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		<title>By: A Clanging Cymbal</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/10/25/clanging/comment-page-2/#comment-46801</link>
		<dc:creator>A Clanging Cymbal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jun 2005 03:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: biblegeek.blog-city.com</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/10/25/clanging/comment-page-2/#comment-12461</link>
		<dc:creator>biblegeek.blog-city.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Nov 2004 21:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;La Shawn Barber is back!!!!&lt;/strong&gt;
For those who don&#039;t know, our dear Christian sister and mentor, La Shawn, has been on a spiritual retreat and reevaluation of why she is blogging. She has gotten alone with God and brought her concerns before Him. 
While she has been gone, many of</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>La Shawn Barber is back!!!!</strong><br />
For those who don&#8217;t know, our dear Christian sister and mentor, La Shawn, has been on a spiritual retreat and reevaluation of why she is blogging. She has gotten alone with God and brought her concerns before Him.<br />
While she has been gone, many of</p>
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		<title>By: La Shawn</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/10/25/clanging/comment-page-2/#comment-9244</link>
		<dc:creator>La Shawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:55:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DarkStar - One of the hardest things for us to do is forgive one another. At least for Christians, it is important to remember than God forgave us. And we are no more deserving of it than we believe others are. I&#039;m guilty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DarkStar &#8211; One of the hardest things for us to do is forgive one another. At least for Christians, it is important to remember than God forgave us. And we are no more deserving of it than we believe others are. I&#8217;m guilty.</p>
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		<title>By: DarkStar</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/10/25/clanging/comment-page-2/#comment-9242</link>
		<dc:creator>DarkStar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:26:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Today the co-pastor of the church I attend preached on &quot;forgiveness.&quot; I thought about your blog entry.

Strange that one...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today the co-pastor of the church I attend preached on &#8220;forgiveness.&#8221; I thought about your blog entry.</p>
<p>Strange that one&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: La Shawn</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/10/25/clanging/comment-page-2/#comment-9196</link>
		<dc:creator>La Shawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Oct 2004 20:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, DarkStar.</description>
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		<title>By: DarkStar</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/10/25/clanging/comment-page-2/#comment-9195</link>
		<dc:creator>DarkStar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Oct 2004 20:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LaShawn,
Welcome back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LaShawn,<br />
Welcome back.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim R</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/10/25/clanging/comment-page-2/#comment-9164</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Oct 2004 13:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your thoughtful words Ajhankin. Can you see from the comments here the &#039;struggle&#039; goes on even after one has chosen their spiritual path? Many within the same religion, much less those with different religions, don&#039;t seem to be satisfied until &#039;everyone&#039; agrees with their interpretation of what God wants from them. 

Most, especially the major religious sects, believe &#039;only&#039; theirs is the right way and all others are fakes and must be resisted with argument, and at the extremes, destroyed. 

This is not necessary and will not lead to happiness in your faith. If you have found yours, be thankful and let it show with your happiness, peace and respect of others. This is the best way to attract others to your way. They will &#039;want some of what you got&#039; as Tracy Chapman would say.

