Comments on: Who Is Camille J. Gage?

By: TheCO

TheCO — Wed, 02 Feb 2005 05:17:25 +0000

heyla,

Stumbled upon your blog over at http://www.theblackrepublican.net/ , i’ll be back. Are you planning anything for Black History Month?

The Casual Observer

By: pat m.

pat m. — Wed, 02 Feb 2005 05:10:19 +0000

Andy,

While I agree that PL has left us hanging, I still think its fairly clear that Hinderaker did not fact-check the article he posted about – thus supporting what I viewed as one of Gage’s primary points, i.e., Hinderaker’s hypocrisy in constantly berating the dreaded MSM for poor fact-checking when his own efforts leave much to be desired.

I would concede, however, that if, in fact, the FAIR allegations Hinderaker blogged about are part of a federal investigation, it makes Gage’s claim look quite bad. If, however, it turns out that Hinderaker’s reference to a “federal investigation” was actually to an investigation into voter fraud allegations other than the FAIR allegations, I think it would pretty clearly indicate that Hinderaker was intentionally trying to mislead. I guess we’ll have to just wait and see.

By: Pat Curley

Pat Curley — Wed, 02 Feb 2005 03:57:53 +0000

Tried the trackback thing, La Shawn, but it gave me a nasty error message. I found a Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel article on the voter fraud case in Racine from only a week ago.

By: Andy

Andy — Wed, 02 Feb 2005 01:26:51 +0000

Pat M, I see your point, and also checked out John’s blog, but far from being a slamdunk, you have to admit PL left us with a cliffhanger, a teaser of things to come if you will.

As I commented at blogenlust, where there’s smoke, there’s fire. So let’s wait & see what PL cames back with in their next installment.

By: Real Politics

Real Politics — Wed, 02 Feb 2005 01:17:09 +0000

Voter Fraud in Wisconsin Did Take Place
Some commenters on several weblogs I’ve visited in the past few hours seem to deny that voter fraud in Wisconsin existed.

By: Renee

Renee — Wed, 02 Feb 2005 00:37:29 +0000

I love how she starts off…

“As a graduate student in public affairs at the University of Minnesota”

Yawn. So what does that have to do with anything? I’m sure Dan Rather is a graduate student of something also So what’s her point?

By: blogenlust

blogenlust — Tue, 01 Feb 2005 23:03:05 +0000

All You Have To Do Is Ask
In an editorial in yesterday’s StarTribune, Camille Gage sounds a note of caution over using blogs as a primary source of news. This caution resulted from a recent run-in with John Hinderaker, of the popular conservative blog Powerline. From the edito…

By: John

John — Tue, 01 Feb 2005 22:58:19 +0000

LaShawn: Sorry, I don’t often use trackback:)

By: pat m

pat m — Tue, 01 Feb 2005 22:47:18 +0000

I wouldn’t be so quick to come to the defense of poor persecuted Powerline (i.e., Time Magazine’s Blog of the Year ) on this one.
Notice how Hinderaker never denies Ms. Gages’ allegation that he never fact-checked the story about alleged voter fraud in Racine that he posted about on Oct.27. http://powerlineblog.com/archives/008330.php#008330
Instead, he tries a double bait-and-switch.
First, he states that a response is being prepared which will primarily focus on the Strib’s failure to fact-check Ms. Gage’s column, thereby neatly sidestepping the issue of whether he fact-checked his Oct. 27 post.
Second, he states that “Ms. Gage, if thatâ€™s really her name, has no knowledge about the voter fraud scandal which has now resulted in a federal criminal investigation.” While I am aware that there is a federal investigation of alleged voter fraud in Milwaukee, I have googled and googled and googled but have found nothing indicating the existence of any federal criminal investigation of the “voter fraud scandal” specifically referred to by Hinderaker in his Oct. 27 post (i.e., that 2 people posing as illegal immigrants as part of a “sting” operation by an immigration reform group named FAIR were permitted to register to vote) . I did, however, find a Nov. 4 story on FAIR’s site complaining that Milwaukee’s District Attorney was not pursuing any prosecution’s based on FAIR’s “sting” operation and had in fact warned private groups from “to keep out of investigating [alleged voter fraud] on their own. [http://www.fairus.org/Research/Research.cfm?ID=2580&c=54] Further, none of the stories I read about the Milwaukee federal probe give any indication that it includes the alleged fraud claimed by FAIR. Thus, it appears to me that Hinderaker is trying to mislead his readers into believing that the feds are looking into FAIR’s claims of voter fraud which he unquestioningly passed on, when there is no indication that these claims are part of that investigation.
From what I can see, it seems clear that, just as Ms. Gage says, Hinderaker did not fact-check the story upon which he based his Oct. 27 post (Parenthetically, I would note that the “news story” linked in Hinderaker’s Oct. 27 post came from reporter –”Chad Groening” — and news source –Agapepress.com “Reliable news from a Christian Source” — which cursory checking would have demonstrated were, charitably put, somewhat less than unbiased.
I will concede that from what I looked at, I can’t say with all certainty that FAIR’s allegations as to what happened in Racine had “no factual basis” as Ms. Gage claims, although she claims in her column that she, unlike Hinderaker or me, actually called people to check out the claims. I can say, however, that Hinderaker’s claim that Gage “defamed,” “slandered” or “libelled” him is riduculous, that his calling Gage a “miscreant” was classless and unwarranted, that his response to this whole issue seems very misleading, and that it seems to me that Ms. Gage was correct in accusing Hinderaker of hypocrisy.

By: SCSIwuzzy

SCSIwuzzy — Tue, 01 Feb 2005 22:38:40 +0000

John, how so? Gage said in her op piece that there was no factual basis for Hinderaker’s post in October. She said she made a few calls. No mention of to whom, or what was said. Just that she made some calls. Hinderaker, on the other hand, named his source (Tully).
Which of these two allows you to evaluate things on your own, and which one is ‘ipse dixit’?
Have you read Gage’s whole piece, or the relev. posts on Powerline, in relation to Racine and the ongoing vendetta the ‘Stribs editorial crew have against Hindrocket and company?

By: La Shawn

La Shawn — Tue, 01 Feb 2005 22:33:21 +0000

John – Why don’t you just trackback?

Sorry, linkers, but you’re messing up my format.

By: John

John — Tue, 01 Feb 2005 22:28:21 +0000

Click on John’s name for post. – Admin

By: John

John — Tue, 01 Feb 2005 22:10:31 +0000

Lot of hot air here, folks.

You might find this interesting.

I think it’s Hinderaker that has some explaining to do.

By: Andy

Andy — Tue, 01 Feb 2005 21:34:49 +0000

PL Factcheck at work:

SC did not have ONE factcheck that withstood the truth test. Score PL 1, SC 0, and if there’s libel involved, $$ in the hole for her/Strib. As PL said, stay tuned

By: SCSIwuzzy

SCSIwuzzy — Tue, 01 Feb 2005 20:58:28 +0000

Ratso,
I blogged that (Churchill) this morning, only to find that Charles at LGF had beat me to the punch. Damn him being on the left coast
Anyway, like Rather, he’s just leaving his plum post in the public eye, but will still be hanging about.