Comments on: Question Of The Day: Should Christians Have Anything To Do With Ann Coulter? http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/12/11/questions/ Mon, 16 Mar 2009 18:49:09 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Vanyogan http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/12/11/questions/comment-page-2/#comment-16615 Vanyogan Thu, 16 Dec 2004 18:20:47 +0000 http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/12/11/questions/#comment-16615 I get a bit scruffed by Ann's tone now and then but I finally came to the conclusion that that tone is what makes her so effective. She has declared war on leftists. The best way to defeat leftists is to get in their face, keep them stirred up. When leftists take the gloves off they just can't hide their true agendas. When those agendas are exposed, conservatives win big time with the electorate on most of the issues. Therefore I think Ann Coulter provides wit, truth(albeit exagerated now and again), but most important she gets inside her opponents heads. That's good for conservative reform. When leftists get riled up, conservatives win. I get a bit scruffed by Ann’s tone now and then but I finally came to the conclusion that that tone is what makes her so effective. She has declared war on leftists. The best way to defeat leftists is to get in their face, keep them stirred up.

When leftists take the gloves off they just can’t hide their true agendas. When those agendas are exposed, conservatives win big time with the electorate on most of the issues.

Therefore I think Ann Coulter provides wit, truth(albeit exagerated now and again), but most important she gets inside her opponents heads. That’s good for conservative reform. When leftists get riled up, conservatives win.

]]> By: habitatgirl http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/12/11/questions/comment-page-2/#comment-16020 habitatgirl Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:41:12 +0000 http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/12/11/questions/#comment-16020 Hi Lashawn, I'm a Christian and a liberal. But I always enjoy reading your blog. I think it is very well-done and balanced. I find it hard to listen to Ann Coulter because I often can't see the love in what she is saying. That to me is the hallmark of a Christian. Even when they are telling you the hard truth, you can feel the love that motivates their words. Thanks for listening. Hi Lashawn, I’m a Christian and a liberal. But I always enjoy reading your blog. I think it is very well-done and balanced.

I find it hard to listen to Ann Coulter because I often can’t see the love in what she is saying. That to me is the hallmark of a Christian. Even when they are telling you the hard truth, you can feel the love that motivates their words.

Thanks for listening.

]]> By: Corienne Johnston http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/12/11/questions/comment-page-2/#comment-16009 Corienne Johnston Mon, 13 Dec 2004 15:50:35 +0000 http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/12/11/questions/#comment-16009 Hangs out with homosexuals? How about is a practicing homosexual is more like it. I don't care though, she can do as she pleases, I still like her. She gives the liberals a run for their money and is most entertaining in the process. Is isn't my place or anyone's to judge her, although many people I know have a problem with her. Hangs out with homosexuals? How about is a practicing homosexual is more like it. I don’t care though, she can do as she pleases, I still like her. She gives the liberals a run for their money and is most entertaining in the process. Is isn’t my place or anyone’s to judge her, although many people I know have a problem with her.

]]> By: adrian http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/12/11/questions/comment-page-2/#comment-16007 adrian Mon, 13 Dec 2004 15:47:09 +0000 http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/12/11/questions/#comment-16007 The real issue here, then, is not whether or not Christians should shun Ann Coulter (silly idea), or whether or not Ann Coulter is unChristian because she skewers liberals in an irreverent, tongue-in-cheek style (that's not enough to make one unChristian, surely). The real question is how we are to judge her from the point of view of orthodox (non-liberal) Christian doctrine. On the plus side, Ann Coulter is probably for and against a lot of the right things. Is that enough? I don't know, because, as I've said, I don't really know her stuff. All I know is that judging her in terms of orthodox doctrine is one thing, and judging her in terms of secular liberal piety about being non-judgmental is another. I'm willing to listen to serious arguments that come from the first, but am totally FED UP with "arguments" that come from the second. Cordiall, Adrian The real issue here, then, is not whether or not Christians should shun Ann Coulter (silly idea), or whether or not Ann Coulter is unChristian because she skewers liberals in an irreverent, tongue-in-cheek style (that’s not enough to make one unChristian, surely). The real question is how we are to judge her from the point of view of orthodox (non-liberal) Christian doctrine. On the plus side, Ann Coulter is probably for and against a lot of the right things. Is that enough? I don’t know, because, as I’ve said, I don’t really know her stuff. All I know is that judging her in terms of orthodox doctrine is one thing, and judging her in terms of secular liberal piety about being non-judgmental is another. I’m willing to listen to serious arguments that come from the first, but am totally FED UP with “arguments” that come from the second.

