Not another shock jock!
I’d had enough of the Morton Downey, Jr. and Howard Stern types to last a lifetime. The first night I found Michael Savage, I tried to turn the dial (I have a retro Sony Walkman). But I waited and listened. OK, that makes sense, but what’s with the yelling?
I finally drew myself away and found something else to listen to. But the next night I looked for him. Who was that guy? Michael Somebody. Never heard of him. I tuned in again. And again. And again. His theme resonated with me: Borders, Language and Culture.
I stumbled upon the Savage Nation…a year and a half ago? Seems longer. He has millions of listeners, yet no conservative I knew admitted listening to him (a few have come forward). Michael Savage has been called a racist even by a few conservatives. Really? I never hear it. He’s been called rude, too. I hear that sometimes. While he’s offensive to some, I don’t think he’s a racist. I dig his passion about maintaining our borders.
In fact, that’s what drew me to his show. Never had I heard anyone stress the urgency of sealing our southern border. After I’d read about Middle Eastern men sneaking across with Mexicans, the only other person outraged and angry was Savage.
Yesterday I heard rumors about Mexican president Vicente Fox negotiating American immigration policy, but I didn’t believe it. No one was talking about it. I tuned in to Savage last night, and he had the whole story. President Bush, who I put back in office, is moving forward with his plan to grant amnesty to illegal aliens. I’m so angry right now that I’m forcing myself to remain calm and keep things in perspective.
Every time I write about illegal aliens on this blog, it always stirs up emotion. Normally clear-thinking people flip out when I blog about how dumb such a policy is and that we should round up illegal aliens and return them to their country of origin. They say my attitude is “un-Christian.” I’m still unclear on that part, but illegal immigration is a violation of U.S. law, is it not?
I wrote about this issue from a biblical point of view, from a La Reconquista! point of view, a gangs-in-Virginia point of view, rights-of-illegal-aliens point of view (Miranda warning after their arrest for being in the country illegally) and from an aliens-shouldn’t-receive-in-state-tuition point of view.
Savage is the only conservative I know who shares my passion about this issue, and listening to him is a way to channel my frustration toward the Bush administration and Republican lawmakers who will sit by and let this plan go through.
Like myself, Savage is an Independent Conservative. It’s times like this I’m really glad I’m not a Republican. Savage and I were outraged several months ago when George Bush, for reasons still unknown to me, poured praise all over Bill Clinton like syrup during a White House portrait unveiling of the impeached former president.
Because I seemed to be the only conservative confused (and vocal) about this, one of Savage’s producers found my post and asked me to come on the show. I gained many Savage fans as a result.
Some readers, who usually agree with most of what I write, disagreed with me on this issue, and I wrote a follow-up post about it.
Back to borders, language and culture, three of my favorite subjects. Savage says:
We as Americans inherited a country built on a lust for liberty and compassionate conservative values. At the Paul Revere Society, we understand that our freedom is not only our right, but also our responsibility. We refuse to sit back and watch liberalism trump ethics and morality through blatant ignorance and judicial arrogance. We will not let the earth around us quake as the Founding Fathers roll over in their graves every time the left attacks our schools, our faith, our national security, and, most importantly, our families.The liberal left is ashamed of our past, uncertain of our future, and lacks respect for the principles of personal responsibility. The America WE belong to cherishes our nation’s rich history and is confident in our potential. We share a love for the values that still resonate throughout the United States: free market capitalism, religious faith, individual liberty, and the idea that all are created equal and endowed by our Creator.
We believe in the Sovereignty of our Nation; that English is the national “glue” that holds us together, and that the Bible, the U.S. Constitution, the Bill of Rights and what they stand for are our common cultural heritage.
I wanted to come out of the closet and confess that I listen to the Savage Nation. Do you?
Also see Blogging Matt Drudge and Computing Dan Rather.
Update: Malkin reports on a rarity: deportation.
As of 9:14 a.m., Drudge is headlining news of Bush’s amnesty plan.
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Links: Tucson Citizen: Crossing the border, again and again and again
Arizona Republic: Prop. 200 vote panics immigrants
LA Times: Arizona Stirs Up Immigration Stew
Heather Mac Donald (in City Journal): Homeland Security? Not Yet
Update II (11/13): The Pinata Smugglers
I listen to him when I can. He has an irritating style but I must confess solidarity with him on many issues. I wish I knew what else to do to get our government to defend our nation. I live in southeastern Arizona and am all too familiar with this problem. It is way worse than people in other parts of the nation can even imagine. And yes, I voted for Bush even though I totally disagree with him on immigration issues.
Comment by BobG — 11.10.04 @ 7:04 am
I have heard him a few evenings driving home later than usual. His style seemed negative and whiny and I couldn’t listen more than a few minutes. I never got past his style to actually hear what he was saying.
Hmmm…I may have to try again.
Comment by Mary — 11.10.04 @ 7:33 am
I listen to him every chance I get and am currently reading his book, “the Savage Nation” and let me tell you, it is fantastic! I will read that book and get so fired up and find myself grinning from ear to ear that someone else is saying everything that I have wanted to say myself!
I too voted for Bush, but find his immigration policy astounding! How they do not get this issue is amazing to me. To spend so much time talking about protection from terrorism, and then, to turn around and leave that border as unprotected and wide open as it is will one day come back to haunt us!
Comment by Torrey — 11.10.04 @ 7:49 am
Savage grows on you. The more you listen, the more you like him. Michelle Malkin’s views on immigration policy are similar to Savage’s I think. Although I am a conservative I do not agree with a tough immigration policy.
I think we should relax the border requirements and encourage immigration. People with the courage to lash themselves to pieces of plywood and inner tubes and brave shark infested waters to get here are the sort of people we need here. They are the ones who are going to produce and to raise their children to be producers and contributors.
Comment by Pat Wilson — 11.10.04 @ 7:50 am
I have been listening to Savage for about 10 years now. Back when he was just a Saturday night fill in. He can make you laugh so hard you have to stop driving and pull to the side of the road. Good issues that he addresses as well.
Comment by Iceman 1955 — 11.10.04 @ 8:04 am
So, LaShawn, are you going to be on his show or what? If so, let us know when.
Comment by Donna — 11.10.04 @ 8:15 am
I have heard him a few times when I am out late running errands or walking the dogs, but I have to agree with BobG, his style is abrassive. I agree with much of his agenda and his points, but I can’t take much of him in one sitting.
But I have much the same feeling about O’Reilly’s radio show, so that may tell you something.
On a somewhate related note, we have a second consrvative talk radio station here in Philly! There must be more underground republicans and libertarians than I thought to support both (this city that votes 3 or 4 to 1 Dem). The hard part is picking which host to listen to on a given day, esp in light of national, world and local events (I know, I know, don’t complain about having choice).
Comment by SCSIwuzzy — 11.10.04 @ 8:22 am
Hi Donna - I was on the show this past June.
Comment by La Shawn — 11.10.04 @ 8:24 am
The Leprechan ain’t got nothing on Savage.
