Comments on: Local Idiot Accused of Plotting To Kill President

By: Andy

Andy — Tue, 01 Mar 2005 20:19:03 +0000

Ok, then how do you know you’re not jacked into the Matrix?

Ummm, what was that line Jesus gave about having ears but hear not, having eyes, but see not, having brians, but about as wise as a slug?

By: actus

actus — Tue, 01 Mar 2005 18:23:55 +0000

“Actus, quit while you’re ahead. You’re no Clinton
when it comes to parsing “is”. ”

it really isn’t that much parsing. you really going to tell me that ‘faith’ in god is equal to the ‘faith’ that i have that a certain treatment is better than another due to empirical evidence? or due to my study of economics? please.

By: Andy

Andy — Tue, 01 Mar 2005 05:44:23 +0000

Actus, quit while you’re ahead. You’re no Clinton when it comes to parsing “is”.

You said; “They run on a belief, but I donâ€™t think that belief is formed by faith”

Mr. Webster would beg to differ, I refer you back to example #1 in his dictionary. In fact, I thot of #s 1, 4, 6 & 7 specifically with you in mind.

PS. You ain’t no Webster either.

By: actus

actus — Mon, 28 Feb 2005 01:17:29 +0000

“However, there is no guarantees that the government won’t change the rules at some point in the future.”

none other than the fact that retired people vote a lot, and vote for social security, and thus we can expect them to elect politicians who will protect their interests. This isn’t taken on ‘faith’ however.

“However, there is no guarantees that the government won’t change the rules at some point in the future. Given the demographics, most people, particularly younger people, have no faith that SS will live up to its promises. Hence the growing consensus for reform.”

Most people are aware that there are demographic shocks coming. And that is why the most popular “reform” is to shore up SS by removing the income cap on SS contributions: A flat tax to fund social security.

Whats the expectation of SS? none other than current workers taking care of current retirees with some of hte changes made by reagan to help accomodate the demographic shock of the boomers retiring.

“All programs are run on some type of faith that an expect result will be returned. ”

They run on a belief, but I don’t think that belief is formed by faith. I think its formed by other things, such as logic, empiricism, and probality models and forecasts.

By: Andy

Andy — Mon, 28 Feb 2005 00:50:16 +0000

What are we expending in expectation of with regards to SS? SS is the faith (smoke & mirrors say some) that we will at least get back what we put in, if not more. However, there is no guarantees that the government won’t change the rules at some point in the future. Given the demographics, most people, particularly younger people, have no faith that SS will live up to its promises. Hence the growing consensus for reform. The underlying premise of SS was flawed and now we see that the promoters were irrationally exuberant, back when the ratio of workers to retirees was 42:1. Now that it is 3:1, there is no way a pay as you go system can work.

You can apply this to any number of examples. What are we expending in expectation of with regards to Name Your Program?

All programs are run on some type of faith that an expect result will be returned. It is where the underlying principle is flawed that we object to, such as AA and so on.

By: actus

actus — Mon, 28 Feb 2005 00:25:22 +0000

“Why don’t you go find out, and report back.”

Doesn’t sound like it. I don’t think we’re asked to, as you say, expend efforts and resources in expectation of certain results due to faith.

Its due to a belief, an expectation, but I don’t think that belief is formed ‘solely on the authority or veracity of the other’.

By: Andy

Andy — Sun, 27 Feb 2005 23:02:25 +0000

Why don’t you go find out, and report back.

Here’s a starting point:
“Webster’s Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913)”
Faith \Faith\, n. [OE. feith, fayth, fay, OF. feid, feit, fei,
F. foi, fr. L. fides; akin to fidere to trust, Gr. ??????? to
persuade. The ending th is perhaps due to the influence of
such words as truth, health, wealth. See Bid, Bide, and
cf. Confide, Defy, Fealty.]

1. Belief; the assent of the mind to the truth of what is
declared by another, resting solely and implicitly on his
authority and veracity; reliance on testimony.

2. The assent of the mind to the statement or proposition of
another, on the ground of the manifest truth of what he
utters; firm and earnest belief, on probable evidence of
any kind, especially in regard to important moral truth.

Faith, that is, fidelity, — the fealty of the
finite will and understanding to the reason.
–Coleridge.

