected the worst. But she was evenhanded. Did she solicit questions from liberals and conservatives beforehand? Whatever she did, I hope it becomes standard practice.
Not that there weren’t weaknesses. Missile defense and immigration are more pressing than some of the domestic issues they fumbled at. The final third of the debate was ragged, as Edwards tried to cram in all his unused material. But overall, it was substantive and worth watching. The moderator deserves credit.
Frank,
Whatever the problem was, Bush seemed unready. He hasn’t had a debate or anything like it in four years. Kerry debated all through the primaries.
Even so, Kerry didn’t bounce. His numbers didn’t move. They didn’t move when he selected his veep, didn’t move after a three-day DNC infomercial, and didn’t move with his debate ‘victory’. He has maxxed out in the mid-forties.
If GW performs well on Friday, this thing is over.
Good points about Gwen; she pleasantly surprised us as we watched. We expected her to blend into the scenery a la Jim Lehrer, and she seemed to really blindside Edwards with some of the her questions. I loved when she asked the candidates to compare themselves without mentioning their candidates and Edwards went into another canned speech and oops! mentioned Kerry twice.
Did anyone catch that Edwards said Kerry would send 40,000 more troops into Iraq? And I could hear the ba-dum-pum drum after Cheney said the first time he met Edwards was on the stage. Great debate, better than I expected.
If I were Soros, I’d worry about my afterlife.
Bush toured hurricane-stricken Florida in the blistering heat all day before his debate; Kerry got a manicure. Is it any wonder which candidate was more rested?
LB: Blog last night
Yeah. Some of your readers did.
factcheck.org was most likely redirected by the owner. I pulled the index.html file and it was a redirect in the file. This is simple to do. My guess is the owner redirected it himself. It doesn’t really make a hill of beans. Cheney should know better than to outsource information. He should have told viewers to go to the GWB website and find links to third party univerities, etc. there.
One big Cheney blunder: Haliburton.
Why couldn’t Dick Cheney have simply said regarding Halliburton “While I was CEO, Clinton awarded my company 7 billion in no bid contracts for Bosnia support. Was Clinton part of this vast conspiracy also? BTW, now I don’t get any divendends, etc. and I’m quite wealthy. So, sending our men and women into harms way isn’t something I’m will to do to earn a buck, even if I could manage it. (I’d like to have seen a classic Cheney expletive end that kind of statement. But, a gentlemanly approach would have sufficed).
BTW, importation of foreign (unregulated) drugs is a BAD IDEA. Why do we let people float that idea? Why not just lift FDA restrictions on distribution and abolish patents?
I watched. I am surprised how many people were impressed by Ms. Ifill. I wasn’t. Not only did she throw hardballs at Cheney and softballs at Edwards, she didn’t moderate. She didn’t take either to task for going back to tlast question or staying on target. At one point she even forgot who’s turn it was and gave rebuttal time back to Edwards. She wasn’t that great. Her worst question: Do you feel personally attacked when Vice President Cheney talks about liability reform and tort reform and the president talks about having a trial lawyer on the ticket? Give me a break.
My take on Cheney. Could have been more precise and to the point with regard to Haliburton. Could have answered the divided America question better. My first response was “how divided are we really?” We won’t know until after the election.
Impressions of Edwards: He took Cheney to task for not answering a question about jobs and poverty by talking about education. He then told us how his father was learning math on TV so he could earn more money at the mill. So education = more earning power. Also his hands – they were so well manicured. Has he ever done any labor? His S corporation tax question was a dodge by handing it off to the “Halliburton pays corporate taxes too” answer. He shouldn’t have been allowed. He is a one man corporation that paid himself dividends to avoid paying medicare taxes. It is a lot different than a large corporation.
Sorry my excerpt got cut-off La Shawn. I didn’t mean to litter on your site.
Anyway, check out the trackback post above, complete with links to a google search on senate.gov of Kerry and Edward no-shows. Based on their voting records, I think they should be disqualified from the race. It’s disgusting.
Hey. I see you finally got trackbacks working to Dean’s World.
If you keep having trouble, please send me an example of the trackback URL you’re using so I can check it.