I didn’t even see this post yet when I commentted on Condoms and Cucumbers, but I knew that I had heard that on Savage’s show.
Yay, La Shawn. Thank you for posting on my favorite talk show host.
Though he doesn’t want the job, I would vote for him for Prez in a heartbeat.
Comment by Joshua — 11.10.04 @ 8:50 am
I LOVE YOU, La Shawn
Comment by Joshua — 11.10.04 @ 8:56 am
I’ve heard Savage a number of times. Abrasive, yes. How many times does an individual need to chant “red doper diaper baby lawyer” in a single show? What’s that all about? How am I enlightened or informed from that?
I don’t think Savage embodies the Christian ideal of loving the sinner while hating the sin — I see Ingraham, Hewitt, Medved and especially Prager (the last two who are, take note, Jewish) as doing that much better. There’s nothing particularly helpful about telling a caller he dislikes to go choke himself and/or die.
Comment by Tim (Random Observations) — 11.10.04 @ 9:00 am
He’s quite controversial, which is why I decided to blog about him. I hope it generates lots of discussion!
He made me angry once when he was rude to a nice caller. I vowed never to listen again, But then something big happened in the news and I wanted his take on it.
Joshua - Somehow, I knew you’d like this post!
Comment by La Shawn — 11.10.04 @ 9:03 am
LaShawn,
I think he is a wonderful talk show host. As for racist, I have no problems with what he says. Blacks might not like some of his stance on social issues. Hispanics might hate his immigration policies, so what’s new?
As for immigration, I understand the many arguements on amnesty and deportation. What I see as striking my nerves, is the siphoning off of services in states like Texas,Arizona and California. These states are being simply overwhelmed by the influx of aliens. I can’t see how someone would view this as “un christian” to not want to have tons of aliens pouring across the borders. Also, when we get to the point that we are suing the US government because there are no water stations in the desert for aliens as they come across the border, we have a problem.
Comment by Dominic — 11.10.04 @ 9:10 am
I listen to him whenever I get the chance! Yes, a lot of his ideas are pretty extreme - but, honestly, I think that’s what it takes to combat the Left Liberal extremists that are pushing so hard to exterminate ANY idea that doesn’t fall in line with what they want.
Comment by Ernest S. — 11.10.04 @ 9:20 am
I have no problem admitting that I listen to him when I can. I like his style a whole lot. I grew up in the northeast, so when I listen to him, it is like being home. I would choose him over O’Leprechaun any day of the week!
Comment by Duane — 11.10.04 @ 9:55 am
First of Savage hates the sinner and the sin…he’s not yet a Christian. But he is a strong advocate for us (Christians)
He is abrasive because that is who he is… he has also been so sensetive as to bring me to tears. I am an avid listener.
Yesterday was preempted by the Portland [Jail] Blazers!!
Comment by Joshua — 11.10.04 @ 10:11 am
I do listen, quite often. I don’t always agree because I tend to be pragmatically
Republican in the hope of keeping the Dems out of power, but, I do appreciate his purist sort of conservatism which we need to keep the pols honest.
Comment by Autumn — 11.10.04 @ 10:45 am
La Shawn,
As a resident of Arizona (and a construction contractor), I see (hundreds) of illegal workers every single day. Our government, in concert for “decades” with the centuries old corrupt Mexican government who rob from their own people, have created this mess. I have compassion for the workers themselves but, no tolerance for amnesty for law breakers.
As for Savage, been a fan for years.
Comment by Dave in AZ — 11.10.04 @ 11:12 am
I agree with most of your commenters about his abrasive style. I listen to him, but only when Sean Hannity gets on my nerves too much. They are the only two political talks shows on in the SF Bay Area during evening drive time.
I am also curious about the show in Philadelphia that SCSIwuzzy referred to. My favorite host, one that never annoys me is Glen Beck. His show is based out of Phily.
Comment by Doug Purdie — 11.10.04 @ 11:12 am
Savage is too irritating to be taken seriously in the long run. Shouting and going into apoplectic fits does nothing to advance the discussion of ideas (see: Larry O’Donnell). I think he has a multiple personality disorder.
The cat is out of the bag as far as illegal immigrants. We could NEVER fairly and peacefully round up all those who have entered illegally, and I sincerely hope no one wants to see death squads on the prowl looking for these folks.
A guest worker program is a good start and would help to at least get a handle on the scope of the problem.
Republicans & conservatives might do well to look at themselves here, too. How many of your dollars do you spend on enterprises supported by the labors of illegal aliens? How many of your staunchly conservative construction boss friends hire only documented citizens? How about all those restaurants you frequent? Do your restaurant-owner friends check all the papers all the time? How about your yard workers?
Now I’m ranting like Mr. Savage…
Comment by Glen — 11.10.04 @ 11:58 am
The answer to Michele’s question is 2 to 12 months. This is the main reason Cal is in such bad shape fincially. To be specific - Crimes commited by criminal aliens and wellfare for criminal aliens. It why Prop 187 got 2/3 of the vote 12 years ago and why the Attn. Gen who took a dive in “defending” it got crushed when he ran for Gov.
Rod Stanton
Cerritos
Comment by Rod Stanton — 11.10.04 @ 11:59 am
Savage is not the person I would want to stand for me in the court of public opinion. Even when they deserve it, name-calling probably isn’t the best path to victory. As for being a racist, I can’t look in to a man’s heart, so I try to avoid this label if I can. That said, he makes me uncomfortable.
Michelle Malkin is with out a doubt the go-to person on immigration and I perfer her to him. Much easier on the ears…
…and the eyes!
Comment by Steven J. Kelso Sr. — 11.10.04 @ 12:02 pm
I don’t. Adding him to my list of talk radio would be too much. I’m enough of a junkie.
On the illegal thing, I’m with you. Especially since illegal immigration from the south is covering up potential terrorists coming in via the human cargo routes.
Comment by DarkStar — 11.10.04 @ 12:28 pm
Savage has the stones to say exactly what he feels and has the intelligence to present his point of view much better than 90% of those on the radio today.
He does get worked up and looses focus at times, but who hasn’t?
I miss the drive home I had on the 101 in SoCal when I got to listen to him each night. I left SoCal (thank God) right after the Santa Barbara station that aired him went “wuss” with some program that bashed Bush and would not stop talking about people’s FEELINGS.
There are times when I wonder what the President means when he says he is protecting this country while the “Rio Grande Marathon” continues.
This is my first visit here, LaShawn, I think this site is great!
//jcrue
Comment by jcrue — 11.10.04 @ 12:34 pm
I don’t like Savage’s style. He sounds incredibly bitter and angry. However, now I have no idea where I can listen to him to give him another chance.
I tried reading his book, which is awful–it’s written like how he talks. He also presents himself in the intro as someone who’s always had conservative values, though he used to be a liberal. He should’ve shared his process of “conversion”.
I wonder if people who are pro-illegal immigration live in those neighborhoods, or have even gone to them.
