First Stop: The American Thinker

by La Shawn on November 16, 2004

in Faith

Welcome to my blog, American Thinker readers! :)

The first stop for Worlds Collide on the Moral Divide is The American Thinker. I’ll send it to a few mainstream newspapers, though I’m not confident any will publish such an op-ed. The Washington Times may publish it.

Update: From a reader:

Many of my friends are in gay marriages. I am proud to honor the sanctity of their relationships — but I recognize that many others, for religious reasons, simply cannot. This does not make them bigots; it means that reasonable people of good conscience, like yourself, may take a different view based on their religious beliefs.

I believe it is precisely the sacred nature of marriage that places it outside of the Government’s purview. The State should recognize the rights of people to form legal contracts with one another — including marriages and domestic partnerships — but should not undertake to determine whose union is “blessed” and whose is not.

{ 22 comments }

SCSIwuzzy 11.16.04 at 9:42 am

Have you tried the NY Sun or the NY Post? They have a better then average track record for posting something less than PC

Wade Calvert 11.16.04 at 10:28 am

Great job La Shawn! I especially like your perspective on faith and guidance. Liberals want me to keep my faith to myself, and would have me believe that issues such as abortion, stem cell research, etc are faith neutral. This is where John Kerry failed. How can one declare their faith, yet set that faith aside when politically convenient? Keep up the good work!

Wade Calvert
Houston, TX

Jerry McClellan 11.16.04 at 11:29 am

In a word, brilliant!

A good point by Mr. Calvert, if liberals want me to keep my faith to myself then by the same logic, they ought to keep theirs to themselves as well. The reality is that it is your private beliefs that dictate your public actions whether you are “religious” or not.

I’ve had so many debates with folks on the very point you brought up Miss Barber about how we all are guided by a code or set of beliefs, an ideology if you will. Whether it is biblical or secular. Many in the Atheist and Secular Humanism crowd would strongly disagree with such an assessment. They claim to have no faith or ideology. It is amazing, many people actually believe they are being unbiased, nuetral and open-minded by professing a belief contrary to so called traditional religious dogma, claiming support from personal experience and science.

I think more people ought to take their core beliefs on any subject or issue to its logical end to see if it holds water. Maybe as a result, more individuals will begin towards more conservative leanings, at least in their thinking.

The Anchoress 11.16.04 at 11:48 am

Nice job, LaShawn – I DO think you might want to send it to the NY Post.

Rod Stanton 11.16.04 at 11:57 am

In additon to the Sun and the NY Post try the Dallas Morning News and the Union Leader in New Hampshire.
God bless you.

Tom Blogical 11.16.04 at 11:59 am

Great article, La Shawn. I can’t count the number of times I’ve defended the institution of marriage as one created by God, moderated by religious institutions, and recognized by the gov’t.; however the gov’t. is not preventing secular “coupling” to take place. One does not have the right to be convenienced in this country.

Steven J. Kelso Sr. 11.16.04 at 12:28 pm

Good luck! Let us know who picks it up.

Vanyogan 11.16.04 at 12:29 pm

I like the piece but please don’t hate me for this late critique.

I think you should have started with a clear statement of your point in the first paragraph. I’m just a consumer of op-eds, but it is so much clearer when you state the point in the opening paragraph and re-state it at the end. I think George Will is a master of this format. State the point, develop the point, restate the point. Will is so good that sometimes the first paragraph is definitive and the balance is redundant. You rarely get to the end of his columns without having already formed an opinion of his opinion.

Just some novice feedback…

I love your writing LaShawn.

Will 11.16.04 at 12:59 pm

LaShawn!

I am impressed with you and your blogs and articles. Ever since I discovered you, I’ve been going back to read your old stuff.

I’m a right-leaning black American myself, and I catch flack from family and friends who think Bush is the Devil, and conservatives live to hate them. Can you point me to any resources/blogs/articles to answer them? Especially the older folks who have ACTUALLY seen real and repeated racial discrimination. Thanks

Will

Nick 11.16.04 at 1:06 pm

While certainly many of our nation strive for God and do so by practicing what the Bible states, it is also true that our country is founded on the Constitution, not the Bible. While some of your article has strong points, I’m most concerned w/the homosexual marriage part.
Gay marriage can be had in this country, legally. Essentially what would happen is the term “union” would replace “marriage” in many circles of life, but realistically, they are the same thing. When a man and a woman marry at a courthouse, it is just a “union” but we term it colloquially as a “marriage”. Thus, the state should perform these ceremonies as a civil right granted to all human beings. Churches have the option to perform them as well, but that’s a choice to each faith.
The institution would still be preserved to those who oppose, while the rights would also be afforded. Let’s not forget, when married/unioned (if you will), there are other rights granted to the partner such as tax rights, visitation rights, etc. which simply being in love doesn’t warrant in our laws. These need to be b/c if we don’t grant them, equal rights as we know them would be a red herring.

Asher Abrams 11.16.04 at 1:12 pm

LaShawn,

Just when I thought I’d heard everything social conservatives could possibly say on the marriage and culture debates, you’ve come along and added a fresh perspective. Very fine column and I wish you success in getting it published.

