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		<title>By: firebird</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/01/11/covert/comment-page-1/#comment-18889</link>
		<dc:creator>firebird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jan 2005 02:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I heard that the classic I WANT YOU signs with Uncle Sam were derived from a poster used by england during WW I with the lines BRITONS NEEDS YOU and a picture of lord kirctner on it but you got to admit the UNCLE SAMS poster with it I WANT YOU was a great idea</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heard that the classic I WANT YOU signs with Uncle Sam were derived from a poster used by england during WW I with the lines BRITONS NEEDS YOU and a picture of lord kirctner on it but you got to admit the UNCLE SAMS poster with it I WANT YOU was a great idea</p>
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		<title>By: firebird</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/01/11/covert/comment-page-1/#comment-18529</link>
		<dc:creator>firebird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jan 2005 02:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dont ever expect the liberal left-wing news media to ever tell the truth their too busy lying about everything why do you think rather and brokaw lost their jobs?</description>
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		<title>By: Gisela Hausmann</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/01/11/covert/comment-page-1/#comment-18428</link>
		<dc:creator>Gisela Hausmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jan 2005 15:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a person with a masters degree in arts of mass media I could not agree more with your analysis about the “advertising” practices of the Department of Education. However, there is an additional problem: This situation is used by the media to focus on any possible wrong-doings of the involved parties when the real question regarding No-Child-Left-Behind ought to be: Is it working? 

In December of 2004 the results of the PISA study 2003 were published. It was conducted by the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development&#039;s Program for International Student Assessment (PISA), which tested 15-year old students from 39 countries.  The result: U.S. students’ math skills have dropped from #19 in 2000 to #28 in 2003. Now, U.S. students’ math skills are listed as significantly below the OECD average. With the usual exceptions (NY Times, CSMonitor, Business Investor’s Daily) not much was reported about this devastating result, which may or may not be due to the fact, that U.S. children actually scored better before NCLB was signed into law. 

Given the facts that the IT-industry is the only one which forecasts a 100% job-growth, that outsourcing is already a major problem for the U.S., and that mathematics is THE most important subject to prepare students for any career in the IT industry, this PISA study result is a devastating problem. U.S. students were outscored by students from 27 countries including Poland, Hungary, and Latvia, and not only the usual top scorers from Asian countries. Rod Paige called this situation a “blinking red light”, I think it presents a dangerous situation for the future of the country (If in the future more well-paying jobs will get outsourced, whose taxes will pay for ... whatever?). 

Personally, I believe that these famous funds should have been used for a publicity campaign informing U.S. parents that they will have to engage into their children’s math education or their children might not be able to get a well-paying job in the future. 

The idea that No-Child-Left-Behind, which practically puts all burden on teachers alone, could be working without parental support is ridiculous. However, advertisement stunts such as the one with Armstrong Williams are designed to convince the public who may not read the NY Times, the CSMonitor, or Business Investor’s Daily that No-Child-Left-Behind solves all their and their children’s problems, and that should be the real issue of debate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a person with a masters degree in arts of mass media I could not agree more with your analysis about the “advertising” practices of the Department of Education. However, there is an additional problem: This situation is used by the media to focus on any possible wrong-doings of the involved parties when the real question regarding No-Child-Left-Behind ought to be: Is it working? </p>
<p>In December of 2004 the results of the PISA study 2003 were published. It was conducted by the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development&#8217;s Program for International Student Assessment (PISA), which tested 15-year old students from 39 countries.  The result: U.S. students’ math skills have dropped from #19 in 2000 to #28 in 2003. Now, U.S. students’ math skills are listed as significantly below the OECD average. With the usual exceptions (NY Times, CSMonitor, Business Investor’s Daily) not much was reported about this devastating result, which may or may not be due to the fact, that U.S. children actually scored better before NCLB was signed into law. </p>
<p>Given the facts that the IT-industry is the only one which forecasts a 100% job-growth, that outsourcing is already a major problem for the U.S., and that mathematics is THE most important subject to prepare students for any career in the IT industry, this PISA study result is a devastating problem. U.S. students were outscored by students from 27 countries including Poland, Hungary, and Latvia, and not only the usual top scorers from Asian countries. Rod Paige called this situation a “blinking red light”, I think it presents a dangerous situation for the future of the country (If in the future more well-paying jobs will get outsourced, whose taxes will pay for &#8230; whatever?). </p>
<p>Personally, I believe that these famous funds should have been used for a publicity campaign informing U.S. parents that they will have to engage into their children’s math education or their children might not be able to get a well-paying job in the future. </p>
<p>The idea that No-Child-Left-Behind, which practically puts all burden on teachers alone, could be working without parental support is ridiculous. However, advertisement stunts such as the one with Armstrong Williams are designed to convince the public who may not read the NY Times, the CSMonitor, or Business Investor’s Daily that No-Child-Left-Behind solves all their and their children’s problems, and that should be the real issue of debate.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Mitchell</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/01/11/covert/comment-page-1/#comment-18266</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Mitchell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would point out one small correction.