Comment by mj — 11.10.04 @ 12:34 pm
One does not have to be “pro illegal immigration” to understand that the scope of the present problem demands a more workable solution than “round ‘em all up and send ‘em back”.
I am a firm believer in the rule of law, including in regard to this problem. That being said, I can also see with my own eyes here in Houston that there is NO way in the world to peacefully round up thousands of “illegals” and ship them back to Mexico or wherever. It would be akin to the police stopping every person who even marginally exceeded the speed limit.
If you have realistic, workable solutions, let’s hear ‘em!
Comment by Glen — 11.10.04 @ 1:16 pm
The amnesty ploy is strictly an economical one. Illegal aliens don’t pay their share of taxes. Make them legal and you increase your tax base.
In the mid 80’s I worked for a company in Dallas that had a penchant for hiring illegal aliens. It was easy to do in those days. Hire one, and they tell all their friends. And, no one was looking over your shoulder to say don’t do that.
I grew to respect the people and the culture. All of them that I grew to know worked hard. They lived crowded together in houses or apartments to save expenses. Most all sent money back to family in Mexico. All claimed a zillion dependents on their tax witholding so that nearly zero was withheld.
About 1988 we went through the first amnesty that I remember. At the time I had a good friend who was illegal, Gerardo. He came to stay with me in Little Rock after I moved back because he felt it would be easier to go through the (at the time rumored) amnesty plan here. Within months they announced it and the requirements were somewhat stiff — you had to prove gainful employment for, I think, three years or better. Gerardo had pay stubs and rent receipts for the past 10 years!
Gerardo made it through with no problems. As far as I know, he’s still living a productive, hard working life back in Dallas.
At the worst, you have documented the undocumented workers here and can keep track of them better.
Oh, and I’ve listened to Savage a few times, but am not normally near a radio at that time of night.
Comment by Greg — 11.10.04 @ 1:45 pm
I have the highest respect for the president, and I hope this does not sound crass. But frankly, his position on immigration seems to be a political calculation. Hispanics are a growing minority in the U.S. and will soon eclipse blacks as the dominant minority. The Republican party MUST make inroads into this demographic if they expect to remain the majority party in the United States. There will simply not be enough white rural voters in the future to sustain the Republican party.
Also, the GOP has little hope of cracking the Democratic party’s stranglehold on blacks whose blind allegiance to that party has marginalized themselves from the mainstream of persuadable voters and have renderend themselves as irrelevant to the U.S. political process as Canadians. Hispanics still have an open mind about the GOP, and as such, we have an opportunity to persuade them over into our camp. This is why you see the party discarding its age-old stringent party on immigration.
I realize this is not the most palatable reason for changing our immigration policies, but it is the political reality.
Comment by Tom B. — 11.10.04 @ 2:19 pm
Savage was on MSNBC for awhile I agree with some of his ideas but the name calling gets to me. He was dropped after telling a gay to drop dead and die of AIDS. That type of commentary turns me off of Rush as well. If someone is socialistic or communistic, use those terms. I will not seek him out on the radio. Part of our conservative approach has to be to talk in a civil manner.
Comment by Pat in NC — 11.10.04 @ 2:54 pm
In the mid 80’s I worked for a company in Dallas that had a penchant for hiring illegal aliens. It was easy to do in those days. Hire one, and they tell all their friends. And, no one was looking over your shoulder to say don’t do that.
Greg- it’s easier to hire illegal aliens now because workplace enforcement has almost entirely ceased. I can find the links for this given a little time. What would she do: (1) one piece of fairly counterfeit-proof of id showing someone has the right to work in the US, plus a means of quick verification like that used for credit cards. The ICE has dozens of different forms verifying legal status- some very easily forged, (3) we should use the same asset forfeiture laws that are used for drug dealers for employers of illegal aliens (4) double or triple fence the entire border and put the military there.
Comment by steve risher — 11.10.04 @ 3:08 pm
correction: line 7 should read “what we should do”
Comment by steve risher — 11.10.04 @ 3:10 pm
GLEN, GLEN, GLEN,
Nobody is talking about a halt of all other national business while we take a month or two to ROUND UP illegal immigrants and use many resources to deport them via plane, trane and truck and boat.
THE SOLUTION which people like Michelle, Michael Savage, La Shawn and I would probably agree with is actually starting to deport 1 and then 5 and then 10 and then 20. As they are processed through the normal everyday system, instead of remaining in our over-crowded jails (yes there are illegal immigrants in our jails) or getting any benefit from any one of our many handouts (WIC, AFDC, SSI) or getting stopped for speeding on a highway…. why not actually do what we should have been doing and deport the people that aren’t here legally. You can be brought to a place to make your case that yes you are a citizen and you just have your wallet inside your house or whatever. But then if you are proven to be illegal, deport deport deport.
The problem Glen is that people like you and Michael Medved (God Bless Michael Medved because he is right on every other issue) can’t here us and close your ears to us who think that deportation should start to happen.
Once the deportation starts to happen it would slow the FLOW across the border and also people who are here illegally would think twice about raising their heads in any way. They wouldn’t want to be seen. They wouldn’t try to get benefits. They wouldn’t be as blatant as they are now (even demanding drivers licenses and the right to vote).
I hope you heard this time. And I hope that Michael Medved is pointed to this post in this blog.
But I know that’ wishful thinking.
Comment by Baklava — 11.10.04 @ 3:11 pm
Thanks for the assessment, Baklava. I’d like to add an important point:
LAW ENFORCEMENT MUST BE ALLOWED TO ASK THE CITZENSHIP STATUS OF PEOPLE THEY STOP AND/OR ARREST.
They must also be allowed to contact the proper immigration authorities if the person is here illegally or if they refuse to answer. Did you know that illegal aliens may not have a right to a court-appointed attorney? Break the law yet take advantage of the protections afforded to citizens? If I were Queen of the world…
Comment by La Shawn — 11.10.04 @ 3:21 pm
I just recently escaped from San Francisco. Michael Savage is still there. That is why he is so enraged so often.
San Francisco is filled with filth. The streets have urine and feces in them. There are needles on the sidewalks. Tens of homeless bums squat on many corners, dealing drugs in the open, at noon, in front of churches and right next to ATM machines, newsstands, restaurants, clothing stores. Strangers on the street call you a bigot if they hear you say that you opposed the mayor’s “legalizing” gay marriage. Sex clubs exist for every perversion, and the local newspapers write stories about how people “explore” the experiences, but smoking in a bar makes people foam at the mouth.
The city gives $400/month to anyone who says the are homeless. When the people voted to change that to vouchers for city services, a local court decided that the voters didn’t have the right to decide how city money was spent. The hotel workers are currently fighting a lockout by the hotel industry (which is collapsing under the lack of tourism for the above reasons) by disturbing the peace 24 hours a day outside of hotels in the major business districts.
Michael Savage feels the siege every single day. If you live somewhere where you only get outraged by reading the web, or watching the news, you can avoid it, and go back to your nice life. But if you live somewhere where you can’t avoid the Left, the filth, the scum, the intolerance and bigotry if you believe in the free market, or God, or the right to life, then you spend most of your hours every day holding your tongue. And then, spending 3 hours a day hearing someone rant makes you feel sane again.