Many of my friends are in gay marriages. I am proud to honor the sancitity of their relationships – but I recognize that many others, for religious reasons, simply cannot. This does not make them bigots; it means that reasonable people of good conscience, like yourself, may take a different view based on their religious beliefs.

I believe it is precisely the sacred nature of marriage that places it outside of the Government’s purview. The State should recognize the rights of people to form legal contracts with one another – including marriages and domestic partnerships – but should not undertake to determine whose union is “blessed” and whose is not.

Again, thanks as always for a great piece.

PS – Go Condi!

Montie 11.16.04 at 1:42 pm

Will,

Check out some of LaShawn’s archived posts and some of the blogs she is linked to and I’m sure you will find more than enough to back up your opinions.

La Shawn,

Your posts just get better and better. I have been in withdrawal for over a week, as I was out of the office and didn’t get a chance to read your blog the whole time. now that I’m caught up I feel so much better!

Wade Calvert 11.16.04 at 2:57 pm

In response to Mr. Abram’s comment above:

I respect your opinion, but we differ on a key point. The “right” to enter into legal contracts is not the same to me as the priviledge of the entitlement of marriage. Like most other privileges in life, it is the responsibility of the people to define the qualifications that deserve the privilege. We are always free to disagree on these qualifications. But it seems clear to me that the people have spoken.

Wade Calvert

Andrew 11.16.04 at 8:39 pm

Mr. Abrams,

I knew (theoretically) that there were reasonable minded people on the “other side” so to speak…but I don’t know that I’d ever actually heard from one until now.

Cheers to you.

Allan 11.16.04 at 8:58 pm

The problem I have with secularist values is that each person’s value system is based on her/himself. In other words, each individual becomes the measure of all things.

Christians obtain their values from an objective source, God. Those values are immutable, unchanging, eternal. Secularist values can change depending on the situation giving way to confusion and lack of clarity.

Thank you La Shawn for helping provide that moral clarity.

Shari 11.17.04 at 1:34 am

If our Constitution says we are given unenalienable rights by our Creator. We are one nation under God how can it be said that the right of two men laying up is a right from God. Aside from biblical world view civilizations have alwyas had men and women in a marriage, otherwise there woujld be no more people. There are some cultures such as muslim who still have polygamy. But to say taht if someone wants to be in a gay “marriage” adn shoyld be given certain rights I dont think is right. There aer already using legal remidies. Power of Attorney, ect. They just want the public to say its normal. and the aclu will defend them just as it did the man boy love association NAMBLA

Gary M. Volin 11.17.04 at 10:47 am

Religion is NOT a rational basis for the same-sex marriage ban. First of all, not all religions oppose same-sex marriage. Many religion groups support it, including the Universal Fellowship of Metropolitan Community Churches, which performs over two thousand same-sex marriage ceremonies a year. If the seperation of church and state means anything, it surely means that state cannot prefer the views of, say, Catholics and Baptists over those of Unitarians and Reform Jews because the former outnumber the latter. Remember, no one is proposing that faith communities be required to change their definition of marriage….The question at hand is civil marriage and civil marriage only. In a country where church and state are seperate this is no small distinction. Many chruches, for example, forbid divorce. But civil divorce is still legal. We need to stop discriminating in this country against gay and lesbian families. Enough is enough!! I happen to think that once people are informed with the facts it gets awful close to bigotry…..it is a fine line!

jab 11.17.04 at 2:11 pm

Gary,

The problem is that many on the right even deny the concept of separation of church and state… they loudly proclaim that the words “separation of church and state” never explicitly appear in the Constitution… and perpetuate this myth that it is merely a construct made up by liberals in the past 40 years.

SCSIwuzzy 11.17.04 at 2:50 pm

jab,
So, where is seperation mentioned in the Constitution, Bill of Rights or Declaration?
The first ammend forbids the govt from establishing a state-church. It forbids the govt to restrict religious speech and religious observance so long as the observance is itself already defined as a crime (ie no ritual human sacrifice, no festival of the summer burglary etc).
There is room for debate about how far the establishment clause extends… and the state and church are seperate institutions, there is no doubt of that. But nowhere does it say that the two cannot work together (faith based initiatives to help the poor/sick) or that people of faith cannot be in government; the objections to these many on left have and prosecute are what most on the right object to.

actus 11.17.04 at 4:03 pm

‘But nowhere does it say that the two cannot work together (faith based initiatives to help the poor/sick)’

doesn’t that violate the mandate that govt not ‘respect the establishment of’ religion?

Gary M. Volin 11.17.04 at 4:24 pm

Hello Jab!

I agree with your post! Again, none of this is to say that current definitions of marriage are unreasonable, that respect for tradition is irrational, or that the opposition of some religions to same-sex marriages is illegitimate. But we can see that definition, tradition, and religion by themselves are NOT rational bases for the government to ban same-sex marriages.

SCSIwuzzy 11.17.04 at 9:48 pm

actus,
How does it?

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