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		<title>By: SCSIwuzzy</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/11/26/white/comment-page-3/#comment-13307</link>
		<dc:creator>SCSIwuzzy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Dec 2004 16:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, a salesperson tries to get you to sepend beyond your means?  That is inflation?  Not.
As a consumer/buyer, it is your duty, not the salesmonkey, to know what you can afford.  They are out for a commission, not for your long term well being.
So, because some consumers are, to be blunt, stupid with their money the rest of us should suffer the consequences?
The point of the tax decuctions is to make ownership more affordable, and to offset the other expenses involved in owning property.  To encourage an ownership society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, a salesperson tries to get you to sepend beyond your means?  That is inflation?  Not.<br />
As a consumer/buyer, it is your duty, not the salesmonkey, to know what you can afford.  They are out for a commission, not for your long term well being.<br />
So, because some consumers are, to be blunt, stupid with their money the rest of us should suffer the consequences?<br />
The point of the tax decuctions is to make ownership more affordable, and to offset the other expenses involved in owning property.  To encourage an ownership society.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim R</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/11/26/white/comment-page-3/#comment-13305</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Dec 2004 16:31:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DarkStar: &quot;People look at the cost of the home and then say it is too much. The real estate agent then says, “Don’t forget that you can increase the number of deductions you take because of the mortgage interest you pay and the property taxes. That increases your income and the house becomes affordable.”

The cost of anything in a free and competitive market is driven by demand. Demand is increased by affordability, ie,lower interest rates(lower monthly payment) and job security(buyers perceived health of the economy). 

Don&#039;t blame the real estate agent for trying to make a home affordable for a buyer DarkStar. If it were your home and you bought it when the market was up, now you need to sell it, trying to just break even or reduce your loss. in a down market, you and the new buyer would both be served well. When looked at in today&#039;s up market, it looks like &#039;driving up the price of a home&#039;. 

What&#039;s more interesting about your comment is the question of whether there should be income tax deductions on home mortgages and expenses, or at least limited say to first time home buyers to give them an entry level advantage. I like that thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DarkStar: &#8220;People look at the cost of the home and then say it is too much. The real estate agent then says, “Don’t forget that you can increase the number of deductions you take because of the mortgage interest you pay and the property taxes. That increases your income and the house becomes affordable.”</p>
<p>The cost of anything in a free and competitive market is driven by demand. Demand is increased by affordability, ie,lower interest rates(lower monthly payment) and job security(buyers perceived health of the economy). </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t blame the real estate agent for trying to make a home affordable for a buyer DarkStar. If it were your home and you bought it when the market was up, now you need to sell it, trying to just break even or reduce your loss. in a down market, you and the new buyer would both be served well. When looked at in today&#8217;s up market, it looks like &#8216;driving up the price of a home&#8217;. </p>
<p>What&#8217;s more interesting about your comment is the question of whether there should be income tax deductions on home mortgages and expenses, or at least limited say to first time home buyers to give them an entry level advantage. I like that thought.</p>
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		<title>By: adrian</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/11/26/white/comment-page-3/#comment-13301</link>
		<dc:creator>adrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Dec 2004 14:13:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DarkStar,

Thanks for the clarification. I agree that ad hominem attacks aren&#039;t a substitute for argument---which is something that&#039;s in pitifully short supply these days.

Cordially,

Adrian</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DarkStar,</p>
<p>Thanks for the clarification. I agree that ad hominem attacks aren&#8217;t a substitute for argument&#8212;which is something that&#8217;s in pitifully short supply these days.</p>
<p>Cordially,</p>
<p>Adrian</p>
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		<title>By: DarkStar</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/11/26/white/comment-page-3/#comment-13296</link>
		<dc:creator>DarkStar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Dec 2004 04:34:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I was looking for my first home, the real estate agent used that logic to try to get me to buy a house 5-6 times my yearly salary. I would have qualified for the loan, but I would have been house poor.

Instead, I told her the maximum range I was willing to go. It was slightly more than 2 times my salary.

When I sold that house, the buyers brought the house at 3  times their combined salary. For grins, I checked the online tax records. The house was foreclosed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was looking for my first home, the real estate agent used that logic to try to get me to buy a house 5-6 times my yearly salary. I would have qualified for the loan, but I would have been house poor.</p>
<p>Instead, I told her the maximum range I was willing to go. It was slightly more than 2 times my salary.</p>
<p>When I sold that house, the buyers brought the house at 3  times their combined salary. For grins, I checked the online tax records. The house was foreclosed.</p>
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		<title>By: DarkStar</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/11/26/white/comment-page-3/#comment-13295</link>
		<dc:creator>DarkStar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Dec 2004 04:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Pray, tell us how tax reduction or income tax credit on home loans inflate the cost of homes.&lt;/em&gt;

