Ever heard of the National Council of La Raza? If so, you may know La Raza literally means “The Race.” No, it has nothing to do with the 100-yard dash. It refers to race, the subject we can’t stop talking about.
La Raza and its supporters try to downplay the racial element, claiming that the proper translation is “The People.” Which people? Hispanic people. In other words, the Hispanic “race.” The word games we play with each other…
George Bush’s nominee for Attorney General, Alberto Gonzales, the person who’d be in charge of enforcing federal law, is a card-carrying member of a group that wants to stop enforcement of United States immigration law.
La Raza touts itself as a “Hispanic think tank” concerned with poverty and discrimination. Among other things, they want to strip law enforcement of the ability to protect our country against terrorists so that “Latinos” here illegally won’t be deported. Arabs are crossing our borders along with Mexicans, but La Raza wants the borders to remain “open.”
Under the guise of “family reunification” this group advocates open immigration for Mexicans, which is not in the best interest of the United States. But as we know, Bush wants to legalize millions of illegal aliens, so having an Attorney General whose job is to enforce law rather than subvert it, isn’t unusual. And I voted for this man.
This kind of stuff makes me ill.
Back to race, race, race. Some say that La Raza is just another civil rights group like the NAACP, but an argument can be made that those organizations are also separatist. Here’s the hypocrisy: when whites do it, it’s called racist. When “minorities” do it, it’s called cultural awareness, improving opportunities or some such euphemism.
What’s the difference between La Raza and, let’s say…Council of Conservative Citizens (C of CC)? La Raza claims to “speak out” for Hispanics; the Council of Conservative Citizens, for white “European-Americans.” But one group is considered a hate group. Can you guess which one? Are only whites racists? Regarding race, C of CC says:
Most of the issues addressed by the C of CC and its local chapters have nothing to do with race. But, on some issues, such as forced busing, quotas and immigration, the Council does indeed speak out for white European-Americans, their civilization, faith and form of government, but we do not advocate or support the oppression or exploitation of other races or ethnic groups.The fact is that race influences politics, society, and culture. The great explorations, scientific discoveries, inventions, literature, art, and architecture encompassed by Western Civilization have no rival anywhere in the world. The C of CC recognizes that European Christian heritage is essential for the survival of our standard of living and way of life. There is no superior replacement for the civilization that has evolved through the Greeks, Romans, Celts, and Anglo-Saxons.
They’ve got a point, don’t you think? There isn’t a superior replacement for the civilization that evolved through the Greeks, Romans, Celts and Anglo-Saxons. If you don’t believe me, visit any country in Africa or the Middle East or anywhere else. I’m not going because I’m already convinced. Anti-American Americans need the perspective.
You won’t find such plain language on La Raza’s site, but you’ll find this under Health and Family Support:
While Latinos are affected by a wide range of risk factors and diseases, nearly every health disparity they experience could be prevented or more effectively managed given timely access to health care. Unfortunately, a number of barriers — including a widespread lack of health insurance and an inadequate supply of language services — currently operate at multiple levels within the health care system to prevent Latinos from gaining access to quality care.NCLR seeks to eliminate the incidence, burden, and impact of health and environmental problems in Latinos, and seeks tangible improvements in Latinos’ access to health coverage, and high-quality, culturally-competent health care. NCLR uses a two-tiered system to address the health concerns of the Latino community.
In plain language, La Raza advocates more free health care for people already getting free health care, without regard for the people being taxed to death to pay for it. Great.
If you’re going to call groups like C of CC racist, you must say the same for other racialist organizations. Besides, which group is being up front about what they believe? I’ll take honesty over politically correct euphemistic tripe (especially the kind that costs me money) any day.
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Links: Malkin on illegal aliens on Long Island.
Washington Times: Pandering to Interlopers?
San Diego Union-Tribune: Border agents are bracing for expected surge of immigrants.
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Oh, geez
Bush’s nominee for Attorney General is a card-carrying member of the Hispanic-supremicist group La Raza.
I remember in middle school there was a street gang called “La Raza”, or LRZ as they spray painted the school with.
Everytime I see the term that’s all I think of–gangsters.
you REALLY don’t get it…
Enlighten me.
Are only whites racists?
To these people, yes. We had a prominent politician here in Dallas (John Wiley Price) who said that explicity — black people can’t be racist because they are black.
And the media gave him a pass on it here.
Yes, LaShawn, whites are the only racists – simply by the term itself and its inverse (reverse-racism). If the term “reverse-racism” exists, which it does, and means racism perpetrated by non-whites, which it does, by default, racism only refers to whites.
Will you write to Senators re: his confirmation then? (I don’t know if you have a representative to call/write to in DC.) I’ll need to research this further before telling my senators what I think. Sen. Allen is usually pretty daggone level-headed, or so it seems to me.
It never ceases to amaze me that people, like you, fail to see the value that these organizations offer. But then, you live in this color blind world where race/ethnicity is not only not considered, but it is NEVER used as a basis to treat someone poorly. We’d all do much better if we just got along and didn’t see “color”.
Give me a break!
The fact that you minimize La Raza’s statement on health care to mean that they are seeking free health care for Latinos, shows how little you understand the importance providing quality, culturally competent health care. This organization is advocating for Latinos to receive quality health care, comparable to what other people receive in this country.
Unless a State decides to use State money to pay for it, illegal “aliens” cannot receive Medicaid (”free health care”) like citizens can. They can only receive Medicaid to treat emergency conditions or, in the case of pregnant women, can only receive coverage for the delivery of her baby (let’s not even TALK about how immoral and fiscally irresponsible it is to deny access to prenatal care to a woman and her unborn child). States that do decide to cover illegal “aliens” do so because they recognize that it will be cheaper for them in the long run to treat chronic conditions and/or provide preventive care, than wait until the condition worsens, and the individual ends up in an emergency room or an extended hospital stay, where the costs are greater.
As far as culturally competent health care, that means working to make sure that the physicians, nurses, office staff, that provide care to Latinos treat them with respect, rather than treating them like some ’spic’ who just crossed the border. (Oh wait, but then in your color blind world, that kind of thing doesn’t happen, right?!) Ensuring that medical facilities have access to professional translator services rather than relying on the nurse or, heaven forbid, the janotor, or the patient’s 13 year old child to translate sensitive and PRIVATE health care information. Believe it or not, these things happen.
I’ll excuse the sarcasm, Nappi, because you’re clearly upset. I usually don’t tolerate it (I’m intolerant that way), but since you’re not a frequent commenter, I’ll overlook it this time.
If the quality of their care is poor, what’s the reason? Is because they have no insurance through their employers? If not, why don’t they get jobs with employers who provide insurance? If that’s not possible, is it because they’re in the U.S. illegally and shouldn’t even be working in the first place? Why should our government subsidize the health care of people who sneak into the country? Where is that written? And let’s not mince words. The people this group is most concerned about are illegal aliens, not legal immigrants.
Illegal aliens should not be receiving Medicaid as citizens do. It should be one of the privileges of citizenship AND an incentive to go through the proper channels of obtaining American citizenship. By the way, did you know that illegal aliens are often not turned down at hospital emergency rooms? It’s the reason a number of hospitals in California have closed down. Uninsured illegal aliens have broken the system. And I don’t know what “culturally competent health care” means. What is that a euphemism for?