LaShawn stated: &quot;I hate to agree with liberals, but in this case, I must. While I don’t want to read about yet another Congressional hearing or investigation, one might be necessary.&quot;

LaShawn isn&#039;t agreeing with liberals here even if she says she does. She is taking a stand that people should be honest and legal regardless of the party they belong to and she will hold our side accountable just as she would the liberals. That the liberals are on the right side is coincidental, they are doing this out of their desire to inflict damage on the other side, not because it was dishonest. Based on what little I have read here, I am certain that LaShawn does not agree with them on motivation.

This issue starts touching on a number of issues that conservatives have dropped in favor of thrashing Democrats. President Bush has at least three major points that disagree with conservative values.

No Child Left Behind Act: I don&#039;t disagree with the act per se (I haven&#039;t really researched what it does, but I hear it establishes standards against which schools can be measured), but I disagree that the federal government should intrude on the states to push such a program.

Patriot Act: I would rather we have strict limits on the ability of government to monitor people and violate fundamental rights and take the risks of terror attacks. Yes, people point out there has been no abuse of the act, and I can&#039;t argue that, but I have been through kangaroo court type hearings and know exactly how much due process means. It will be when people are comfortable with this act that government will start abusing it.

Senior Drug Prescription Benefit: Disclosure: I am getting close to being a senior type person and my wife is five years closer than I am. Yet, this is an irresponsible giveaway that taxes one group of people to provide benefits to another. If people want something it should be up to them to get create it rather than have government provide it. We all die and it shouldn&#039;t be government&#039;s business to prolong it at the expense of others.

In these three things our president has moved left and I don&#039;t see anybody calling him on it. I think that Republicans are mistaken when they say President Bush has a mandate. He sneaked liberal garbage into his agenda and the election may reflect that more than any cultural movement to the right. I do believe that culture is moving that direction, but we should be cautious about the actual distance we have traveled and the number of people who are truly conservative. If we misread our own status, we may end up like John Kerry, and who of you wants to end up like that?

As I have heard the mainstream media say, we need to speak truth to power, and it can&#039;t be just the Democrats we speak it to. If we want the culture to continue to move right we need to have a destination worth moving to. We have to show that we have dependable, trustworthy principles that are worth living for. It cannot be corrupt and philosophically bankrupt like those who advocate socialist, leftist politics and who must cheat to advance their agenda.

LaShawn Barber is my kind of lady in that regard.