People look at the cost of the home and then say it is too much. The real estate agent then says, &quot;Don&#039;t forget that you can increase the number of deductions you take because of the mortgage interest you pay and the property taxes. That increases your income and the house becomes affordable.&quot;

If that didn&#039;t happen, less people would be able to afford the house at the inflated price. The market would then adjust.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Pray, tell us how tax reduction or income tax credit on home loans inflate the cost of homes.</em></p>
<p>People look at the cost of the home and then say it is too much. The real estate agent then says, &#8220;Don&#8217;t forget that you can increase the number of deductions you take because of the mortgage interest you pay and the property taxes. That increases your income and the house becomes affordable.&#8221;</p>
<p>If that didn&#8217;t happen, less people would be able to afford the house at the inflated price. The market would then adjust.</p>
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		<title>By: DarkStar</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/11/26/white/comment-page-3/#comment-13294</link>
		<dc:creator>DarkStar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Dec 2004 04:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;is it right or wrong to call black conservatives/republicans race traitors?&lt;/em&gt;

I&#039;ve said quite a number of times that it is wrong. Along with that, i say that it should also be considered wrong to call whites who agree with Blacks, &quot;guilty white liberals.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>is it right or wrong to call black conservatives/republicans race traitors?</em></p>
<p>I&#8217;ve said quite a number of times that it is wrong. Along with that, i say that it should also be considered wrong to call whites who agree with Blacks, &#8220;guilty white liberals.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: SCSIwuzzy</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/11/26/white/comment-page-3/#comment-13233</link>
		<dc:creator>SCSIwuzzy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2004 16:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Darkstar,
Pray, tell us how tax reduction or income tax credit on home loans inflate the cost of homes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Darkstar,<br />
Pray, tell us how tax reduction or income tax credit on home loans inflate the cost of homes.</p>
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		<title>By: adrian</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/11/26/white/comment-page-3/#comment-13231</link>
		<dc:creator>adrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2004 16:20:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DarkStar:

Let me add for clarification that the &quot;you&quot; in my remarks about needing to argue wasn&#039;t you, DarStar, but the general you---I was thinking about people who call LB, Condi, etc. race-traitors instead of showing why they are wrong (if they are). I wasn&#039;t including you among those people, just asking your opinion about them.

A.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DarkStar:</p>
<p>Let me add for clarification that the &#8220;you&#8221; in my remarks about needing to argue wasn&#8217;t you, DarStar, but the general you&#8212;I was thinking about people who call LB, Condi, etc. race-traitors instead of showing why they are wrong (if they are). I wasn&#8217;t including you among those people, just asking your opinion about them.</p>
<p>A.</p>
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		<title>By: adrian</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/11/26/white/comment-page-3/#comment-13229</link>
		<dc:creator>adrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2004 16:06:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DarkStar,

I&#039;m not patronizing. I&#039;m frustrated, because you won&#039;t answer a simple yes or no question: yes or no, is it right or wrong to call black conservatives/republicans race traitors? 

Adrian</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DarkStar,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not patronizing. I&#8217;m frustrated, because you won&#8217;t answer a simple yes or no question: yes or no, is it right or wrong to call black conservatives/republicans race traitors? </p>
<p>Adrian</p>
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		<title>By: DarkStar</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/11/26/white/comment-page-3/#comment-13207</link>
		<dc:creator>DarkStar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2004 03:33:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Tax reductions on home loans encourage (and facilitate) home ownership.&lt;/em&gt;

Helping to inflate the price of homes, helping to keep some people out of homes, especially if they live in certain areas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Tax reductions on home loans encourage (and facilitate) home ownership.</em></p>
<p>Helping to inflate the price of homes, helping to keep some people out of homes, especially if they live in certain areas.</p>
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		<title>By: SCSIwuzzy</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/11/26/white/comment-page-3/#comment-13206</link>
		<dc:creator>SCSIwuzzy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2004 03:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tax reductions on home loans encourage (and facilitate) home ownership.  Home ownership increases stability.  And on average raises the tax base in the long run (property tax).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tax reductions on home loans encourage (and facilitate) home ownership.  Home ownership increases stability.  And on average raises the tax base in the long run (property tax).</p>
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		<title>By: DarkStar</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/11/26/white/comment-page-2/#comment-13194</link>
		<dc:creator>DarkStar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2004 01:47:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em &lt;Close to 90% of blacks vote Democrat. Those who vote Republican are liable to be called “race traitors.”&lt;/em&gt;

That&#039;s a nice line but how is it that some Republican politicians, Black and white, get sizable Black support in their communities? And why doesn&#039;t the GOP &quot;showcase&quot; those people instead of showcase the people who want to say, &quot;Whaaa whaa whaaa, Black people don&#039;t support me&quot;?

&lt;em&gt;How is that not “group-think&quot;?&lt;/em&gt;

If it&#039;s group-think then start calling it group-think to attack whites by calling them guilty white liberals because they agree with Blacks.

