Bush Wins Debate: Will He Win The Election?

Thanks for allowing us to live-comment, LaShawn. It was awesome and fun! Bushie was great, as usual! Bush/Cheney in ‘04!

While I agree with you that the electorate cannot be trusted, I would base my mistrust on the large amount of voter registration fraud found in the last week. One thing I do find amazing is what the majority of these fraud stories have in common…a group called ACORN.

In the debate tonight it was a rout for President Bush. I have a faith in the American people and see President Bush winning with over 300 EVs.

Bush first lost, tied, then won the debates. I thought JK was the closer.

The news from Iraq will ultimately determine who wins. The news from Fallujia (SP?) today was a step in Bush’s favor. Sadly, a Chechen attack on a school will cement it for Bush.

Bush tends to telegraph his punches. Drudge today reported that Bush would be respectful with his foot on Kerry’s neck. He definetly kept Kerry backpeddling all night tonight.

La Shawn, thanks so much for your site.

GWB won this debate. Kerry was full of the same old rhetoric while Bush hammered him on his senate record, which he could not dispute. There were many questions Kerry could not answer adequately, so he went down his litany. Bush was fresh and energizing. Bush won.

{{{Hugs}}} for La Shawn

I think Bush won. Seems ABC talking heads seems to think so as well — could they be distancing themselves from something over the horizon? Even Mark Halprin had a few non-partisan words to say — seems he isn’t spinning sK’s way as he exhorted the ABC staff a few days ago.

Yet the online poll shows sK 42% & W 41%

Tavis Smiley (ABC) says; “W showed his base on the conservative/religious right and sKerry showed his base on the African-American side”

Tavis is my frat, but he is one of the so called “black community’s” biggest exploiters, fear mongerers, poverty pimps and liars.

Talk about an empty suit. He preys on the stupid, angry and uneducated. He is viewed as achampion of the Dependent American

Can’t wait for the “Stolen Honor” piece on Sinclair networks

Even some of the faithful on the right side of the Blogsphere are calling it a draw How is it a draw? Universally on all channels I’m hearing variations of this remark by the MSM and cable pundits. Kerry won the first and the second was a draw. Combine this with what is also being said to varying degrees by the same pundits, that Kerry was more defensive this time and this was Bush’s best performance, how does that equal anything other than a Bush win? If you accept Kerry won, they drew in the second and Bush looked his best tonight and Kerry was MORE defensive, that’s the ONLY way it can be called.

Hugh McBryde

I’ll definitely be commenting on this debate in the upcoming days…

I especially take offense to the affirmative action.

I’ve always wondered how flooding polling sites makes ANY difference.

Dems love poll fraud and voter fraud. Keep your head up, you knew this was coming.

“Winning” or “losing” a debate is not my litmus test, but if it were, Bush cleaned the floor with him in the last one and tonight. Couple that with Cheney’s destruction of Edwards and Bush did what he set out to do.

Bush in a landslide in Nov.

Raymond, are you for real? Bush in a landslide in November? Maybe you just don’t believe the polls, but they are consistently very, very close.

No one is going to win in a landslide, Raymond. Frustrated, perhaps?

Any poll showing a dead heat means Bush is up by at least 7-10 points. Just check the methodology and the internals.

Remember Dukakiswas up by 17 over Reagan right before the election and we know what happened there right?

Notice also that the polls showing Kerry up or a dead heat are liberal outlets. Gallup even counts 18 year olds as likely voter and get this…..with a PAST voting history to boot.

“Bush in a landslide in Nov.” - Raymond C. Coleman

Not possible. The electorate is way too divided for that, since Bush couldn’t hold on to the post 9/11 unity, nor could he deliver on his “uniter, not divider” pledge from 2000.

Bush certainly tried his best here, but his best wasn’t good enough when he focused so much on poorly debunking John Kerry’s record. Kerry promoted actively dealing with the real issues Americans face - high costs of health care, unemployment issues, outsourcing, etc.

