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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/01/13/thursday/comment-page-2/#comment-18981</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jan 2005 22:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting, in particular post military reserves academic studies.

Bush&#039;s HBS MBA
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=3378

sKerry&#039;s Resume
http://kerry-04.com/about/resume.php</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting, in particular post military reserves academic studies.</p>
<p>Bush&#8217;s HBS MBA<br />
<a href="http://www.americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=3378" rel="nofollow">http://www.americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=3378</a></p>
<p>sKerry&#8217;s Resume<br />
<a href="http://kerry-04.com/about/resume.php" rel="nofollow">http://kerry-04.com/about/resume.php</a></p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/01/13/thursday/comment-page-2/#comment-18827</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jan 2005 02:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Baklava, right on!!!</description>
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		<title>By: Baklava</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/01/13/thursday/comment-page-2/#comment-18766</link>
		<dc:creator>Baklava</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jan 2005 20:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Winds of Change made the following Post:
Here&#039;s a list of MSA&#039;s (Metropolitan Statistical Areas) in the United States.

New Orleans-Metairie-Kenner, LA 
Victoria, TX
Detroit-Livonia-Dearborn, MI
Pine Bluff, AR
Laredo, TX
Shreveport-Bossier City, LA
Richmond, VA

...what&#039;s interesting about them?

read the rest! »




According to the FBI, they had rates of murder and non-negligent manslaughter comparable to the estimated rates in Iraq right now (14 - 20/100,000 population per year - from Strategypage, with a hat tip to Outside The Beltway).

MSA - Rate per 100,000 
New Orleans-Metairie-Kenner, LA - 25.5 
Victoria, TX - 25.4 
Detroit-Livonia-Dearborn, MI - 19.5 
Pine Bluff, AR - 16.9 
Laredo, TX - 14.7 
Shreveport-Bossier City, LA - 14.5 
Richmond, VA - 13.6 

Does this mean all is well? No. Is this acceptable - in Iraq or in Pine Bluff? No.

But those of us who haven&#039;t closed our minds are all struggling the question we keep coming back to - what are we facing? What are the facts? How widespread is the violence, and how likely is that we&#039;ll be able to contain and reduce it? Is it as widespread and deep as suggested by the opponents of the war? As narrow and shallow as suggested by the supporters? Or - as is likely - somewhere in between.

When you read stories explaining that all is lost in Iraq - or that victory is just around the corner - take a moment and think about who&#039;s saying it. I&#039;d have more respect for the &#039;all is lost&#039; folks if it didn&#039;t fit so neatly into an anti-war or anti-Bush agenda, and for the &quot;it&#039;s a day at the beach&quot; folks if the opposite wasn&#039;t true.

I tend to fall into the &quot;things aren&#039;t as bad as Juan Cole, Robert Scheer, and the New York Times say they are&quot; camp, in part, because I keep seeing numbers like these.