Jeff Mitchell</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would point out one small correction.</p>
<p>LaShawn stated: &#8220;I hate to agree with liberals, but in this case, I must. While I don’t want to read about yet another Congressional hearing or investigation, one might be necessary.&#8221;</p>
<p>LaShawn isn&#8217;t agreeing with liberals here even if she says she does. She is taking a stand that people should be honest and legal regardless of the party they belong to and she will hold our side accountable just as she would the liberals. That the liberals are on the right side is coincidental, they are doing this out of their desire to inflict damage on the other side, not because it was dishonest. Based on what little I have read here, I am certain that LaShawn does not agree with them on motivation.</p>
<p>This issue starts touching on a number of issues that conservatives have dropped in favor of thrashing Democrats. President Bush has at least three major points that disagree with conservative values.</p>
<p>No Child Left Behind Act: I don&#8217;t disagree with the act per se (I haven&#8217;t really researched what it does, but I hear it establishes standards against which schools can be measured), but I disagree that the federal government should intrude on the states to push such a program.</p>
<p>Patriot Act: I would rather we have strict limits on the ability of government to monitor people and violate fundamental rights and take the risks of terror attacks. Yes, people point out there has been no abuse of the act, and I can&#8217;t argue that, but I have been through kangaroo court type hearings and know exactly how much due process means. It will be when people are comfortable with this act that government will start abusing it.</p>
<p>Senior Drug Prescription Benefit: Disclosure: I am getting close to being a senior type person and my wife is five years closer than I am. Yet, this is an irresponsible giveaway that taxes one group of people to provide benefits to another. If people want something it should be up to them to get create it rather than have government provide it. We all die and it shouldn&#8217;t be government&#8217;s business to prolong it at the expense of others.</p>
<p>In these three things our president has moved left and I don&#8217;t see anybody calling him on it. I think that Republicans are mistaken when they say President Bush has a mandate. He sneaked liberal garbage into his agenda and the election may reflect that more than any cultural movement to the right. I do believe that culture is moving that direction, but we should be cautious about the actual distance we have traveled and the number of people who are truly conservative. If we misread our own status, we may end up like John Kerry, and who of you wants to end up like that?</p>
<p>As I have heard the mainstream media say, we need to speak truth to power, and it can&#8217;t be just the Democrats we speak it to. If we want the culture to continue to move right we need to have a destination worth moving to. We have to show that we have dependable, trustworthy principles that are worth living for. It cannot be corrupt and philosophically bankrupt like those who advocate socialist, leftist politics and who must cheat to advance their agenda.</p>
<p>LaShawn Barber is my kind of lady in that regard.</p>
<p>Jeff Mitchell</p>
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		<title>By: The Glittering Eye</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/01/11/covert/comment-page-1/#comment-18265</link>
		<dc:creator>The Glittering Eye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:20:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Catching my eye:  morning A through Z&lt;/strong&gt;
Here&#039;s what&#039;s caught my eye this morning: LaShawn Barber has a solid post on propaganda. Bithead comments on train derailments. The ubiquitous praktike of chez Nadezhda endorses Simon Rosenberg for DNC chair. So does Matthew Yglesias. Callimachus of ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Catching my eye:  morning A through Z</strong><br />
Here&#8217;s what&#8217;s caught my eye this morning: LaShawn Barber has a solid post on propaganda. Bithead comments on train derailments. The ubiquitous praktike of chez Nadezhda endorses Simon Rosenberg for DNC chair. So does Matthew Yglesias. Callimachus of &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ikw3804</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/01/11/covert/comment-page-1/#comment-18261</link>
		<dc:creator>ikw3804</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Normally I do not like to give Democrats gasoline for a fire. But in this instance I think you are right on here. And someone should be held accountable for the error.
I beleive that the President will address this issue and we will move on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Normally I do not like to give Democrats gasoline for a fire. But in this instance I think you are right on here. And someone should be held accountable for the error.<br />
I beleive that the President will address this issue and we will move on.</p>
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		<title>By: LB</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/01/11/covert/comment-page-1/#comment-18260</link>
		<dc:creator>LB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:53:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As you wish, Linda. It&#039;s certainly a free country.