I think Savage says things that are very very uncomfortable. I don’t think he’s a racist. I do think he is saying that if we don’t fix things inside this country, then we could end up in the same overt fight for our lives that is currently going on in the Netherlands, in France, in Canada, or even in Iran. This scares people. But it should. He is also saying that if we don’t solve this problem, fix this culture war, then we will have another real war on our hands. If we don’t stop the invasion of our country by Islamofascism, or the Left supporting Islamofascism, it will be very difficult to stop people from responding by using nukes against Mecca or even Paris.
I heard him say something risible once: he said “why shouldn’t arab americans be asked to make a loyalty oath.” Sure, that sounds over-the-line. But he was shrewd. Every Single Person who called up to say that he was over the line said so much more than that: they all said they HATED AMERICA, that they wanted America to fall, that they were loyal to Islam first. That they would kill him. That they would get all of us. 20, maybe 25 callers like that. His comments brought out the truth.
I don’t feel the need to listen to Savage so much anymore either; I escaped, and I’d rather concentrate on love, kindness, compassion, temperance, forgiveness. I’d rather stop feeling under siege, and start creating something beautiful in my community. But I think mostly, if you felt threatened, Savage is the person to help you feel less alone. And sometimes, we need to be shaken up and feel threatened. The threat is real.
Comment by greifer — 11.10.04 @ 3:36 pm
I left the GOP over the illegal alien amnesty proposition before 9/11 hit and no longer call myself a Republican. I finally realized I was more conservative than the conservatives who said they spoke for me.
Is it time to consider the American Constitution Party again? If Christians truly voted according to their supposed “faith issues” then they would have to repudiate the Republicans and go with the ACP.
LaShawn, we have talked before about the difficulty of the illegal alien issue and Christianity. It is not an easy topic. Still, the Bush doctrine of amnesty only invites further abuse. Other, better options exist, but they are not being sought out. When you have prominent people like Alan Greenspan saying that open borders would be the best thing for our country, well, that’s a problem.
I used to listen to Savage on KSFO when I lived out in the Bay Area. That was where he started before he was syndicated nationally. I don’t listen to him anymore, though, since his rage seems to have gotten the better of him. The issues he raises are still valid and should be discussed, though, even if his expression of them has been poisoned somewhat by his ire and unrestrained delivery.
Comment by DLE — 11.10.04 @ 3:42 pm
Well it’s certainly nice to know that I’m not the only black person who listens and reads michael Savage. Your story of how you found savage on the radio, is almost identical to mine. The first time I heard him, I thought to myself who is this madman, but at the same time, I couldn’t turn him off and kept going back for more. You gotta love a man who makes Anne Coulter sound tame.
Comment by Eric — 11.10.04 @ 5:28 pm
Thanks for the comments, everyone!
Pat - Savage was ill-advised to go on TV, and I knew something like that would happen. His excuse was the guy called to bait him into such a response, and he fell for it. But we control our own actions. We can’t let people drags us as far down as they are.
DLE - The very phrase “open borders” makes me shudder.
Here’s how we can approach illegal immigration, ala Savage. Start deporting illegal aliens and as they leave, cut back or elimate welfare for the able-bodied and make them seek jobs. People should work at whatever job brings in money for their support. In fact, why should their support be a concern for me? This is the land of plenty. The problem is that some think they’re too good for certain jobs (or just lazy), even if it will feed their family. Twisted socialists have convinced them it’s the government’s responsibility to make sure they have shelter, food and healthcare. Hogwash. People need to EARN these things.
Comment by La Shawn — 11.10.04 @ 5:37 pm
Too bad Michael Savage has a Mrs. Savage. Otherwise there would be Ann Savage possibilites.
Comment by Baklava — 11.10.04 @ 5:37 pm
LaShawn,
If you like Savage, you will love TERRY ANDERSON, a black man who “tells it like it is” and tells people regarding illegal immigration “If you ain’t mad, you ain’t paying attention”. He has a radio show that airs each Sunday night at 9:00pm eastern time. I suggest you post a blurb about this man. I must admit that I’m biased; I write for him, nonetheless, his message deserves your time. His website is http://www.theterryandersonshow.com (redoing it now. not much there) You can visit http://www.americanpatrol.com on sunday night and they provide an easy “listen live” like to listen to his show.
Regards
Comment by Bucktowndusty — 11.10.04 @ 5:49 pm
I can take a big deep breath and smile here.
I have a son that I am so very proud of. This young blonde haired blue eyed man surely makes a girl’s heart go pitter patter!
Why? Well, he wore a uniform. He was displined after a grueling three month program in waking up to an awful sound at 6:00 am. Not the sound our schools hear all across this country when the bell goes off. It was a wake up call alarm that was deafening and he along with his class mates, sat up straight, bobbled their heads and put their hands across their ears to protect them. Was not a sound the MaMa hear used to get him up. It was how our new troops were to get up NOW, dress yourself, go to the mess hall and eat your breakfast gulping it down as fast as you could. Then off to studying the laws of our immigration and exercise to the point of exhaustion, then off the the gun ranges and shoot at targets.
Yep, that is a tiny bit of what my grown kid did daily in order to become a United States Border Patrolman. A proud Mom flew to Georgia and cried liked a little baby girl as he stood in line to go get his official pin! It was especially heart warming because his Father was allowed to walk up upon that stage to pin him. His father in the early 1971 came home from Viet-Nam and went to college but he had sent off to be a hopeful to join Our US Border Patrol. Silly Mom here got so emotional and was suppose to take video of him as my son walked uo to that stage and capture the moment.
Dah, I was so emotionally happy and while trying to keep one of my eyes in the camera and the other closed so I could get a real good shot, ahhh…oops! I looked up over the camera with both of my eyes.
Fast forward to when my kid gets his duty in McAllen, Texas and Mom goes to see the youngest, my little man he arranged for quite a few of his band of brothers to come to his home. I was so excited meeting OUR US BORDER PATROLMEN! I was like a little girl in a doll house having so much fun meeting all these handsome young men. My kid then gathers his brothers around him and he puts on the video his proud Mom took!
Well, I see the room filled with families and then you see our young men lining up to recieve their official pins and title. OOPS! The next thing we all get to see is the legs from the knees down of men in their green uniforms. My son leaps out of his chair and points to his knees and feet and says, “Honestly, that is ME!”
Guess what I did? I started to sink and slump and turned the the color fuschia! “Oh My Lord” popped out of my mouth! My son walks over to me while everyone was laughing and hooting at the, G R E A T M O M E N T, captured on film!
“YEP! That’s MY MOM! He then pats my head and says, “Mom, that’s OK, you did after all teach me how to walk. You did teach me to walk a straight path even when I strawed!”