If there was a true uprising among the Iraqis, we&#039;d be seeing far, far higher US and Iraqi death rates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Winds of Change made the following Post:<br />
Here&#8217;s a list of MSA&#8217;s (Metropolitan Statistical Areas) in the United States.</p>
<p>New Orleans-Metairie-Kenner, LA<br />
Victoria, TX<br />
Detroit-Livonia-Dearborn, MI<br />
Pine Bluff, AR<br />
Laredo, TX<br />
Shreveport-Bossier City, LA<br />
Richmond, VA</p>
<p>&#8230;what&#8217;s interesting about them?</p>
<p>read the rest! »</p>
<p>According to the FBI, they had rates of murder and non-negligent manslaughter comparable to the estimated rates in Iraq right now (14 &#8211; 20/100,000 population per year &#8211; from Strategypage, with a hat tip to Outside The Beltway).</p>
<p>MSA &#8211; Rate per 100,000<br />
New Orleans-Metairie-Kenner, LA &#8211; 25.5<br />
Victoria, TX &#8211; 25.4<br />
Detroit-Livonia-Dearborn, MI &#8211; 19.5<br />
Pine Bluff, AR &#8211; 16.9<br />
Laredo, TX &#8211; 14.7<br />
Shreveport-Bossier City, LA &#8211; 14.5<br />
Richmond, VA &#8211; 13.6 </p>
<p>Does this mean all is well? No. Is this acceptable &#8211; in Iraq or in Pine Bluff? No.</p>
<p>But those of us who haven&#8217;t closed our minds are all struggling the question we keep coming back to &#8211; what are we facing? What are the facts? How widespread is the violence, and how likely is that we&#8217;ll be able to contain and reduce it? Is it as widespread and deep as suggested by the opponents of the war? As narrow and shallow as suggested by the supporters? Or &#8211; as is likely &#8211; somewhere in between.</p>
<p>When you read stories explaining that all is lost in Iraq &#8211; or that victory is just around the corner &#8211; take a moment and think about who&#8217;s saying it. I&#8217;d have more respect for the &#8216;all is lost&#8217; folks if it didn&#8217;t fit so neatly into an anti-war or anti-Bush agenda, and for the &#8220;it&#8217;s a day at the beach&#8221; folks if the opposite wasn&#8217;t true.</p>
<p>I tend to fall into the &#8220;things aren&#8217;t as bad as Juan Cole, Robert Scheer, and the New York Times say they are&#8221; camp, in part, because I keep seeing numbers like these.</p>
<p>If there was a true uprising among the Iraqis, we&#8217;d be seeing far, far higher US and Iraqi death rates.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/01/13/thursday/comment-page-2/#comment-18553</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jan 2005 22:12:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL:  &quot;So the Detroit Democrat and a handful of other anti-Bush groups across the country are urging others of like mind to withhold their cash and labor on Inauguration Day -- from all businesses. They don&#039;t think they&#039;ll inflict a huge economic pain, but they do want to make a point...&quot;

More at the Detroit Free Press; http://www.freep.com/news/statewire/sw109880_20050111.htm

These Leftwing losers are idiots!!!  What they don&#039;t spend on 20 Jan, they will spend another day.  Wonder how much the moonbat will spend to enact his campaign?  In fact, if he wasn&#039;t so keen on going to DC to &quot;boycott&quot; the inauguration, the cost of trip would still have been transferred to some other purchase.  One way or another, he&#039;s gonna give Uncle Sam his due.

If he really wanted to get outraged about something, why not call Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick on the carpet for taking out a 1-year lease on a luxury SUV for his wife to use to the tune of $24K with tax $$?  Meanwhile, Detroit is going thru another round of belt-tightening with 10% wage reductions and layoffs.  

Methinks some single mom with 2 kids struggling to make ends meet on a meager city paycheck is gonna appreciate losing her job so the Mayor&#039;s wife can ride in style.  

Yep, ever since Coleman Young, Detroit is a city run by thugs -- Dem politics as usual.  More at http://wxyz.com/wxyz/ys_investigations/article/0,2132,WXYZ_15949_3470883,00.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL:  &#8220;So the Detroit Democrat and a handful of other anti-Bush groups across the country are urging others of like mind to withhold their cash and labor on Inauguration Day &#8212; from all businesses. They don&#8217;t think they&#8217;ll inflict a huge economic pain, but they do want to make a point&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>More at the Detroit Free Press; <a href="http://www.freep.com/news/statewire/sw109880_20050111.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.freep.com/news/statewire/sw109880_20050111.htm</a></p>
<p>These Leftwing losers are idiots!!!  What they don&#8217;t spend on 20 Jan, they will spend another day.  Wonder how much the moonbat will spend to enact his campaign?  In fact, if he wasn&#8217;t so keen on going to DC to &#8220;boycott&#8221; the inauguration, the cost of trip would still have been transferred to some other purchase.  One way or another, he&#8217;s gonna give Uncle Sam his due.</p>
<p>If he really wanted to get outraged about something, why not call Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick on the carpet for taking out a 1-year lease on a luxury SUV for his wife to use to the tune of $24K with tax $$?  Meanwhile, Detroit is going thru another round of belt-tightening with 10% wage reductions and layoffs.  </p>
<p>Methinks some single mom with 2 kids struggling to make ends meet on a meager city paycheck is gonna appreciate losing her job so the Mayor&#8217;s wife can ride in style.  </p>
<p>Yep, ever since Coleman Young, Detroit is a city run by thugs &#8212; Dem politics as usual.  More at <a href="http://wxyz.com/wxyz/ys_investigations/article/0,2132,WXYZ_15949_3470883,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://wxyz.com/wxyz/ys_investigations/article/0,2132,WXYZ_15949_3470883,00.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ron Wright</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/01/13/thursday/comment-page-2/#comment-18551</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jan 2005 18:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, folks doesn&#039;t anyone ever sleep around here.  I&#039;ve already been too bed already and you&#039;re still at it.

