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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/11/09/liberals/comment-page-2/#comment-11024</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Nov 2004 21:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you heard cHillary&#039;s latest rant (heard in on Shawn Hannity today)?  She is rebuking and encouraging the Dems to develop their talking points from the Bible.  And I paraphrase, &#039;No one can argue that Jesus had more to say in support of the liberal democratic principles&#039;.  Bwaahahahaha.  cHillary better bone up on the Bible from cover to cover before she sprouts off about what would Jesus do/say, nevermind about faith in things unseen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you heard cHillary&#8217;s latest rant (heard in on Shawn Hannity today)?  She is rebuking and encouraging the Dems to develop their talking points from the Bible.  And I paraphrase, &#8216;No one can argue that Jesus had more to say in support of the liberal democratic principles&#8217;.  Bwaahahahaha.  cHillary better bone up on the Bible from cover to cover before she sprouts off about what would Jesus do/say, nevermind about faith in things unseen.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/11/09/liberals/comment-page-2/#comment-11022</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Nov 2004 21:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The nuance that you fail to pick up on is the difference between &quot;Christian&quot; and &quot;religious&quot;.  Compared to Europe, we are a more religious country than they are, IIRC, only 10-20% Europeans claim to be religious, while in the US, 60-70% claim to be religious in some form or fashion.  

The Anglican State is a religious sect.  Secularism is a religion in that secularism is a faith system.  We were not founded on secularism, we were founded on the Biblical premise that all men are created equal by the Almighty.  Secularist and atheist believe we were&#039;nt created, we just happened, somehow, somewhere.  

Rather than a secular nation, I think the term you want is religion-neutral, but even so, it doesn&#039;t take away from the intent that our founding fathers had in that our morality comes from God.  Secularist deny that.

The Christian State is a non-denominiational collective.  This is the common ground that we here are on.  And as long as we remain a democratic republic as proscribed in our articles of federation, the secularist or any other cannot change that.  Sorry, go find another country, or go convince 2/3 plus 1 in every State before we will ever accept your premise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The nuance that you fail to pick up on is the difference between &#8220;Christian&#8221; and &#8220;religious&#8221;.  Compared to Europe, we are a more religious country than they are, IIRC, only 10-20% Europeans claim to be religious, while in the US, 60-70% claim to be religious in some form or fashion.  </p>
<p>The Anglican State is a religious sect.  Secularism is a religion in that secularism is a faith system.  We were not founded on secularism, we were founded on the Biblical premise that all men are created equal by the Almighty.  Secularist and atheist believe we were&#8217;nt created, we just happened, somehow, somewhere.  </p>
<p>Rather than a secular nation, I think the term you want is religion-neutral, but even so, it doesn&#8217;t take away from the intent that our founding fathers had in that our morality comes from God.  Secularist deny that.</p>
<p>The Christian State is a non-denominiational collective.  This is the common ground that we here are on.  And as long as we remain a democratic republic as proscribed in our articles of federation, the secularist or any other cannot change that.  Sorry, go find another country, or go convince 2/3 plus 1 in every State before we will ever accept your premise.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Marshall</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/11/09/liberals/comment-page-2/#comment-10976</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph Marshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Nov 2004 14:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Otherwise, what’s the point of repeating such a false meme?&quot;

The United Kingdom has a legally &quot;established&quot; church.  It is called the Anglican Church and the Queen is the titular head of it.  This is FACT, not a &quot;meme&quot; (whatever that may be). That is WHY the United Kingdom is a &quot;Christian nation&quot;.

Italy has a legally &quot;established&quot; church.  It is called the Roman Catholic Church and the Pope is the head of it.  This is a FACT not a &quot;meme&quot;.  That is WHY Italy is a &quot;Christian nation&quot;.

Iran has a legally &quot;established&quot; religion.  It is called the Shite version of Islam.  This is a FACT not a &quot;meme&quot;.  That is WHY Iran is a &quot;Muslim nation&quot;.

Saudi Arabia has a legally &quot;established&quot; religion.  It is called the Sunni version of Islam.  This is a FACT not a &quot;meme&quot;.  That is WHY Saudi is a &quot;Muslim nation&quot;.

The United States has an Amendment to its constitution directly prohibiting the &quot;establishment&quot; of ANY religion.  This is a FACT not a &quot;meme&quot;.  This is WHY the United States is a &quot;secular nation&quot;.