PS: Our Nation is not lost. Our times, compared to those living during Biblical times, is like the difference between heaven and hell here on earth. Cheer up and enjoy what you have, not necessarily what you plan to get later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your thoughtful words Ajhankin. Can you see from the comments here the &#8217;struggle&#8217; goes on even after one has chosen their spiritual path? Many within the same religion, much less those with different religions, don&#8217;t seem to be satisfied until &#8216;everyone&#8217; agrees with their interpretation of what God wants from them. </p>
<p>Most, especially the major religious sects, believe &#8216;only&#8217; theirs is the right way and all others are fakes and must be resisted with argument, and at the extremes, destroyed. </p>
<p>This is not necessary and will not lead to happiness in your faith. If you have found yours, be thankful and let it show with your happiness, peace and respect of others. This is the best way to attract others to your way. They will &#8216;want some of what you got&#8217; as Tracy Chapman would say.</p>
<p>PS: Our Nation is not lost. Our times, compared to those living during Biblical times, is like the difference between heaven and hell here on earth. Cheer up and enjoy what you have, not necessarily what you plan to get later.</p>
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		<title>By: ajhankin</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/10/25/clanging/comment-page-2/#comment-9069</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Oct 2004 15:05:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have too struggled with what you are going through. I began my blog because I was mad and frustrated to learn that my entire life was a lie and that I had been living in ultimate sin.  I also started it to educate others and as a sounding board for my thoughts.  I spoke out of love as I wrote my columns but readers claimed that I was writing with malice.  It is just the passion that the Lord has bestowed upon our hearts to hate sin, hate liberalism, and hate secularism.  Can all that hate consume our love for Jesus Christ and others?  I don&#039;t think so but sometimes it is the hate of sin that comes out rather than the love for others, even though by hating sin we love others and we hate sin because we love others. But unfortunately others can&#039;t see nor understand it.  Also you are right, if you are kind and loving it will attract others, but if you don&#039;t tell them the Truth of the Word and His ways, then we are not truly loving them because God is love, Jesus is God and Jesus is the Word. Therefore the Word is love and that is what we must share: At All Cost!!! The Truth of the Word is love, plain and simple.  Let you love continue to shine and bless our lost nation.  God Bless</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have too struggled with what you are going through. I began my blog because I was mad and frustrated to learn that my entire life was a lie and that I had been living in ultimate sin.  I also started it to educate others and as a sounding board for my thoughts.  I spoke out of love as I wrote my columns but readers claimed that I was writing with malice.  It is just the passion that the Lord has bestowed upon our hearts to hate sin, hate liberalism, and hate secularism.  Can all that hate consume our love for Jesus Christ and others?  I don&#8217;t think so but sometimes it is the hate of sin that comes out rather than the love for others, even though by hating sin we love others and we hate sin because we love others. But unfortunately others can&#8217;t see nor understand it.  Also you are right, if you are kind and loving it will attract others, but if you don&#8217;t tell them the Truth of the Word and His ways, then we are not truly loving them because God is love, Jesus is God and Jesus is the Word. Therefore the Word is love and that is what we must share: At All Cost!!! The Truth of the Word is love, plain and simple.  Let you love continue to shine and bless our lost nation.  God Bless</p>
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		<title>By: Jim R</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/10/25/clanging/comment-page-2/#comment-8935</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>La Shawn: &quot;The problem with man-made religions is that all roads lead to man.&quot;

But what do you say to people crippled with logic and  deprived of evidence who wonder the same thing about Christianity, and the others?

Should too much intellectual energy be given to debating the immortal battle-of-beliefs? I envy all that have found theirs and show it by their love-light.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>La Shawn: &#8220;The problem with man-made religions is that all roads lead to man.&#8221;</p>
<p>But what do you say to people crippled with logic and  deprived of evidence who wonder the same thing about Christianity, and the others?</p>
<p>Should too much intellectual energy be given to debating the immortal battle-of-beliefs? I envy all that have found theirs and show it by their love-light.</p>
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		<title>By: AWG</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/10/25/clanging/comment-page-2/#comment-8916</link>
		<dc:creator>AWG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Oct 2004 18:45:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;In Christian theology, what is the ultimate source and goal of Christian love?&quot;

The answer to this, of course, is God himself.  It is the outworking of God&#039;s love for humanity that allows people who accept that love to be changed by it.  God&#039;s love enables us to seek God&#039;s best for ourselves and others, and to draw nearer to God himself.  In effect, the ultimate source of Charity is God, and its ultimate goal is to reconcile ourselves with God and to help others to do the same.

&quot;In Buddism, what is the ultimate source and goal of Buddist compassion?&quot;

The answer to this one would be the Self, if Buddhism acknowledged that the concept of &quot;self&quot;.  The stated goal of Buddhist compassion is to eliminate confusion and engender clarity of perception, in order that the Buddhist might progress on the path to enlightenment.  Such compassion, then, is born of the Buddhist&#039;s will and self-effort.

And that is why I contend that Charity is not interchangable with compassion.  While the external effects might be similar, the source and motivation of each is markedly different: for Buddhist compassion it is self-effort to the end of personal enlightenment, while for Christian Charity it is God working in the hearts of believers to the end of drawing those believers to him.