Please excuse me but you&#039;re picking at knits. Blessed be for the Net and the Blogos.  Don&#039;t believe everything that the MSM throws your way. e.g. Rathergate for they are no longer the trusted source of the news of the day.  Go read Healing Iraq and Iraq the Model for a different frame of reference and perspective that the MSM is not reporting here. 

If you have a lot of free time on your hands how about putting that energy to work on something that might do some good?  

Like follow the thread in the link below about the Mad Mullahs of Iran about to stone to death a 13 year old girl because of a failed ideology&#039;s &quot;unenlightened/not reformed&quot; false religion.  

I&#039;m not bashing Islam in general but the fundamentalist extremist cultlike sect that will kill innocents to advance it&#039;s mission.  Sorry I for one do not choose to live in the 12th Century!

Bottom line is Saddam was bad dude.  We went in and kicked &quot;butt.&quot;  Now the debate should be why are we staying?  This strategic chess game is still playing out and I would ignore the calls from the bleachers.  

&lt;em&gt;We must stay focussed, keep our mind in the game and eyes on the boy, continue to play offense, and go for the ball at every opportunity to win this war!&lt;/em&gt;

Iraq and Afgan are only major battlefronts in WWIV, &quot;War Against Islamofascism.&quot;  The sooner we as the American people unite both left and right and wipe this Evil from the face of the earth, the less lives we will be lost in the struggle.

And let&#039;s not forget our &quot;old world&quot; allies that our acting in their own self-interest by calling us out for not taking the reasoned diplomacy route of further UN debate to enforce it&#039;s own resolutions.

HELLO?  The last time I checked Saddam skimmed off at last count $21B yes &quot;B&quot;.  And if you PLEASE who were lined up at his trough but non other than France, Russia, and China in that order.  Three votes on the UN Security Council.

Folks get a clue here and look out of the box a little.

Iraq and Afgan are only major battlefronts in WWIV, &quot;The War Against Islamofascism.&quot;

For further see my post at Roger L. Simon site and do scroll up to the main post on a new pivotal essay by Norman Podhoretz, &quot;The War Against World War IV&quot;:

*****

DITTO DITTO AMEN BROTHER PODHORETZ

I totally agree with Mr. Podhoretz but I&#039;m not totally convinced he, VDH, and Krauthammer haven&#039;t been reading my previous rants! Great minds do think alike. :-)

I&#039;ve pieced [together] an anthology of essays on our site that convey the same thoughts and conclusions as Mr. Poheretz has.

&lt;em&gt;In short to win this war we must demonstrate to the world our ideology that values the free will of men and women and certain inalienable rights is superior to that of our enemy&#039;s because of which is still locked and stagnated in the 12th Century.&lt;/em&gt;

[...]

http://www.rogerlsimon.com/mt-archives/2005/01/not_just_johns.php#comments

Here&#039;s a list of the titles.  They are hotlinked at RLS site:

FREEDOM - Thanks to the Greatest Generation for Perserving It

GEO-POLITICAL STRATEGIC ANALYSIS ON WAR ON TERROR

THE WAR ON TERRORISM - A War of Ideas

The MSM is Rooting for the Enemy!

Iraq, Libya, and N. Korea almost built Islamic Nuke

[Smallpox] A Gap in Local Bioterrorism Response

Rules of war enable terror

The Event Clock is Ticking . . .

The Traditional Law Enforcement/Criminal Justice System Paradigm Is Ill Prepared to Fight this War On Terror

THE POWER AND POLITICS OF BLOGS - Blessed Be for the Internet and the Blogosphere

IRAN - MULLAHS ABOUT TO STONE 13 YEAR-OLD GIRL

All women should read the last one and take action and demand the MSM start covering this story.

If you read nothing else read the &quot;FREEDOM, ...&quot; one.  And for the WMD folks open your eyes and read the, &quot;Iraq, . . .Islamic Nuke.&quot;

And if you have any spare time how about helping us to fact check Gary Matsumoto&#039;s new book, &quot;Vaccine-A.&quot;  

Just go to our website and click into the forums section under the anthrax vaccine heading.  The facts in this book suggest the anthrax vaccine is the causal factor in Gulf War Syndrome.