Of course there are some heads around so dense that mere facts will not penetrate them, even with a charge of smokeless cordite behind them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Otherwise, what’s the point of repeating such a false meme?&#8221;</p>
<p>The United Kingdom has a legally &#8220;established&#8221; church.  It is called the Anglican Church and the Queen is the titular head of it.  This is FACT, not a &#8220;meme&#8221; (whatever that may be). That is WHY the United Kingdom is a &#8220;Christian nation&#8221;.</p>
<p>Italy has a legally &#8220;established&#8221; church.  It is called the Roman Catholic Church and the Pope is the head of it.  This is a FACT not a &#8220;meme&#8221;.  That is WHY Italy is a &#8220;Christian nation&#8221;.</p>
<p>Iran has a legally &#8220;established&#8221; religion.  It is called the Shite version of Islam.  This is a FACT not a &#8220;meme&#8221;.  That is WHY Iran is a &#8220;Muslim nation&#8221;.</p>
<p>Saudi Arabia has a legally &#8220;established&#8221; religion.  It is called the Sunni version of Islam.  This is a FACT not a &#8220;meme&#8221;.  That is WHY Saudi is a &#8220;Muslim nation&#8221;.</p>
<p>The United States has an Amendment to its constitution directly prohibiting the &#8220;establishment&#8221; of ANY religion.  This is a FACT not a &#8220;meme&#8221;.  This is WHY the United States is a &#8220;secular nation&#8221;.</p>
<p>Of course there are some heads around so dense that mere facts will not penetrate them, even with a charge of smokeless cordite behind them.</p>
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		<title>By: Kiki B.</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/11/09/liberals/comment-page-2/#comment-10967</link>
		<dc:creator>Kiki B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Nov 2004 08:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andy,

Oops!  That last post was actually from me, Kiki B.  Sorry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy,</p>
<p>Oops!  That last post was actually from me, Kiki B.  Sorry.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/11/09/liberals/comment-page-2/#comment-10966</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Nov 2004 08:12:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom B.  the old history books are just chock full of such quotes that leave no doubt about our foundation.  But like the removal of the 10 commandments from city halls and courthouse, our schools have removed all trace of God from our history.  Seems &quot;Dead White Men&quot; is a good secular smokescreen for ranting at God.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom B.  the old history books are just chock full of such quotes that leave no doubt about our foundation.  But like the removal of the 10 commandments from city halls and courthouse, our schools have removed all trace of God from our history.  Seems &#8220;Dead White Men&#8221; is a good secular smokescreen for ranting at God.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom B.</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/11/09/liberals/comment-page-2/#comment-10938</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Nov 2004 02:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andy,

Just refer Joseph to my previous post on what our Founding Fathers based this country on.  It&#039;s CHRISTIANITY.  The Patrick Henry quote defines this quite well.  I&#039;m just sorry that there are people out there who will read this, and still don&#039;t get it.  Andy, I&#039;m glad you do get it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy,</p>
<p>Just refer Joseph to my previous post on what our Founding Fathers based this country on.  It&#8217;s CHRISTIANITY.  The Patrick Henry quote defines this quite well.  I&#8217;m just sorry that there are people out there who will read this, and still don&#8217;t get it.  Andy, I&#8217;m glad you do get it.</p>
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		<title>By: firebird</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/11/09/liberals/comment-page-2/#comment-10935</link>
		<dc:creator>firebird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Nov 2004 02:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How the liberals are lamenting kerry losing the election and how they must be whinning about it all the time for the last week they have been whnning i&#039;ll bet they&#039;re feeling pretty stupid and well they must look it to and how their still bringing up this global warming nonsense what a bunch of jerks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How the liberals are lamenting kerry losing the election and how they must be whinning about it all the time for the last week they have been whnning i&#8217;ll bet they&#8217;re feeling pretty stupid and well they must look it to and how their still bringing up this global warming nonsense what a bunch of jerks</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Nov 2004 00:42:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe M, do you have any citations from the founding fathers that definitively state that ours is a secular nation not founded on Christian, not religious, beliefs?  

Otherwise, what&#039;s the point of repeating such a false meme?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe M, do you have any citations from the founding fathers that definitively state that ours is a secular nation not founded on Christian, not religious, beliefs?  </p>
<p>Otherwise, what&#8217;s the point of repeating such a false meme?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike D in SC</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/11/09/liberals/comment-page-2/#comment-10910</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike D in SC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Nov 2004 23:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Woo Hoo!!! I live in the reddest county in SC!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Woo Hoo!!! I live in the reddest county in SC!</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Marshall</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/11/09/liberals/comment-page-1/#comment-10832</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph Marshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;My next question Joesph is what “value” do you place your beliefs?&quot;

If you are truly interested, you can read all about it on my blog, particularly the posts &quot;The Buddhist View of &#039;Original Sin&#039;&quot;  and &quot;On Being Liberal and Religious&quot;, Parts 1,2,&amp; 3.  I&#039;m not going to wear out my welcome here by dragging all that content onto this comment page.

The short version is that Buddhists are not moral merely because a particular religious book said so, they are moral for reasons involving several goals they are trying to accompish with that moral conduct.  

In the Buddhist view, personal moral responsibility begins AND ends with one&#039;s own thoughts and actions, and we hold no brief to make everybody else &quot;moral&quot; with the power of the State.

As to the &quot;Christian nation&quot; business, I would suggest that because America has actually been a secular nation from it&#039;s founding, most Americans haven&#039;t a clue what &quot;establishment&quot; really means or what a &quot;Christian nation&quot; really is.  Italy, Ireland, and the U.K. are &quot;Christian nations&quot; in law.  