You see, Nappi, here is where we disagree. Forget all the translator and culturally competent health care business. People coming to this country should learn English. Why should our government use our tax dollars to pay for translators for people who won’t even bother to learn English? What a waste! You and I will not agree on this because we come to the table with different presuppositions. I believe people who come to this country should embrace American culture and language; you believe otherwise. I believe people should enter this country legally and pay their own way once they’re here; you believe otherwise.
Nappi, And Osama Bin Laden built roads and hospitals in Afghanistan. They thought him an angel for it.
I’m wondering if we’re getting Gonzales’ group confused with MeCHa? MeCHa wants “Atzatlan” (the southwest) returned to Mexico. Thanks for the insight, La Shawn!
ra·cism [ráy sìzzəm]
n (disapproving)
1. animosity toward other races: prejudice or animosity against people who belong to other races
2. belief in racial superiority: the belief that people of different races have different qualities and abilities, and that some races are inherently superior or inferior
Actually, emergency rooms cannot turn away ANYONE. It’s called EMTALA.
I do not think that their main concern is undocumented individuals (I can’t stand the word aliens). Individuals who are here legally, who do not have health insurance because they do not work for an employer that offers (affordable) health insurance (ie., WalMart), also have limited access to quality health care. In addition, people who are here legally have to either be a “qualified alien” AND (unless they are part of an exempt group) wait 5 years to be considered eligible for Medicaid, thanks to PRWORA/welfare reform in 1996.
What is cultural competence? http://www.omhrc.gov/cultural/
For your information, I believe that people who come to this country should embrace American culture. However, I do not believe that they should do so at the EXPENSE of their own, nor do I think that we have to set a time table by which someone should learn English. So no, you can’t throw the need for translators and culturally competent medical care aside, when you are talking about a service industry, which medicine is, that in order to be effective, has to “meet people where they are” (sorry, the social worker is coming out of me). Medical jargon is difficult enough for me to to understand at times as an American and someone who works in the health care field. I do not see anything wrong providing someone with an option to have a translator, if they are minimally able to speak English, and making sure that they are treated with dignity and respect.
It seems to me that the fundamental different between La Shawn (hi!) and Nappi is that Nappi thinks illegal aliens from Mexico and parts south ought to have the same health care that American citizens have, while La Shawn thinks that illegal aliens ought to have access to the same health care that citizens have. Since all illegal aliens are free to become citizens, get jobs and enjoy the benefits of (a) citizenship and (b) employer-provided health insurance, everything’s fine.
Nappi, on the other hand, wants illegal aliens to get health care without having actually to do anything in order to get it. They should just … you know … get it.
I just thought this observation might help clear some things up.
LaShawn… shame on you!
You mean you don’t think it’s fair that immigrants who come to this country legally should be taxed and forced to pay for state-sponsored benefits for people who flout our laws and come here illegally?
Why… just because those legal immigrants had to wait for years for citizenship, take a test, and earn the right to be US citizens… just because they give a part of their earnings to the US government… THAT DOESN’T GIVE THEM THE RIGHT TO HAVE ANY SAY-SO IN HOW THOSE FUNDS ARE SPENT!
You conservatives are so hard-hearted and unreasonable.
Democracy and representative government are just a total sham. The government should have the right to take our money and spend it on anyone they choose to spend it on…regardless of our wishes in the matter.
Please LaShawn… do try to get with the program
Thanks ever so much.
The People’s Republic of Azatlan
Thanks for participating, commenters!
Nappi – I can’t stand the word “undocumented.” About the ER comment, I was trying to make a point that illegal aliens are being served by the system on the government dole already. Granted, preventive health care would be much better than an ER visit, but again, at whose expense? By the way, I notice you didn’t comment on the broken ER system out in California, which is caused mainly by uninsured illegal aliens.
And at whose expense should immigrants embrace our culture since it’s your opinion that it shouldn’t be at their own expense? Everything costs, Nappi, and taxpayers have every right to speak out against government using their money to support illegal aliens AND American citizens who don’t want to work.
We also need to look at the number of translators we’re talking about and what those translators are costing American taxpayers (millions???). It’s not enough for us to trade philosphical points on a blog.
nappi:
All of these things you speak of are commendable in theory.
The practical question always becomes one of resources and responsibility: how will these things be funded, and who pays?
And let’s face it: in a world where scarcity exists, are translators the MOST important priority? Or are there other priorities when you are looking at a population that includes, not just hispanics but Asians of all nationalities and Eastern Europeans… and …
Just exactly how many different translators is a hospital required to keep on hand? Is EVERY nationality entitled to one, or just select groups? Again, who pays? And who goes begging because this lobbying group was the squeaky wheel that got the grease?
In DC, it’s not just Hispanics – there are Africans and Asians and Eastern Europeans galore. It’s a polyglot city, and everyone has a grievance. The answer isn’t for them all to insist on their way. The answer is: pick a common language and culture and join the melting pot. The more, the merrier – we welcome you and we’re the better for your presence.
It’s to THEIR advantage, and THE ONLY WAY to avoid complete and utter chaos. They are not well-served by any other strategy.
Sorry LaShawn, that was redundant
I was madly typing and didn’t see your last comment.
Translators don’t cost taxpayers anything. Just as a hosptial doesn’t bill Aetna for providing translator services, it isn’t going to bill Medicaid. Sorry, there isn’t a part on the claim form for translator, nor is there coding to allow for it to be billed. Sure, it may mean that the physician bills a wee bit more for the additional time spent with the patient, but it doesn’t amount to much. It is an expense that the hospital or medical practice has to subsume if they know that they serve a large immigrant population.
If you are asking about the cost to tax payers for addressing issues of cultural and linguistic competency for BOTH citizens and non-citizens, I’m sure it is a drop in the bucket compared to what we as taxpayers pay for things that I find problematic.
Now I can’t tell whether you’re serious or pulling my leg. Translators don’t cost anything? EVERYTHING costs money, Nappi. You can’t be serious. And you certainly don’t have to be sorry. Whether or not “translator” is on the claim form is not the point. I can’t believe I’m actually having this conversation.
Cassandra,
Most hospitals can access translator services through their local non-profit immigrant network or, there are services such as language line, that provide translation services as well.
From a business and legal perspective, if a hospital or health care provider is in an area that has a large immigrant population, it is probably in their best interest to provide translator services. T
The Civil Rights Act states that, “No person in the United States shall, on ground of race, color or national origin, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any program or activity receiving Federal financial assistance.” Not providing access to quality health care on the basis of language (national origin) is considered a violation of law.
Nappi – I can’t speak for Cassandra, but I don’t think she wrote that illegal aliens should be denied health care because they don’t speak English. And we all know how astoundingly useless the language of the CRA has become. The government racially discriminates against its citzens whenever they use any sort of skin color quota or entitlement system, which you may know as “affirmative action.” You want to talk about civil rights violations? I can talk about those all day.
In response to your comment below, how about discouraging illegal border crossings and encouraging legal citizenship? I don’t care if the cost of illegal immigration is a drop in the bucket, which it is not, but even if it were, it unfairly burdens taxpayers and those who legally became citizens. For someone who can’t see the unfairness of it all while expounding on the virtues of catering to people who have no interest in American culture is…confusing, to say the least.