And if you continue to say, &quot;So What only another grand conspiracy theory?&quot;

The great danger here if true is factions in the DOD, the NIH, and the pharma industry have run amuck.  The fox was left guarding the hen house.

Just read the once fabled NIH is now cross compromised by the pharma industry (See LA Times investigative report).  They are playing with fire they truely don&#039;t understand or worse yet they do, for their own personal glory and financial rewards in a race to find a cure for the &quot;Golden Fleece&quot; HIV/AIDS.

Need I mentioned the ones in the phrama industry are the same ones that squeezed the last drop of blood from the physician provider organizations and hospitals now have jumped into the pharma industry.  Some are amoral just like ENRON and are gaming the system for their own self-interests.

Only problem is along the way they will cause the public to lose confidence in the vaccines that the world needs to prevent againt worldwide pandemics of scourges like smallpox.

For those I would recommend a reading the smallpox article and follow the link to the, &quot;The Looming Threat,&quot; which will scare the socks off of your feet.

Now I don&#039;t put us on par with the NAZI physicians running experiments on the inhabitants of the death camps.  But in their trials they did point fingers at one of us doing the samething - Dr. Alf Alving.  Now conincidently his son, Dr. Charles Alving, is one of the two principal researchers in the DOD&#039;s &quot;Lil Shoppe of Horrors.&quot;



