You ever notice that when liberals want something, they have to circumvent the people, go around them, if you will, to get what they want? Why is that? Probably because most Americans don’t want perversion, crime, a welfare state, social engineering, forced association, etc., in their communities and lives. Liberals have been running to judges to overturn or create law since Roe v. Wade.
For those who don’t understand America’s system (including some of you Americans), legislators, not judges, are supposed to make law. What’s the rationale? For starters, the people have a say in how laws are written because they elect the people doing the writing. Judges are to interpret the law once it’s written, not write it themselves. Got it?
Although the people of Arizona decided they do not want their tax money going to the upkeep of border jumpers, “civil rights” groups, such as the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund, want to spit on the will of the voters in Arizona.
Fifty six percent of them, including 47 percent of Hispanics, voted “YES” on Proposition 200, and these miscreants say it means nothing. Throw the Constitution out!
A civil rights group asked a federal appeals court Tuesday to block a new state law that denies some public benefits to illegal immigrants. Approved by voters in November, the law requires proof that a person is not an illegal immigrant when applying for some government services and proof of citizenship when registering to vote. It also says government workers who do not report illegal immigrants seeking the benefits can face jail time.In an emergency motion, the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund asked the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco to block portions of the law while it appeals a judge’s earlier decision allowing the law to go into effect.
Supporters see the law as a way to begin cracking down on illegal immigration in Arizona, the busiest illegal entry point on the U.S.-Mexico border.
The civil rights group contends the measure will harm families who depend on public benefits for basic necessities, and could potentially cut them from all state services. (Source)
Arizona is going the way of California, with its bankrupt system and all the white people moving out. Yes, you heard what I said. White Californians are packing up and heading north, even the liberal ones.
Rather than going into why this is so and what the implications are, I challenge you to answer those questions.
Also see Proposition 200 Now Arizona State Law and California’s $9 Billion Albatross.
Update (10:07 p.m.): This really gets under my skin. I may blog about it tomorrow.
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Sigh. Here we go again. Liberal speak freely, so get used to it. A majority’s vote is not a gag on anyone. Anybody can protest what they think bad policy, and anybody has a right to file an appeal to the courts about it for any reason. Anybody, anytime, anywhere–no special priviledges involved. If it has no merit, the courts don’t have to hear it.
If you want to say someone views are wrong, fine. If you want to say the people with wrong views have no business expressing them and should simply shut up, also fine, but not very American, really.
Joseph,
I think you are missing the point here. La Shawn is not saying that the MALDEF does not have the right to file their case, but simply that it is wrong-headed in concept and what it seeks to accomplish.
The illegal immigrant situation in this country is going to reach a crisis level within the next few years, if not this year. Most people do not realize how extensive the influx of illegals is (20 to 30 million), and the level of problem it causing this country. They are a huge drain on our economy, on our social services programs, and on our law enforcement and courts resources.
The Mexican Government is doing everything possible to confound any attempt by the US Government to crack down on the problem. Yesterday, I was astounded to see displayed in a news broadcast, a copy of a Mexican Government publication which is designed to assist illegals in their entry into the US. It gives tips on how to make the border crossing in a safe manner, and how to avoid law enforcement authorities on the journey, as well as once the illegal is established in this country.
The report mentioned that the Mexican Government is also providing counselors to advise prospective border crossers with specific information as to the best locations and times to cross to avoid interception, and how to obtain work, free social services, and documentation to establish themselves, once in the US.
Our government has got to get on the ball on this issue before it’s too late (if it isn’t already).
Montie! I’ve missed you. I’m glad you’re back.
Let me first say that I wish you the best in your efforts to become a full time writer. Now about the Arizona post – First, if 47% of eligible Hispanic voters were in favor of the ballot initiative, that means that 53% were against it (or had no opinion). I think we need to flush out more whether illegals financially drain the system more than they contribute to it. I’m sure that quite a few Arizona businesses are benefitting from the lower wages being paid to illegals. Arizona consumers are benefitting from lower costs of goods and services being produced by illegals. Legal Arizona recipients of federal Social Security benefits are benefitting from the withholding being taken from illegals that those illegals will never be able to claim (because they were using counterfeit Social Security cards w/ fake names). Arizona and other southwestern states are benefitting from the political stability being seen south of the border, in part because illegals and legal immigrants are remitting Billions of dollars back to the families they left behind. The issue is just not that cut and dry!!
However, I do agree that the forum to discuss and decide these issues should be the legislative and executive branches of government, NOT THE JUDICIARY.
The issue of immigration (legal & illegal) will be a bellweather issue for both the national Republican & Democratic parties for the foreseeable future. It will be important to the Anglo vote moving north, but also to the Hispanic vote that will be left behind (and probably taking over)!
Sigh, here goes Joseph again.
So, doing as Liberals do, I’ll speak freely also.