Jeff Said – Nappi, on the other hand, wants illegal aliens to get health care without having actually to do anything in order to get it. They should just … you know … get it.
Actually, I think that all people in this country, regardless of citizenship status to have access to quality health care. I do recognize that it is expensive and causes a drain on our already scarce resources. I also understand that we can’t afford to give the “cadillac” of benefits to illegal immigrants. However, I think that it would be cheaper in the long run, to provide some basic, preventive services, within a certain limit or cap to illegal immigrants.
For example, for pregnant illegal immigrants, federal money cannot go towards paying for prenatal care; even though once the baby is born, it is a citizen and entitled to full benefits under Medicaid. Now, considering what we know about prenatal care in preventing low birth rate and other problems, doesn’t it make sense from a MORAL and FISCAL standpoint to provide prenatal care?
I once heard that racism equals power plus prejudice (power + prejudice = racism). It was explained that since minorities don’t have power then they can’t be racist. Personally, I always thought that you empowered yourself and thus anybody can be a racist. Of course, that’s just me.
I’m not going to get into a discussion on the CRA or your views on “quotas” and “affirmative action” and this beautiful, race neutral, color-blind society we live in…
But if you are going to gripe about providing translator services and advocate cutting them out completely, then you are in effect denying access to health care because someone doesn’t speak English.
Actually Chris, it’s Racism = Power + Privlege. Yes, we can all empower ourselves. It’s that privlege thing that gets a little dicey.
OK, now I’m losing patience. You’re the one who brought up the CRA to make your point. If you’re going to do that, you will be responsive to my comments. I’m “pulling rank”, as I’m so fond of doing, and warning you that I take offense to non-responsive comnmenters. And please don’t use words like “gripe” in reference to me.
I’m also losing patience with your over-the-top assertions. I have not read any comment nor have I written that we should get rid of translator services completely.
LaShawn, I am not being non-responsive. I merely said that I am not going to get into a discussion at this time about the CRA in terms of quotas and affirmative action. I’ve read your posts on that, and if I wanted to talk about that with you, I would have jumped in the fire.
As far as the whole translator/cultural competence issue, when I see comments like
“People coming to this country should learn English. Why should our government use our tax dollars to pay for translators for people who won’t even bother to learn English?” ~LaShawn
I can’t help but think that folks are against providing translator services. I realize that your gripe is using taxpayer money to pay for it, when in reality, if there is any tax payer expense, it is minimal compared to the other stuff that we as taxpayers pay. And, considering that most hospitals these days receive federal funds, not providing access to quality health care on the basis of national origin (language) is a violation of the CRA. If a hospital or health care entity is found in violation of the CRA and gets hit with a big lawsuit, the effects of that lawsuit are going to hit you in the pocketbook either way with higher health care costs, insurance premiums, etc.
So, yeah I don’t see a problem throwing some good ol’ tax payer dollars at hospitals or health care entities to encourage the development of a culturally competent health care system for citizens and non-citizens whose English is not up-to-snuff. Which, I think is is a part of La Raza’s work towards, “tangible improvements in Latinos’ access to health coverage, and high-quality, culturally-competent health care”
Well, that’s it. I wholeheartedly disagree that our tax dollars should be spent that way, especially in the absence of strict enforcement of immigration law and sealing up the southern border. I think compensating and/or subsidizing foreigners who don’t bother to follow our laws at the expense of working people who do is immoral.
La Shawn, i think its quite alarming that you think every ‘Arab’ is a psychopath fundamentalist.
‘In plain language, La Raza advocates more free health care for people already getting free health care, without regard for the people being taxed to death to pay for it.’
Dont make me laugh. Bush’s tax cuts benefit the top 5% of income earners most heavily, where tax is barely even noticable. Maybe it stops them buying that extra escalade or harley davidson every year.
Oh, and Greeks, Romans, Celts, and Anglo Saxons were all totally different races from totally different geographic areas.
Mariachi – I’m not going to suffer you today. While I don’t need to explain myself to you, if I did, I’d tell you that I don’t think “every ‘Arab’ is a psychopath fundamentalist.” Just for making such a knowlingly untrue and inflammatory assertion, I ought to ban you from commenting on this blog permanently.
Well LaShawn, your tax dollars are being spent on enforcement of law that says that it is a violation to deny someone access to health care based on national origin (language).
It’s funny how our ideals as a nation don’t quite measure up to present-day reality.
But, I already know that you have a myriad of issues with the CRA. So, you can just add this one to your list. ;o)
And before you “pull rank”, my sarcasm is not meant in a disrespectful manner. Merely friendly banter from someone who disagrees with you more often than she agrees with you.
Nappi, The solution is simple. Why don’t you go to the hospitals every time one of them need translation services. See how quick you think it isn’t cheap and “taxing” on you personally and financially. Each time an illegal immigrant needs care, you do in-patient services in your own house for them, using your water, beds, and supplies. Tell us how cheap it is after a month of such “compassion”. You pay for the medical bills of those pregnant migrants, and provide for their new American citizen baby’s wellbeing thereafter. People like you are for guest worker programs; well you be the guest host. Same goes for health care. YOU be the provider. Get back to us.
p.s. They have all the health care they need in their legal countries of origin.
Ps. Nappi,
It is illegal to migrate into the U.S. without authorization.
It is illegal to obtain false documentation
It is illegal to present false documentation for employment
It is illegal to gain employment through fraudulent claims.
I can’t get past all that to even consider being compassionate.
Nappi:
CRA applies to…. citizens. No one else.
Translators = free. NOT. I work for a public utility, and I can tell you for a fact that the translator service we use (and are forced to use by the government, and is the same used by many local hospitals) ain’t free. We pay a pretty penny.
Mariachi: According to the US govt, the census and all of the affirmative action programs over the last few decades… Greeks, Romans, Celts and Anglo Saxxons are all the same group
Now, if you want to take issue with the origins of western civ… you could ask about the normans and the vikings…
Actually, nappi, I read it as I stated before (power + prejudice = racism). It doesn’t surprise me that someone would rewrite it to negate personal achievement and individual responsability. Both concepts being massive taboos in an entitlement society.
This may be a low blow, but here it goes….
For such a pro-life bunch, I would have thought surely that you would understand the importance of providing prenatal care, even to an “illegal alien”, in protecting the life of that unborn child.
I never said it wasn’t taxing. And, I’m not advocating paying for long-term, chronic conditions. I am well aware of people who come to this country illegally for cancer treatment and dialysis services. And, as much as the “bleeding heart liberal” in me says, “ohh, we should pay for them”, I KNOW it is not fiscally responsible to do so. Which is why I advocate a middle-ground providing some, minimal preventive services by placing a dollar cap on how much Medicaid will pay for preventive services for illegals – like those illegal migrant workers, who pick grapes California or strawberries in Ohio; or hey, how about for those illegal aliens who clean your offices every night. They aren’t legal, but they are paying taxes! We have to pay for their care in an emergency room, when the problem has increased in severity and COST, why not pay to treat it BEFORE it gets to that point.