Cheney probably decided before the debate not to get into Halliburton. He can defend himself in exhaustive detail, if he wants, in another time and place.
Polls repeatedly show that Halliburton does not exist as an issue except among Michael Moore neo-Marxists. Cheney can’t convince them. Basically, he shrugged it off, to Edwards’ evident frustration.
If you look a little deeper at the comment by Dick Cheney, concerning having never met John Edwards, it was a brilliant statement.
People in the MSM are chalking it up as an error on Cheney’s part, a lie or cheap shot. However, I don’t think so.
It was a “no lose” situation for Cheney. I think it was more calculated than it appears on the surface.
The Bush/Cheney camp know that every word will be scrutinized and factcheck will be involved. If Cheney makes the comment and no one follows up on it, the blow has been delivered to Edwards. If the media does pick up on it, and try to make it an issue, the perception is that even when Edwards IS there, he’s not remarkable. When he is there, Cheney doesn’t even remember. Just a thought.
Stephen,
Maybe Cheney should emphasize the point: “Allow me to offer a sincere apology. It does appear that Senator Edwards and I have met before, perhaps on multiple occasions. I simply had no memory of him. He never made an impression. From now on, I will try to remember him.”
Lyle
Nice…I like it!
It was a “no lose” situation for Cheney.
Cheney is old, senile and doesn’t remember things, or makes statements which haven’t been fact checked? Sorry, but the spinmeisters will have a field day.
bah…moderator…shmoderator….
I listened to the debate, rather than watching it.
That way I wasn’t influenced by body language or “Fluffy’s” hair.
I think the Liberal moderator sucked.
I say the next debate, in all fairness, should be moderated by Ann Coulter.
I know she’d ask tough questions of both Bush and Skerry.
just sayin’….
I was wondering last night when I heard V.P. Dick Cheney say Factcheck.com….wtf… he must have just mixed up what he was going to say (I thought to myself)…the interesting thing is the fact that regardless of the point Factcheck.org is correct but i noticed that factcheck.com was a “Public library” type of web site seconds after Cheney goofed it up last night…… but then minutes later it was a George Soros site……..in other words George Soros hijacked or took over the factcheck.com site minutes after original incident occurred?
actus,
Please sign on as an advisor for the Kerry campaign. They need your political acumen and sound judgment. They should really push that brainstorm about Cheney being senile.
Yeah, have fun spinning: too old & senile to remember Edwards, but has a grasp on the minutae.
Like I said on the other post, and mentioned by Stephen on this, Cheney threw ambigious stuff out there just begging to be fact-checked which will only lead Kerwards into a deeper quagmire. Fact is Cheney knows his facts, and Edwards just knows talking points and it showed — a couple of times Edwards looked like a fish knocked out of the water with his mouth pumping away.
For those who think Gwen Ifil was biased in her moderation(no pun intended), could it be you are viewing her through a bias?
It’s neither fair to call Cheney’s gaff a lie, nor put words in his mouth. In context, he was saying he’d not seen the Senator at work – ya know, there Cheney spends a lot of time as President of the Senate. Go watch that silly video that “proves” Cheney a liar. He doesn’t so much as look at Edwards. It’s not that he’s old and stuffy. He was passing him and Edwards shoved his hand in front of him as he was moving toward a chair.
That’s NOT A MEETING. How many times over the past three years did Edwards engage Cheney over legislation? Isn’t that important? I’m guessing the answer is zero.
Cheney should have worded his statement more clearly. He should have said “This guy has never so much as discussed a single piece of legislation with me on the Senate floor in the past three and a half years.” Nobody debates that. No, I could claim I bushed past La Shawn once in a hallway four years ago. She’d have to take my word for it. We’ve never MET.
“They should really push that brainstorm about Cheney being senile.”
Just saying you don’t want to be promoting that your candidate talks about things he doesnt’ remember.
“Just saying you don’t want to be promoting that your candidate talks about things he doesnt’ remember.”
How about remembering things he didn’t do? Like spending Christmas in Cambodia?
Better to forget meeting an forgetable pretty boy than to have fantasies based on a movie seared (seared!) into ones brain.
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