Update II (10/9): I hear rumblings in the comment section about Kerry’s plans. I think I know where they may be. See this link.
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This is the after-debate post. Who won the debate and what is your overall assessment? You know what I think!
Wrap-up around the blogosphere… Haughty. What a word! Go see Michelle Malkin. Blogs for Bush: “Bush Wins!” Did you expect anything less?
Read the Bear’s final thoughts. Sean Hackbarth says: “Bush was more aggressive.”
Read Power Line’s post-debate post. Stephen’s still gone. Check out live-commenter Jeff’s poll. INDC Journal makes an appearance! Wizbang’s debate wrap-up.
Update (10/9): From blogger Jane’s 8 year-old daughter: “Kerry should not be president because he has NO care for are country. He wants to rase taxis. He believed about wepins of mass dostroshin but now he doubts. He is a mud slinger. Bush only cares about being good and not being cool. Kerry will do aneything to get what he wants. Vote for Bush not Kerry.”
Cute and funny. And I forgot to post this:
Michael King says, “Ultimately, I think Bush won this debate…”
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Bush needed a win tonight, and he pulled it off. Kerry was too repetetive and too stuffy. Does anyone else think Kerry sounds like Thurston Howell III from Gilligan’s Island?
Be sure to vote on debate at sites below. The dem minions are out in droves to load these up against the President. Please vote for winner of debate:
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Philadelphia Inquirer: http://wwwphilly.com/
South Florida Sun-Sentinel: http://www.sun-sentinel.com/
And be sure to check the websites of your local newspapers and TV stations for online polls. It is crucial that you do this in the minutes immediately following the debate.
Mensch, I’ll second that.
Better yet, Kerry was off balance all the way thru. I guess he expended too much mental fact-checking and anti-flip-floping to sufficiently focus on the questions.
I still think Kerry looks/sounds like Herman Munster and Thurston Howell the third had a love child.
I loved when J Kerry invoked Michael J Fox…
You could almost see him trying to think of someone he knows that most Americans like, so that he could jump on their coat tails…
Teddy Kennedy… no, too many bridge and date rape jokes
Ben Affleck… no, even more smug than me
Alec Baldwin… too Alec Baldwiny
Michael J Fox… hey, that’s the ticket! People love him still, right? Little Alex Keaton… he even played a Regan republican!!!
That’s funny, SCSIwuzzy.
Jim R, I got a better suggestion, don’t vote on the online polls and let the DEMs stack it. Let them have this laugh and get cocky whilst we get the last laugh on 11/3
La Shawn! You’re still up. We must have bogged your server. Seems every other time, I had to resubmit or refresh due. You even cut me off on the live post when you closed the post, but just as well. hehehe
I’m about to turn in, Andy. Things were a little bogged down. Surprisingly, most of the traffic came (still coming) from sites like Power Line and not Instapundit.
Since the dems are skewing the online polls, come vote on mine.
I think Bush handily won the debate. Kerry had a few moments but Bush promptly shot back on almost all attacks.
Bush looked good and seemed to have his ducks in a row. I am glad Bush finally went after Kerry’s extremely poor senate record. There isn’t much to defend there.
Nice blog La Shawn. Thanks
W wins! But the media is going to spin the “Charlie Gibson moment” - I assure you. I’ve already heard some comment that the President “charged after” Gibson - with what weapon?
Got to love Bush, best part of the debate was when Kerry said the President owned a lumber company. Bush says, “hey, wanna buy some wood?” LOLOL
My analysis,
the President came out swinging tonight. Looked alot more prepared for this debate and seemed to have been a little more loose. The pre-debate prep that he did showed tonight. I thought he was a bit more combative and showed greater command of the issues tonight.
Meanwhile, I noticed Kerry showed some uncharacteristic babbling and hesitation when explaining his viewpoints? As a result, I had to give the debate to the President.
Bush seemed more willing to mix it up and go after the Senator; reminding the public of Kerrys’ senate accomplishments(or lack thereof).
As for the audience, I thought that some of the questions were skewed, but what did you expect? Overall, it was a better debate(from the point of the supporters of the President(myself included).
At one point, Kerry had to continuely go back to a previous point and clear up a point he made.
The knockout punch came towards the end of the debate and the blonde asked Kerry about would he use federal dollars to fund abortion programs? Kerry did everything he could to dodge the question. Bush came out with an emphatic answer immediately Kerry heemed and hawed.
Good showing Mr President.
Okay. I have now watched the debate six ways from
Sunday. Heard all the blather. At least twice.
What struck me was that Kerry was hard put to put
cogent sentences/arguments together. He babbled.
Lots of cliches and talking points but STILL …
mostly incoherent. I have talked to others who
viewed the same thing I saw and they found him …
on point. Dead right on.
Bush was speaking real time with his mouth well
connected to his brain. And well. VERY well.
I see the spin and have to surmise that the
pundits are … SHOCKED that W had it in him to
perform so well.
Here is the bottom line.
Bush did exceedingly well in both presentation
AND delivery. His content was almost without …
question.
Kerry was taken aback and on the defensive from
word one. He relied on hackneyed sound bites like
a man on crutches. And stumbled more. It is a
good thing he wasn’t trying to navigate an icy
sidewalk.
The pundits on one side call it a draw and truly
believe that. THEY were not listening to Kerry,
only watching with rapt attention his demeanor.
On the other side, they say Bush FINALLY saved
his bacon and thank Gawd for that.
Neither is correct.
Bush kicked Kerry’s ass. Pure and simple. No
holds barred. AND in a VERY entertaining way.
The people who viewed it will come away with a
feeling of confidence in W. And a … disdain
for the smallness of Kerry.
It will take until next week to show this to be
so.
It is the weekend. Thank Carl Rove for that.
Everybody’ll be trying to squeeze the last bit
of summer out of this fall and too busy to worry
about the debate.
But when they come back to work on Monday and rehash it all … Bush’s numbers will gain 7 points across the board. Across the country.
Now, all we have to worry about is the NEXT 3
weeks.
Nice blog La Shawn. Stay with it. It is the …
best way to be heard in a cacophony of mutes.
Steel
Well done, Mr. President. George W. looked real while Kerry looked mechanical and swarmy.
President Bush needs to remind voters how Kerry voted against the Gulf War, still a big deal. And hammer home the inconsistent record Kerry created.
In addition, President Bush should draw the conclusion that both Kerry & Edwards have not shown up to vote and responsibly fullfill their elected responsibilities in the Senate.
No-show Senators even called “Senator Gone”—
how can America elect these political servants whose attendance & accomplishments are so lacking– to the important office of President of the United States?
The two Johns desire to global test issues with Europe is unsettling. Tks for letting me comment here.
I’m actually now thinking of the theory that the president actually THREW the first debate simply to lower expectations for this … pass it around. >:)
Too late, Jim R. The Dems are almost certainly using a bot …
It was a good debate. Bush is POTUS and he got tough, or as other’s put it…came out with a punch. I want that in my president. A tough guy staying the course.