Ron Wright, Moderator
HSIG Forums Site
www.hspig.org</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, folks doesn&#8217;t anyone ever sleep around here.  I&#8217;ve already been too bed already and you&#8217;re still at it.</p>
<p>Please excuse me but you&#8217;re picking at knits. Blessed be for the Net and the Blogos.  Don&#8217;t believe everything that the MSM throws your way. e.g. Rathergate for they are no longer the trusted source of the news of the day.  Go read Healing Iraq and Iraq the Model for a different frame of reference and perspective that the MSM is not reporting here. </p>
<p>If you have a lot of free time on your hands how about putting that energy to work on something that might do some good?  </p>
<p>Like follow the thread in the link below about the Mad Mullahs of Iran about to stone to death a 13 year old girl because of a failed ideology&#8217;s &#8220;unenlightened/not reformed&#8221; false religion.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not bashing Islam in general but the fundamentalist extremist cultlike sect that will kill innocents to advance it&#8217;s mission.  Sorry I for one do not choose to live in the 12th Century!</p>
<p>Bottom line is Saddam was bad dude.  We went in and kicked &#8220;butt.&#8221;  Now the debate should be why are we staying?  This strategic chess game is still playing out and I would ignore the calls from the bleachers.  </p>
<p><em>We must stay focussed, keep our mind in the game and eyes on the boy, continue to play offense, and go for the ball at every opportunity to win this war!</em></p>
<p>Iraq and Afgan are only major battlefronts in WWIV, &#8220;War Against Islamofascism.&#8221;  The sooner we as the American people unite both left and right and wipe this Evil from the face of the earth, the less lives we will be lost in the struggle.</p>
<p>And let&#8217;s not forget our &#8220;old world&#8221; allies that our acting in their own self-interest by calling us out for not taking the reasoned diplomacy route of further UN debate to enforce it&#8217;s own resolutions.</p>
<p>HELLO?  The last time I checked Saddam skimmed off at last count $21B yes &#8220;B&#8221;.  And if you PLEASE who were lined up at his trough but non other than France, Russia, and China in that order.  Three votes on the UN Security Council.</p>
<p>Folks get a clue here and look out of the box a little.</p>
<p>Iraq and Afgan are only major battlefronts in WWIV, &#8220;The War Against Islamofascism.&#8221;</p>
<p>For further see my post at Roger L. Simon site and do scroll up to the main post on a new pivotal essay by Norman Podhoretz, &#8220;The War Against World War IV&#8221;:</p>
<p>*****</p>
<p>DITTO DITTO AMEN BROTHER PODHORETZ</p>
<p>I totally agree with Mr. Podhoretz but I&#8217;m not totally convinced he, VDH, and Krauthammer haven&#8217;t been reading my previous rants! Great minds do think alike. <img src='http://lashawnbarber.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve pieced [together] an anthology of essays on our site that convey the same thoughts and conclusions as Mr. Poheretz has.</p>
<p><em>In short to win this war we must demonstrate to the world our ideology that values the free will of men and women and certain inalienable rights is superior to that of our enemy&#8217;s because of which is still locked and stagnated in the 12th Century.</em></p>
<p>[...]</p>
<p><a href="http://www.rogerlsimon.com/mt-archives/2005/01/not_just_johns.php#comments" rel="nofollow">http://www.rogerlsimon.com/mt-archives/2005/01/not_just_johns.php#comments</a></p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a list of the titles.  They are hotlinked at RLS site:</p>
<p>FREEDOM &#8211; Thanks to the Greatest Generation for Perserving It</p>
<p>GEO-POLITICAL STRATEGIC ANALYSIS ON WAR ON TERROR</p>
<p>THE WAR ON TERRORISM &#8211; A War of Ideas</p>
<p>The MSM is Rooting for the Enemy!</p>
<p>Iraq, Libya, and N. Korea almost built Islamic Nuke</p>
<p>[Smallpox] A Gap in Local Bioterrorism Response</p>
<p>Rules of war enable terror</p>
<p>The Event Clock is Ticking . . .</p>
<p>The Traditional Law Enforcement/Criminal Justice System Paradigm Is Ill Prepared to Fight this War On Terror</p>
<p>THE POWER AND POLITICS OF BLOGS &#8211; Blessed Be for the Internet and the Blogosphere</p>
<p>IRAN &#8211; MULLAHS ABOUT TO STONE 13 YEAR-OLD GIRL</p>
<p>All women should read the last one and take action and demand the MSM start covering this story.</p>
<p>If you read nothing else read the &#8220;FREEDOM, &#8230;&#8221; one.  And for the WMD folks open your eyes and read the, &#8220;Iraq, . . .Islamic Nuke.&#8221;</p>
<p>And if you have any spare time how about helping us to fact check Gary Matsumoto&#8217;s new book, &#8220;Vaccine-A.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Just go to our website and click into the forums section under the anthrax vaccine heading.  The facts in this book suggest the anthrax vaccine is the causal factor in Gulf War Syndrome.</p>
<p>And if you continue to say, &#8220;So What only another grand conspiracy theory?&#8221;</p>
<p>The great danger here if true is factions in the DOD, the NIH, and the pharma industry have run amuck.  The fox was left guarding the hen house.</p>
<p>Just read the once fabled NIH is now cross compromised by the pharma industry (See LA Times investigative report).  They are playing with fire they truely don&#8217;t understand or worse yet they do, for their own personal glory and financial rewards in a race to find a cure for the &#8220;Golden Fleece&#8221; HIV/AIDS.</p>
<p>Need I mentioned the ones in the phrama industry are the same ones that squeezed the last drop of blood from the physician provider organizations and hospitals now have jumped into the pharma industry.  Some are amoral just like ENRON and are gaming the system for their own self-interests.</p>
<p>Only problem is along the way they will cause the public to lose confidence in the vaccines that the world needs to prevent againt worldwide pandemics of scourges like smallpox.</p>
<p>For those I would recommend a reading the smallpox article and follow the link to the, &#8220;The Looming Threat,&#8221; which will scare the socks off of your feet.</p>
<p>Now I don&#8217;t put us on par with the NAZI physicians running experiments on the inhabitants of the death camps.  But in their trials they did point fingers at one of us doing the samething &#8211; Dr. Alf Alving.  Now conincidently his son, Dr. Charles Alving, is one of the two principal researchers in the DOD&#8217;s &#8220;Lil Shoppe of Horrors.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ron Wright, Moderator<br />
HSIG Forums Site<br />
<a href="http://www.hspig.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.hspig.org</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bachbone</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/01/13/thursday/comment-page-2/#comment-18528</link>
		<dc:creator>Bachbone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jan 2005 02:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any enemy of Howard Dean&#039;s is automatically a friend of mine.</description>
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		<title>By: Russell Tupper</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/01/13/thursday/comment-page-2/#comment-18515</link>
		<dc:creator>Russell Tupper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jan 2005 23:11:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;I promise you. I won&#8217;t respond to your post.&lt;/em&gt;

Now I know why you don&#039;t care about the lies of this adminstration. A &quot;promise&quot; to you is just a word.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>I promise you. I won&#8217;t respond to your post.</em></p>
<p>Now I know why you don&#8217;t care about the lies of this adminstration. A &#8220;promise&#8221; to you is just a word.</p>
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		<title>By: Russell Tupper</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/01/13/thursday/comment-page-2/#comment-18514</link>
		<dc:creator>Russell Tupper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jan 2005 23:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Baklava -

Call me all the names you want. Insult me to your hearts content. That&#039;s the best way to win an argument, ain&#039;t it?