I can not stress enough how wonderful Our United States Patrol Officers are. They are good men. It bothers them to make an arrest on an old woman out in the farms on a hot blistery day. They know the good folks that came here to work hard and earn a decent pay. They must still make arrests that bothers them everyday, everyday! But, they have to arrest illegal aliens. They have to detain many they do not want to, but they have to!
Our Border Patrol are mamaged by the political parties. They are told to spend some hours just sitting in one spot. It is called, A Stand DOWN! No more arrests! You are catching to many and it is making the government look like we are being too harsh. We are not thinking of the people that just want to come here and work and if it makes the news, well…America is RACIST and CRUEL!
Take time to listen to, Savage, SAVAGE! Take time to read, Michelle’s book, Invasions. Once you have read those two author’s books then Judge Savage, Malkin and La Shawn. Get your facts straight.
My son is no longer in the US Border Patrol. He was constantly thrown the three finger while wearing his green uniform. He was under fire to the Mexican Mafia, the Mexican Federales and told NOT TO FIRE BACK! The locals with the money in the finer clubs, eateries, and homes did not want any raids. RAIDS were then called off. This recently happened in a Posh neighborhood in California. As our agents were ready to do a big round up, the fine Mayor was informed…illegals in corruption of bringing in illegal weapons and importing men and women making $60,000,00 on an easy day. The raid was called off not wanting to disturb the “posh” neighborhood scaring families living there.
My son is working in the new formed Homeland Security. I go to bed at night wondering why he is treated awful from politicians and groups that claim these United States should allow everyone to come on in.
Thank you for your support of SAVAGE, SAVAGE and MINDLESS MALKIN! I am glad to be called a RACIST if that is what the uninformed want to brand me.
Comment by Janelle — 11.10.04 @ 6:25 pm
We always hear the nonsense about illegals filling jobs Americans won’t take. If you’re able bodied you should take whatever is available and if you so desire look to better yourself from there. If you don’t work, you don’t eat. It’s that simple. I have a fairly good paying job but once I was out of work and took a job at Walmart for 3 months until I found something else. I washed and waxed the floors in the store in the wee hours of the morning. If someone feels that is beneath them, then the price of pride is hunger.
By the way, La Shawn, you do a great job here!
Comment by BobG — 11.10.04 @ 6:28 pm
America was built on Liberalism and progressional ideas. Paul Revere was a revolutionary. Not a ‘compassionate conservative.’ The USA is the result of liberals, and im proud of that.
Comment by Mariachi — 11.10.04 @ 6:34 pm
Mariachi, The USA was the product of people who valued God’s morality and believed that the best philosophy, bar none, SI contained within the pages of the Bible — if one never read anything but the Bible, he would be an educated and wise person. In fact our democratic republic is not suitable for governance of man without God and the 10 commandments on which the Declaration of Indpendnce, Constitution and Bill of Rights were founded.
Compassionate conservative, liberalism and progressional ideas had nothing to do with it. It’d behoove you to read what our founding fathers and mothers actually said, instead of regugitating post-modernist re-interpretations.
Comment by Andy — 11.10.04 @ 7:33 pm
I listen to Savage, and generally agree with him; however, I think his weakness is that he often takes unrealistic positions that are easy to take as a talk show host, but would be impossible to take as President. For example, he has often said that we should have nuked Fallujah — easy to say, and he will never have to face the consequences of such a move. It is also tiresome to hear him berate the president for not have taken these kinds of positions.
On the amnesty issue, I think we should give Bush the benefit of the doubt until we see the details. I also believe that Bush is trying to take a carrot and stick approach. If he only took a stick approach, it would never fly and we would forfeit the Hispanic vote for a generation. If he documents the undocumented who are already here, and combines that with strict inforcement from here on out, it will be effective and practical. Bush has to know that if we are hit by a terrorist attack that came across the Rio Grande, he will pay for it politically. I think he takes this issue seriously, but is trying to approach it in a way that will not alienate Hispanic voters.
Comment by Fr. John Whiteford — 11.10.04 @ 7:39 pm
Rewarding lawbreakers. Bad precedent. And doing so to buy the votes of a racial group? Hideous. I guess I’m just naive.
Comment by La Shawn — 11.10.04 @ 7:49 pm
I should also have added that I don’t believe many Americans have the stomach for the mass deportation of 10 million illegal aliens. So it is not just the Hispanic vote that is at stake, but the whole enchillada. We are a compassionate people, and it would be political suicide to do it too. The best thing to do is deal with the people who are already here, and stop the flow.
Comment by Fr. John Whiteford — 11.10.04 @ 8:09 pm
John W, by your comments I can tell that you do not regularly visit the following:
http://www.vdare.com
http://www.americanpatrol.com
http://www.numbersusa.com
If you did, you’d feel quite differently. I suggest you bookmark the sites I mentioned, read each site for two weeks, and come back to LaShawn’s site and comment further.
Comment by Bucktowndusty — 11.10.04 @ 8:17 pm
P.S. John, Do you have locks on your doors and windows? If so why? Are you trying to stop the flow of people who seek a better life from your own house? Why not let 5 illegals live in your house so they can work menial house chores that you loathe. You can amnesty them and let them live in a spare room. When they get sick, you can care for them, when they… you can build an addition on your house. When they can’t communicate with you, you can hire an interpreter. After all, that’s compassionate. (Compassion such as the one you espouse is always on someone else’s dime)
Comment by Bucktowndusty — 11.10.04 @ 8:23 pm
Bucktowndusty,
I’m all for shutting down the border. The question is what to do with the people who are already here. You can say all you want, but it doesn’t change the fact that if you put the mass deportation of 10 million people to a vote, the vast majority of Americans would not go for it. We live in representative democracy, and so that’s just the way it is. Now, if America ever becomes an absolute monarchy, your ideas may have a chance.
Comment by Fr. John Whiteford — 11.10.04 @ 8:38 pm
So you at least agree we should shut the borders? That’s a start. It may be impractical to deport millions, but let’s not allow millions more into our country illegally. We need to ENFORCE immigration law, too. As buck said, “compassion” always sounds like a good idea when it’s costing someone else and not ourselves. The government can keep its compassion and concentrate on protecting its CITIZENS from blood-thirsty murdering thug terrorists.
Comment by La Shawn — 11.10.04 @ 8:42 pm
La Shawn, in a perfect world, illegal immigrants wouldn’t ever be an issue. However, this is indeed a broken world and mass deportation only adds to the misery, not only for them, but for us as well–think of the economic hit we would take.
I see a possible and compassionate resolution, and Bush has the political capital to expend on, dare I say, a nuanced and credible position on the following;
1) State unequivocably that future illegal border crossing will not be tolerated beginning on a certain date.
2) Lay out the terms for amnesty, set up a review board for every city & town — say about a 30 mile radius — and give all illegals 90 days to register for an amnesty review hearing and receive a number.