Kerry was good and is excellent in a debate. He sure has style and carisma and did seem genuine. I do want him to lay our his plan and not tell us to go to his web site. Millions, millions of people have at least one television in their home and one radio. Millions do not have the internet yet and that is not just because they are poor, but have not felt there was a reason to buy a computer and know they can go to a library to get time there using one.
Some senior citizens say they are not sure how they would really need to own one other than how it would be fun to learn to see pictures of their grandchildren through the video camera’s.
Kerry needs to lay out his plans and stop telling us to go to the internet typing, Kerry.com
Listening to CSPAN this morning and I am hearing some interesting things. Many of the callers are either saying that Bush won or came across much stronger. Wow!!
Read the debate, and once again thought that the President had more substance to his points.
Once again, I was surprised by how Kerry came across as babbling. No, this is REALLY attempting to be objective. Kerry is known for being an excellent debator. Well, he seemed to give just talking points last night. He had that “used car salesman” attitude. Toothy grins,long wandering replies, and too much salesmanship.
Ok Ok I am a hopeless hack
Sorry about the tact I took during the live commentary LaShawn. It was inappropriate. I posted an apology f/ the use of scripture, but you had just closed the comment section. Kiki, SCSIWuzzy, and Andy, it isn’t that I “don’t like” the President, it’s a question of policy. As for mentioning his faith, I did so because the President does. Enjoy the race.
I think that the bar for debate success was set so low from Bush’s performance in the first debate, that as long as he does better than that, some will say Bush wins subsequent debates.
That doesn’t make it true. Bush doesn’t appear to grasp policy questions and real world nuance as well as his opponent, and his mistakes, in debate and policy, stem from that.
Bush 0, Kerry 2.
bLogcis: “With a few exceptions, opinions about who won appear to be divided along party lines.”
Did you notice how conservatives are more willing to be ‘fair’ when it comes to judging the debates. The President got a drubbing by many conservatives for his performance in the last debate.
Hell would have to freeze over first before you will see a liberal give their candidate ‘a discouraging word’. But then we just aren’t full of hate, are we. We don’t act like spoiled children when we don’t get out way.
Andy: “Jim R, I got a better suggestion, don’t vote on the online polls and let the DEMs stack it.”
Notice that many of the poll sites I listed are in the ’swing’ state media. Undecideds are persuaded by what others are saying in the media, because they don’t know what they want.
I was watching MSNBC after the debate, and they kept repeating their online poll results of about 70% for Kerry.
This has an effect on people who are not sure. The ones who count!
It is not too late to vote in most of these polls. Go to:
TV.MSNBC.COM to vote all weekend.
How rude was Kerry to that audience?
By looking around here I can tell there isn’t anyone making over 200K a year? (paraphrased)
What does that mean, exactly? He didn’t see any Armani suits, so he made an assumption about people’s wealth and worth? No wonder the audience crowded around Bush after the debate. Kerry became noticeably upset when he realized everyone there wanted to speak to Bush and not him. Buh bye, sKerry.
Mr. Lamb Jr.,
“Bush doesn’t appear to grasp policy questions and real world nuance as well as his opponent, and his mistakes, in debate and policy, stem from that.”
Not only does Bush grasp policy questions, he outclassed Kerry on that very topic. Kerry’s “nuance” is the same ideology Carter used to lose the cold war. In a world of jihad, we have to be strong against our enemy, not “nuanced”.
Factcheck Kerry Mr. Lamb Jr., and you’ll find his “mistakes and policies” are the more disingenuous of the two.
OOOO RAHHH!!!!
Dubya pulled it off Be*A*utifuly.
Well done Mr. P
The only thing that comes out of Kerry’s pie hole is:
I HAVE A PLAN I HAVE A PLAN I HAVE A PLAN
I HAVE A PLAN I HAVE A PLAN I HAVE A PLAN
I HAVE A PLAN I HAVE A PLAN I HAVE A PLAN
I HAVE A PLAN I HAVE A PLAN I HAVE A PLAN
I HAVE A PLAN I HAVE A PLAN I HAVE A PLAN
I HAVE A PLAN I HAVE A PLAN I HAVE A PLAN
I HAVE A PLAN I HAVE A PLAN I HAVE A PLAN
I HAVE A PLAN I HAVE A PLAN I HAVE A PLAN
I HAVE A PLAN I HAVE A PLAN I HAVE A PLAN
Well I have a question as does most of America:
WHAT THE HECK IS YOUR PLAN?
All blather and no substance. Oh and don’t get it twisted podna’. We ALL heard you say you would not raise taxes..PERIOD, yet your boyz in the media are trying to put the words in your mouth that you would not raise “middle class” taxes. CNN in particular is spinning your words big time. Don’t even try it Senator. You are on record as saying you will not raise taxes. A lie like that makes even Bill Clinton look like Mother Teresa.
Good job Mr. President in finally exposing this SUPER-LIBERAL’S RECORD. About time someone held this lightweight accountable.
Oh and one last thing, did I actually here poodle boy say he has been “CONSISTENT” on every issue? Please tell me he was just making light hearted humor, but I am sure that not even his psycho wife (Da Rayza) doesn’t even believe that garbage. To see someone lie so easily like Kerry and Clinton simply amazes me. What amazes me more are the number of morons in this country who actually fall for it. To say the US educational system needs fixing is an understatement. Now I know what some of you are saying. What about Bush’s lies? And I say to you, when you can produce the actual lie or lies that he has told then we have a discussion.
Ray Coleman
Tampa, FL
Hey Joshua,
OOO-RAAAH is great, but may I also add a big….
HOO-AAAAAAAAAAAAH! Courtesy of the 3rd Battalion/75th Ranger Regiment.
BUSH LEADS THE WAY!!!!
I’ve asked it a million times…what exactly is “winning the peace?”
I thought Bush did a great job coming back and not letting Kerry slap him around so much. The panicked expression was replaced with a more confident smirk. The media will never be happy with him, so I take their communal “he was too aggressive” comments with a grain of salt.
Great post. Just wanted to give a OOO-RAHHH to all those current and former Marines like myself. And a HOO-AAHHH to all the soldiers out their also!
What a great country!
Raise your conservative voices on multiple campaign issues at:
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OK, I’m going to say it since no one else will. Am I the only one who thinks that John Edwards - wife is disrespecting him by not making herself more presentable for her husband’s NATIONAL campaign?
With all of her wealth, you’d think she’d care more about her own appearance just for GP. Lord knows she can afford a dietician and a health club membership.
John edwards says America’s image has suffered around the world? OK, so tell me how your sporting of - and John Kerry dragging around the - he calls his wife improves that image?
Inappropriate remarks about appearances deleted. - Admin
Easy on the upper case letters Ray Coleman. Like your candidate, you tend to shout. President Bush should steer clear of analysis of the Dred Scott Decision, the tax laws for small businesses, and school funding. Karl Rove has his work cut out for him.
raymond,
I think we should do the best that we can and stay on the issues. I do not care in the least what Edwards’ wife looks like at all. To be quite honest, I think a women who has some weight on her is much more attractive than a skinny toothpick. Guess what? That’s a preference. I would hope that as a republican and a conservative that we could focus on Kerry/Edwards senate records and not on their wives(at least in regards to their appearances or looks). It’s not for us to judge or like them.
