HOUSE BILL HR 10 TITLE III BORDER SECURITY NEEDS YOUR HELP:
Negotiations on 9/11 Bill resume Mon 12/6/04. The battle is over the removal of critical border security, called Title III provisions, from the final 9/11 Commission Recommendations combined House/Senate bill.

House Republicans led by Sensenbrenner, Hunter, Hyde and Dreier banded together to stop the bill from going to a floor vote until these House Immigration/Border Security provisions are left in the final 9/11 bill. House Speaker Dennis Hastert (R-IL) supported them by refusing to bring the Bill to the floor for a vote until these House provisions were left in.

Sensenbrenner and company are facing immense pressure from the White House(would you believe!) and the Democrats who are calling them obstructionist!

Please call the people below to thank them for standing firm, and your House(house.gov)and Senators(senate.gov) to tell them you want Title III Border Security provisions left in the 9/11 combined House/Senate Bill.

Rep. James Sensenbrenner WI , Wash 202-225-5101 / State 262-784-1111
Rep. Duncan Hunter CA 202-225-5672 / 619-579-3001
Rep. Henry Hyde IL 202-225-4561 / 630-832-5950
Rep. David Dreier CA 202-225-2305 / 626-852-2626
Rep. Speaker Dennis Hastert IL 202- 225-2976 630-406-1114
Sen. Majority Leader Bill Frist TN 202-224-3344 615-352-9411

Also call our delinquent new Prez at the White House 202-456-1414 and tell him to stop pushing for the Democratic version of the 9/11 Bill, the one without the Houses Title III Border Security Provisions.

Here’s what the Senate and Prez want removed. ALL OF IT!: ilw.com/lawyers/articles/2004,1110-hethmon.shtm

Here’s 911 victims families pleading for TitleIII on Cspan:
rtsp://cspanrm.fplive.net/cspan/project/ter/ter113004_families.rm

Here’s our friends at AmericanHumanists trying to stop them:
americanhumanist.org/press/actionalerts/aa911RIA.html

Unless I’m mistaken, (La Shawn, please feel free to correct me) you can paste the link as plain text into your comment(s), just don’t tag it as a hyperlink. For example http://blah.com/blah.htm.

It may take awhile for La Shawn to get around to it if moderation is turned on, but at least we readers can just copy and paste the reference when it does comes thru. I believe that the reason La Shawn doesn’t allow linking is because she doesn’t want referrer tags to show up in the destination logs as coming from her blog.

This is a deep and complex problem. Bear in mind that even with 0% unemployment, we would still need “illegal immigrants” to pick up the slack. Consider this (**Source CIA Factbook 2004):
–**Labor force including unemployed = 146 million
–**Unemployement @ 6% = 8.76 mil
–**Population growth = 0.92%
–Estimate # of illegals = 10 mil
–Economic growth =4% (meaning that new jobs are continually being created according to the latest BLS report)
–Those with fake SS# contribute one way into the federal treasury
–Those without, contribute nothing tax-wise, other than State Sales Taxes.
–Both types cost us in welfare services.

However, even if we do nothing but implement a national sales tax while ditching the income tax, we will recover even more in taxes from the illegals.

What most of us forget is that the abject poverty in other nations is caused by US AND EU trade policies that distort global economies, therefore, the illegal immigrant issue is a creature of our making by unintended consequences.

The biggest culprit is our subsidies that support farmers who have NO BUSINESS producing non-competitive crops. For example, sugar growing countries can’t export to us until our domestic producers have sold their crops at thrice the global market rate. That means you and I are paying 3 times what we need to be paying for sugar, just so domestic sugar corparations can continue to tie up valuable natural resources.

In this sense, we need to truly adopt Adam Smith’s proposition that market forces should not be meddled with by the Gov’t. Of course that means there will be an economic hit on de-subsidized farmers, but we have the talent and resources to capitalize on the loses. If Joe 3rd World can make a living by producing & exporting sugar, bananas, chocalate or what have you, he won’t be compelled to produce pot, cocaine etc. (As an aside, our war on drugs is costing us more than it’s producing and needs to be scrapped and new rational drug policies developed.)

So what to do?

I’ve mentioned it before under the Michael Savage post, but I’ll post it again, with a few edits in square brackets & italics:
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La Shawn, in a perfect world, illegal immigrants wouldn’t ever be an issue. However, this is indeed a broken world and mass deportation only adds to the misery, not only for them, but for us as well –- think of the economic hit we would take.