It certainly is a low blow, and much like Mariachi’s comment, inflammatory. This is the kind of tactic people use on Christians, especially when opining about what we’re suppose to do or not do. Usually such comments are made by people who don’t even read the Bible.
Being anti-child killing doesn’t render my argument against subsidized health care for pregnant illegal aliens moot. I can be pro-life and still be against free health care for foreigners without compromising my pro-life position in any way. And for you to even attempt a comparison is dishonest and distracting.
Comments like these are part of the reason I instituted comment moderation. People come on the blog and think they can say anything they want. On some other blog, maybe, but not this one.
This sounds like a success story more along the lines of what you mention, La Shawn: http://apnews.myway.com/article/20041129/D86LM7V00.html It seems President Bush has selected another Latino (Carlos Gutierrez) for his cabinet, this time as secretary of commerce.
Nappi, why don’t THEY take care of their medical needs BEFORE they get here. If they need care after they break the law (ie. Live and work here illegally) go back and ask THEIR OWN PEOPLE AND GOVERNMENT to fit the compassion bill? Nappi you need to spend some serious time awww.numbersusa.com, http://www.americanpatrol.com, and http://www.vdare.com You’d feel differently if you did.
Come to think of it… what enlightened nations allow foriegn nationals to enter the country, and give them free health care, with no questions or obligations? That wouldn’t drop you at the nearest embassy or place you in a small room with a barred door?
Or just toss you out on the curb…
Last but not least, Nappi,
DO YOU LOCK YOUR WINDOWS AND DOORS AND NIGHT? WHY? Because you don’t want people illegally migrating into your house and illegally taking your resources, which is exactly what you expect us to do with smiles on our faces. Hypocrisy + Compassion = End of discussion.
Either way, whether you pay for the care of that child in the womb or for the complications caused by not getting adequate prenatal care, it is going to cost TAXPAYERS. And, it will cost A LOT LESS, if you provide prenatal care from the start!
Look, short of shutting down the borders completely, which is not going to happen because our economy depends too much on cheap, illegal labor, to do the work that we “Americans” do not want to do, providing health care to illegal immigrants is going to be an issue. Who knows, hopefully Bush’s “amnesty program” will include some more money to States to provide health care for these folks. But, unless we figure out some realistic solutions to addressing the issue, we can continue to have dialogues like this, and we will continue to have band-aid solutions that neither minimize costs nor produce positive health outcomes.
nappi:
It never ceases to amaze me how, in order to win an argument, one can make adjacent statments such as “Translators don’t cost taxpayers anything”, “It is an expense that the hospital or medical practice has to subsume” and “most hospitals receive federal funds”. If you think for one second those costs aren’t being passed along to consumers, you’re living in a dream world.
Second, not having read the entire Civil Rights Act, you have me at a disadvantage. However, most laws in a country pertain to the legal citizens thereof. I could well be wrong in this instance – this country is getting crazier every day.
There is such a thing as assumption of the risk.
If one breaks the law and comes to a country illegally, and, furthermore, as you so quaintly stated, chooses “not to adopt the dominant culture and language at the expense on one’s own”, it would seem to me that one has just assumed the normal risks of such a monumentally risky and, I would argue, immoral choice: i.e., that one might just go to the doctor and not be able to make oneself understood.
Let’s look at this logically. You have:
1. Broken the law.
2. Invaded a foreign country without permission. This is no different from breaking into someone’s home. YOU DO NOT HAVE PERMISSION TO BE THERE. IN FACT, YOU ARE THERE AGAINST THE EXPRESS WISHES OF THE RIGHTFUL OWNERS.
3. Once there, decided to be stubbornly difficult and not even try to fit in by learning the language or adopting the culture and mores of your hosts.
4. And now, to top it all off, you DEMAND that the homeowner PAY FOR A TRANSLATOR AND YOUR MEDICAL CARE WHEN YOU BECOME ILL!
Imagine an uninvited houseguest doing this in your home, nappi. Just how long would you put up with this type of behavior?
Yet you seem to think it is OK on a national scale. Just NIMBY. I’d love to see how long you’d tolerate it if an immigrant family moved into your home without your permission and demanded you provide them with medical care and a translator
THAT IS THE EXACT PARALLEL TO THIS SITUATION.
They have simply spread the pain from an individual family to the aggregate group of legal US taxpayers. That does not make the behavior any more acceptable, however.
Do all immigrants behave this way? Of course not. Many are industrious and quiet. And quite frankly, if they don’t cost me money, I don’t really care too much if they stay. Let them take the risk, if it’s worth it to them. But do not compel me, and other law-abiding citizens, to assume the risk of their illegal choices.
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOKAY!! Time to enlighten Nappi. I was an OB nurse for 5 1/2 years. I can assure you that illegal aliens with NO, LET ME REAPEAT NO! social security number have Medicaid, and get free health care at the cost of taxpayers. (Nevermind that for 2 1/2 years after an on the job injury, and after working for 12 years of my life, I had no income, and I was not eligible to receive Medicaid) The three states that I have spent most of my life in are California, Texas and Florida. I can assure you that their is a very large illegal population in those places. When I was in nursing school in downtown Houston, it was common to see illegals delivering their babies free of charge, and Oh Yes, because their children were born on American soil, they were now citizens. That’s a travesty.
When I worked in Florida as a nurse, I saw countless women come in and deliver babies in state-of-the-art facilities (way better than the health care they would receive in Mexico or Guatemala), and get all the trimmings that American, tax-paying, health-insured citizens would get. So, don’t sit here and tell me that they don’t have access to healthcare, when I just pointed out that they have more access to it than I did as an American citizen.
Also, to clarify a point, when the libs. say that people don’t have access to healthcare, and they can’t get healthcare, that’s a load of hooey. It is illegal in America to refuse healthcare to anyone. Anybody can walk in off the street and get healthcare. However, you probably will have to pay for it. That’s what I had to do when I needed healthcare, couldn’t get Medicaid, even though I had no income and was disabled, and had paid taxes for 12 years of my life. I had to put it on my credit card, live off my credit cards, and then when I got a paltry settlement from Work Comp., it went to pay off those CC’s. So, don’t sit here whining to me about how the latinos don’t have access to healthcare, and don’t get adequate healthcare, when they get better treatment, and more funding for it that I do or ever did!!
Actually, most hospitals have translators. They have a list of volunteers who would be willing to come translate. This is how Nappi referred to these volunteers:
“Ensuring professional translator services rather than relying on the nurse or, heaven forbid, the janotor, or the patient’s 13 year old child to translate sensitive and PRIVATE health care information.”
How do you want it, Nappi? Only professionals can come in and translate “PRIVATE healthcare information”? What’s wrong with a volunteer who speaks the language fluently, even if they do work in housekeeping, and have spoken the language as a native, and have also bothered to learn English while living here, and are perfectly capable of translating. What is wrong with a nurse who knows how to speak Spanish or another language? Obviously, you don’t think too terribly much of us nurses with the very condescending comment in your above post. These people are here ILLEGALLY! They aren’t supposed to be here in the first place, since they didn’t follow proper channels(and the Rio Grande is not one of these) to get here. Furthermore, if you are here legally, LEARN THE LANGUAGE. WE SPEAK ENGLISH IN AMERICA!!