If you&#039;ve read my post, although I have a feeling you&#039;re reacting more to the comments, you will clearly see that I have nothing against a person earning money. Although I put the word &lt;strong&gt;Disclosure&lt;/strong&gt; in bold letters and repeated it several times, you prefer to disregard it.

I don&#039;t write all this stuff to entertain myself. I try to give people as much information as I can so they will know the facts. I included links for two GAO hearings, which state that what the various government agencies have been doing amounts to &quot;covert propaganda,&quot; their words, not mine. The language is in the appropriations bills for a reason. If the government broke the law by giving Williams the cash without disclosure, Williams bears some of the blame, too.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As you wish, Linda. It&#8217;s certainly a free country.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;ve read my post, although I have a feeling you&#8217;re reacting more to the comments, you will clearly see that I have nothing against a person earning money. Although I put the word <strong>Disclosure</strong> in bold letters and repeated it several times, you prefer to disregard it.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t write all this stuff to entertain myself. I try to give people as much information as I can so they will know the facts. I included links for two GAO hearings, which state that what the various government agencies have been doing amounts to &#8220;covert propaganda,&#8221; their words, not mine. The language is in the appropriations bills for a reason. If the government broke the law by giving Williams the cash without disclosure, Williams bears some of the blame, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Linda</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/01/11/covert/comment-page-1/#comment-18259</link>
		<dc:creator>Linda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Lashawn,
Sorry but you lose me here.  I see nothing wrong in being paid to advocate a program you approve of.  All of this just sounds silly, petty, jealous and very self rightous.  I don&#039;t believe for a minute That Mr. Williams can be bought.  I absolutely do not see anything wrong with his being paid.  I usually just come by and lurk and feel refreshed and happy to read your blog.  This is the first time I have felt insulted and and kinda of oohhh I don&#039;t know a little like I need to wash or something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Lashawn,<br />
Sorry but you lose me here.  I see nothing wrong in being paid to advocate a program you approve of.  All of this just sounds silly, petty, jealous and very self rightous.  I don&#8217;t believe for a minute That Mr. Williams can be bought.  I absolutely do not see anything wrong with his being paid.  I usually just come by and lurk and feel refreshed and happy to read your blog.  This is the first time I have felt insulted and and kinda of oohhh I don&#8217;t know a little like I need to wash or something.</p>
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		<title>By: jay bird</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/01/11/covert/comment-page-1/#comment-18254</link>
		<dc:creator>jay bird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jan 2005 06:48:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Enough&#039;s enough.  Williams made a mistake.  That&#039;s all.  moveon.now,  &#039;cause here&#039;s what I&#039;m suspecting:  I luv ya Lashawn -I really do- but I believe I detect that your squeamishness on this matter derives from what your friends from your former liberal days are saying or going to say about it all.  And they don&#039;t matter.  Whatever Williams did is minor and deminimis compared to what goes on in the liberal world.  And there was no dishonesty here.  He isn&#039;t a crook.  So forget about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Enough&#8217;s enough.  Williams made a mistake.  That&#8217;s all.  moveon.now,  &#8217;cause here&#8217;s what I&#8217;m suspecting:  I luv ya Lashawn -I really do- but I believe I detect that your squeamishness on this matter derives from what your friends from your former liberal days are saying or going to say about it all.  And they don&#8217;t matter.  Whatever Williams did is minor and deminimis compared to what goes on in the liberal world.  And there was no dishonesty here.  He isn&#8217;t a crook.  So forget about it.</p>
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		<title>By: BuckTownDusty</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/01/11/covert/comment-page-1/#comment-18251</link>
		<dc:creator>BuckTownDusty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jan 2005 04:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LaShawn,
I have authentic 1940 xerox memos that prove Uncle Sam worked for CBS while posing for war posters on the side. &quot;I know they are real&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LaShawn,<br />
I have authentic 1940 xerox memos that prove Uncle Sam worked for CBS while posing for war posters on the side. &#8220;I know they are real&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Baklava</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/01/11/covert/comment-page-1/#comment-18249</link>
		<dc:creator>Baklava</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jan 2005 03:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>.... And how about the fleecing of taxpayers to pay for anti-smoking commercials or this and that commercial. When was the government never supposed to have the ability to pay for their VOICE?