&lt;em&gt;If black conservatives are wrong, you’ve got to prove that they are with arguments, not baselessly attack their motives.&lt;/em&gt;

I&#039;ve argued the same point and I&#039;ve spent some time doing so as well as doing so when I disagree with &quot;Black liberals.&quot;

So, stop the patronizing.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em <Close to 90% of blacks vote Democrat. Those who vote Republican are liable to be called “race traitors.”</em></p>
<p>That&#8217;s a nice line but how is it that some Republican politicians, Black and white, get sizable Black support in their communities? And why doesn&#8217;t the GOP &#8220;showcase&#8221; those people instead of showcase the people who want to say, &#8220;Whaaa whaa whaaa, Black people don&#8217;t support me&#8221;?</p>
<p></em><em>How is that not “group-think&#8221;?</em></p>
<p>If it&#8217;s group-think then start calling it group-think to attack whites by calling them guilty white liberals because they agree with Blacks.</p>
<p><em>If black conservatives are wrong, you’ve got to prove that they are with arguments, not baselessly attack their motives.</em></p>
<p>I&#8217;ve argued the same point and I&#8217;ve spent some time doing so as well as doing so when I disagree with &#8220;Black liberals.&#8221;</p>
<p>So, stop the patronizing.</p>
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		<title>By: DarkStar</title>
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		<dc:creator>DarkStar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2004 01:43:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;I think it’s sad that black issues are defined in terms of government handouts in the form of welfare and skin color-related tax breaks.&lt;/em&gt;

Is it equally sad when support is based on handouts because you own a farm or want to open a Hooters on a boat or advertise overseas with the government&#039;s money or maintain tax deductions for home loans, or...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>I think it’s sad that black issues are defined in terms of government handouts in the form of welfare and skin color-related tax breaks.</em></p>
<p>Is it equally sad when support is based on handouts because you own a farm or want to open a Hooters on a boat or advertise overseas with the government&#8217;s money or maintain tax deductions for home loans, or&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 2004 16:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had similar thoughts myself when I posted on Dr. Williams&#039; article on my own blog last week (http://www.digitalbrownpajamas.com/digital_brownpajamas/2004/11/blackonblack_vi.html).  I USED to say that the main &quot;racism&quot; I&#039;ve been a victim of came from other black people; white liberals that I know are increasingly getting closer to crossing the line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had similar thoughts myself when I posted on Dr. Williams&#8217; article on my own blog last week (<a href="http://www.digitalbrownpajamas.com/digital_brownpajamas/2004/11/blackonblack_vi.html)" rel="nofollow">http://www.digitalbrownpajamas.com/digital_brownpajamas/2004/11/blackonblack_vi.html)</a>.  I USED to say that the main &#8220;racism&#8221; I&#8217;ve been a victim of came from other black people; white liberals that I know are increasingly getting closer to crossing the line.</p>
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		<title>By: adrian</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/11/26/white/comment-page-2/#comment-13096</link>
		<dc:creator>adrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 2004 15:02:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DarkStar,

&quot;I don’t toe the party line on issues, but don’t get called a race-traitor.&quot;

I&#039;m glad to hear that, but, with all due respect, you&#039;re evading the issue.

You know which party-line I&#039;m talking about. Close to 90% of blacks vote Democrat. Those who vote Republican are liable to be called &quot;race traitors.&quot;

How is that not &quot;group-think&quot;? How is calling black Republicans &quot;race-traitors&quot; not name-calling replacing argumentation?

If black conservatives are wrong, you&#039;ve got to prove that they are with arguments, not baselessly attack their motives. 

The first step towards overcoming a position you disagree with is to understand it---to understand it so well that you can give a stronger statement of it than even its proponents can. Only when you do that can you actually answer the opposing position, rather than just knock down a straw man.

Cordially,

Adrian</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DarkStar,</p>
<p>&#8220;I don’t toe the party line on issues, but don’t get called a race-traitor.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad to hear that, but, with all due respect, you&#8217;re evading the issue.</p>
<p>You know which party-line I&#8217;m talking about. Close to 90% of blacks vote Democrat. Those who vote Republican are liable to be called &#8220;race traitors.&#8221;</p>
<p>How is that not &#8220;group-think&#8221;? How is calling black Republicans &#8220;race-traitors&#8221; not name-calling replacing argumentation?</p>
<p>If black conservatives are wrong, you&#8217;ve got to prove that they are with arguments, not baselessly attack their motives. </p>
<p>The first step towards overcoming a position you disagree with is to understand it&#8212;to understand it so well that you can give a stronger statement of it than even its proponents can. Only when you do that can you actually answer the opposing position, rather than just knock down a straw man.</p>
<p>Cordially,</p>
<p>Adrian</p>
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