It will be incredibly close, no matter who wins.

The president won the women’s vote tonight, and thus, the election. Why, you may ask? Kate O’Beirne from National Review hits the nail on the head:

“SO MUCH FOR THE WOMEN’S VOTE [Kate O'Beirne]
A friend points out that no self-respecting woman could vote for a guy who gushes about his mother when he’s been asked about his wife.”

And that, my friends, tells you everything you need to know about Kerry’s priorities. How revealing indeed.

Tom B.

Raymond, you have a short memory. That 17-point lead was in June of that year. If that is “right before the election,” then I have some very recent ’70s disco records to sell you.

Chuck, you are also dreaming wistfully. No one is going to get 320 electoral votes in this one. It’s going to be close…but if you want to fantasize, why not go for 538 to 0?

Sheesh.

Didn’t get to say thank you LaShawn on the comments so…thank you. I haven’t laughed so hard since the Dem convention when Tahraaaayzaaaaaa told the world she is an African-American.

You mean Rudy the Republican? Rudy the Unbiased Arbiter?

He agrees with YOU? LOL…you are indeed a funny man, Raymond…I am highly entertained by your one-sided, biased posts.

Incredible.

1-draw
2-Bush
3-Bush

In the first debate, Bush had substance, and no style. He has continued to have substance. My personal feeling is that people on the East Coast are very prone to judge the imperfections in the President’s manner of speaking.

Great site, btw, LaShawn

ECH

KNOCKOUT!

Tonight’s debate was supposed to be the Democrat’s stomping ground, but Bush clearly dominated.

Kerry mischaracterized his own healthcare plan. He tried to attack the Bush-Cheney team by outing Cheney’s daughter. Despicable. Kerry floundered quite a bit, often reverting back to talking points. When Kerry didn’t have a real answer, he referred to his “plans” and starting making random hand gestures. This debate was supposed to be on a topic favorable to John Kerry, but he failed to even make it a draw.

I found it quite a telling moment when the candidates were asked to talk about their wives. Bush clearly showed his heart, his passion, his love for his wife. Kerry made a weak joke, then talked about his mom, then praised Bush for his relationship….and barely mentioned TerAYSa….. that says alot!

Meanwhile, Bush was successful in dressing Kerry up in his liberal record and making him wear it all night. Bush resonated with those of faith, while Kerry’s window-dressing references to the bible and his days as altar boy ring hollow.

All Bush had to do was tie Kerry on this debate to equal a win…. but he came out and won it!

If you’re still undecided now, something’s wrong with you.

CNN polling - Kerry 52%, Bush 39%

plus or minus 5 points.

Kerry 3, Bush 0.

Let’s hope that matters in November.

John Kerry ain’t gettin’ none this week unless he pays for it because of how he dissed Tarayzuh.

Correct “Generation Why!”

CNN: The Communist New Network or the Clinton News Network.

If Kerry had only listened to his dying mother…

kerry is a demogogue who played the race-card:

kerry charged bush had never met with the cbc. but bush did.

kerry claimed that 50% of black men in nyc are unemployed.

this seems false to me. a ny’er.

who will factcheck this?

Keep drinking your Kool-Aid, Lamb. You’ll feel as good as the day you transferred from the Hotel Management School to the Liberal Arts & Science Department at Cornell and told yourself: “Now, I’m in the Ivy League!” The only peopel who pay attention to CNN polls are True Believers like you.

First and foremost,

A HUGE THANK YOU FOR A GREAT TIME TONIGHT, LASHAWN!! THIS WAS A BLAST!

Thank you LaSahwn!! This evening was a blast! Well, for most of us.

I understand Kerry is singing “No Sugar Tonight”. LOL

“Keep drinking your Kool-Aid, Lamb. You’’ll feel as good as the day you transferred from the Hotel Management School to the Liberal Arts & Science Department at Cornell and told yourself: ““Now, I’’m in the Ivy League!”” The only peopel who pay attention to CNN polls are True Believers like you.” - Kevin

Kevin,

You don’t know me and you don’t know my life. I was never a hotelie; never a Dean supporter. But from your comment, some things are obvious to all about you.