Cordiall,

Adrian

]]> By: SCSIwuzzy http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/12/11/questions/comment-page-2/#comment-16001 SCSIwuzzy Mon, 13 Dec 2004 15:15:07 +0000 http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/12/11/questions/#comment-16001 Too right Jeff, I've heard angry, strident, fake hair and hangs out with reputed homosexuals. Not much in the way of substance. Too right Jeff,
I’ve heard angry, strident, fake hair and hangs out with reputed homosexuals. Not much in the way of substance.

]]> By: Jeff Blogworthy http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/12/11/questions/comment-page-2/#comment-15994 Jeff Blogworthy Mon, 13 Dec 2004 12:56:50 +0000 http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/12/11/questions/#comment-15994 I would be more bothered by Ann Coulter if she really seemed angry. It seems to me that she thinks of debate as more of a game. I am sure that she is angry sometimes, but she does not project anger. She always says things with a smile, she does not get red-faced and clench her fists. When someone gets really angry with her - she laughs. I think this infuriates the left more than anything. She is calm and resolute. In the posts critical of her, it is notable that no one that came up with any specifics. (Unless I missed it - this is a long thread.) What exactly has Ann said that is untrue or, more to the point, un-Christian? Surely someone can come up with some specific statements that damn her credibility. Is it that "We should kill them and convert them all to Christianity" quote? Hmm. That one doesn't do it for me. We are essentially doing that now and I am glad of it. I would be more bothered by Ann Coulter if she really seemed angry. It seems to me that she thinks of debate as more of a game. I am sure that she is angry sometimes, but she does not project anger. She always says things with a smile, she does not get red-faced and clench her fists. When someone gets really angry with her – she laughs. I think this infuriates the left more than anything. She is calm and resolute.

In the posts critical of her, it is notable that no one that came up with any specifics. (Unless I missed it – this is a long thread.) What exactly has Ann said that is untrue or, more to the point, un-Christian? Surely someone can come up with some specific statements that damn her credibility.

Is it that “We should kill them and convert them all to Christianity” quote? Hmm. That one doesn’t do it for me. We are essentially doing that now and I am glad of it.

]]> By: Janelle http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/12/11/questions/comment-page-2/#comment-15968 Janelle Mon, 13 Dec 2004 11:10:00 +0000 http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/12/11/questions/#comment-15968 She can grate on ones nerves. She is smart and witty and at times she is honest and has things to say that get my attention. I do not see why a christian should not listen to her. I would rather hear her and make my judgements to what she says. Thereore, I see no reason as a christian myself to close my ears and eyes to her. She can really make some remarks that get to me but I realize too, at times maybe I do too. She can grate on ones nerves. She is smart and witty and at times she is honest and has things to say that get my attention. I do not see why a christian should not listen to her. I would rather hear her and make my judgements to what she says.

Thereore, I see no reason as a christian myself to close my ears and eyes to her. She can really make some remarks that get to me but I realize too, at times maybe I do too.

]]> By: PurpleMD http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/12/11/questions/comment-page-2/#comment-15732 PurpleMD Mon, 13 Dec 2004 08:15:08 +0000 http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/12/11/questions/#comment-15732 FYI..."Judge not lest ye be judged" responded to the hypocrisy of the Pharisees...not judging in general. The Bible is clear that Christians are to make right judgements. John 7 21Jesus said to them, “I did one miracle, and you are all astonished. 22Yet, because Moses gave you circumcision (though actually it did not come from Moses, but from the patriarchs), you circumcise a child on the Sabbath. 23Now if a child can be circumcised on the Sabbath so that the law of Moses may not be broken, why are you angry with me for healing the whole man on the Sabbath? 24Stop judging by mere appearances, and make a right judgment.” FYI…”Judge not lest ye be judged” responded to the hypocrisy of the Pharisees…not judging in general. The Bible is clear that Christians are to make right judgements.

John 7
21Jesus said to them, “I did one miracle, and you are all astonished. 22Yet, because Moses gave you circumcision (though actually it did not come from Moses, but from the patriarchs), you circumcise a child on the Sabbath. 23Now if a child can be circumcised on the Sabbath so that the law of Moses may not be broken, why are you angry with me for healing the whole man on the Sabbath? 24Stop judging by mere appearances, and make a right judgment.”