“Law-breaking” is not being “really American” either. So those advocating it should shutup.
I have heard of no law that the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund has broken. They are “petitioning for a redress of grievances”, a right our Constitution explicitly guarantees, in the proper forum for it–the courts–and the courts are charged with deciding if those grievances have merit. Maybe they do, maybe they don’t, but the MALDEF has a right to a hearing in any case.
You original post invokes the Constitution, but it helps when the Contitution, and ALL the Constitution, is read with some care, rather than merely being waved around.
Joseph, why don’t you come on down to Arizona and watch “lawbreaking” firsthand from the comfort of your car as the illegals climb over the border fence!
What a shame to have to watch illegal aliens jumping the border and be powerless to stop it. Deputize the citizens!
Dave,
This is an old joke, but for me a true one. It happened in TX, however, not AZ.
While driving along the Rio Grande, I found Jesus. He had snuck into the truck bed with our camping gear, along with his cousin, Guillermo. Luckily we found them before law enforcement did.
Joseph, you have a point, in that MALDEF can file an appeal. But that doesn’t negate LaShawn’s point. Why is it whenever the people vote against libs’ policy desires, they always try to back-door it through the courts?
Since this is the 9th Circuit, I predict they will act on MALDEF’s desire, only to get overturned.
It doesn’t matter whether “53% of Hispanics were against it (or had no opinion).” 56% of the people were for it.
And I agree SCISIwuzzy, I think it will be overturned as well (unfortunately). Where there’s a will of the people, there’s a way to get around it.
They are in my town, too, out here in Ohio. I have seen them, off and on, on the bus for over a decade. The Feds chase them when they find them and deport them when they catch them. All in good legal order, thank you. Due process of law, I believe it’s called.
I would take the breastbeating about it by conservatives more seriously if I saw more castigation by them of the people who are known to have deliberately EMPLOYED illegals, such as Wal-Mart and our recent nominee for Homeland Security Director.
It is very easy NOT to deliberately employ them–there are official papers and documents which make a good faith effort to avoid breaking THAT law quite easy.
And if they were not employed, they could not survive in significant numbers, and they would likely leave.
Hi La Shawn,
I hope to be reading you in my local newspaper by 2010. You expound a Christian world view with clarity and kindness. While you may never convince those who send you hate mail, your clear presentation of the truth without responding in kind brings glory to God. If all you do is speak the truth and pray for them you have pleased your Lord.
As for the judicial system, the SCOTUS has for some time now placed itself above the Executive and Legislative branches of government. In 1892 after several years of research, the SCOTUS found that we were a religious people and if you read the descision and the documents they reviewed which started with the compacts (like the Mayflower)and went to the U.S. Constitution and state constituions it’s not hard to figure out which religion they meant. In the past 50 or so years the SCOTUS has turned us into a secular people. More than one of our Founding Fathers expresed the fear that without the restraint of Christian morality our’s with all it’s freedoms was a dangerous form of government. Well now we have it and it appears that those Founding Fathers were right.
Odd, Bernie K took himself off the table for that. Maybe because he knew that he would be find little to no defense from the conservative base. As for Walmart, that was a small # of subcontractors not directly employed by Walmart, and it did not reach the top levels. That is to say, to condem all of Walmart is a bit extreme, since it was not a company wide event.
But, we do need to address the whole problem. Hit the employers, and cut off the welfare, and anything else that makes illegal aliens want to be illegal.
LB, you are marvelous darling!
What part of illegal do some commenters not understand? It doesnt matter that some employers find them profitable, its still illegal. And apparently not enough Arizona employers found it profitable enough to vote the proposal down.
I am all for legal immigration, its the illegal part that I object to. Come here legally, and let your wages be legally taxed, and partake legally of the great benefits of this fantastic country.
The constituion, which should be read in total, gives states the right to make these decisions. Opposing groups have the right to protest the decisions and have a LEGAL hearing. But the people who vote to pass the legislation also have a right to be upset or angry with those who try to overturn their will thru judicial fiat. The best 2 ways to do that are thru the ballot box (unfortunately can be overturned by activist judges) and economic sanctions on those entities and individuals resisting their will (the one true, unassailable option that no judge can overturn).
Let the will of the people take precedence over the demands of illegal aliens and the legal leeches that represent them its time to deport all illegal alienss and close the border for good.
Joseph,
If you don’t believe that illegals are a drain on the US economy let me invite you to spend some time with me here in the heart of the midwest, Tulsa Oklahoma. First, they are a problem for law enforcement (spoken as a 19 year veteran detective). The illegal immigrant population in Tulsa has exploded since I have been in law enforcement. We have had a pretty bad gang problem (Crips and Bloods type)here since the mid 80’s, but now that we have a large number of illegal Hispanics, the gang problems have shifted to Hispanic gangs and gone through the roof! We devote a lot of manpower to this. The Hispanic population is very uncooperative with us do to language barriers and the fact that they are leery of police due to their illegal status. When we do arrest somebody, they disappear if released on bond (either to another city under another name and SSN, or to Mexico).