PS They all can’t be as attractive as LaShawn.
Easy on the condescension, Mr. Bayne, like your candidate, you tend to talk down to folks while looking down your nose.
And Dominic,
Too right. (on all counts)
I just want to know who the truly bored looking woman in the back row was. She seemed bored, put out and generally unhappy to be there.
She had a longer face than John Keryy!
Raymond, you’re scaring me again.
Raymond Coleman
“WHAT THE HECK IS YOUR PLAN?”
Go on the internets. johnkerry.com has a 200 some page pdf for you to download.
200 pages just to tell us what the plan is? What a waste of time and effort in putting that together. We shouldn’t have to go to the website, we should hear it short, simple & sweet.
Just as in war, the first thing to get tossed out after an election is the plan. Battles are driven by the realities on the ground, yet guided by a strategic objective. I don’t give a hoot for sKerry’s plan, let alone Bush’s.
The makeup of the legislature is going to drive either administration’s outcome. What matters is each candidate’s vision for where we ought to be at the end of game.
Bloviating on 200 pages about a plan is just a bunch of hi-falutin garbage to disguise his overarching moonbatic vision for gubmint-run everything — a royal PapaStaat in the mold of Chirac and Schroeder. Either that is evidence of a profound cluelessness as to how things are run in DC, or a cynical condescension of Joe Q. Public’s desire and wishes concerning the direction we as a country take.
What’s sKerry gonna do if he wins the White House but solidly loses both houses in the Lege? Odds are very strong that regardless of who wins the WH, congress is going to be firmly controlled by the GOP. Is he gonna whine about the bad ole GOP meanies that won’t pass any of his proclamations?
“200 pages just to tell us what the plan is? What a waste of time and effort in putting that together. We shouldn’t have to go to the website, we should hear it short, simple & sweet.”
Its also got a summary. Its got whatever level of detail you need, so there’s no need to whine.
At least he has a plan. What’s the alternative? Medicare dashed to the HMO’s? More children and teachers Left Behind? No exit plan for Afghanistan? Hatred of us abroad?
Three points (I love the I HAVE A PLAN I HAVE A PLAN post!):
1. I totally agree Kerry was disrespectful to that audience. Every time he referred to a speaker by their first name, I wanted them to reply, “go ahead, John.” What a condescending moron.
2. Is anyone else getting really tired of the Kerry name-dropping? My dh found that if you google all the names you find out some interesting things. Like the General Whats-his-name Kerry refers to actually was already slated for retirement when he started talking down Bush.
3. Kerry’s approach is what I call a scatter-gun approach. He spends his entire 2 minutes throwing out points/lies/deceptions/names that it’s not humanly possible for anyone to respond in the 1 1/2 minute response time. Like Cheney said about Edwards, another scatter-gunner, “I don’t know where to start, there are so many inaccuracies.”
I pray every night that the American people begin to see this fool for what he is.
Take heart ya’ll. sKerrie (sKerry’s sister) utterly failed to derail the Howard administration down under. Howard won by a landslide.
Word has it that Lantham (ozKerry) was so sure of victory, he didn’t even have a speech prepared to concede his miserable failure. bwwwahahaha.
Let’s see how the MSM tries to spin this on the Sunday morning circuit.
Plan-splan. lucky for the eco-freaks, thousands of trees didn’t have to die to get the blather out.
sKerry’s marginalization the contributions of the coalition proves how delusional he is.
Moonbats that marginalize the power of congress are truly blinded by the razzle-dazzle of sKerry’s opus.
*Carol Burnett and Friends theme song playing in the background*
We see Bush mopping the floor with Kerry and his fluffy mop hair.
Haha, i KNEW there would be a post with this as the title. I’d call the debate closer than Kerry’s last demolition of Bush. Hard to call. However, i saw Bush trying to argue with the neutral moderator - which is always a bad, bad, stupid, stupid thing to do and this should work against him. From polls that ive seen, the majority of people think Kerry just about won. Also, it seems to be having an affect in pulling swing voters towards him. Bush is now on the backfoot, whereas a couple of weeks ago he was in a stronger position than Kerry. I dont see how this can be claimed as a Bush victory.
For those who’s attitude about the war on terror has softened over the last 3 years, as well as those who need a reminder of why it is worth fighting, the Deterrence article at EjectEjectEject.com is a good read.
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No time to read all the comments, so not sure if this has already been said … but I feel like the people and the media won in last night’s debate too. Tough questions from both sides were asked. I felt like the questions were great and that Gibson did a good job in his selection. And of course, I think Bush won hands down.
Did anyone else notice how Kerry shook his head “NO” in response to the Bush question about buying wood? He needs none, already in possession of a headful.
I just emailed the White House to ask if they could send some firewood for the winter. They responded that since I live in Los Angeles they thought the wood could be put to better use elsewhere.
Ha! You all crack me up. To use a line from McDonalds, “I’m lovin’ it.”
On the Kerry Easter Island head, look at Glennbeck.com to see a photo of it on Page 2.
I think Kerry won. Bush seemed rattled on more than one occasion. There wasn’t a lot in it though
OK, Actus I went to http://www.johnkerry.com and read his “plan” on national security. Most of his “plan” is to get other countries to work and play well with us (or us with them if you take his point of view). This all sounds nice but is hardly a plan it only means we will try and talk about how we need to “do better to cooperate”. The one glaring thing of concrete value that stood out was “I will deploy every tool at our disposal.” However, within that same “plan” you find this gem “As President, I will stop this Administration’s program to develop a whole new generation of bunker-busting nuclear bombs.” Now I ask you, how can you deploy every tool at our disposal when you stop development of a whole class of weapons. This is illogical, plain and simple. Not only that, it completely over looks the reality of what is going on in the area of military deployment of other countries (especially Iran and N. Korea). There are several news reports on the net that show both of these countries are burrowing underground to hide their military R&D and deployment. Not to mention Al quidea’s penchant for going deep into caves. Has Mr. Kerry looked into a crystal ball and seen that there will never be a threat from a deep underground bunker full of nukes with a “bound for U.S.” sticker on them? Does he have that special knack for knowing what the future will bring as far as military development is concerned? OH, that’s right, he voted against those other generations of military hardware that was not going to be needed in the future. Things like, the patriot missile, the stealth bomber and fighter, etc. His record shows that he has not been credible in the past on national security, never has been never will be.
Another problem with Mr. Kerry’s plan is his abject inconsistency when it come to dealing with N. Korea. Mr. Kerry spends a great deal of words in his plan on the need to not “go it alone.” However, he then says that, “We should maintain the six party talks, but we must also be prepared to talk directly with North Korea.” Well once again Mr. Kerry, which is it? Talks alone or with other allies when engaging N. Korea?