3) In that 90 day grace period, those that know they won’t qualify may as well pack up their bags, take care of loose ends and leave. On their way out, they will have to submit to a biometric exit registration, so we know who they are should they think about returning before the “undocumented statute of limitations” runs out. (depending on circumstances, several years to never)
4) Those who think they have a shot at amnesty will continue as before while waiting for their hearing. the same conditions will also discourage those trying to sneak across, since a) they won’t be able to meet the qualifications, & b) if caught, they will be registered via biometrics and barred for life — it’d make sense for them to wait and go thru proper channels.
5) Any found here after 90 days without a review number will be summarily barred for life.
6) The results of the review could run the gamut from a 3-month per year guest worker visa (seasonal workers) to a green card. (Before ya’ll get blown out of shape, all of the conditions need to be thot out and codified before we start the process.
7) Once the wrinkles have been ironed out, we can then begin processing foreign applicants from their home country for temporary work visas.
Once we have an orderly process, the burden on employers to vet potential empolyers will be dramatically lightened and workers will pay into the tax base — all the more reason for a flat tax/sales tax system. And we will have realistically (can never 100% eliminate w/o becoming a police state) and dramatically reduced the illegal problem
Comment by Andy — 11.10.04 @ 8:52 pm
Savage has an idea of an “Oil for Illegals” program.
Pres. Fox needs to fork over some oil, to help offset the socio-economic impact that these illegals are bringing to the border states.
Comment by Joshua — 11.10.04 @ 8:54 pm
Savage has been preempted by the Jail Blazers again, so I am listening to the Larry Elder show.
He’s discussing the illegals problem right now.
Comment by Joshua — 11.10.04 @ 8:56 pm
Andy - suggesting reading the Bible alone makes you an educated and wise person is ludicrous. The Bible is actually off on several major issues, most notably the ’story of creation’ and evolution. Reading the Bible may teach you a lot. It does not however, ‘educate’ you as such.
The creation of America had nothing to do with Christianity. Great Britain was also a strong Christian nation. The reasons behind the revolution were political, not religious, and certainly not Christian. America was technically a place where any religion could be practised freely.
Comment by Mariachi — 11.10.04 @ 9:37 pm
Mariachi, I’d say you won’t find much of value on this blog if that’s your starting point. La Shawn’s foundation is laid on the Rock of Ages, and she has a perspective far different from yours.
All other ground is sinking sand….
Comment by LawWife — 11.10.04 @ 10:19 pm
I listen to Savage, but he was really making me mad right before the election. lol Now that it’s over, I’ll listen to him again.
Comment by RepJ — 11.10.04 @ 10:44 pm
I absolutely agree that we have to shut down our borders, and know exactly who is here. Pre-911, it was cultural/ legal/economic issue. Now it is a matter of survival.
Comment by Fr. John Whiteford — 11.10.04 @ 11:29 pm
I don’t think you understand my points, most especially regarding Savage’s call to “round up and deport” all the illegal aliens. Yes, he said and meant ALL the illegal aliens. That is ludicrous and unworkable and anyone who believes otherwise is delusional.
Nowhere did I say I was in favor of “open” borders, or that I didn’t want to stem the tide of illegal aliens. I simply stated that it would be nearly impossible to force the return of the millions who are here right now without facing a nation-destructing battle in the streets.
Yes, stop the flow. Do it the most humane, most efficient way possible. Check the qualifications of people applying for benefits, by all means. Everyone who applies for public welfare should be required to prove citizenship AND residency.
And Andy, you said, “The USA was the product of people who valued God’s morality and believed that the best philosophy, bar none, IS contained within the pages of the Bible.”
If our forefathers were truly intending to follow the WHOLE Word of God, they did a lousy job. I believe the Bible is the inerrant Word of God. Nowhere in there do I see justification for the exploitation of hundreds of thousands of African and Chinese slave laborers who were forced to do the bidding of their “God-fearing” white masters. The USA is the product of the greatest amalgamation of races, creeds, colors and religions ever known on this earth, not the singular province and product of Christians.
Comment by Glen — 11.10.04 @ 11:29 pm
You’ve gotta get used to his style, but I listened to Michael Savage before his show went national and he “offended” some bigwigs and got taken of his home station here in the Bay Area (KSFO 560 AM). If I hunt around I can find him on one of the newer stations.
I have no issue with legal immigration…but if you are committing a felony merely by breathing the air here, you should not be rewarded…nor should you move ahead of those following the legal process.
Maybe we can start swapping liberals for Mexican immigrants…an exchange program of sorts
PurpleMD
lone conservative christian black female physician in the San Francisco Bay Area
Comment by purplemd — 11.11.04 @ 1:35 am
La Shawn,
Imagine this…
You are Christopher Columbus.
You love reading your bible, for within it, is a wealth of stories where you can learn the difficulties, and the triumphs of regular people all around you.
The heartaches, the prostitutes, the wino’s, the tax collectors, the weak, the strong, men and women of courage, family relations torn, a woman giving her child up for adoption, and two women fighting over a baby. One claimed she was the babies mother, the other claimed she was the mother. The sacrifice the real mother was willing to make so the baby would not be killed by a King. Men and women caught in adultry, thieves, judges, captivity, freedom, brillant plans drawn up by cubic inch crafting a fine boat, building fine altars to have false idols to adore and cherish thinking that was the right way to pray. Rich people, poor people, religious hyprocracy, hope, faith for things unseen yet, murder, rape, courtship of love, sexual beauty, sexual things such as homosexual and beasts, wisdom, fortitude, peace, understanding.
Christopher Columbus was, absolutely was…A Christian…
I do believe he was one of the very first politicians of this great country!
A Queen gave him money. Where did she get her money? He wondered if the world was flat. He had a deep burning desire to see if perhaps there was something he could do to find out. He wondered if possibly there could be a better life, or was this the best that there was?
He cheerished his book. He knew of his history and reading this book, gave him hope, faith, and courage learning the things that had gone wrong in his book, and how to do things right. He learned to have a dream, to chart out a course.
He set sail with his faithful bible on a roaring sea not knowing what was, nor did he know if he could die. The book gave him incredible faith, so he hung in there.
Christopher Columbus, knew not where all the money came from, knew not exactly where his plans would lead him. He found the world was round afterall. He found a land of opportunity and he fell in love here.
I Believe Christopher Columbus, Was Our First Politician!
And…he loved, Jesus.
I’ll be happy to let the uninformed here that it was also christians that formed this nation and only one had a hard time. He was a unitarian, and he was the one that held out until the end when his fellow friends, countrymen drew up, The Constitution. He was leaning on the sermon’s of the times.
Our Country needs stiff rules for immigration.
I’ll let others fill in the uninformed.
(O/c…Mary J.
Comment by Janelle — 11.11.04 @ 2:50 am
Mariachi, youse belives what cha want.
The Bible said the world was round long before man rediscovered that fact only a few hundred years ago. The Bible hasn’t said anything that has been refuted by modern science, but things that appear to be erroneous only means that man hasn’t discovered the answer yet. Look at how certain cherished theories are falling apart with regards to relativity, quantum, strings and even ye olde big bang.
If you ask me, it’s one thing to believe in a god, but it is rather silly and infinitesimal to look around you and believe there is no creator.