And lest you think we are horrible for suggesting this, let me inform you that my sister is going to be a missionary teacher in Brazil. I have also known several(100’s) of missionaries to other countries. As my sister will have to do, and as these other missionaries have done, they have to get visas to go into the country LEGALLY. It has taken my sister over a year, and the Brazilian government losinf documents which cost my sister about $300 to submit to get her visa. She did not attempt to go to Brazil illegally even though the school she will be teaching in desperately needs teachers(yes, she will be performing a service, but with American financial support). On top of all of this, she will have to learn THEIR LANGUAGE. She will have to assimilate into THEIR CULTURE. If she ends up in the hospital there, nobody will seek to translate into English for here. They won’t tear up the hospital looking for even a volunteer translator, much less looking for or paying for a professional one. She knows she has to learn the language and the culture in order to relate to the people there, and to live there. Also, she has gone to Brazil a few times as a short-term missionary(one year) to teach. In the year that she IMMERSED herself in the culture, she learned a good portion of the Portuguese language. As a matter of fact, when she came back to America, she couldn’t remember some of the English that she had spent 30+ years of her life speaking. Hmmmm…seems to me that she didn’t worry too terribly much about remaining an American while in Brazil, and making sure that they catered to her every American cultural whim. As the old saying goes, “When in Rome, do as the Romans do”. That can be made to fit America, Brazil, France, Africa, Bangladesh, Haiti, China, Japan, etc. Those are just a few of the countries that I have known missionaries to, and these people DO NOT expect to be Americans while living their entire lives in what becomes their native countries. They were born Americans, that is their heritage, and by citizenry, they will always be Americans. However, when they go to the foreign country to be a missionary, they become part of that country. They have a love for the people there, they want to become a total part of that country. I don’t think it a problem to expect people who come to this country to do the same.
I am of English, Norwegian, Scottish, French, German, Dutch and Irish ancestry. However, I SPEAK ENGLISH, because I am an AMERICAN. If these illegal aliens and legal immigrants want to come here, because things are so much better here than their own countries, then they need to become AMERICANS. Learn our language and our culture! As I have shown you, I know my ancestry. I know where I come from, and who my ancestors were. I know their heritage, however, I don’t have to be them. I can have a fantastic identity as an AMERICAN living in AMERICA. I don’t sit here and continue to speak the native languages of my ancestors, and refusing to speak ENGLISH because I have that heritage. I live in AMERICA. I am first and foremost an AMERICAN!! That is how you have a cohesive, unbiased, color-blind society. When you move to a country, you leave the practicing of your heritage behind, and start being a member of the country that you moved into, and quit expecting them to cater to your whiny, special-interest entitlements!
La Shawn,
Can they be referred to as “Brown Supremiscists”?
La Shawn Barber is an absolutely brilliant woman, and I am not impressed very easily. Just when I thought nothing more could amaze me…
The fact is, there is a belief running around that America, that is, our Union of our several States, is somehow not a nation in any meaningful sense. This manifests itself in the belief that there is no American culture worth protecting or preserving, that we are only a collective bound by certain post-modern concepts of “rights”. This is dangerous to our continued existence.
While it is true that our nation has welcomed a LOT of varied people, it was expected that they would fit into the culture already set up. This expectation was often expressed by brutal means (ask any Boston Irishman over age 90), collective hazing, if you will. We even required that certain people CHANGED their names to fit in better. (example: the Dutch HOWER-ZIJL became an Americanized ‘Howerzyl’.)
But the underlying belief was simple: America IS a viable nation, a distinct people worth preserving. Our opposition to a mass Mexican incursion is but a latter-day vestige of this.
Kiki B., you are right on target! More people should have your attitude. Great comments!
For those who have not actually read what the president is proposing (which isn’t what I hear most people discussing) here it is right from the source, sans opinion:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/01/20040107-3.html
La Shawn said: “In plain language, La Raza advocates more free health care for people already getting free health care, without regard for the people being taxed to death to pay for it. Great.”
I didn’t read that at all in what you quoted. In fact, if you follow the links you provided, you read that their beef is with LEGAL immigrants being denied access to proper health care because of unfair laws.
“Under the new TANF program, most legal immigrants who entered after August 22, 1996, were banned from receiving federal public benefits for the first five years that they lived in the United States. The restrictions to the Supplemental Security Income (SSI) Program were even greater. These barriers to regular health care and other programs have forced low-income legal immigrants either to avoid using health care services or to use costly emergency rooms as their main source of medical care.”
I think that we can do some work here on improving both access to and fiscal accountability within our healthcare system, remaining compassionate, and still striving to defend our borders.
come by and read my post on Nov 27th
There are no “races”. There is only the human race.
One Blood: The Biblical Answer to Racism
http:// biblegeek.blog-city.com/ read/929985.htm
(squish all that URL back together)
Now it worked… Crazy posting around here…lol
Hey Joshua – I turned on comment moderation.
It certainly is a low blow
I think it was a low blow as well. I also think it was effective.
I’ve spoken with parents in the D.C, N. Virginia area about LaRaza. I’ve spoken with a “Hispanic” person about La Raza as well. He said the literal translation to “The Race” is one that’s inaccurate.
Of the parents in the D.C. ‘burbs I talked about it with, they were of mixed opinions. All parents were white. One spent time in S. America and said that literal translation was inaccurate.
But then I’ve read “attacks” against La Raza that pointed out the “extremists” in the group.
Illegal immigration is a serious problem.
The national level under reporting of warfare along the southern border is a shame. I don’t believe the under reporting is an issue of p.c.
The under reporting of illegal trafficers maybe helping suspected terrorists is one that I think the U.S. government WANTS to keep quiet.
The fact that border agent whistle blowers on the northern border were fired, says, to me, a lot.
LaShawn, great post!! I have a question/comment to Every Christian American. When are we going to Actually put our Faith in the Lord!? As we see here in the post about GWB’s “Top Cop” a “possible” member of the most like Anti-American, LaRaza. Anti-Americans have far too much influence in our country. Christians when are we going to vote our faith – vote for candidates that Actually believe in upholding the Constitution and put Biblical principles first? GWB continutes to do neither. He continues to be Anti-American in his stance on immigration and he doesn’t strongly uphold biblical principles (his position on same-sex “unions”). Christian Americans should vote by faith Not fear. Many of us voted for GWB because he “appeared” to be a stronger Christian than his opponent. Well, considering who his opponent was – that wasn’t hard to do. I believe GWB will continue to disappoint Conservatives and especially us Americans that will be heavily affected by his desire to give amnesty to illegal immigrants.
oh, sorry.
Thank you, Liz.
Kiki,
Thank you for your “enlightenment”. Your comment about illegal immigrants being able to deliver babies “on the dole” is my point, and what I said several times. The ONLY type of government assistance they get is to deliver the baby, not for prenatal care. They qualify for LIMITED Medicaid coverage for EMERGENCY services only – which includes the DELIVERY OF THE BABY! NO PRENATAL CARE!