]]> By: Janette http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/12/11/questions/comment-page-2/#comment-15730 Janette Mon, 13 Dec 2004 05:39:37 +0000 http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/12/11/questions/#comment-15730 If anger, sarcasm and critical thinking makes one un-Christian I am in BIG trouble. I like Ann for the most part. I love her columns and books but sometimes have a hard time with her on TV. I attribute that to my low tolerance for her “live” to the confrontational news shows on FOX that encourage bickering. I don’t think “throwing stones” at one of our own is very helpful at all. There’s plenty of work to be done already without starting to nitpick each others weaknesses. If anger, sarcasm and critical thinking makes one un-Christian I am in BIG trouble. I like Ann for the most part. I love her columns and books but sometimes have a hard time with her on TV.

I attribute that to my low tolerance for her “live” to the confrontational news shows on FOX that encourage bickering.

I don’t think “throwing stones” at one of our own is very helpful at all. There’s plenty of work to be done already without starting to nitpick each others weaknesses.

]]> By: DarkStar http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/12/11/questions/comment-page-2/#comment-15727 DarkStar Mon, 13 Dec 2004 03:32:22 +0000 http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/12/11/questions/#comment-15727 <em>So, yes, DarkStar, we can call people who disagree with us non-Christians.</em> When I questioned the Christianity of someone, the wrath of commenters here rained down on me. Just trying to be consistent. So, yes, DarkStar, we can call people who disagree with us non-Christians.

When I questioned the Christianity of someone, the wrath of commenters here rained down on me.

Just trying to be consistent.

]]> By: Michael Lambert http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/12/11/questions/comment-page-2/#comment-15726 Michael Lambert Mon, 13 Dec 2004 03:06:11 +0000 http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/12/11/questions/#comment-15726 LaShawn & All who have posted here, I am not meaning to cast dispersions about "Christian women", I just think people in glass houses (Miss Coulter) have no right throwing stones. And I guess the correct name for Ann's type is a heretic, she is everything Adrian has mentioned. She is always projecting a Conservative image and I feel she isn't really a Conservative woman. I think she is no different than Maureen Dowd, who is a feminist. As for the Clintons, I don't want to get banned for saying what I think of them, believe me it isn't positive. Ann Coulter is just not appropriate for Christians to emulate, follow, support or finance. She isn't what she appears to be, sorry if people are unhappy with my humble and truthful opinion, but I am putting it out there. And Reverend Falwell and Dr. Dobson are not fond of her either. And thanks Miss Barber for good questions and a good discussion, I found you through a friend's recommendation. LaShawn & All who have posted here,

I am not meaning to cast dispersions about “Christian women”, I just think people in glass houses (Miss Coulter) have no right throwing stones. And I guess the correct name for Ann’s type is a heretic, she is everything Adrian has mentioned.

She is always projecting a Conservative image and I feel she isn’t really a Conservative woman. I think she is no different than Maureen Dowd, who is a feminist.

As for the Clintons, I don’t want to get banned for saying what I think of them, believe me it isn’t positive. Ann Coulter is just not appropriate for Christians to emulate, follow, support or finance. She isn’t what she appears to be, sorry if people are unhappy with my humble and truthful opinion, but I am putting it out there. And Reverend Falwell and Dr. Dobson are not fond of her either.

And thanks Miss Barber for good questions and a good discussion, I found you through a friend’s recommendation.

]]> By: Andy http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/12/11/questions/comment-page-2/#comment-15724 Andy Mon, 13 Dec 2004 01:17:18 +0000 http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/12/11/questions/#comment-15724 Well said Adrian, Mark, SCSI et al. Somebody's done poured gasoline into the den of vipers and looky how they come rushing out ;) Well said Adrian, Mark, SCSI et al. Somebody’s done poured gasoline into the den of vipers and looky how they come rushing out ;)

]]> By: adrian http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/12/11/questions/comment-page-2/#comment-15722 adrian Mon, 13 Dec 2004 00:29:30 +0000 http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/12/11/questions/#comment-15722 I might add, just to be Coulterishly provocative, that liberal (NOT politically, but doctrinally) Christians are more properly called, not non-Christians, but . . . heretics. Once again, that term doesn't imply any judgment about the heretic's niceness, but merely describes where he stands with respect to historic Christian orthodoxy. Yes, yes, I know that someone will say "but who says what's Christian orthodoxy?" Well, the answer to that is pretty simple: the Bible as interpreted faithfully within the Church that Jesus left, and which Paul describes as the "pillar and foundation of the truth." Of course, one can deny this. I'm just describing how Christians have understood themselves since about 11:00 am on the Day of Pentecost in 33 a.d. Cordially, Adrian I might add, just to be Coulterishly provocative, that liberal (NOT politically, but doctrinally) Christians are more properly called, not non-Christians, but . . . heretics. Once again, that term doesn’t imply any judgment about the heretic’s niceness, but merely describes where he stands with respect to historic Christian orthodoxy.