Reasons for War:
WMDs
Iraq a Threat

Outcomes of War
No WMD
Iraq was not a threat

Ergo, reasons for war were fictitious.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Baklava -</p>
<p>Call me all the names you want. Insult me to your hearts content. That&#8217;s the best way to win an argument, ain&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>Reasons for War:<br />
WMDs<br />
Iraq a Threat</p>
<p>Outcomes of War<br />
No WMD<br />
Iraq was not a threat</p>
<p>Ergo, reasons for war were fictitious.</p>
<p>What don&#8217;t you get?</p>
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		<title>By: Baklava</title>
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		<dc:creator>Baklava</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jan 2005 23:05:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I won&#039;t go back very far. I&#039;ll point out your accusation just in your last post.... 

untruther/liar wrote &quot;We live in a time where we have a man sending us to war for fictitious reasons.&quot;

There is nothing to ponder about what you write. You aren&#039;t very intelligent or well read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I won&#8217;t go back very far. I&#8217;ll point out your accusation just in your last post&#8230;. </p>
<p>untruther/liar wrote &#8220;We live in a time where we have a man sending us to war for fictitious reasons.&#8221;</p>
<p>There is nothing to ponder about what you write. You aren&#8217;t very intelligent or well read.</p>
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		<title>By: Russell Tupper</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/01/13/thursday/comment-page-2/#comment-18512</link>
		<dc:creator>Russell Tupper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jan 2005 22:59:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Baklava - 

&lt;em&gt;What was your whole point with falsely accusing the president of saying something that he didn&#8217;t say but was consistent with everyone else and what they were saying?&lt;/em&gt; 

Again, where did &lt;strong&gt;I&lt;/strong&gt; accuse Bush of saying anything but whay he actually said?

&lt;em&gt;And Bush didn&#8217;t lie. Stop with the accusations&lt;/em&gt;

I&#039;d stop them if I could find them, please point them out.

&lt;em&gt;We wait with baited breath for a liberal to stop accusing and finally tell us what your moderate/reasonable/prudent solution would be.&lt;/em&gt;

Not having went to Iraq at all woulda been a good start.

I&#039;ll leave you with this to ponder:
&lt;strong&gt;We live in a time where we have a man sending us to war for fictitious reasons.

Whether it&#039;s the fictition of duct tape or fictition of orange alerts we are against this war, Mr. Bush.

Shame on you, Mr. Bush, shame on you.&lt;/strong&gt;
Michael Moore, March 23rd 2003

There were liberals agasint this Iraqi Invasion before there was an Invasion. 

We said don&#039;t go...we TOLD YOU what to do...you all didn&#039;t listen. Now you want us to solve the incredible mess you created? After how many American Soldiers and Iraqi civilias lie dead. 

How vulgar!

There&#039;s a REASON we&#039;re so critical...it&#039;s because we knew it was BS all along. We said in the begining it was going to be a quagmire. Bush I, Schwarzkopf, Scowcroft, Zinni - some real radical liberals themselves - agreed with us.

You drank the kool aid. Not me. 