I work at a homeless shelter part-time. We have a large number of illegals pass through the shelter using up sparse charity funding. Most have no ID and do not speak English. If I am not there, they have a really hard time communicating (I speak Spanish, a police pre-requisite these days).
I am often at one or the other of our local emergency rooms on business. They are flooded with illegals utilizing emergency services because, being illegal, they have no regular doctor. Most never pay their bills and often receive services under false names.
Illegals who do find work, are often paid cash “off the books”. They will work for less money and the employer does not have to submit any tax, SS, medicare, or workers comp money for them. If they have relatives in Mexico, most send a good portion of their earnings back to Mexico, and it is never spent in the US.
How can these things not ad up to a tremendous drain on our systems when multiplied by 20 or 30 million?
Montie, I hope you plan to continue commenting on my posts via e-mail. Yours is the sort of e-mail I’d post in response to this issue. A real person who has experienced this problem and knows what he’s talking about. Theory is fine for the class room.
Nobody said they weren’t a burden. But it’s like the old saying, “There are dozens hacking at the branches, for every single person who is cutting out the root.”
Money is the root. They come here for the money. Turn off the money and they will cease to come. When Arizona, Oklahoma, or anyone else, makes it a felony with possible jail time to knowingly employ an illegal alien and starts proactively checking company records for the documentation of their workers, then I will know that they are really serious about the problem.
And I will also have a huge horse laugh about how fast the company lawyers will be all over the courts to have the law overturned.
LaShawn and all you fantastic people,
I live in Tucson, I voted fro Prop 200 as the majority of Arizonans did. Why must the minority(for you liberals, those who voted against it)decide what is best when the majority of the voters approved it? Why must we be insulted with this? Why can’r people just accept the will of the people. If they don’t like it, start another ballot initative to get rid of it. But don’t tie up the courts and spend State money on this any longer.
I think the practice of law should be kept at least 1000 yards from the ballot box prior to, during and for at least 72 hours after the last ballot has been cast.
Dean,
What are your thoughts on the “how to be an illegal in the USA” pamphlet the Mexican govt. is handing out ?
SCSI,
I think it’s basically the same as Vincente Fox campaigning for re-election in Phoenix. In other words it’s absolute B.S.. It does nothing but to prove how porous our border is. It also shows the lack of respect for our laws and the system which these folks so want to be a part of.
I wonder, if all those illegals put the same effort into making thier homeland better as they do trying to get across the border, what a beautiful place it would be.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,143433,00.html
This is too good to be true.
Certainly agree about hitting the employers. Not for any kind of abstract “it’s not fair to beat on the poor defenceless illegal whilst you let the fat cat employers get away with it” idiot reason, but for the practical reason that they’re an easier target.
It’s pretty easy for transient illegals to fade into the background, and reappear somewhere else. Wal-Mart, Joe’s discount gardners or whoever, can’t do that. If you hit “real” employers hard for not making a reasonable effort to avoid employing people who aren’t entitled to work, and you significantly reduce the number of jobs available to illegals, and so the incentive for them to come.
Oh, and if your whole local economy relies on illegals living 8 to a room for cheap labour, it’s broken.
The people of arizona have spoken they are tired of illegal immigrants and sick f having their property trampled on by these illegl aliens they dont want any benefits to illegal aliens and if the liberals dont like it then they can go take a hike
I’m from California, and probably the only reason I’m staying is because I can buy raw milk here. The only other place is Georgia, and I don’t want to move there.
The illegal immigration problem could be solved if the US annexed Mexico. In other words, make it part of the US under our Constitution. Heck, half of Mexico’s population seems to prefer our Consitution and culture anyway since they either have or want to escape Mexico for the US.
Let’s save them the trouble and instead bring the US to them.
Don’t give them statehood all at once, instead do it in stages over a period of 30 years. Make learning English, US history, civics, and minimizing corruption a prerequisite to statehood.
Mexico’s underutilized natural resources could be developed to pay for this and give them jobs. These resouces include oil, natural gas, silver and other minerals, and 5000 miles of warm coastline!
Unfortunatly, Bush would probably be against this. He seems to support the current super rich, white ruling class of Mexico, and wants to hold Mexican wages down to $1 an hour.
Well, what do you expect from the governor of a former slave state.
But I thought Bush had imperialist ambitions…
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I am concerned with white people moving out of California (even Liberals) primarily because a lot of the people who have significantly contributed to the Mexican illegal imigration problem are moving to my home state of Texas and settling primarily around our state capital of Austin. Are they going to mess up Texas like they have California?
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