Even with in his plan, Mr. Kerry tries to take different sides and by doing so, shows how inconsistent he is. We have a proven leader who takes a stand and has stuck with it. Finally, don’t even get me started on his “plan” for Iraq. He has said that we (I am serving in Iraq) need to be out of here in what was it, four years, six months, one year…. If we as a nation pick an arbitrary date, cut and run declaring victory and leave the job undone, then the soldiers who died here will be for nothing and my time here will have been wasted. Mr. Kerry don’t do me any favors, please. I have voted already and my choice was clear, I stand by the President on his determination to see a free and independent Iraq. This is the only way we can break up the terrorist’s incubator, by giving freedom and hope to the people from whom they recruit.
Talk about clutching at straws….i cant believe people are STILL rambling about Kerry’s ‘lack of plans’ despite the fact hes detailed them specifically. Much more so than Bush. ‘More of the same’ and ‘its hard work,’ anyone?
Good work Don. You’re still misreading some things though.
“He has said that we (I am serving in Iraq) need to be out of here in what was it, four years, six months, one year…. If we as a nation pick an arbitrary date, cut and run declaring victory and leave the job undone, then the soldiers who died here will be for nothing and my time here will have been wasted.”
He’s said he’ll try, and in a best case scenario, would start removing troops in six months and be completely out in 4 years. He acknowledges that its not what we need to do, but what we might be able to do. Its different than setting a deadline and sticking to it. I’ve had similar promises made to me, and I’ve understood where they come from.
I understand it has been spun differently. I think in essence this type of spin is what we are electing this Nov.
You’re absolutely right, Omar. Just look at Don’s post. The problem is, people don’t want to wade through 200 pages on Kerry’s website to finally get to the core of what he plans for our great country. Too bad, if more people knew what Kerry stands for instead of just that he’s “anybody but Bush,” they might think again about voting for him.
When I speak to Kerry supporters, I usually argue the facts, as in whatever his current position is. Almost 100% of the time they have no clue what Kerry stands for.
BIG BIG victory for the number 2 fighter against terrorism in the world!! Mr. John Howard of Australia, stand up and take a bow!! He easily smashed the anti-war Labourites down under, and, has help us immeasurably in Iraq and elsewhere. Bodes very well for GWB
Good post Carl. I think it will help here also. Add Australia to England as a friend in ‘deed’.
With Germany and France declining to support us, how short the memory of WWII and reconstruction, Berlin Flights, Normandy, etc. etc. Even if they doubted our move into Iraq, we earned their benefit of the doubt. I won’t forget.
Regarding lack of support by the political opposition in our own country, from the memoirs of Ulysses S. Grant:
“Experience proves that the man who obstructs a war in which his nation is engaged, no matter whether right or wrong, occupies no enviable place in life or history. Better for him, individually, to advocate ‘war, pestilence,
and famine’ than to act as obstructionist to a war already begun. The history of the defeated rebel will be honorable hereafter, compared with that of the Northern man who aided him by conspiring against his government while protected by it. The most favorable posthumous history the stay-at-home traitor can hope for is - oblivion.”
‘With Germany and France declining to support us, how short the memory of WWII and reconstruction, Berlin Flights, Normandy, etc. etc.’
And France and Germany are grateful for this. What you are suggesting in essence - that France and Germany should support the US no matter what is ridiculous. Why shouldnt the US ALWAYS support France in lousy decisions? Afterall, the old USA might not even exist if it werent for France. How short the memory of American revolution, the statue of liberty, WWI etc etc…
Wow, Ulysses S Grant…. what a President. One of the most corrupt of all time that is.
Kerry wants to race taxis…lol that was great.
Hey, Omar! France as our ally in the Revolution was governed by a king, Louis XVI. He was beheaded by the ruling junta in the Reign Of Terror. The Statue Of Liberty was a fine gift indeed although it cost more to build the foundation and pedestal she stands on than the statue itself had cost.
I’m no hater of France, but look at every one of their ex-colonies. Chaos, terror, disorganization, corruption, poverty, civil war, reign supreme. This stands in stark contrast to the ex-British colonies, most of which are democratic, peaceful, and relatively prosperous.
For the last 100 years they have mostly been in the way. Oh, I know, the Maquis helped the Allies during WW2. That was because the Maquis was comprised primarily of Communists, not a favored group among the Nazi hierarchy. Their best survival chances lay in getting the Allies into France ASAP.
My uncle was a Communist in the underground in Copenhagen. He was captured in 1942, spent three terrible years in Buchenwald. A strapping six foot, 200 pound young man he was repatriated in 1945 still six feet tall, but weighing 90 pounds. He died in an insane asylum in Copenhagen a few years later. Most of his saboteur friends were simply executed or died under torture.
Grant & Sherman won the War Between The States and as president Grant signed the bill outlawing the KKK.
Allan, Omar is the resident troll. But unlike the troll in the Billy Goats Gruff saga, Omar has a bungee cord and bounces back only to get re-butted.
Ray Coleman has the President’s ear!!!!!
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=2026&ncid=2026&e=1&u=/latimests/20041011/ts_latimes/majorassaultsonholduntilafterusvote
Bush to take my advice and level Fallujah and Najaf and Samarrah and any other terrorist scum pit AFTER he is re-elected. Time to put “Shock and Awe” back on the table. Like the article says, it may not be feasible to bring every city in the Sunni Triangle under US control, but it IS feasible to make them disappear. Bomber pilots, tank crews, artillery commanders and crusie missile programmers everywhere are rejoicing. Strap it on boys, we’re going back in.
GO GET ‘EM GEORGE!!!!
Bye-bye Sunni Triangle!!!!
HOO-AH!!!
THIS is how you fight a war!!!!!!
GEN GEORGE PATTON’S SPEECH
“Men, this stuff that some sources sling around about America wanting out of this war, not wanting to fight, is a crock of bu%%sh$#. Americans love to fight, traditionally. All real Americans love the sting and clash of battle. You are here today for three reasons. First, because you are here to defend your homes and your loved ones. Second, you are here for your own self respect, because you would not want to be anywhere else. Third, you are here because you are real men and all real men like to fight.
When you, here, everyone of you, were kids, you all admired the champion marble player, the fastest runner, the toughest boxer, the big league ball players, and the All-American football players. Americans love a winner. Americans will not tolerate a loser. Americans despise cowards. Americans play to win all of the time. I wouldn’t give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed. That’s why Americans have never lost nor will ever lose a war; for the very idea of losing is hateful to an American.”
The General paused and looked over the crowd. “You are not all going to die,” he said slowly. “Only two percent of you right here today would die in a major battle. Death must not be feared. Death, in time, comes to all men. Yes, every man is scared in his first battle. If he says he’s not, he’s a liar. Some men are cowards but they fight the same as the brave men or they get the hell slammed out of them watching men fight who are just as scared as they are. The real hero is the man who fights even though he is scared. Some men get over their fright in a minute under fire. For some, it takes an hour. For some, it takes days. But a real man will never let his fear of death overpower his honor, his sense of duty to his country, and his innate manhood. Battle is the most magnificent competition in which a human being can indulge. It brings out all that is best and it removes all that is base. Americans pride themselves on being He Men and they ARE He Men. Remember that the enemy is just as frightened as you are, and probably more so. They are not supermen.”