1) You have no respect for Black Americans. Would you make a racist Kool-Aid joke to anyone who wasn’t Black? I know nothing of your background, but I don’t appreciate your racial rhetoric. Disagree without being disagreeable, sir.

2) You unnecessarily envy my Cornell diploma. It’s really not such a big deal, y’know.

3) You need to spellcheck. People, not ‘peopel’.

Dominic, I think President Bush never tried to make good on his promises of bipartisanship. The result - the most divided electorate in my lifetime. That’s not how one should lead a country in a global war on terror.

Getting back to the real issues of the debate, I thought Kerry’s answer on affirmative action had a very strong perspective in linking the plight of gender discrimination to the overall picture of affirmative action. As Kerry said, “The fact is that in too many parts of our country we still have discrimination. And affirmative action is not just something that applies to people to color. Some people have a mistaken view of it in America. It also is with respect to women, it’s with respect to other efforts to try to reach out and be inclusive in our country.”

I thought that was quite effective, especially in moving away from the mis-characterization that some people hold that affirmative action policies only affect Black people. White women are the largest beneficiaries of affirmative action policies. It’s good to notice a candidate publicizing that linkage.

Jimbo Lamb: Gee, thanks. I forgot that. Yes, Kerry did unbosom that tired, false baloney about “women earning 76% of what a man does” (or whatever the figure). That is what I meant when I said Kerry revealed himself to be a liberal.

Lefties are not going to operate without seeing everything through the lens of victimization; including “gender” issues and the like. Kerry kept that hidden for most of the debates, but it came out tonight.

Now, if you will all indulge me a bit of bandwidth, a serious question/debate topic. I’ll set you all off on this one, and I’ll have to check back in tomorrow. I’m up way past my bed time!!

First, some history (please bear with me):
I started my current job about 5 years ago, just about the time that the 2000 election started heating up. I work in a small office (5 people), and all but one of us leans pretty far to the right. My closest co-worker (literally: she sits just across from me) is the liberal, though she’s always been much closer to the center than the most vocal of the moonbats.

Being in a relatively new position, I followed the “don’t discuss politics or religion in polite company” rule for at least a few months. As we grew closer and closer to the election, though, political discussions became basically inevitable. At one point, during our discussions, Lana said to me, “What’s wrong with being a liberal?”

Well, I just didn’t think it was fair to eviscerate her with the facts in the office, so I let that one go, but she’d obviously tipped her hand. In the end, though, she conceded that she was voting for Bush, primarily owing to her Texas roots. Not much of a reason to vote for someone, but I was happy for the vote, particularly the day after the election was supposed to be over.

Now, the meat:
She is the first actual undecided voter I have encountered. Bear ye in mind that I take the bus every day, with a lot of other people who have the same schedule as I, so I see these 20 or so people every day. Plus, when one adds in clients, other friends, family, etc., I could broaden my “sample” of people whom I know their political feelings to about, say, 150 people. Compare that number with these phone polls of about 900-1100 people.

So, think about that: 2/3 of 1% of my sample is actually undecided. That’s a long way from the 5-7% touted in all of these polls.

But, my sample is skewed: for the 20 or so people whom I see daily on the bus, there’s at least 20 more who, even though they are well within earshot for a 1-hour bus ride, they just don’t talk about politics. Period. They just don’t care or they just don’t want to talk about it, either one. We’ll typically carry on conversations about virtually anything else (at the moment, how terribly the Titans are doing), but not politics, even in a politically charged year. That means that 11% of my particular sample is not necessarily undecided, but more likely disinterested.

So, all of this makes me wonder: are there really that many undecided voters out there? I’m really beginning to think not. I think that these polls are hitting some people who, feeling the pressure of a semi-loaded question (face it, virtually anyone who doesn’t vote probably has at least some twinge of guilt about it around election time) of “Are you a registered voter” or “Are you likely to vote in the upcoming campaign,” basically lie and say “Yeah, of course I’m voting, but I don’t know for whom yet.”