The issue was disclosure...
... now we&#039;ve moved the goal posts on Mr. Williams but nobody else have we moved the goalposts on..

Double-standards hurt us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;. And how about the fleecing of taxpayers to pay for anti-smoking commercials or this and that commercial. When was the government never supposed to have the ability to pay for their VOICE?</p>
<p>The issue was disclosure&#8230;<br />
&#8230; now we&#8217;ve moved the goal posts on Mr. Williams but nobody else have we moved the goalposts on..</p>
<p>Double-standards hurt us.</p>
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		<title>By: Baklava</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/01/11/covert/comment-page-1/#comment-18248</link>
		<dc:creator>Baklava</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jan 2005 03:11:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>La Shawn penned, &quot;“No part of any appropriation contained in this Act shall be used for publicity or propaganda purposes not authorized by the Congress.”

My response - Then let&#039;s wipe out PBS. 

Wipe out PBS!
Wipe out PBS!

Question about Mr. Williams.... Propaganda implies lying. What was a lie told by Mr. Williams besides the fact that his silence (WHICH HAS SINCE BEEN CLEARED) was a lie because he didn&#039;t disclose (BUT NOW HAS DISCLOSED)????

&lt;strong&gt; Again.... Let&#039;s move on to tackle the LIARS in the press who want to say anything about anybody without any regard for the truth. Who want to say anything about economics, the environment, stem cells, or whatever you want to name. 

I would gladly love to set the record straight. I don&#039;t know what Mr. Williams said that needs to be set straight. And if he broke that law LB then so does PBS in my eyes.&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>La Shawn penned, &#8220;“No part of any appropriation contained in this Act shall be used for publicity or propaganda purposes not authorized by the Congress.”</p>
<p>My response &#8211; Then let&#8217;s wipe out PBS. </p>
<p>Wipe out PBS!<br />
Wipe out PBS!</p>
<p>Question about Mr. Williams&#8230;. Propaganda implies lying. What was a lie told by Mr. Williams besides the fact that his silence (WHICH HAS SINCE BEEN CLEARED) was a lie because he didn&#8217;t disclose (BUT NOW HAS DISCLOSED)????</p>
<p><strong> Again&#8230;. Let&#8217;s move on to tackle the LIARS in the press who want to say anything about anybody without any regard for the truth. Who want to say anything about economics, the environment, stem cells, or whatever you want to name. </p>
<p>I would gladly love to set the record straight. I don&#8217;t know what Mr. Williams said that needs to be set straight. And if he broke that law LB then so does PBS in my eyes.</strong></p>
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		<title>By: Mike M.</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/01/11/covert/comment-page-1/#comment-18243</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jan 2005 01:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>La Shawn


I think it&#039;s Oxford English Dictionary?  But that&#039;s just a guess.</description>
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<p>I think it&#8217;s Oxford English Dictionary?  But that&#8217;s just a guess.</p>
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		<title>By: La Shawn</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/01/11/covert/comment-page-1/#comment-18242</link>
		<dc:creator>La Shawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jan 2005 01:27:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the info, Jim C. By the way, what is OED?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the info, Jim C. By the way, what is OED?</p>
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		<title>By: err head</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/01/11/covert/comment-page-1/#comment-18241</link>
		<dc:creator>err head</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jan 2005 01:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>in ww2 frank capra gave us the &quot;why we fight&quot; series. well done propaganda, i remember watching them on pbs as a kid and wanting to go kill germans.
today we get fahrenheit 9/11</description>
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today we get fahrenheit 9/11</p>
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