“All through your Army careers, you men have bitched about what you call “chicken s@#$ drilling”. That, like everything else in this Army, has a definite purpose. That purpose is alertness. Alertness must be bred into every soldier. I don’t give a @#$% for a man who’s not always on his toes. You men are veterans or you wouldn’t be here. You are ready for what’s to come. A man must be alert at all times if he expects to stay alive. If you’re not alert, sometime, a German son-of-an-@$$%$&*-@#$%^ is going to sneak up behind you and beat you to death with a sockful of s*#$!” The men roared in agreement.
Patton’s grim expression did not change. “There are four hundred neatly marked graves somewhere in Sicily”, he roared into the microphone, “All because one man went to sleep on the job”. He paused and the men grew silent. “But they are German graves, because we caught the bastard asleep before they did”.
The General clutched the microphone tightly, his jaw out-thrust, and he continued, “An Army is a team. It lives, sleeps, eats, and fights as a team. This individual heroic stuff is pure horse @#$%. The bilious @#$%^&*@ who write that kind of stuff for the Saturday Evening Post don’t know any more about real fighting under fire than they know about @#$%ing!”
The men slapped their legs and rolled in glee. This was Patton as the men had imagined him to be, and in rare form, too. He hadn’t let them down. He was all that he was cracked up to be, and more. He had IT!
“We have the finest food, the finest equipment, the best spirit, and the best men in the world”, Patton bellowed. He lowered his head and shook it pensively. Suddenly he snapped erect, faced the men belligerently and thundered, “Why, by God, I actually pity those poor sons-of-@#$%^&@ we’re going up against. By God, I do”. The men clapped and howled delightedly. There would be many a barracks tale about the “Old Man’s” choice phrases. They would become part and parcel of Third Army’s history and they would become the bible of their slang.
“My men don’t surrender”, Patton continued, “I don’t want to hear of any soldier under my command being captured unless he has been hit. Even if you are hit, you can still fight back. That’s not just bull @#$% either. The kind of man that I want in my command is just like the lieutenant in Libya, who, with a Luger against his chest, jerked off his helmet, swept the gun aside with one hand, and busted the hell out of the Kraut with his helmet. Then he jumped on the gun and went out and killed another German before they knew what the hell was coming off. And, all of that time, this man had a bullet through a lung. There was a real man!”
Patton stopped and the crowd waited. He continued more quietly, “All of the real heroes are not storybook combat fighters, either. Every single man in this Army plays a vital role. Don’t ever let up. Don’t ever think that your job is unimportant. Every man has a job to do and he must do it. Every man is a vital link in the great chain. What if every truck driver suddenly decided that he didn’t like the whine of those shells overhead, turned yellow, and jumped headlong into a ditch? The cowardly @#$%^&* could say, “Hell, they won’t miss me, just one man in thousands”. But, what if every man thought that way? Where in the hell would we be now? What would our country, our loved ones, our homes, even the world, be like? No, @#$%^&*@!, Americans don’t think like that. Every man does his job. Every man serves the whole. Every department, every unit, is important in the vast scheme of this war. The ordnance men are needed to supply the guns and machinery of war to keep us rolling. The Quartermaster is needed to bring up food and clothes because where we are going there isn’t a hell of a lot to steal. Every last man on K.P. has a job to do, even the one who heats our water to keep us from getting the ‘G.I. @#$@$’.”
Patton paused, took a deep breath, and continued, “Each man must not think only of himself, but also of his buddy fighting beside him. We don’t want yellow cowards in this Army. They should be killed off like rats. If not, they will go home after this war and breed more cowards. The brave men will breed more brave men. Kill off the @#$$%^&$! cowards and we will have a nation of brave men. One of the bravest men that I ever saw was a fellow on top of a telegraph pole in the midst of a furious fire fight in Tunisia. I stopped and asked what the hell he was doing up there at a time like that. He answered, “Fixing the wire, Sir”. I asked, “Isn’t that a little unhealthy right about now?” He answered, “Yes Sir, but the Goddamned wire has to be fixed”. I asked, “Don’t those planes strafing the road bother you? And he answered, “No, Sir, but you sure as hell do!” Now, there was a real man. A real soldier. There was a man who devoted all he had to his duty, no matter how seemingly insignificant his duty might appear at the time, no matter how great the odds. And you should have seen those trucks on the road to Tunisia. Those drivers were magnificent. All day and all night they rolled over those son-of-a-@#$%^ing roads, never stopping, never faltering from their course, with shells bursting all around them all of the time. We got through on good old American guts. Many of those men drove for over forty consecutive hours. These men weren’t combat men, but they were soldiers with a job to do. They did it, and in one hell of a way they did it. They were part of a team. Without team effort, without them, the fight would have been lost. All of the links in the chain pulled together and the chain became unbreakable.”
The General paused and stared challengingly over the silent ocean of men. One could have heard a pin drop anywhere on that vast hillside. The only sound was the stirring of the breeze in the leaves of the bordering trees and the busy chirping of the birds in the branches of the trees at the General’s left.
“Don’t forget,” Patton barked, “you men don’t know that I’m here. No mention of that fact is to be made in any letters. The world is not supposed to know what the hell happened to me. I’m not supposed to be commanding this Army. I’m not even supposed to be here in England. Let the first @#$%#@$#s to find out be the @#$%$#%$! Germans. Some day I want to see them raise up on their @#$$-soaked hind legs and howl, ‘Jesus Christ, it’s the Goddamned Third Army again and that son-of-a-@#$%^$#-@#$%#@ Patton’.”
“We want to get the hell over there”, Patton continued, “The quicker we clean up this @#$%^$# mess, the quicker we can take a little jaunt against the purple pi$$ing Japs and clean out their nest, too. Before the @#$$!#$%# Marines get all of the credit.”
The men roared approval and cheered delightedly. This statement had real significance behind it. Much more than met the eye and the men instinctively sensed the fact. They knew that they themselves were going to play a very great part in the making of world history. They were being told as much right now. Deep sincerity and seriousness lay behind the General’s colorful words. The men knew and understood it. They loved the way he put it, too, as only he could.
Patton continued quietly, “Sure, we want to go home. We want this war over with. The quickest way to get it over with is to go get the bastards who started it. The quicker they are whipped, the quicker we can go home. The shortest way home is through Berlin and Tokyo. And when we get to Berlin”, he yelled, “I am personally going to shoot that paper hanging son-of-a-@#$%^ Hitler. Just like I’d shoot a snake!”