I will agree that Buddhism engenders many positive qualities: discipline, compassion, the denial of hedonistic tendencies, and even-temperedness, among others,  Further, it pursues those qualities probably about as well as any human-invented religion could hope to do.  However, it also assuages humanity&#039;s inherent fear of death with the false promise of nigh-infinite chances to get things right, entices its practitioners to practice its virtues for fundamentally selfish reasons, and can only offer the cold promise of &quot;enlightenment&quot; in the place of deep, abiding love.  It can offer no objective evidence for its claims (as Christianity can, through documentary, historical, and archaological evidence), but relies strictly on the personal experiences of its practitioners to support its claims.  As I see it, compared to a host of other man-made systems, Buddhism isn&#039;t bad.  However, when it is compared with Christianity, Christ&#039;s way emerges as the better of the two.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In Christian theology, what is the ultimate source and goal of Christian love?&#8221;</p>
<p>The answer to this, of course, is God himself.  It is the outworking of God&#8217;s love for humanity that allows people who accept that love to be changed by it.  God&#8217;s love enables us to seek God&#8217;s best for ourselves and others, and to draw nearer to God himself.  In effect, the ultimate source of Charity is God, and its ultimate goal is to reconcile ourselves with God and to help others to do the same.</p>
<p>&#8220;In Buddism, what is the ultimate source and goal of Buddist compassion?&#8221;</p>
<p>The answer to this one would be the Self, if Buddhism acknowledged that the concept of &#8220;self&#8221;.  The stated goal of Buddhist compassion is to eliminate confusion and engender clarity of perception, in order that the Buddhist might progress on the path to enlightenment.  Such compassion, then, is born of the Buddhist&#8217;s will and self-effort.</p>
<p>And that is why I contend that Charity is not interchangable with compassion.  While the external effects might be similar, the source and motivation of each is markedly different: for Buddhist compassion it is self-effort to the end of personal enlightenment, while for Christian Charity it is God working in the hearts of believers to the end of drawing those believers to him.</p>
<p>I will agree that Buddhism engenders many positive qualities: discipline, compassion, the denial of hedonistic tendencies, and even-temperedness, among others,  Further, it pursues those qualities probably about as well as any human-invented religion could hope to do.  However, it also assuages humanity&#8217;s inherent fear of death with the false promise of nigh-infinite chances to get things right, entices its practitioners to practice its virtues for fundamentally selfish reasons, and can only offer the cold promise of &#8220;enlightenment&#8221; in the place of deep, abiding love.  It can offer no objective evidence for its claims (as Christianity can, through documentary, historical, and archaological evidence), but relies strictly on the personal experiences of its practitioners to support its claims.  As I see it, compared to a host of other man-made systems, Buddhism isn&#8217;t bad.  However, when it is compared with Christianity, Christ&#8217;s way emerges as the better of the two.</p>
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		<title>By: firebird</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/10/25/clanging/comment-page-2/#comment-8891</link>
		<dc:creator>firebird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Oct 2004 14:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well at least they hav,nt started feeding christian to the lions but just wait they will probibly start persicuting them again they have all ready went and punished people in france for daring to critisize gays and islams but france has already taken a step into socialism when they elected fransiun meteran and who else has come since then we dont want a socialist goverment in the USA and thats why we should get ourselves out of the UN</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well at least they hav,nt started feeding christian to the lions but just wait they will probibly start persicuting them again they have all ready went and punished people in france for daring to critisize gays and islams but france has already taken a step into socialism when they elected fransiun meteran and who else has come since then we dont want a socialist goverment in the USA and thats why we should get ourselves out of the UN</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/10/25/clanging/comment-page-2/#comment-8869</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Oct 2004 05:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SCSIwuzzy, it would seem to me that in Buddhism, the ultimate source and goal of compassion is to get thru the, IIRC, 7 stages to nirvana.  However, as my grandmother describes it to me, it&#039;s almost like that classic game of luck, strategy, and determination, Sorry.  

The &#039;gooder&#039; you are, the stronger your karma and with luck, you&#039;ll progress thru multiple lifetimes until you reach nirvana.  However, you could also be demoted to a lower life form for simply the bad luck/karma of being guilty of some intangible offense.

Hence, the Buddhist is vegan and doesn&#039;t kill even the smallest gnat, because for all you know, your brother in a past life could have been reincarnated as that gnat buzzing around your ear and trying to laying some good karma on you.  