I’m sorry you weren’t able to qualify for Medicaid. When I worked for Medicaid on the Federal side, I received several letters from people who had worked for years and due to illness or other circumstances were left without health insurance (my mother one of them) and were not able to meet the eligibility criteria for the Medicaid problem. That is a problem with the Medicaid eligibility system – not an immigrant problem – that DEFINITELY needs fixing!
Thank you Michael for pointing out the difference between the eligiblity standards for legal and illigal immigrants under Medicaid.
What is wrong with a “volunteer”, say like the housekeeping staff, is that they are not bound to the same level of confidentiality or have the same level of training to adequately translate complex medical information. A bilingual nurse or other MEDICAL staff member would not be a problem.
And NO, not every immigrant who is here who doesn’t have full grasp of the ENGLISH langauge and may need the assistance of an interpreter is here ILLEGALLY!!
As far as missionaries and volunteers in other countries. I’m sure that another part of the reason why they immerse themselves in the language and the culture is because they are there to be OF SERVICE, and they realize how little use they would be without an understanding and appreciation of the culture that they are a part of. But as much as they immerse themselves in the culture, they are never asked or expected to BECOME Brazilian, African, Laotian, whatever. AND, the likelihood of them being able to find an American speaking physician is rather high, and if they landed in the hospital, they would probably be accompanied by someone who speaks the language.
That has been the experience of the people that I know who have been volunteers or worked in foreign countries and have needed medical care.
Hey nappi,
How many translators should a hospital expect to have? How many languages should they be expected to cover?
Here in Philly, I imagine they would have to deal with russian, spanish, portuguese, vietnamese, chinese (2+ dialects), polish, french, farsi, kiswahili and on occasion, arabic.
What are the expectations for cuturaly competent medical care?
Personally, I think if the hospital makes an attempt to communicate, great. But that doesn’t remove the personal responsibility for people to be understood.
God, this country needs an official language. What other country puts up with this BS?
I could even deal with having 2, and requiring all govt. and public accomadations to provide service in both…
but at least make something official!
Check here for policy regarding services for individuals with limited English proficiency (LEP).
http://www.hhs.gov/ocr/lep/
I’m not making this stuff up or pulling it entirely out of my behind.
The difference between white racism and any other racism is that white people are in power and the majority. If a Latino or black politician uses a racial epithet for whites, I have no fear that my rights will be trampled like segregation or discriminatory laws. If I was Latino and white politicians were harping about kicking out all the Mexicans, I would feel very threatened because “my people” wouldn’t have the political power to stop it. There’s a difference.
So I guess who didn’t hear about the riots in Cincinnati in 2001 where blacks wielded their collective power by looting and burning white businesses and attacking white people or the Rodney King fiasco where blacks attacked whites and Koreans because they were white and Korean or thug gang members gunning for white cops because they’re white cops . Political power isn’t the only kind of power, you know.
I’ll bet you’d feel threatened by that kind of “power” alright.
Wrongs are not experienced on a “group” basis, Sam. If you get beaten up, it makes little difference at the time whether you are black, white, or green with blue racing stripes. You are still in a world of hurt. Your racial/ethnic group didn’t get pounded into the tarmac: YOU DID.
Redress is a separate issue from injury.
And frankly, it has economic as well as racial overtones. Intelligence is also a factor – just as if you’re an idiot, or ugly, or have poor people skills, you’re going to have a harder time getting justice.
These are all accidents of birth that…well gee whiz… it would just be loverly if we could eliminate, but we can’t, not completely.
No social system will ever be able to do that. And the Left’s best answer to THAT nasty little problem? Let’s take away any natural comparative advantage the smarter, faster, harder-working, or better-looking have in life. So now, everyone suffers.
Impressive tactic. Pre-emptive injustice: Commit one injustice to prevent the possibility that another might occur. The level playing field in action.
There are actual discrimination laws in effect in this country. Try being Asian and having good grades: you’re in the minority, but is there affirmative action for you?
No way: you’re discriminated AGAINST. If admissions were awarded on merit, they’d be admitted to prestigious colleges at far higher rates: they’ve earned it.
America’s dirty little secret. You don’t need help – you’re naturally hard-working and smart. So we’ll penalize you for trying harder than everyone else.
And no, I’m not Asian. But I know something wrong when I see it.
Equal opportunity? Forget it.
Excuse me, Nappi, but those illegals DO get prenatal care. They did not just happen to show up at the hospital just to deliver the baby. They had prenatal care all the way through their pregnancy. Now, as I mentioned about Houston, some of them didn’t, but that is because they came here illegally at the last minute just to be able to deliver their babies in America. Aside from committing a crime by entering this country illegally, it’s a blatant abuse of our system, and they should be deported immediately!
“As far as missionaries and volunteers in other countries. I’m sure that another part of the reason why they immerse themselves in the language and the culture is because they are there to be OF SERVICE, and they realize how little use they would be without an understanding and appreciation of the culture that they are a part of. But as much as they immerse themselves in the culture, they are never asked or expected to BECOME Brazilian, African, Laotian, whatever. AND, the likelihood of them being able to find an American speaking physician is rather high, and if they landed in the hospital, they would probably be accompanied by someone who speaks the language.
That has been the experience of the people that I know who have been volunteers or worked in foreign countries and have needed medical care.”
Your point being? What is being bandied about right now about illegal aliens coming into this country to WORK?? Aren’t we being told that they come here to provide a SERVICE to us, and that this country would go belly up without them? If that’s so, why aren’t you holding them to the SAME STANDARDS that you would hold an American heading to another country to provide a service to? In my opinion, an illegal immigrant who is working here is of very little service to me and provides me very little service if they don’t know my language and immerse themselves in my culture. You try to make a point by being very codependent with these people and excusing them from taking responsibility for their lives, and doing what they need to do to live in this country and be like other Americans. However, you just end up speaking against yourself, and showing your blatant disregard for the sovereignty of our country and a blatant anti-American bias. When in America, do as Americans do.
LaShawn,
Or the case that I saw in Houston when I was in nursing school when 3 black men robbed a Vietnamese businessman, and shot him in the back of the head, execution style. All this because he had immigrated here, was working hard and making something of himself. Oh yes, I was in clinicals in the ER when they brought this poor man in. It was a pretty horrific sight.
What’s wrong with the trackback’s time stamp? It’s only 4:46 right now.
First, I want to say hello to LB, first time “blogger”, long time reader.
Have read plenty of points posted on this board. Many people have many good points. Only trouble is that people are basing their viewpoint on different priorities. For groups like “La Raza” their viewpoint is based on the advancing the well being of the selected group in place of working within the establish laws of the country. The group “La Raza” feels that the well being of the people (I am assuming all Hispanic people, not just Mexico and Central Americans, because I don’t see “La Raza” coming to aid for many Cuban immigrants) supersede any United States laws. So, any argument that counter “La Raza” viewpoint will not be accepted. Now, on the other hand people who oppose illegal immigrants feel that a country laws dictate behaviors of groups. They believe that the welfare is important, but the pursuit of it should not override operating within the law. Therefore, any argument against will not be understood or accepted. The real question is how all groups should operate in a given country. I have visited many countries in the world, and their number one complaint is not on our country’s policies, but on how we conduct business in their country. The major of people I spoke visiting varies different countries complain that American tourist come to their country and expect to be treated as if the tourists are still in America. The members of those countries complain how little respect American tourist has for their culture, language, and way of life. Now, if these members of different countries expect American tourist act “if in Rome, be like Romans” for a short period of time in their country then I feel it is safe to say that any immigrants that have plans to move into the United States should learn the “rules of the road” on how life in America operate. English should be learned, rules of the country should be followed, an honest effort to learn the culture of the United States should be attempted. There is nothing wrong with learning one’s own culture, but not at the expense of the culture of the country one choose to live. I feel that illegal immigration is wrong, period. I feel that it is two-faced that if I choose to live in Mexico I have to learn their ways and language, but that demand does not have to be met if a Mexican chooses to live in the United States.