“When a man is lying in a shell hole, if he just stays there all day, a German will get to him eventually. The hell with that idea. The hell with taking it. My men don’t dig foxholes. I don’t want them to. Foxholes only slow up an offensive. Keep moving. And don’t give the enemy time to dig one either. We’ll win this war, but we’ll win it only by fighting and by showing the Germans that we’ve got more guts than they have; or ever will have. We’re not going to just shoot the sons-of-@#$%^es, we’re going to rip out their living @#$%^$#@ guts and use them to grease the treads of our tanks. We’re going to murder those lousy Hun @#$%#@$^ers by the bushel-@#$%^&*-basket. War is a bloody, killing business. You’ve got to spill their blood, or they will spill yours. Rip them up the belly. Shoot them in the guts. When shells are hitting all around you and you wipe the dirt off your face and realize that instead of dirt it’s the blood and guts of what once was your best friend beside you, you’ll know what to do!”
“I don’t want to get any messages saying, “I am holding my position.” We are not holding a @#$%$#@#$ thing. Let the Germans do that. We are advancing constantly and we are not interested in holding onto anything, except the enemy’s $@lls. We are going to twist his $@lls and kick the living @#$@# out of him all of the time. Our basic plan of operation is to advance and to keep on advancing regardless of whether we have to go over, under, or through the enemy. We are going to go through him like crap through a goose; like @#$% through a tin horn!”
“From time to time there will be some complaints that we are pushing our people too hard. I don’t give a good @#$$@#% about such complaints. I believe in the old and sound rule that an ounce of sweat will save a gallon of blood. The harder WE push, the more Germans we will kill. The more Germans we kill, the fewer of our men will be killed. Pushing means fewer casualties. I want you all to remember that.”
The General paused. His eagle like eyes swept over the hillside. He said with pride, “There is one great thing that you men will all be able to say after this war is over and you are home once again. You may be thankful that twenty years from now when you are sitting by the fireplace with your grandson on your knee and he asks you what you did in the great World War II, you WON’T have to cough, shift him to the other knee and say, “Well, your Granddaddy shoveled @#$% in Louisiana.” No, Sir, you can look him straight in the eye and say, “Son, your Granddaddy rode with the Great Third Army and a Son-of-a-@!#$%^$#$-Bi@#$ named Georgie Patton!”
Ahh, I feel much better! See Ya!
“Bye-bye Sunni Triangle!!!!”
Ooh. A sunny genocide. that ought to warm up my november. And hopefully it will come along with some nice justifications from the talking heads on my Tee-Vee. Good ‘mericans we will all be, for we have always been at war with the sunnis.
Raymond the Pattonist.
Did you really doubt that Bush wouldn’t take off the velvet glove once he definitively won the re-election? Granted, the administration is denying the LAT report, but it does make sense that as long as he had the “stolen elction” hanging over his head, it’s been a game of nuanced political give & take, with sKerry & Co nipping and yapping at his heels like a pack of rabid Chihuahuas.
Nevertheless, letting it be known that our bullets are daubed in bacon grease ought to take some of the zeal out of the jihadiis.
Andy,
This is Bush’s chance at greatness. he has GOT to restart this battle and WIN IT this time. The souls of 1,000 Soldiers and Marines scream for it.
Black folk are listening Mr. President!!!!
Open invitation to the “Black Community”
John Kerry has NO RECORD, but President Bush does and here it is in detail. Be careful what you let your emotions make you do. Don’t let hate for Bush cause you to make a very bad choice on election day. We have asked Kerry for his record, he keeps hiding it. We asked President Bush for his and here it is.
I ask you to think about all of the people who bought homes during this administration at the lowest interest rates in history and with access to the most down payment assistance plans ever available. Do you really want to give that up by voting for Kerry just because someone says you are black and SUPPOSED to hate Bush?
How can we go to church on Sunday and learn to love and then have so much hate in our hearts for a Christian man over a man who denies his relationship with God.
MY GOD PEOPLE……THINK!!!!!!
http://www.georgewbush.com/AfricanAmericans/Default.aspx
The African American Team
Before you vote, know the facts. Before you vote, know what you will lose if you don’t vote for Bush. Before you vote, ask yourself and research, WHAT EXACTLY has Kerry done. What is his record. What legislation bears his name? Why is he rarely at work? What is he doing when he is not on the job doing what he is being paid to do?
EDUCATION: The President pushed through the “No Child Left Behind” Act to reform education by insisting every child be taught to read and every child receive a quality education.
FOR JOBS AND GROWTH: President Bush signed the largest tax relief package in history to help drive the economy forward.
THE VALUES OF THE HEARTLAND: Ending discrimination against faith-based charities.
HEALTH CARE: Expanding access to affordable, quality health care with Health Savings Accounts and more community health clinics.
OWNERSHIP: Low interest rates and pro-growth economic policies have helped minority home ownership to rise to over 50% for the first time ever.
Mrs. Laura Bush Helps Dedicate the National Underground Railroad Freedom Center
More detail….
JOBS AND EMPLOYMENT
Over the past three years, President Bush has proposed and signed into law three separate tax relief measures, resulting in the significant reduction in tax burdens for millions of American families and businesses.
Efforts to repeal this tax relief would result in an immediate increase in taxes on these same families and businesses.
The unemployment rate among African American workers has decreased in the past year from 10.9% in August of 2003 to 10.4%in August of 2004 (Bureau of Labor Statistics; 9/3/04).
Close to 15 percent of America’s small business owners are minorities, and the trend of minority ownership is accelerating. Under the President’s plan, small business owners would receive tax cuts averaging $3,000 this year.
An estimated one in five women-owned businesses is owned by a woman or women of color. As of 2002, there are an estimated 1.2 million privately-held firms that are majority-owned by women of color. These firms employ over 822,000 people and generate over $100 billion in revenues. In number, they are growing at twice the rate of all women-owned businesses and four times the rate of all U.S. firms. (Source: Small Business Administration/Center for Women’s Business Research)
African American buying power from 1990 to 2002 was $316.5 billion in receipts. Moreover, African Americans investing the stock market rose 30 percent in the past 5 years, according to Ariel Schwab Black Investor Survey.
The President will not be satisfied until every American looking for work has found a job.
In an effort to meet this goal, the President’s FY 2005 budget also includes:
More than $500 million for an initiative called Jobs for the 21st Century – designed to help current and future workers receive the skills and training they need to succeed in increasingly skilled jobs in the fastest growing industries;
Over $24 billion in small business lending and equity programs to encourage job creation.
An additional $6 million for the Minority Business Development Agency to continue to strengthen partnership with the private sector and other Federal, state, and local entities that help promote the growth of minority businesses.
HOMEOWNERSHIP
The President, in June 2002, announced the goal of increasing the number of minority homeowners by at least 5.5 million families before the end of the decade. Less than 18 months later, the Census estimated an increase of 1.53 million minority homeowners.
In the second quarter of 2004 – for the first time ever – the majority of minority households are now homeowners. The minority homeownership rate set a new quarterly record of 51%.
President Bush is working to increase homeownership.
President Bush signed the American Dream Down Payment Act into law in December 2003. This fund will help approximately 40,000 families a year with their down payment and closing costs.
Since 2001, President Bush has doubled the funding for housing counseling to help more than 550,000 families purchase their first home.