You wanna blame someone, blame yourselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Baklava &#8211; </p>
<p><em>What was your whole point with falsely accusing the president of saying something that he didn&#8217;t say but was consistent with everyone else and what they were saying?</em> </p>
<p>Again, where did <strong>I</strong> accuse Bush of saying anything but whay he actually said?</p>
<p><em>And Bush didn&#8217;t lie. Stop with the accusations</em></p>
<p>I&#8217;d stop them if I could find them, please point them out.</p>
<p><em>We wait with baited breath for a liberal to stop accusing and finally tell us what your moderate/reasonable/prudent solution would be.</em></p>
<p>Not having went to Iraq at all woulda been a good start.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll leave you with this to ponder:<br />
<strong>We live in a time where we have a man sending us to war for fictitious reasons.</p>
<p>Whether it&#8217;s the fictition of duct tape or fictition of orange alerts we are against this war, Mr. Bush.</p>
<p>Shame on you, Mr. Bush, shame on you.</strong><br />
Michael Moore, March 23rd 2003</p>
<p>There were liberals agasint this Iraqi Invasion before there was an Invasion. </p>
<p>We said don&#8217;t go&#8230;we TOLD YOU what to do&#8230;you all didn&#8217;t listen. Now you want us to solve the incredible mess you created? After how many American Soldiers and Iraqi civilias lie dead. </p>
<p>How vulgar!</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a REASON we&#8217;re so critical&#8230;it&#8217;s because we knew it was BS all along. We said in the begining it was going to be a quagmire. Bush I, Schwarzkopf, Scowcroft, Zinni &#8211; some real radical liberals themselves &#8211; agreed with us.</p>
<p>You drank the kool aid. Not me. </p>
<p>You wanna blame someone, blame yourselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Baklava</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/01/13/thursday/comment-page-2/#comment-18510</link>
		<dc:creator>Baklava</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jan 2005 22:37:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, The solution can&#039;t be that you never would&#039;ve gone into Iraq because we didn&#039;t find out EVERYBODY was OFF THE MARK until we went into Iraq. Only 12 senators voted against the war. Everybody just about was saying the same thing and even before Bush went into office. 

Instead of staying stuck in the past and accusing the President of lying (which is false) for once tell someone what you are for &lt;strong&gt;doing&lt;/strong&gt; once we all found out what we found out after the invasion.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, The solution can&#8217;t be that you never would&#8217;ve gone into Iraq because we didn&#8217;t find out EVERYBODY was OFF THE MARK until we went into Iraq. Only 12 senators voted against the war. Everybody just about was saying the same thing and even before Bush went into office. </p>
<p>Instead of staying stuck in the past and accusing the President of lying (which is false) for once tell someone what you are for <strong>doing</strong> once we all found out what we found out after the invasion&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Baklava</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/01/13/thursday/comment-page-2/#comment-18509</link>
		<dc:creator>Baklava</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jan 2005 22:29:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tell that to ALL who said it not just Bush. It was said by everybody that Iraq posed whatever kind of threat.

Now. What do you Russell think we should do about the fact that everybody was off the mark when talking about Iraq. Knowing what we know now and knowing everybody was off the mark (except for smarmy liberals who think they knew even though Kerry, Clinton and Gore - you know the drill) what do you do?

You&#039;ve already gone into the country, found out that EVERYBODY was off the mark, and found out that Saddam was trying to obtain weapons via the oil-for-food/weapons program, and you found the mass graves and the horrible infrastructure. What do you do Russell come May 2003 (weeks after the invasion) after you found out we were off the mark? Put Saddam back in power? Leave? Leave the infrastructure in shambles. Leave a POWER VACUUM?

What was your whole point with falsely accusing the president of saying something that he didn&#039;t say but was consistent with everyone else and what they were saying? 

What do you finally want to say that we should do now, in May of 2003 or whenever? The world was wrong now and they bow down to Russell. You ACT as if you knew the entire world was wrong (but you pin it on Bush only) and then you never give what you think we should&#039;ve done once the world found out they were OFF THE MARK.

I promise you. I won&#039;t respond to your post. You can once and for all tell us what you would&#039;ve done once we all found out that we were all OFF THE MARK. ALL. Not just Bush. And Bush didn&#039;t lie. Stop with the accusations and tell us all what YOU Russell are for.... &lt;strong&gt;We wait with baited breath for a liberal to stop accusing and finally tell us what your moderate/reasonable/prudent solution would be.&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tell that to ALL who said it not just Bush. It was said by everybody that Iraq posed whatever kind of threat.</p>
<p>Now. What do you Russell think we should do about the fact that everybody was off the mark when talking about Iraq. Knowing what we know now and knowing everybody was off the mark (except for smarmy liberals who think they knew even though Kerry, Clinton and Gore &#8211; you know the drill) what do you do?</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve already gone into the country, found out that EVERYBODY was off the mark, and found out that Saddam was trying to obtain weapons via the oil-for-food/weapons program, and you found the mass graves and the horrible infrastructure. What do you do Russell come May 2003 (weeks after the invasion) after you found out we were off the mark? Put Saddam back in power? Leave? Leave the infrastructure in shambles. Leave a POWER VACUUM?</p>
<p>What was your whole point with falsely accusing the president of saying something that he didn&#8217;t say but was consistent with everyone else and what they were saying? </p>
<p>What do you finally want to say that we should do now, in May of 2003 or whenever? The world was wrong now and they bow down to Russell. You ACT as if you knew the entire world was wrong (but you pin it on Bush only) and then you never give what you think we should&#8217;ve done once the world found out they were OFF THE MARK.</p>
<p>I promise you. I won&#8217;t respond to your post. You can once and for all tell us what you would&#8217;ve done once we all found out that we were all OFF THE MARK. ALL. Not just Bush. And Bush didn&#8217;t lie. Stop with the accusations and tell us all what YOU Russell are for&#8230;. <strong>We wait with baited breath for a liberal to stop accusing and finally tell us what your moderate/reasonable/prudent solution would be.</strong></p>
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		<title>By: Russell Tupper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russell Tupper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jan 2005 22:14:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Baklava- 

