Falwell was once in a “debate” with a “liberal” Christian. The “liberal” Christian was getting the best of Falwell. Falwell then asked how many people the “liberal” Christian was responsible for bringing to Christ.

Some things are just wrong.

As many readers can probably tell by now, I think the JollyBlogger is great. I think you should consult him about some of these issues, or at the very least check out his site: http://jollyblogger.typepad.com/jollyblogger/

Thanks for reading, Jim!

In light of John 1:12-13 (and other scripture), are we?

But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: 13who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. (Jphn 1:12-13,NKJV)

I’m talking about my friends that are just like mary cheney. Building families and struggling as best as they can.

“For one, liar and adulterer are in the comandments… And there’s plenty who take umbrage at your comingling of homosexuals with such evils.”

and

“I’m sure there are plenty of ways for the bible to be read in anti-gay ways.”

Please, please, clarify — when you talk about homosexuals and use the phrase “anti-gay”, are you talking about people whose inclination is towards homosexual (rather than heterosexual) desire, or about people who have chosen to act on those desires? Because making the distinction is vital to understanding Biblical doctrine on the issue.

First, homosexual practice: if you go through the Bible and look at all the verses that talk about it, you’ll find that every single time, it’s included in the middle of a list of many different sins that are being condemned. Leviticus 18:22, which specifically condemns homosexual behavior, is in the middle of a list of all kinds of different sexual practices that God forbids to the people of Israel: incest, adultery, homosexual sex, and bestiality (that is, sex with animals) are all forbidden in that passage. Then there’s Romans 1, where homosexual sex (both men with men and also women with women) is listed as just one sin among many that people will commit when they choose to reject God — the others being “every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They [that is, those who reject God] are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless.” Phew! What a list. And the other two places that I can easily find where homosexual behavior gets mentioned are also lists of different kinds of sins: 1 Corinthians 6 and 1 Timothy 1. I don’t want to take too long, so I’ll just mention 1 Corinthians 6: “Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.”

But do you see the end of that passage? That’s the other half of the coin. First, the bad news: here’s a list of all kinds of sin, all of which will keep you out of the kingdom of God, and who can fail to recognize their own failings in that list? Oh, I may not be a thief or a drunkard — but a slanderer? Have I ever spoken ill of someone behind their back, unjustly, just to make myself look good? A person will read past all sorts of sins saying, “Oh, I don’t do that”, and then suddenly one word jumps off the page at him and his conscience pricks him most uncomfortably. But then comes the good news: “And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.”

The message of the Bible, which you’ll see repeated over and over again in different passages, is “I’ve got bad news and I’ve got good news.” The bad news is, you’re a sinner just like everyone else, and sinners will not enter the kingdom of God. But the good news is, that’s not the whole story: God took the penalty for your sins and placed it on Jesus instead of you. Jesus — the only man who ever lived a sinless, perfect life — took your sins on himself and died the death of a guilty man so that you no longer have to die for your sins; you can now live the life of an innocent man.

That’s the message the Bible is saying, to homosexuals and heterosexuals alike. They’re all sinners in one way or another. You are, I am, and so is Joe over there. And sin must be punished. But because Jesus deliberately accepted the punishment instead of us, each and every one of us can be washed clean of our sin, and can enter God’s kingdom, innocent and justified.

Luvin’ It:-)

Mr. Gile’s article is interesting. I don’t agree that one need be liberal or conservative to be Christian, rather it is one’s reasons for their position that matter. Oddly, the common view is that it is impossible to be both Christian and Republican. I have a semi-recent post rebutting that notion. http://secureliberty.org/index.php/2004/10/08/republican_and_christian

That’s right. If we all could just sit down at Starbucks and truly discourse about topics or issues.

But, sadly, it doesn’t seem to be possible. Most times I just keep my mouth shut when I’m out with folks. They get kind of nasty when I ask them “why is that?” Or if I ask them “Why do you believe voting for Kerry is the answer” (you better duck on that question – LOL)

{hmmm seems I have too much time on my hands today}

JJ

I am very happy to do so. It’s great you took a bit of time to reflect. You were thought about and I even said a prayer for you, believe me that is true.

You are right and those coming against you? Well, that tells me you are doing something…Absolutely Right.

You chose no words of slander and you most defintely use no profanity. Perhaps if more bloggers would think about their use of such language they would find the truly bright and intelligent people would rather sit down to a cup of coffee or tea and read what this nice and simple lady has to say. To me, she is truly a, Lady! Many ladies have gone about and sprewed awful things in print. Oh and so have the men but really do you think people want to come back and read them?

You make me smile and I love your wit so welcome back my friend. You and Michelle sure have one fan that sits with a laptop on her lap!

Blessings A Bounty Full to You!