President Bush has proposed the Zero-Down Payment Initiative to help 150,000 families each year purchase their first home. The President’s plan would remove the greatest barrier facing first time, African American homebuyers — the lack of funds for a down payment on a mortgage.
President Bush has set a new public-private goal of increasing the supply of affordable housing by sever million over the next ten years.
The Homeownership Tax Credit will help develop nearly 50,000 affordable, single family homes annually.
EDUCATION
On May 17, 2004, President Bush honored the 50th Anniversary of Brown v. Board of Education – the landmark Supreme Court case that changed history and bettered our nation. “We tend to think of them as the distant dramas of a different country. Yet, segregation is a living memory, and many still carry its scars. The habits of racism in America have not all been broken. The habits of respect must be taught to every generation. Laws against racial discrimination must be vigorously enforced in education.” (Quote from President Bush on May 17, 2004)
In the past, too many African American students have been shortchanged by our nation’s schools.
According to the most recent data, by the time African American students reach the 12th grade, only one in six can read proficiently and only 3% are proficient in math.
The “achievement gap” measuring the difference in academic achievement between white and African American students is large and has gone unaddressed for too long.
The bi-partisan No Child Left Behind law is making sure schools are held accountable for the academic progress of every child, regardless of income, background, or race.
Because of No Child Left Behind, closing the achievement gap is now a national priority.
Schools are now help specifically accountable for the annual progress of African American students.
The soft bigotry of low-expectations will no longer be tolerated. Schools must now focus on those students that they have traditionally ignored.
Parents have more options for their children.
Now, parents with children in low performing or persistently dangerous schools have the option of having their child attend another public school or chose from over 1,600 state approved tutoring providers. Students will be provided with transportation to the new school.
Urban schools are improving under No Child Left Behind.
A study by the Council of the Great City Schools reviewed test scores from 61 urban school districts in 37 states and found significant improvement in reading and math in the first year under NCLB.
More African Americans Attending College
President Bush is committed increasing minority enrollment in college. Currently, 58% of African American high school students who graduated in 2003 are attending college. (Source: “College Enrollment and Work Activity Of 2003 High School Graduates,” Bureau of Labor Statistics, 4/27/04)
Funding For College
President Bush is committed to keeping college affordable for America’s low- and middle-income families by increasing funding for grants, low-interest student loans and tax breaks for working families.
Under President Bush’s 2005 budget, student aid would increase to more than $73 billion - an increase of $25.9 billion (55%) since 2001. Almost 10 million students – 2.3 million more than when President Bush took office – will receive support. The President’s 2005 budget provides $12.9 billion for Pell Grants - a 47% increase over 2001 levels – which will help 5.3 million low-income students pay for higher education. Low-income students may also receive up to $5,000 in financial aid to study math or science.
President Bush’s 2005 budget request includes $419 million – an $18.8 million or 4.7 percent increase — to assist minority higher education institutions, including Historically Black Colleges and Universities (HBCU) and Historically Black Graduate Institutions. The HBCU Board of Advisors passed a resolution commending the President for his commitment to historically black colleges demonstrated by increasing their funding by 30%.
COMPASSIONATE AGENDA
Faith – Based Initiative
Last year, approximately 100,000 men and women seeking treatment for drug addiction did not receive the help they needed. The President’s plan is designed to complement existing programs and ensure that Americans struggling with addiction have access to a comprehensive continuum of effective treatment and support service options, including faith-based and community-based programs, and ensure that these options are more readily available.
The Senate passed the President’s Faith Based initiative which encourages more charitable giving and rallies the armies of compassion. The President also wants to improve CARE Act legislation because Faith Based organizations have a track record of healing those in need of assistance.
Health Disparities. On April 20, 2004 the Honorable Tommy Thompson announced the creation of the Health Disparities Council, a new board charged with developing a plan to eliminate quality gaps in health care.
President Bush is committed to eliminating disparities in health care and is currently addressing racial disparities through support for research targeted at minorities’ health, providing more money for AIDS issues among minorities and increasing the number of community health centers in racial and ethnic minorities neighborhoods.
Expanding Community Health Centers. Since 2001, access has been extended to 2.2 million additional Americans — part of the President’s five-year plan to fund 1,200 new and expanded sites serving 16 million Americans.
Fight HIV/AIDS. The current HIV/AIDS pandemic combined with an inadequate health care system continues to handicap African, Caribbean, and other countries in pursuit of economic growth and poverty reducing policies.
In May 2003 President Bush signed into law the Global AIDS agreement providing $15 billion, over the next five years, to turn the tide against AIDS in the most afflicted nations of Africa and the Caribbean, virtually tripling the U.S. funding to fight HIV/AIDS.
Welfare reform means less poverty. According to the Department of Health and Human Services, there were 2 million families receiving welfare cash benefits in September 2003, the most recent month for which data is available. That is a 54 percent decrease from August 1996, when welfare reform was enacted, and a 1.2 percent decline from June 2003, when the previous report was released.
Child poverty rates are at or near historically low levels. Welfare reform has been a remarkable success and this is one of the most important outcomes we could have hoped to achieve. The overall child poverty rate has fallen from 20.5% in 1996 to 16.3% in 2001 - a 20% decline. The poverty rate for African American children is down 24% since 1996 and in 2001 reached it lowest level ever recorded.
‘Hey, Omar! France as our ally in the Revolution was governed by a king, Louis XVI. He was beheaded by the ruling junta in the Reign Of Terror.’
So what? This doesnt debunk my point that the USA was never likely to come into existence without French assistance. And, might i add….a ‘Reign of terror’ many Americans, including Jefferson supported.
‘For the last 100 years they have mostly been in the way.’
One word. World war 1. The French lost over 1 million soldiers in this war. Take a good hard look at that figure. Also, the French did not just surrender as the Germans came over the border. They fought hard, but their strategy, equipment and leadership were all dated.
‘My uncle was a Communist in the underground in Copenhagen. He was captured in 1942, spent three terrible years in Buchenwald. A strapping six foot, 200 pound young man he was repatriated in 1945 still six feet tall, but weighing 90 pounds. He died in an insane asylum in Copenhagen a few years later. Most of his saboteur friends were simply executed or died under torture.’
I take my hat off to this brave man. Its men like this that helped win the war, and reduce casualties in doing so. Being Armenian, my family is no stranger to both war and suffering either.
‘Allan, Omar is the resident troll. But unlike the troll in the Billy Goats Gruff saga, Omar has a bungee cord and bounces back only to get re-butted. ‘
What, rebutted by your sad little songs? Give me a break. You cant argue with me civilly whatsoever.
‘Bush to take my advice and level Fallujah and Najaf and Samarrah and any other terrorist scum pit AFTER he is re-elected.’
I see your tactics for ‘liberating’ the Iraqi people are how should we say, humanitarian? Remember why this war supposedly happened in the first place. I dont think even Bush would preach this kind of insane mantra.
‘it may not be feasible to bring every city in the Sunni Triangle under US control, but it IS feasible to make them disappear. Bomber pilots, tank crews, artillery commanders and crusie missile programmers everywhere are rejoicing. Strap it on boys, we’re going back in.’