Yes, yes, I know that someone will say “but who says what’s Christian orthodoxy?” Well, the answer to that is pretty simple: the Bible as interpreted faithfully within the Church that Jesus left, and which Paul describes as the “pillar and foundation of the truth.”

Of course, one can deny this. I’m just describing how Christians have understood themselves since about 11:00 am on the Day of Pentecost in 33 a.d.

Cordially,

Adrian

]]> By: Mark http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/12/11/questions/comment-page-2/#comment-15719 Mark Sun, 12 Dec 2004 23:19:52 +0000 http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/12/11/questions/#comment-15719 Well here goes I got to say this to Michael, If outward appearances are the way you judge some one, then Hillary and Bill should take center stage, they were always photographed going to church and coming from and BJ clinton always had a Bible in his hand, and we all know the rest of that story. To disagree with her is one thing but ad hominem attacks are uncalled for. If going to church every week is the mark of a good christian then there are more than one of us in trouble here. Mark keep 5 yards Well here goes I got to say this to Michael, If outward appearances are the way you judge some one, then Hillary and Bill should take center stage, they were always photographed going to church and coming from and BJ clinton always had a Bible in his hand, and we all know the rest of that story.
To disagree with her is one thing but ad hominem attacks are uncalled for. If going to church every week is the mark of a good christian then there are more than one of us in trouble here.

Mark

keep 5 yards

]]> By: adrian http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/12/11/questions/comment-page-2/#comment-15714 adrian Sun, 12 Dec 2004 22:58:37 +0000 http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/12/11/questions/#comment-15714 Hello, all: I wish, oh, how I wish, that the one-upsmanship about "judging others" would stop. "How dare you judge others?" "How dare you judge me for judging others?" "How dare you judge me for judging you for judging others" . . . ad nauseam. I mean, really, who cares? No, I don't take God's place in deciding about people's eternal destiny. But I'm a d----d fool if I don't call a spade a spade. Jesus did, and are we gonna say he wasn't Christian enough? You know, Christianity isn't an honorific title for nice people. Christianity is a historical reality with definite beliefs. Yes, there are differences, too, but, on fundamentals, there's a basic convergence. I am a Roman Catholic, but I recognize as fellow believers all who profess Jesus Christ to be the only-begotten Son and Word of God who became incarnate for our salvation. People who don't believe this may be nice people, even nicer than some Christians I know, but they're not Christians. So, yes, DarkStar, we can call people who disagree with us non-Christians. Nice Mormons aren't Christians. Neither are nice Hindus and nice Muslims. It's not a question of being mean and exclusive, but of truth in labelling. Being Christian, in other words, also means confessing a faith with a definite propositional content: "Jesus Christ is Lord"---and all that goes with that. Cordially, Adrian Hello, all:

I wish, oh, how I wish, that the one-upsmanship about “judging others” would stop. “How dare you judge others?” “How dare you judge me for judging others?” “How dare you judge me for judging you for judging others” . . . ad nauseam.

I mean, really, who cares? No, I don’t take God’s place in deciding about people’s eternal destiny. But I’m a d—-d fool if I don’t call a spade a spade. Jesus did, and are we gonna say he wasn’t Christian enough?

You know, Christianity isn’t an honorific title for nice people. Christianity is a historical reality with definite beliefs. Yes, there are differences, too, but, on fundamentals, there’s a basic convergence. I am a Roman Catholic, but I recognize as fellow believers all who profess Jesus Christ to be the only-begotten Son and Word of God who became incarnate for our salvation. People who don’t believe this may be nice people, even nicer than some Christians I know, but they’re not Christians.

So, yes, DarkStar, we can call people who disagree with us non-Christians. Nice Mormons aren’t Christians. Neither are nice Hindus and nice Muslims.

It’s not a question of being mean and exclusive, but of truth in labelling.

Being Christian, in other words, also means confessing a faith with a definite propositional content: “Jesus Christ is Lord”—and all that goes with that.

Cordially,

Adrian

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