Why? Well, I recently saw the worst movie …

1492 was over 500 years ago.

Let’s move on to the pressing topic at hand.

Sorry, but that is just not factually true.
Sailors most definitely did know that the Earth was a sphere…
Any sailor/navigator of that time was educated
in basic astronomy because they used the stars to navigate.
Please do not continue to push the ridiculous myth that
Columbus set out on his journey to “prove” the Earth was a sphere.
Because I cannot link, I suggest you do an internet search on
Columbus, flat, myth…

It has been “known” that the Earth was a sphere well before Christ…
In fact, the ancient Greeks calculated the circumference using geometry and trigonometry… for example, look up Eratosthenes (around 250 BC), but also Pythagoras, Aristotle, etc…

Columbus should be given credit for his skills as a bold navigator, but everyone at that time already knew the Earth was a sphere…

Read my first post please. While you want to argue with Savage (not us) I think La Shawn has been saying (and I agree with her) that we share his passion for the issue.

This doesn’t mean that we think we should stop all other business in the country and use lots of valuable resources and round up 10 million illegal immigrants. If you could stop and pay attention Glen and John W. you would understand our message.

There are a few problems going on with immigration. There are a few solutions to turning it around.
1) There are close to zero deportations happening now. If we start to change that that alone would send a signal to illegal immigrants to lay low or get out on your own.
2) There are close to zero convictions of businesses hiring illegal immigrants under the table (getting away with no workers compensation and no social security contributions) now. If we start to change that that alone would send a signal to illegal immigrants that they can’t get hired and they would be more inclined not to come here and get out on their own.
3) The law enforcement and prison system is not aloud to take into account whether an individual being processed is an illegal immigrant or not. Therefore there are huge numbers of illegal immigrants in our jails and who get stopped by police for doing something WRONG and never get shipped to INS to get deported now. If we start to change that that alone would send a signal to illegal immigrants that they need to lay low or get out on their own .

Unfortunately for our side, there are people like Glen, John W. and even the very knowledgable and respectable Michael Medved who keep going on the premise that we are talking about “rounding up” 10 million illegal immigrants in a short period of time as if we think that can be done also.

We can’t ARGUE a premise that we don’t believe. We can only keep on trying to help you understand our perspective over and over. However if you don’t try to understand our perspective the illegal immigration problem will never get solved and you’ll continue to argue against our non-position. How helpful is that John W. and Glen ?

While the term “spin” is realtively new, edumacted folks have been spinning the science to prove there is no creator, yet every new revelation causes them to go back and respin inconvenient truths that point back to God. Hence, it is my belief that those clinging on to the spin have been bamboozled.

Here’s two references:
Flat vs Round Earth; As for all “church fathers” insisting that the flat earth is true, balderdash. As for those individuals that did, they were wrong for the simple fact that when they read their Bibles, they refused to read exactly what the scripts had to say.

So who’s bad is that? Don’t blame God for misinterpretations/misunderstandings by fallible man — that’s a problem that happens time and time again, people thinking too much therefore concluding that their thinking is flawless.

Of course it’s taught in the Bible. Isaiah 40:22 refers to ‘the circle of the earth’, or in the Italian translation globo. The Hebrew is translation khug, and German is Kugelwhich means sphericity or roundness.

Even if the translation ‘circle’ is adhered to, think about Neil Armstrong in space—to him, the spherical Earth would have appeared circular regardless of which direction he viewed it from. Job 26:7 teaches that the Earth ‘hangs upon nothing’. See http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/critics.asp#flatearth for more.

As for “learnedness/God is dead” morality, I quote this excerpt:
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http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2004/0419compass_prog1.asp

“God has given us so much evidence that ‘all men are without excuse’ (Romans 1:20). However, ‘proof’ is different, because that means deducing a conclusion from a more authoritative premise. If we tried to use ‘science’ to prove the Bible, then we would be placing science in authority over the Bible. But the Bible itself is the authoritative word of God, from which we should be deducing things—see Creation: ‘where’s the proof?’ Conversely, science actually works coherently only under premises derived from the biblical framework.

After all, morality and doctrine are inextricably linked to history and science, so that whatever Scripture affirms on scientific or historical matters is also true. For example, Jesus linked the key moral issue of marriage to the creation of Adam and Eve right ‘from the beginning of creation’ (Matthew 19:4 ff., Mark 10:6 ff.). Christ’s chosen apostle Paul linked the key doctrine of the Resurrection to the historical fact that Jesus’ body had vacated the tomb on the third day. The Resurrection also impinges on science, because naturalistic scientists assert that it is impossible for dead men to rise. And Paul tied the meaning of Jesus’ death and resurrection to the historical accuracy of the event recorded in Genesis (1 Cor. 15:21–22).“

Having a son serving this country under the umbrella of Homeland has me deeply concerned. I am a Mother and I can not express enough how important it is for people that read this blog must get involved. Please read the terrific web sites that have been offered here. Find out about your neighbors and continue to report suspicious activity in your community.

I hope to god I don’t begin a slow descent from screaming at my friends, confronting them, all the way to doing it for a national audience everyday.

Then, he started screaming at his friends.

Now he does it on the radio. For everyone. Must make more money than a PhD in ethno-medicine.

Such is the nature of politics and compromise. The only way to bring everyone on board and present a union of States was to let everyone have their piece. Even so, there were plenty that had to hold their noses and permit slavery. Nevertheless, it was their hope that by the way the articles were drafted that over time people would eventually come into alignment.

If you will recall, it was the north that used the constitution to hold the high moral ground in keeping the union intact and the confederacy that tried to secede. If our founders were such craven failures, it would have been the other way around with the North trying to secede from the union.

Just as the Catholic church was wrong in many things over the years, eventually, in fits and starts they have come more into alignment with Biblical teachings. Martin Luther would barely recognize the Rome of today compared to what he had protested.

Much of that can directly be attributed to the educating and liberating effect of the Guettenberg Press, which made the Bible cheaply available to the common man. It’s one thing to be told what to believe by leaders with no recourse to challenge, it’s another to have the texts for personal study and the wherewithal to challenge teachings — critical thinking.

Afterall, thing of whence the colonials came. Serfdom, lordships and the divine right of Kings and Queens with the power of life and death. This sense of power was a corruption of God’s explicit intructions to them and the clergy.

This is what our forefathers sought to be free of, naturally, they came over with plenty of political & social baggage of pedigrees and peerage. It is only natural that issues like slavery and class would take time to be purged from the system. In other words you can’t condemn a people by taking the prevailing mores out of context.

However, it is more important to look at how far they have advanced in a given situation. It goes w/o saying, the GOp is more closely aligned with our founding fathers’ ideology than the Dems and that’s what we’re trying to conserve.

By the same logic, the Dems are the ungenrated Massas of old, they’re only now operating under new PC pretextes, nevertheless the mentality is still the same, ‘Me Lord, You Peon’

Think about that!!