You cant be serious.
I amd dead serious and who ever said this was a humanitarian mission? That kind of fluffy stuff comes AFTER you win the war. Death and destruction first and THEN you negotiate with what survives. But the good Iraqis have options.
In the words of the lead mobster in Ice Cube’s “Player’s Club”….
“Anyone who doesn’t want to get murdered? GET THE @!#$ OUT!! He then commenced to blasting. EVERYONE ran to get out of there including his target played by Bernie Mac. When Bernie MAc tried to sneak out, he was captured, thrown into the back of a car and never heard from again.
‘I amd dead serious and who ever said this was a humanitarian mission?’
Well, Bush said it was it was a ‘liberation.’ Lets Liberate the Iraqi’s by levelling their cities to the ground. Great plan. I guess that will make the Iraqi’s love the occupying troops even more, right? It will clearly reduce the number of terrorists too….please….you are unbelievably naive if you think wars are fought by levelling everything in sight.
‘But the good Iraqis have options.’
Like what?! Abandon their homes so the Americans can level their city, then wonder around homeless?
Trust you to use a fictional movie to back up your inane proposed military strategy.
Omar,
Which cities have been leveled?
Raymond-
Thank you for providing quality statistics to back up what the President has done and will continue to do for this country.
It shows that the President has been busy doing lots of good things in addition to the war on terror.
Kerry’s best response: “I have a plan.” Judging by his NYT Mag interview, it is a plan that is very pre-9/11. 9/11 changed everything. Dems are still stuck in a pre-9/11 time warp.
All the crack-pot comments about Iraq won’t be the final verdict on our actions there. History will tell, and we are a long ways from the events that will show whether we are right or wrong. I know we will be vindicated.
We are way to focused on WMD’s to get the real picture of Iraq, and Kerry’s focus on WMD is hurting him. The rest of the Duelfer report (the part that Old Media left out)shows that sanctions were being circumvented by Saddam and they were seeing their end time. How foolish it would be to wait and find out whether or not Saddam would re-constitute his weapons programs. We are no longer in an age where we can be reactionary as we were before 9/11. The stakes are too high. That message has not sunk in to John Kerry, or if it has, his message is clouded by the types of statements he makes in public (NYT anyone?).
We will be vindicated for our actions in liberating Iraq and Afghanistan. History will bear this out.
The president lost me when he joked about Supreme Court nominees, “I’m not gonna tell ya,”, then said. “the ones who vote for me”. His reference to the Dred Scott Decision wa incongruous, and he couldn’t tell the last questioner three mistakes he has made. To err is human (and to admit it is to sidestep an “I’m ever right” ‘tude for humility)
Bijan,
Seems from your comments, you were lost long before that.
The President lost me when he joked about Supreme Court appointees, “I’m not gonna tell ya,”, then said “the ones who vote for me”. His explanation of the Dred Scott Decision was lacking, and he couldn’t tell a prospective voter three mistakes he has made. To err is human.
‘Which cities have been leveled? ‘
None. This was a reference to what Raymond said….he suggested the US should level cities like Najaf and Fallujah due to terrorist attacks.
Bijan: Shouting being associated with CAPS? Come on. Is that all you’ve got. That is so passe’. What did you do? Take out your i-net etiquette book today? GEESH.
Leveling cities is a legit tactic in the prosecution of a war. ESPECIALLY when that city is a main source of resistance and threats to troops.
MECCA shoud be the next target if terrorists eve attack here in the US again. Personally, if I were president, it would have been destroyed as soon as I found out the terrorist were muslim.
The Bible describes Kerry’s wounds in great detail.
Purple Heart #1: Severely lacerated back while in captivity in the Middle East at the hands of soldiers from a big city in Italy
Purple Heart #2: Multiple Wounds to both hands, both feet and multiple puncture wounds to the head and sides of face inflicted by same soldiers. Wounds also included stab wound to side.
Purple Heart #3: Execution in traditional regional method. Kerry somehow survives and escapes after being beuried. Thought dead, but escapes to return to his unit with amazing powers to heal.
When Clinton lied no one died…
“When Clinton Lied, Nobody Died” B.S.
The Democrat National Committee (DNC) is a past master at smear campaigns and predictably is the one that makes the most noise, like a child throwing a tantrum, when unvarnished truth comes back to haunt it. One of the hundreds of example of Democrat smears appears as a Bumper Sticker (B.S.), “When Clinton lied, nobody died,” with the clear implication being that it was okay for Clinton to lie then, and for them to continue to lie now, just as the B.S. itself is a lie.
As the reader should recall, it is Clinton who “loathes the military;” and, it is Clinton whose eight year “legacy” is so discredited that it is laughable, preposterous, even comical to even mention his name in any serious discussion of National Security; no B.S. about it!
Now, for those pathetic ignorant, or demented, or both, souls who invent the “cute” little Democrat smears, such as the instant case, it is a matter of record that as many as one hundred political associates and/or friends of Clinton died under dubious circumstances during his time as Governor of Arkansas and as Chief Executive of the US; but, B.S. states: “When Clinton lied, Nobody Died.” Sure, and the “Moon is made of cheese.”
Below is a listing of a number deaths that came about during the Clintons’ regime that their B.S. “conveniently” ignores:
• 1993 World Trade Center bombing, which killed six and injured 1,000;
• 1995 bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed five U.S. military personnel;
• 1996 Khobar Towers bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed 19 and injured 200 U.S. military personnel;
• 1998 bombing of U.S. embassies in Africa, which killed 224 and injured 5,000;
• 2000 bombing of the USS Cole, which killed 17 and injured 39 U.S. sailors; and,
• Although Bill Clinton wasn’t president on September 11th, 2001, when 3000 died Clinton is reported to have wished that he was, because he lost an opportunity for greatness.
But, the B.S. states: “When Clinton Lied, nobody died;” right, if one was “not inhaling” through that 8 years of hell.
Earth to DNC: “Americans aren’t stupid despite Democrat efforts to make them so,” and that’s no B.S.!
Semper Fidelis
‘Leveling cities is a legit tactic in the prosecution of a war. ‘
If any city is levelled as you propose, then the cause of liberation will have gone TOTALLY down the toilet, and i would back any resistance fighters within Iraq. Thankfully, the maniacal actions you are suggesting will never happen, therefore the insurgency wont involve about 90% of the Iraqi population.
‘MECCA shoud be the next target if terrorists eve attack here in the US again. Personally, if I were president, it would have been destroyed as soon as I found out the terrorist were muslim.’
Thats ridiculous, like most the stuff you sprout. I cant believe you are actually saying this. Thats like me saying Jerusalem or Bethlehem should be destroyed because of CHRISTIAN terrorists (ETA, IRA, KKK just to name a few)
To those who dont understand; this is POLITICS! The Sunni Triangle will be leveled after Nov 2. I served in the Marine Corps and studied military history since I was old enough to read and the insurgents will bear the full weight of the US military come next month. Sadly to say, there will be many casaulties, but the military view is that this is necessary.
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