I see a possible and compassionate resolution, and Bush has the political capital to expend on, dare I say, a nuanced and credible position on the following;

1) State unequivocably that future illegal border crossing will not be tolerated beginning on a certain date.

[Change "certain date" to henceforth]

2) Lay out the terms for amnesty, set up a review board for every city & town – say about a 30 mile radius – and give all illegals 90 days to register for an amnesty review hearing and receive a number.

[Terms should be something like:
a) No Gangbangers,
b) All adults, over 19 must have a verifiable employment track record of a year or more, dependent spouses are not subject to this stipulation]

3) In that 90 day grace period, those that know they won’t qualify may as well pack up their bags, take care of loose ends and leave. On their way out, they will have to submit to a biometric exit registration, so we know who they are should they think about returning/sneaking before the “undocumented statute of limitations” runs out. (depending on circumstances, several years to never)

[The biometrics technology already exists and underutilized]

4) Those who think they have a shot at amnesty will continue as before while waiting for their hearing. the same conditions will also discourage those trying to sneak across, since:
a) they won’t be able to meet the qualifications, &
b) if caught, they will be registered via biometrics and barred for life – it’d make sense for them to wait and go thru proper channels.

[The Amnesty Hearing would be akin to the draft boards. In the meantime, Cops will be able to ask for this amnesty registration #, and can initiate registration & deportation if the registration # is not produced. Any other Federally/State funded services will also require proof. Naturally, this will be an inconvenience for the rest of us as we may be asked to carry a certified copy of our birth certificate or other supporting documentations to prove we're bona-fide citizens or legal aliens. I'm just reluctant to go with a National ID and would just as soon avoid that system]

5) Any found here after 90 days without a review number will be summarily barred for life.

[Again any and all public agencies will demand proof]

6) The results of the review could run the gamut from a 3-month per year guest worker visa (seasonal workers) to a green card. (Before ya’ll get blown out of shape, all of the conditions need to be thot out and codified before we start the process.

7) Once the wrinkles have been ironed out, we can then begin processing [future] foreign applicants from their home country for temporary work visas.

Also we need to lean on crooked foreign leaders that breed miserable conditions for their citizens

Once we have an orderly process, the burden on employers to vet potential empolyers will be dramatically lightened and workers will pay into the tax base – all the more reason for a flat tax/sales tax system. And we will have realistically (can never 100% eliminate w/o becoming a police state) and dramatically reduced the illegal problem.

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The combination of a very liberal State Legislature and a high population of hispanics almost put drivers licenses into the hands of illegal aliens.

They’re still trying over the objections of our new Republican Governor Schwarzenegger.

Keep up the great work. Your immigration comments especially touched me. I am the son of immigrant parents, so I’ve never been against immigration. But I just can’t understand why we can’t control the influx of illegal immigrants. Some might argue that we won’t find anyone to mow our lawns or deliver our pizza. That’s hogwash. Both my parents struggled, doing menial work for years in order to support four kids and send them to Catholic school. As long as we allow LEGAL immigration, we’ll always find hard-working folks who don’t mind starting out at the lowest rung of the economic ladder, knowing they’ll eventually move up.

Ed Poinsett Please see my first post on this thread. Nobody, (that means nobody for those who are named Ed) is talking about having a huge resource draining roundup. Again. Please see my first post so that you can HEAR what our true perspective is.

Once you start to enforce the law, see what follows.

I know, but they don’t measure your fitness for citizenship, they measure your scholastic aptitude.

‘As for a HS diploma, you are already suppossed to know this stuff in order to get one. So again, what is your beef?’

Because the test to gain citizenship contains things other than just knowledge, rather it includes a fitness for citizenship. Download the INS forms and check it out.

Enforcement where the problem lies, hiring of illegal aliens, is the only real solution. Employers must be held accountable for hiring people without a valid Social Security Number or a valid work permit ID and it must be enforced, with public examples made starting with the worst offenders.

In addition, the employer, not the alien, must be held responsible for any money passed to an illegal alien found working on their premises. The employer must be the accountable one, just like the merchant is held accountable for selling alcohol to a minor. Enforcement must be with the same persistence alcohol sales to minors is enforced today. At the same time, we need to make it easier for employers to get foreign workers through valid work permits.

Now, back to the political reality of it all. Enforcement at the source is not going to happen because no pro business Republican Administration is going to enforce the law on employers and no pro-welfare Democratic Administration is going to enforce it either, which brings us back to the mess we’re in now.

I say the ‘do nothing’ solution is better than offering increasing incentive for more illegal border crossings, amnesty for illegal behavior.

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