I choose to believe that that creator is the God of the Old and New testament and Jesus his son who paid the supreme price for our rancid, worthless hides because He loved us. So now I and others who believe have our blessed assurance of spending eternity with Him.
That said, discussing aspects of Christianity vis a vis other religions is one thing, but spouting God is dead or religion is an opiate ain’t gonna sway most anyone hanging out around this corner.
Comment by Andy — 11.11.04 @ 3:06 am
Savage will offend many, but much of what he articulates is true…for the 1940’s and 1950’s. He is in a time warp, he is conceited, he is arrogant. He is also extremely bright, extremely knowledgeable, extremely articulate, and very often extremely right.
The truth is, we can’t nuke Baghdad (which he has advocated) or Fallujah (which he has advocated) since there is such a thing as fallout. Prevailing winds would likely blow it either north to the Caucasus and east to Iran, Afghanistan, and India. Not a pleasant scenario.
His solution for illegal aliens is ludicrous for three reasons. First, it would be not only cost-prohibitive, but impossible to round them all up for deportation. Second, there are INS hearing procedures which must be followed or risk breaking our own laws. Third, even if they could be rounded up and deported they would be back the following week unless we put guard towers on the border in which they would probably fly to Canada and come across that even more porous border. In addition, while many, if not most, of the newcomers are not likely to Americanize their kids are and their grandkids probably will.
On language and culture he is spot on! He is definitely right about one thing which I share with him. The best time to have grown up in was the fifties, without doubt!
Comment by Allan — 11.11.04 @ 5:43 am
Andy, im not familiar with every aspect of the Bible - but i wasnt aware the Bible said the Earth was a sphere. If so, then thats impressive. However, its important to note the Catholic Church disagreed whatever the Bible said. People who dared to say the Earth was a sphere, or that the Earth actually revolved around the Sun and WASNT the centre of the universe were frequently locked up.
The Big Bang theory is falling apart? This is news to me. This theory is still the accepted story on how the Universe came into existance. It can be backed up on paper with science. Same with Relativity, and same with Evolution.
I’ll say the same to you - you believe what you want also. I think the idea of a creator, whatever he/she/it maybe is a tad flawed, as the theory moves round in circles. I.e if a creator created the universe, then who created this mighty creator? You get me?
In regards to Jesus, he hasnt ’saved’ me. I was born nearly 2000 years after this man.
I dont intend to sway anyone, or patronise peoples religious beliefs.
Comment by Mariachi — 11.11.04 @ 8:29 am
John, just visit the sites I mentioned. Curiously, you didn’t comment on them, so either you think you know enough on this issue, or your are avioding finding out more.
Comment by Bucktowndusty — 11.11.04 @ 8:56 am
Mariachi - I pray God — the omnipotent, omniscient Creator of the universe including you — has mercy on you and opens your eyes.
Comment by LawWife — 11.11.04 @ 12:33 pm
Glen you said “If our forefathers were truly intending to follow the WHOLE Word of God, they did a lousy job. I believe the Bible is the inerrant Word of God.”
Such is the nature of politics and compromise. The only way to bring everyone on board and present a union of States was to let everyone have their piece. Even so, there were plenty that had to hold their noses and permit slavery. Nevertheless, it was their hope that by the way the articles were drafted that over time people would eventually come into alignment.
If you will recall, it was the north that used the constitution to hold the high moral ground in keeping the union intact and the confederacy that tried to secede. If our founders were such craven failures, it would have been the other way around with the North trying to secede from the union.
Just as the Catholic church was wrong in many things over the years, eventually, in fits and starts they have come more into alignment with Biblical teachings. Martin Luther would barely recognize the Rome of today compared to what he had protested.
Much of that can directly be attributed to the educating and liberating effect of the Guettenberg Press, which made the Bible cheaply available to the common man. It’s one thing to be told what to believe by leaders with no recourse to challenge, it’s another to have the texts for personal study and the wherewithal to challenge teachings — critical thinking.
Afterall, thing of whence the colonials came. Serfdom, lordships and the divine right of Kings and Queens with the power of life and death. This sense of power was a corruption of God’s explicit intructions to them and the clergy.
This is what our forefathers sought to be free of, naturally, they came over with plenty of political & social baggage of pedigrees and peerage. It is only natural that issues like slavery and class would take time to be purged from the system. In other words you can’t condemn a people by taking the prevailing mores out of context.
However, it is more important to look at how far they have advanced in a given situation. It goes w/o saying, the GOp is more closely aligned with our founding fathers’ ideology than the Dems and that’s what we’re trying to conserve.
By the same logic, the Dems are the ungenrated Massas of old, they’re only now operating under new PC pretextes, nevertheless the mentality is still the same, ‘Me Lord, You Peon’
Think about that!!
Comment by Andy — 11.11.04 @ 1:19 pm
I like savage for his naked swims with allen ginsberg. Ah, the counterculture.
Then, he started screaming at his friends.
Now he does it on the radio. For everyone. Must make more money than a PhD in ethno-medicine.
Comment by actus — 11.11.04 @ 3:53 pm
Whether it’s true or not, actus, we all learn from our dumb moments and mistakes. One day, God willing, perhaps you’ll learn from yours.
Comment by La Shawn — 11.11.04 @ 4:00 pm
‘One day, God willing, perhaps you’ll learn from yours.’
I hope to god I don’t begin a slow descent from screaming at my friends, confronting them, all the way to doing it for a national audience everyday.
Comment by actus — 11.11.04 @ 4:48 pm
I truly feel this blog is one of the finest and most intelligent blogs on the internet. La Shawn blogs about things that are imperative. Her site is filled with insights and good solutions into the problems these United States.
Having a son serving this country under the umbrella of Homeland has me deeply concerned. I am a Mother and I can not express enough how important it is for people that read this blog must get involved. Please read the terrific web sites that have been offered here. Find out about your neighbors and continue to report suspicious activity in your community.
Comment by Janelle — 11.11.04 @ 4:59 pm
Mariachi, if you are a seeker of truth, then I’d suggest you go to Answers In Genesis, if you dare. For, I must caution you to be prepared to have all of your cherished beliefs in scientific knowledge trumping the Bible debunked, in every practically every subject matter.
While the term “spin” is realtively new, edumacted folks have been spinning the science to prove there is no creator, yet every new revelation causes them to go back and respin inconvenient truths that point back to God. Hence, it is my belief that those clinging on to the spin have been bamboozled.
Here’s two references:
Flat vs Round Earth; As for all “church fathers” insisting that the flat earth is true, balderdash. As for those individuals that did, they were wrong for the simple fact that when they read their Bibles, they refused to read exactly what the scripts had to say.
So who’s bad is that? Don’t blame God for misinterpretations/misunderstandings by fallible man — that’s a problem that happens time and time again, people thinking too much therefore concluding that their thinking is flawless.
Of course it’s taught in the Bible. Isaiah 40:22 refers to ‘the circle of the earth’, or in the Italian translation globo. The Hebrew is translation khug, and German is Kugelwhich means sphericity or roundness.