All of that brings me to this:
How many actual undecided voters are there out there? I think that there are, in the real world, far fewer “swing” votes to be had than anyone believes. And, if my hypothesis proves to be true, and one of the two candidates recognizes it, will either change his campaign tactic?

Thoughts?

James,

I spend the majority of my time working in low income African American neighborhoods, more commonly referred to as ghettos.

I don’t understand what kool-aid has to do with racism.

After Kerry’s performance in all 3 debates, he should in all fairness win this election. Go Kerry. 3 - 0 to Kerry - not only have these debates changed Kerry’s standing in the polls dramatically, they have shown Bush’s unbelievable number of mistakes as President, and his unsurpassed ability to make a fool of himself. I hope for the worlds sake Kerry wins.

Kerry won. Bush dodged the answers on homosexuality being a choice, on minimum wage, and on affirmative action. 66% of those polled by MSNBC so far agree with me. Kerry 3 Bush 0 (not a good sign for an incumbent to lose a post-debate poll by more than 5 or 6 percentage points)

Kevin,
I wouldn’t say James L Jr has an empty hand, intellectually. He is an educated and clearly intelligent young man.
But he does see racism in places it isn’t in play, and often in more prominent a role when it is. Just like some people see a liberal conspiracy, or are so hyper-sensitive to liberal bias in the MSM that even small cases set them off
As he has said, we don’t know his past, so I won’t provide theories about why this is. His resume indicates a very liberal education, and a lack of post academic experience in the real world (but that leaves the door open for plenty of pre-academic).
For the kool-aid.. yeah, I don’t get the racism either. Colt-45 jokes… that I could see.
Back to Bias in the MSM… how about Dan Rather detting all kissy faced with John Edwards last night in the post debate coverage?

Kerry, and democrats in general, are negative personalities. They are complainers, whiners, the glass is half empty, hand wringers critical of everything, starting with their own great country.

Kerry demonstrated that again last night where most of his responses were not about what he ‘could do’, except ‘better’, but critizing what someone else has done or done wrong.

I kept hoping Bush would call him on it. You cannot be a leader with a pessimistic and negative attitude. You have to ‘naturally’ be a positive person who inspires and motivates others. Bush clearly has those qualities.

In Bush’s closing statement I was hoping he would give us an impromptu ’shining city on the hill’ Reagan close. And he started that way, but then fell back into repeating prepared old sound bite stuff. Too bad, because that is were a positive leader like Bush ’shines’!.

And that, Argghhh!/Jonah, is reason enough for me to support him.

This is too good to not repeat here from Captain’s Quarters and I’d like to hear Lamb/Bijan and friends spin this one as yet another shining attribute of the pile of rancid meat, aka sKerry
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CQ reader John Gault notes that the valediction that John Kerry’s mother gave him, according to his answer at the debate, has a ring of familiarity to it. Band of Brothers member Jim Rassmann, while campaigning for Kerry in Eau Claire, Wisconsin, said this from the stump last month:

After serving with John Kerry, a veteran says Kerry is better suited to serve in the White House. Jim Rassman was in Eau Claire on Tuesday to campaign for Kerry. Rassman says Kerry saved his life when he pulled him out of a river during a battle in Vietnam. Rassman says he voted for Bush in 2000, but says he doesn’t plan to back the President this time around. “There are three character traits John has that George Bush does not have and they are integrity, integrity, integrity [emph mine - CE]. I trust John Kerry implicitly. I don’t trust a thing George Bush tells me,” said Rassman.

There are four possible explanations for this:

1. Jim Rassmann is channelling Kerry’s mother on the stump.
2. Rassmann plagiarizes dead people.
3. Kerry plagiarizes Rassmann.
4. This may be another of Kerry’s canned stump stories, which makes it even more pathetic. Does it not occur to him that most mothers don’t find it necessary to lecture their sons on integrity with their dying breath?