LaShawn,
Great piece about Alberto, I hope the Senators grill him about which country he pledges allegiance to, and if he will enforce all the laws equally.
As far as we are concerned, the most accurate translation of “La Raza” is The Racists. After all, they support all manner of amnesties and other special treatment for Hispanics/Mexicans, even though it reduces Asian immigration. For more details on this see our web site at http://www.fairimmigration.com.
I assume it is racism when certian nationalities/ethnicities want special treatment at the expense of other nationalities/ethnicites. If this is not the correct word then what is?
At the very least it is advocating discrimination based upon national origin. When President Kennedy asked Congress to elimite the National Origins immigration system in 1963, he felt it was because the existing system where most immigrants came from just a few countries was discrimination.
Yet now we have a system where 30% of legal US immigrants are from one country, Mexico! This is due to the amnesties given to (mainly Mexican) illegal aliens, and other excetions which only benefit Mexicans. That is not enough for “The Racists”, they want additional amensties and excpections in order to increase Mexico’s share to 50%!
Apparently The Racists are not content with being the second largest national group in the US (behind Germans), nor that even without immigration in 30 years they will be the largest group due to their higher birthrate.
I have to conclude that The Racists want to reclaim Aztlan, since “the US stole it from Mexico”. Except this is BS, the US didn’t steal it, the US paid Mexico $38 million for it. With inflation, that equals $1.5 trillion today. When will this be paid back? The Racists and Mexico are right now behind on the payback, since the US has already allowed so many millions of Mexicans to become legal residents.
Wow, Nappi’s comments are certainly original. You need to work on massaging those definitions quite a bit to get at them.
I think the bulk of her points has been addressed well by Cassandra, Kiki, and LaShawn. I’ll take issue with the smaller-but-weirder ones.
First, Nappi would be well-advised to get over her dislike of the word “alien.” It is not pejorative. As anyone who has seen an American “green card” knows, it’s stamped rather prominently with the words RESIDENT ALIEN on the front. Not too many people take offense. The illegal part of illegal alien is pejorative. And it should be. I wouldn’t tolerate strangers climbing into my back yard. I don’t see why I should look more kindly on those running into my country.
Also, I’m not sure what all this nonsense is about the prohibition of discrimination based on “national origin” being twisted into someone’s “right” to medical care even if they don’t speak the language of the caregivers. Language and national origin are not the same thing,as you can see from the fact that people posting on this blog are not Englishmen. In no country — this one or any other — does anyone showing up in a hospital have the “right” to care in any language other than the official or prevalent one for the area. If you don’t speak the language, providing translator services is your responsibility, not the hospital’s. Consulates and other support organizations will happily do this for tourists and legal immigrants. It’s certainly not some kind of moral responsibility for everyone else — here or anywhere else.
Many illegal immigrants are hard workers who learn English and want to fit in. For the rest, if they come into an American hospital and feel entitled to service in Spanish, I suggest they get it — in the form of a bus ticket to Tijuana. I’m pretty sure that the care they will receive there will be “culturally competent.”
Tim: “Great piece about Alberto, I hope the Senators grill him about which country he pledges allegiance to, and if he will enforce all the laws equally.”
And what would you expect him to say Tim, no?
He will empathize with people of his origin, not by what he does necessarily but by what he doesn’t do. It is human and we would do the same.
The fact is Bush favors business and business favors low labor rates. This appointment satisfies both diversity and business. Look for lower enforcement of border and citizenship laws with its associated wage and tax impact on the least of our citizens.
In all fairness to Gonzalez, there is alot of pressure on latino businessmen and politicians to join organizations like La Raza, which are actually fairly wholesome in comparisons like organizations like MeChA. And, while the National Coalition of La Raza (NCLR) has their own agenda, there are also state associations of La Raza that are much more interested in meeting the social needs of Latino immigrants in the U.S. without any immigration agenda.
Nappi repeats alot of the myths of the reconquista. First, that illegals have some right to be here, and that we have some obligation to take care of them (we don’t, they are unwelcome, illegal intruders). Second, that the U.S. depends upon this cheap, illegal labor. WE don’t. There was a time when AMERICANS did the jobs now done by illegals. However, the glut of 8-10 million illegals now in this country has artificially deflated wages in the U.S. and now wages for these menial jobs aren’t sufficient to entice many Americans to do the work. Were the illegals exported back to their home lands, supply and demand would adjust the pay scale accordingly. Yeah, we might pay a little more for some items, but we’d save billions on housing, feeding, medically caring for, educating, and incarcerating illegals as we presently do.
Lastly, use of the term “undocumented” in place of the literal truth, illegal, is liberal spin. Undocumented sounds like these people misplaced their identity documents, not that they are guilty of felony offenses by virtue of their presence here (they are).
Great postings, and La Shawn, you da catz meow, girl.
…First, that illegals have some right to be here, and that we have some obligation to take care of them…
If I had to choose only one illegal alien issue to focus on, it would be that one. Thanks for reading!
“Nappi repeats alot of the myths of the reconquista. First, that illegals have some right to be here, and that we have some obligation to take care of them (we don’t, they are unwelcome, illegal intruders)”
I agree illegals have no right to be here. However, on the second part, the Supreme Court has decided it the US government makes no effort to remove illegals, then we are obligated to educate their minor children. I am sure that next using the same reasoning they will decide if illegals are allowed to live in the US for more than 10 years continuously, they are entitled to a green card (sort of like common law marriage).
So it is definitely high time we either demand the government enforce these laws, or start enforcing them ourselves, which the Constituion allows.
While I am terribly late to this conversation, let me try to bring the concept even closer to home than a couple of others have.
Everyone knows that (by and large) children don’t like doing chores. However, the majority do them in order to justify getting an allowance. This is a natural part of teaching your children about earning your way.
Now, however, what if, say, a homeless person walked in the back door one morning and said “I’ll do your kids’ chores for one-fourth of what you’re paying them.” Let’s say further that for some reason you agreed to this – it’s going to save you money, right?
Well, when the stranger gets done with the chores, then he goes into the guest room and moves in. Wait, did you say he could do that? But he points out that “You need me to do the chores that your kids don’t want to do,” so you let him stay.
After he’s been there for a while, eating your food, staying in your house (while your kids complain that they don’t get an allowance anymore, and you counter by asking if they would do their chores for what this guy is being paid, which they won’t), then he gets sick, and tells you that he needs to go to the doctor. If you reply that you never signed on to take care of his health, he replies that you’ve been letting him live in your home, and so you’re responsible for his health, too, so you take him to the doctor, pay for that, plus his medicine, plus take care of him, while he’s not doing any chores, or maybe you pay your children to take care of him.