Even if the translation ‘circle’ is adhered to, think about Neil Armstrong in space—to him, the spherical Earth would have appeared circular regardless of which direction he viewed it from. Job 26:7 teaches that the Earth ‘hangs upon nothing’. See http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/critics.asp#flatearth for more.
As for “learnedness/God is dead” morality, I quote this excerpt:
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http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2004/0419compass_prog1.asp
“God has given us so much evidence that ‘all men are without excuse’ (Romans 1:20). However, ‘proof’ is different, because that means deducing a conclusion from a more authoritative premise. If we tried to use ‘science’ to prove the Bible, then we would be placing science in authority over the Bible. But the Bible itself is the authoritative word of God, from which we should be deducing things—see Creation: ‘where’s the proof?’ Conversely, science actually works coherently only under premises derived from the biblical framework.
This is largely because much of the Church has compromised with false teachings. This is especially so in the UK, the home of uniformitarian geology and its spawn, evolutionary biology (see Darwin, Lyell and billions of years). Alas, many in the church thought that they could appease atheism by conceding large areas of knowledge to it, and naïvely thinking that the atheists might leave them a few crumbs, i.e. leave faith and morality to the domain of ‘religion’.
This is the same mentality of the UK Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain and the influential Cliveden Set, who thought they could appease Hitler by repeatedly giving in to his territorial demands. But Hitler kept on taking and conceded nothing in return, and so too the atheists.
Sadly many churchians never learn, and keep allying with atheists, praising Stephen Jay Gould and NOMA. However, as with Hitler, they should be very wary of agreeing to boundaries when the opponent is drawing them, and keeps on expanding enemy territory and shrinking ours.
There is no end to this slippery slide to unbelief. After all, Jesus told Nicodemus (John 3:12): ‘I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things?’ If Jesus was wrong about earthly things (like a recent creation (Mark 10:6) and a global Flood (Luke 17:26–27), was He also wrong about a heavenly thing like John 3:16, only four verses later? If not, why not? Scripture becomes a restaurant menu, where one chooses only the parts that suit, while sliding down to total unbelief. Many atheists testify that their rejection of the Bible and Christianity started with compromises on Genesis.
After all, morality and doctrine are inextricably linked to history and science, so that whatever Scripture affirms on scientific or historical matters is also true. For example, Jesus linked the key moral issue of marriage to the creation of Adam and Eve right ‘from the beginning of creation’ (Matthew 19:4 ff., Mark 10:6 ff.). Christ’s chosen apostle Paul linked the key doctrine of the Resurrection to the historical fact that Jesus’ body had vacated the tomb on the third day. The Resurrection also impinges on science, because naturalistic scientists assert that it is impossible for dead men to rise. And Paul tied the meaning of Jesus’ death and resurrection to the historical accuracy of the event recorded in Genesis (1 Cor. 15:21–22).“
Comment by Andy — 11.11.04 @ 5:21 pm
HAPPY DEAD ARAFAT DAY!!
Comment by Joshua — 11.11.04 @ 7:55 pm
I listen to Savage as often as I can. Yes he can grate on your nerves at times and begin screaming in an instant, but it is such a relief to hear someone express openly and with such energy and emotion what I am thinking and feeling myself much of the time. I find myself barely able to contain my frustration at the current immigration policies of this administration. Excellent Blog, thanks La Shawn.
Comment by Fred Noah — 11.11.04 @ 11:19 pm
I love the Savage Nation! I love the show and the Enemy within is one of my favorite books of all time.
Comment by Davey — 11.12.04 @ 1:51 am
John W and Glen, John W. and Glen….
Read my first post please. While you want to argue with Savage (not us) I think La Shawn has been saying (and I agree with her) that we share his passion for the issue.
This doesn’t mean that we think we should stop all other business in the country and use lots of valuable resources and round up 10 million illegal immigrants. If you could stop and pay attention Glen and John W. you would understand our message.
There are a few problems going on with immigration. There are a few solutions to turning it around.
1) There are close to zero deportations happening now. If we start to change that that alone would send a signal to illegal immigrants to lay low or get out on your own.
2) There are close to zero convictions of businesses hiring illegal immigrants under the table (getting away with no workers compensation and no social security contributions) now. If we start to change that that alone would send a signal to illegal immigrants that they can’t get hired and they would be more inclined not to come here and get out on their own.
3) The law enforcement and prison system is not aloud to take into account whether an individual being processed is an illegal immigrant or not. Therefore there are huge numbers of illegal immigrants in our jails and who get stopped by police for doing something WRONG and never get shipped to INS to get deported now. If we start to change that that alone would send a signal to illegal immigrants that they need to lay low or get out on their own .
Unfortunately for our side, there are people like Glen, John W. and even the very knowledgable and respectable Michael Medved who keep going on the premise that we are talking about “rounding up” 10 million illegal immigrants in a short period of time as if we think that can be done also.
We can’t ARGUE a premise that we don’t believe. We can only keep on trying to help you understand our perspective over and over. However if you don’t try to understand our perspective the illegal immigration problem will never get solved and you’ll continue to argue against our non-position. How helpful is that John W. and Glen ?
Comment by Baklava — 11.12.04 @ 1:11 pm
What is it with this ridiculous myth that Europeans in the 15th century believed the Earth was flat? That is utter nonsense.
It has been “known” that the Earth was a sphere well before Christ…
In fact, the ancient Greeks calculated the circumference using geometry and trigonometry… for example, look up Eratosthenes (around 250 BC), but also Pythagoras, Aristotle, etc…
Columbus should be given credit for his skills as a bold navigator, but everyone at that time already knew the Earth was a sphere…
Comment by jab — 11.12.04 @ 1:18 pm
Jab,
The common man and the common sailor knew no such thing. Some of the educated classes knew/suspected that the world was a sphere, but it was still Columbus who set out to prove it in a practical way.
There are still people that don’t realize the Earth isn’t flat, and I have encountered people with college degrees who thought the Sun revolved around the Earth…
Comment by SCSIwuzzy — 11.12.04 @ 1:37 pm
SCSIwuzzy,
Sorry, but that is just not factually true.
Sailors most definitely did know that the Earth was a sphere…
Any sailor/navigator of that time was educated
in basic astronomy because they used the stars to navigate.
Please do not continue to push the ridiculous myth that
Columbus set out on his journey to “prove” the Earth was a sphere.
Because I cannot link, I suggest you do an internet search on
Columbus, flat, myth…
Comment by jab — 11.12.04 @ 1:51 pm
The topic is “illegal immigration”.
1492 was over 500 years ago.
Let’s move on to the pressing topic at hand.
Comment by Baklava — 11.12.04 @ 2:02 pm
Firefly Blue
I haven’t finished it yet, but I’m reading a book called Firefly Blue by Jake Thoene. The plug on the back cover says “The Christian Tom Clancy” and whenever I see a review like that I roll my eyes.
Why? Well, I recently saw the worst movie …
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