And doesn’t it sound like Kerry plagiarized this from Rassmann?
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Fine.

No problem LB. I never called anyone a racist. I asserted that some comments were unduly racial.

No matter. It was fun while it lasted, but since you’ve made it clear what is acceptable behavior on this site, I’ll abide by your wishes. I simply won’t return to this site.

I wish you well, LaShawn.

James,

So if I understand you correctly, anyone who actully believes the tenets of their faith is intolerant? There are too many passages of Scripture which demostrate God’s opposition to homosexuality. Need I mention Sodom and Gomorrah?

I don’t think that you are an unintelligent individual, but I tend to wonder about your ability to process information if you see differently. Along with that, it just dawned on me that you either 1) don’t know the Scriptures or 2) that you don’t wish to agree with such; either way the truth still sands that God views this perversion as a gross abomination and is against it.

Sorry, Jim, but I had to delete his remark because it’s not appropriate; since you copied and pasted, I had to delete it, too. - Admin.

Idler, you are soooo bad! And no help to President Bush, by the way.

I think Bush did better in the first two debates.
Kerry was his same used car salesman self in the first two. Last night, when the mod asked what Bush would say to the unemployeed person, I think he should have said that we are “killing as many of the B**T***S that made you unemployed starting on 9/11 as we can” and then gone on to the retraining and schooling help. Kerry was not as GQ in the third debate, but he was able to shovel out the entitlement pablem to the ones that needed to hear it.

La Shawn,

Just got the opportunity to catch up on your live debate comments today. All I can say is awesome! You have outdone yourself. I got a real kick out of reading everybody’s comments, and recalling exactly where the debate must have been when they made them.

There were some really perceptive comments made ( I can’t believe I read all 544 of them!). Like most who commented during the debate, I came away with the feeling that Bush pulled it out on this one. I don’t know what debate James Lamb, Jr. was watching but it couldn’t have been the same one I watched

I AM glad that the debates are over. I can now stop yelling at my TV as though Kerry or Edwards could actually hear me.

“Jonestown isn’t the only way a person can take that (Kool Aid) comment. ”

Really. Given the context, the only way someone could NOT take it as a Jonestown reference in actual real world parlance and usage is:

1. You are completely ignorant of that part of history. Not a dig, just that some people have no idea about Jonestown much less the associated colloquialism about Kool Aid, especially younger folks.

2. You are highly insecure and need any angle whatsoever, or want to play it both ways, to play the victim - because if you DO know about Jonestown you know darn well about the usage of “Kool Aid” comments in a relevant context (like towing a party line or being a party Myrmidon etc.) and you have a pretty good idea that there isnt any race issue involved. Pulling the race card Omarosa-style is rather disingenuous. You probably know you got caught taking the Kool Aid angle out of context but cant admit it fully, thus must fallback on allegations that it “could” be taken racially in some contexts.

On the other hand, maybe sKerry was actually channeling a lesbian that got booted from the military, and related her experiences to the Center for the Study of Sexual Minorities in the Military | UCSB
http://www.gaymilitary.ucsb.edu/PressClips/03_0427_StPetersburg.htm;

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Cathleen Glover is part of those statistics. In March 2002, she graduated as an Arabic speaker from the Defense Language Institute, the military’s language training school in Monterey, Calif. About three weeks ago, she was discharged for being a lesbian. She “outed” herself back in November when she published an article in the Monterey Herald expressing the constant fear she felt of being found out. Around that time a number of her colleagues at the institute had been drummed out of the service for their sexual orientation.

Glover told me the pressure to keep her real life a secret was unbearable: “The military preaches integrity, integrity, integrity but asks you to lie to everyone around you.”
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Could this poor confused girl “who struggled with this for years” be one of the people that sKerry met and has to respect? Either that, or politics asks him to lie to everyone around him.

Hmmmn, I just report, you decide.