Iraq was not an imminent threat. It was not a grave threat. It was not a gathering threat. It was not an urgent threat. It was not a threat to the United States. Period.</description>
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<p>Iraq was not an imminent threat. It was not a grave threat. It was not a gathering threat. It was not an urgent threat. It was not a threat to the United States. Period.</p>
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		<title>By: Russell Tupper</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/01/13/thursday/comment-page-2/#comment-18505</link>
		<dc:creator>Russell Tupper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jan 2005 22:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Your original accusation said Bush said imminent. Bush said grave or gathering.&lt;/em&gt;

Sorry - wrong liberal.  My original arguement was this:

&lt;em&gt;Are you arguing that the president used the terms &#8220;real&quot;, &#8220;grave&#8221; and &#8220;unique urgency&#8221; because he didn&#8217;t think Saddam&#8217;s threat was &#8220;imminent&#8221; or are you arguing that two WH Press Secs, a WH Com Director and the SecDef (who all use the word &#8220;imminent&quot;) don&#8217;t speak for the President of the United States?&lt;/em&gt;

Nowhere did I say Bush said the magic word &quot;imminent&quot;. Stop reading off your talking points and actually look at my arguments.

I never brought up Kennedy, or Kerry or Clinton. You did. I nevrr brought up what &quot;other liberals&quot; say. You did. I never said Bush said the word. You said I did.

My argument is simple. Bush&#039;s actions, his words and the words of the SPOKESMEN of his administration prove conclusivly that they either thought themselves, or wanted the American people to think, that the threat from Iraq to the United States was &quot;imminent&quot;, &quot;immediate&quot;, &quot;urgent&quot; &quot;around the corner&quot; - whatever.

And now the facts show that this was not the case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Your original accusation said Bush said imminent. Bush said grave or gathering.</em></p>
<p>Sorry &#8211; wrong liberal.  My original arguement was this:</p>
<p><em>Are you arguing that the president used the terms &#8220;real&#8221;, &#8220;grave&#8221; and &#8220;unique urgency&#8221; because he didn&#8217;t think Saddam&#8217;s threat was &#8220;imminent&#8221; or are you arguing that two WH Press Secs, a WH Com Director and the SecDef (who all use the word &#8220;imminent&#8221;) don&#8217;t speak for the President of the United States?</em></p>
<p>Nowhere did I say Bush said the magic word &#8220;imminent&#8221;. Stop reading off your talking points and actually look at my arguments.</p>
<p>I never brought up Kennedy, or Kerry or Clinton. You did. I nevrr brought up what &#8220;other liberals&#8221; say. You did. I never said Bush said the word. You said I did.</p>
<p>My argument is simple. Bush&#8217;s actions, his words and the words of the SPOKESMEN of his administration prove conclusivly that they either thought themselves, or wanted the American people to think, that the threat from Iraq to the United States was &#8220;imminent&#8221;, &#8220;immediate&#8221;, &#8220;urgent&#8221; &#8220;around the corner&#8221; &#8211; whatever.</p>
<p>And now the facts show that this was not the case.</p>
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		<title>By: Baklava</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/01/13/thursday/comment-page-2/#comment-18504</link>
		<dc:creator>Baklava</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jan 2005 22:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are unaware that I set the record straight from your accusation. Job Complete.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are unaware that I set the record straight from your accusation. Job Complete.</p>
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