They have &quot;established&quot; Christian churches.  We do not and are not.  Period.  The mere fact that we have historically had a lot of Christians running around here from time immemorial is irrelevant to the legal status of religion in this country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;My next question Joesph is what “value” do you place your beliefs?&#8221;</p>
<p>If you are truly interested, you can read all about it on my blog, particularly the posts &#8220;The Buddhist View of &#8216;Original Sin&#8217;&#8221;  and &#8220;On Being Liberal and Religious&#8221;, Parts 1,2,&#038; 3.  I&#8217;m not going to wear out my welcome here by dragging all that content onto this comment page.</p>
<p>The short version is that Buddhists are not moral merely because a particular religious book said so, they are moral for reasons involving several goals they are trying to accompish with that moral conduct.  </p>
<p>In the Buddhist view, personal moral responsibility begins AND ends with one&#8217;s own thoughts and actions, and we hold no brief to make everybody else &#8220;moral&#8221; with the power of the State.</p>
<p>As to the &#8220;Christian nation&#8221; business, I would suggest that because America has actually been a secular nation from it&#8217;s founding, most Americans haven&#8217;t a clue what &#8220;establishment&#8221; really means or what a &#8220;Christian nation&#8221; really is.  Italy, Ireland, and the U.K. are &#8220;Christian nations&#8221; in law.  </p>
<p>They have &#8220;established&#8221; Christian churches.  We do not and are not.  Period.  The mere fact that we have historically had a lot of Christians running around here from time immemorial is irrelevant to the legal status of religion in this country.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:09:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey La Shawn,

Reggie is injured (broken hand), but still on the roster. Might be time to hang it up and wait for the Hall of Fame induction.

I will never forget the 8 points in 8.9 seconds at MSG in 1995 or the 25 pt 4rd quarter in 1994. Take that Spike Lee!

I will now have to read your blog with a certain degree of skepticism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey La Shawn,</p>
<p>Reggie is injured (broken hand), but still on the roster. Might be time to hang it up and wait for the Hall of Fame induction.</p>
<p>I will never forget the 8 points in 8.9 seconds at MSG in 1995 or the 25 pt 4rd quarter in 1994. Take that Spike Lee!</p>
<p>I will now have to read your blog with a certain degree of skepticism.</p>
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		<title>By: Kiki B.</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/11/09/liberals/comment-page-1/#comment-10798</link>
		<dc:creator>Kiki B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Nov 2004 08:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*blush*  Why thank you, Andy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*blush*  Why thank you, Andy.</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth B</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/11/09/liberals/comment-page-1/#comment-10791</link>
		<dc:creator>Elizabeth B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Nov 2004 05:17:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The people who don&#039;t like the red map probably don&#039;t like red pens either.  

There was an article about how more teachers were switching from red to purple pens for correction because it was &quot;friendlier.&quot;  

Give me a break!  

Here&#039;s the article link: http://www.boston.com/news/education/k_12/articles/2004/08/23/harshness_of_red_marks_has_students_seeing_purple/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The people who don&#8217;t like the red map probably don&#8217;t like red pens either.  </p>
<p>There was an article about how more teachers were switching from red to purple pens for correction because it was &#8220;friendlier.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Give me a break!  </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the article link: <a href="http://www.boston.com/news/education/k_12/articles/2004/08/23/harshness_of_red_marks_has_students_seeing_purple/" rel="nofollow">http://www.boston.com/news/education/k_12/articles/2004/08/23/harshness_of_red_marks_has_students_seeing_purple/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Nov 2004 03:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kiki, your history lesson was music to my ears.  Go Kiki, Go Kiki.... :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kiki, your history lesson was music to my ears.  Go Kiki, Go Kiki&#8230;. <img src='http://lashawnbarber.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Carl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Nov 2004 01:54:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this whole idea of a &quot;purple&quot; map is absolutely ridiculous.  In our system, it doesn&#039;t matter if you get 51% of the vote, or 100%, you still win.  Obviously, with a tight majority, you want to improve your numbers, but that is for the professionals to figure out.  Playing with shades of colours can really be misleading.  

As a side comment, I think the state of the Democratic party was shown on that blog that asked what was worse, Bush winning or 9/11.  The fact that Bush winning was seen worse by them indicates a party completely out of touch with reality, and only concerned about their own narcissistic, self-centred conceited view of the world</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this whole idea of a &#8220;purple&#8221; map is absolutely ridiculous.  In our system, it doesn&#8217;t matter if you get 51% of the vote, or 100%, you still win.  Obviously, with a tight majority, you want to improve your numbers, but that is for the professionals to figure out.  Playing with shades of colours can really be misleading.  </p>
<p>As a side comment, I think the state of the Democratic party was shown on that blog that asked what was worse, Bush winning or 9/11.  The fact that Bush winning was seen worse by them indicates a party completely out of touch with reality, and only concerned about their own narcissistic, self-centred conceited view of the world</p>
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