Later, after he’s better, you find out that he has a wife, who’s been waiting for him to get a good spot, and he brings her and HIS children into your home, and expects you to pay for THEIR upkeep as well.
Finally, your children can’t keep quiet any more, they tell you that this is ridiculous, that they live here and you shouldn’t be making a special place for these people, whose only contribution was to do THEIR chores for less money, and now your spending more money than you would ever have before, because of all the extra things that you have to pay for that you didn’t expect. In response to this, you tell your children that they are mean hateful, inconsiderate creatures that don’t deserve your respect anymore. Any arguments they make you respond with what a shocking lack of compassion they have.
This is the Liberal point of view.
Wayne,
You forgot the advocacy groups picketing on the lawn, both for the hobo and the children. And both groups funneling money from their membership dues to your mother-in-law, who is constantly trying to tell you how to run your household.
Good analogy Wayne. Tell us what happens when you call the authorities to have the ‘guests’ removed.
This would be comical if it weren’t funny.
I happen to be an ‘alien’, an American living in Japan. In fact I am required to carry an official alien registration card everywhere with me, all the time. That is just the way it is, most everywhere in the world if you want to live in a foreign country. Latinos who want to live in the US but don’t want to abide by the basic laws, laws that have equivalents in their home countries, should in my opinion be thrown out on their butts. Illegal immigrants have my sympathy, but the whining by La Raza and other such groups grates on my ears. They want things for free that they could never get in their ancesteral countries. Does Mexico offer free health care to gringos who violate Mexican immigration law and try to live in the country without papers? Have you ever looked into what Mexico and other Latin nations require of Americans who want to immigrate into their countries? Talk about unfair!
SCSIwuzzy – but it was time to go home from work! Heh.
Jim R – But of course the law enforcement wouldn’t cross the picket line, now, would they?
LaShawn Barber, you rule, thanks for writing this blog!!!
From Mr. Binh above:
I agree illegals have no right to be here. However, on the second part, the Supreme Court has decided it the US government makes no effort to remove illegals, then we are obligated to educate their minor children. I am sure that next using the same reasoning they will decide if illegals are allowed to live in the US for more than 10 years continuously, they are entitled to a green card (sort of like common law marriage).
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filled with liberal assumptions….My only question, Mr. Binh, is WHY?
Why are we obligated to feed, house, educate, and otherwise care for the dependents of criminals who shouldn’t even be here? I would argue that we aren’t.
Unless you can present some compelling reason that we are (and I agree these children are victims OF THEIR PARENTS’ ACTIONS, so we should send the entire family home to their country of origin), I’m going to ignore your liberal assumptions.
WE aren’t obligated to do ANYTHING other than removal.
Catz
So it is definitely high time we either demand the government enforce these laws, or start enforcing them ourselves, which the Constituion allows.
Should clarify that the last line is a comment from Mr. Binh with which I am in some agreement of the former, if not the latter (vigilante) sentiment.
Catz,
All I know is MALDEF sued to make local school districts educate the children of illegals, and the Supreme Court agreed with their argument. Why I don’t know.
Once Alberto is confirmed, I would not be surprised if MALDEF sues again for illegals here more than 10 years, and that Alberto will support this lawsuit. What you or the majority of Americans want won’t make any difference.
Getting the government to enforce the laws will not be easy. Congress and the President know 80% of Americans want the laws enforced, they know what the polls say and what citiaens with phone calls and letters want. But the business intrests that fund their campaigns don’t want them enforced, so they take priority. If millions of Americans protested in Washington DC, and in other big cities, this might change. In the past, black Americans did this to gain equal rights. So why aren’t Americans doing this now?
As for enforcing the immigration laws ourselves, this is based upon the principle that in the US all power belongs to the people, and that the people give up some of that power to their elected officials and government to enact the will of the people for the common good.
If the government does not use the power given to them to enforce the will of the people, then the people can reclaim this power and enforce the laws themselves, with a well organized militia as provided by the Second Amendment. This is not a vigilante action, which is done without any legal authority. If the proper steps are taken, including notifying the government, having rules of engagement, and only using Citizen non-felons, a well organized militia can legally protect the US from invasion under the Constitution.
Since they are so racist, let them return to Mexico so they can remember why their home country bites so much. Because it’s filled with Mexicans! People who have so little honor and self respect they have been reduced to maintaining their economy and dealing with their unwanted by encouraging them to sneak into another country. Their whole country is rotten! La Raza and MALDEF, as well as the Mexican Mafia and La Familia are the symptoms!
This link to an article details what we and our new Governor are up against regarding the illegal immigration invasion of California:
ContraCostatTmes.com/mld/cctimes/news/special_packages/
governor_schwarzenegger/10345045.htm?1c
The combination of a very liberal State Legislature and a high population of hispanics almost put legal drivers licenses into the hands of illegal aliens.
They’re still trying over the objections of our new Republican Governor Schwarzenegger.
THESE PEOPLE IN CONGRESS NEED OUR HELP TODAY!
Negotiations on the 9/11 Bill resume Mon 12/5/04. The battle is over the removal of the House 9/11 bill HR10 border security provisions, called Title III, from the final 9/11 House/Senate bill.
House Republicans led by Sensenbrenner, Hunter, Hyde and Dreier banded together to stop the bill from going to a floor vote until these House Immigration/Border Security provisions are left in the final 9/11 bill. House Speaker Dennis Hastert (R-IL) supported them by refusing to bring the Bill to the floor for a vote until these House provisions were left in.
Sensenbrenner and company are facing immense pressure from the White House(would you believe!) and the Democrats who are calling them obstructionist!
Please call the people below to thank them for standing firm, and your House(house.gov)and Senators(senate.gov) to tell them you want Title III Border Security provisions left in the 9/11 combined House/Senate Bill.
Rep. James Sensenbrenner WI , Wash 202-225-5101 / State 262-784-1111
Rep. Duncan Hunter CA 202-225-5672 / 619-579-3001
Rep. Henry Hyde IL 202-225-4561 / 630-832-5950
Rep. David Dreier CA 202-225-2305 / 626-852-2626
Rep. Speaker Dennis Hastert IL 202- 225-2976 630-406-1114
Sen. Majority Leader Bill Frist TN 202-224-3344 615-352-9411
Also call our delinquent new Prez at the White House 202-456-1414 and tell him to stop pushing for the Democratic version of the 9/11 Bill, the one without the Houses Title III Border Security Provisions.
Here’s what the Senate and Prez want removed. ALL OF IT!: ilw.com/lawyers/articles/2004,1110-hethmon.shtm
Here’s 911 victims families pleading for TitleIII on Cspan:
rtsp://cspanrm.fplive.net/cspan/project/ter/ter113004_families.rm
Here’s our friends at AmericanHumanists trying to stop them:
americanhumanist.org/press/actionalerts/aa911RIA.html
PLEASE TAKE THE TIME TO READ AND SUPPORT BORDER SECURITY.
Thanks for posting this, Jim. Republicans in Congress need to fight Bush on this issue. That bill must not pass without border security language.
Thanks La Shawn for your endorsement. I hope your fans follow their leader.
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