As I&#039;ve told her again &amp; again, that notion doesn&#039;t make any sense.  As gentle as the Dalai Lama is, the fact that he lives and breathes means that thousands of lifeforms die daily at his hand, either directly or indirectly.  Taken to its logical conclusion, and knowing what we know now about the mirad of microscopic creatures, we would all constantly devolve into a single cell ameoba, and then nothingness.  This is simply a critical flaw that Buddha could not have known about when he established his religion.

Although dear old Grandmother knew the Bible inside out, she was a lifelong Buddhist, because she simply can&#039;t accept that God&#039;s grace is simply there for the taking/believing.  Barring a deathbed conversion, she died convinced that she&#039;s one step closer to nirvana.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SCSIwuzzy, it would seem to me that in Buddhism, the ultimate source and goal of compassion is to get thru the, IIRC, 7 stages to nirvana.  However, as my grandmother describes it to me, it&#8217;s almost like that classic game of luck, strategy, and determination, Sorry.  </p>
<p>The &#8216;gooder&#8217; you are, the stronger your karma and with luck, you&#8217;ll progress thru multiple lifetimes until you reach nirvana.  However, you could also be demoted to a lower life form for simply the bad luck/karma of being guilty of some intangible offense.</p>
<p>Hence, the Buddhist is vegan and doesn&#8217;t kill even the smallest gnat, because for all you know, your brother in a past life could have been reincarnated as that gnat buzzing around your ear and trying to laying some good karma on you.  </p>
<p>As I&#8217;ve told her again &#038; again, that notion doesn&#8217;t make any sense.  As gentle as the Dalai Lama is, the fact that he lives and breathes means that thousands of lifeforms die daily at his hand, either directly or indirectly.  Taken to its logical conclusion, and knowing what we know now about the mirad of microscopic creatures, we would all constantly devolve into a single cell ameoba, and then nothingness.  This is simply a critical flaw that Buddha could not have known about when he established his religion.</p>
<p>Although dear old Grandmother knew the Bible inside out, she was a lifelong Buddhist, because she simply can&#8217;t accept that God&#8217;s grace is simply there for the taking/believing.  Barring a deathbed conversion, she died convinced that she&#8217;s one step closer to nirvana.</p>
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		<title>By: SCSIwuzzy</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/10/25/clanging/comment-page-2/#comment-8848</link>
		<dc:creator>SCSIwuzzy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Oct 2004 21:44:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LB,
I know the answers (oh, the benefits of a BA path that led to... nothing : )... but I am waiting for the rest of the class to discuss.
There is quite alot to learn from Buddism, IMO.  But at the same time, the more one learns about another religion, the more one is forced to evaluate personal faith and religion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LB,<br />
I know the answers (oh, the benefits of a BA path that led to&#8230; nothing : )&#8230; but I am waiting for the rest of the class to discuss.<br />
There is quite alot to learn from Buddism, IMO.  But at the same time, the more one learns about another religion, the more one is forced to evaluate personal faith and religion.</p>
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		<title>By: La Shawn</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/10/25/clanging/comment-page-2/#comment-8845</link>
		<dc:creator>La Shawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Oct 2004 21:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If only that would stump it, SCSIwuzzy, but he&#039;ll come up with some &quot;enlightenment&quot; kind of answer. The problem with man-made religions is that all roads lead to man. What else &lt;em&gt;could&lt;/em&gt; man come up with? I can&#039;t wait for the answer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If only that would stump it, SCSIwuzzy, but he&#8217;ll come up with some &#8220;enlightenment&#8221; kind of answer. The problem with man-made religions is that all roads lead to man. What else <em>could</em> man come up with? I can&#8217;t wait for the answer.</p>
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		<title>By: SCSIwuzzy</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/10/25/clanging/comment-page-2/#comment-8843</link>
		<dc:creator>SCSIwuzzy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Oct 2004 20:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actus, AWG,
2 questions for you both:
In Christian theology, what is the ultimate source and goal of Christian love?
In Buddism, what is the ultimate source and goal of Buddist compassion?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actus, AWG,<br />
2 questions for you both:<br />
In Christian theology, what is the ultimate source and goal of Christian love?<br />
In Buddism, what is the ultimate source and goal of Buddist compassion?</p>
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