3. (Theol.)
(a) The belief in the historic truthfulness of the
Scripture narrative, and the supernatural origin of
its teachings, sometimes called historical and
speculative faith.
(b) The belief in the facts and truth of the Scriptures,
with a practical love of them; especially, that
confiding and affectionate belief in the person and
work of Christ, which affects the character and life,
and makes a man a true Christian, — called a
practical, evangelical, or saving faith.

Without faith it is impossible to please him
[God]. –Heb. xi. 6.

The faith of the gospel is that emotion of the
mind which is called “trust” or “confidence”
exercised toward the moral character of God, and
particularly of the Savior. –Dr. T.
Dwight.

Faith is an affectionate, practical confidence
in the testimony of God. –J. Hawes.

4. That which is believed on any subject, whether in science,
politics, or religion; especially (Theol.), a system of
religious belief of any kind; as, the Jewish or Mohammedan
faith; and especially, the system of truth taught by
Christ; as, the Christian faith; also, the creed or belief
of a Christian society or church.

Which to believe of her, Must be a faith that reason
without miracle Could never plant in me. –Shak.

Now preacheth the faith which once he destroyed.
–Gal. i. 23.

5. Fidelity to one’s promises, or allegiance to duty, or to a
person honored and beloved; loyalty.

Children in whom is no faith. –Deut. xxvii.
20.

Whose failing, while her faith to me remains, I
should conceal. –Milton.

6. Word or honor pledged; promise given; fidelity; as, he
violated his faith.

For you alone I broke me faith with injured Palamon.
–Dryden.

7. Credibility or truth. [R.] [Or as moonbats like to say
reality-based]

The faith of the foregoing narrative. –Mitford.

By: actus

actus — Sun, 27 Feb 2005 22:48:46 +0000

“Secularism is faith in man and a government, not in a higher being that transcends earthly wisdom.”

Is it really faith?

By: Andy

Andy — Sun, 27 Feb 2005 22:41:13 +0000

Secularism is faith in man and a government, not in a higher being that transcends earthly wisdom. That’s the hog slop being fed by socialists. Why settle for leftovers when there’s better fare to be had.

By: actus

actus — Sun, 27 Feb 2005 19:36:30 +0000

“Secularism is also faith based, as well as any other belief system. In that regard, all schools are faith-based.”

So all this talk about “faith based” initiatives and the benefits of “faith” is hogwash? ok.

By: Andy

Andy — Fri, 25 Feb 2005 22:45:36 +0000

Actus said: “A faith based program?”

And your point was?

Secularism is also faith based, as well as any other belief system. In that regard, all schools are faith-based. Effort and resources (economics 101 again) are expended in the faith that the execution of whatever system is deployed will produce intended results.

Terror High was designed to support terrorism and seems to be succeeding rather well.

OTOH, contrary to your liberal delusions, it was conservatives that established the notion that everyone should be educated. The founding of the 1st public school can be traced byac to:
1647 The General Court of the Massachusetts Bay Colony decrees that every town of fifty families should have an elementary school and that every town of 100 families should have a Latin school. The goal is to ensure that Puritan children learn to read the Bible and receive basic information about their Calvinist religion.”
Source: http://www.arc.org/erase/j_timeline.html
(Caution, history revisionist alert, this website is so heavily biased, they should drop “History” from the title)

Public schools have always had a “religious” element in education bidness until hundreds of years later when socialist liberals hi-jack the system and systematically expels God from the classroom in support of their “God is dead” belief system to bring it more in line with the Soviet model.

By: DarkStar

DarkStar — Fri, 25 Feb 2005 05:29:10 +0000

“Innocent until proven guilty”

The U.S. gov’t has had a couple of cases were those initially charged had cases drastically cut back or dropped. But the U.S. has had some successes as well.

It’s best to go with “innocent until proven guilty” before anyone starts crowing.

It’s a well known fact that those who are tortured, if done long enough, will admit to anything to end the torture.

By: pajamazon

pajamazon — Wed, 23 Feb 2005 14:11:14 +0000

On the question of “Should people ever be tortured?” Big YES! When our enemies use video-taped beheadings and homicide bombers against us, we shall let him know that we are capable of worse! These animals and criminals respect the threat of torture! They laugh at the weenies among us who want us to apply “Standards” in a fight to the death. Use a band-saw to cross-section the “detainees” in front of their terrorist brethren!
Then ask away…………..

By: actus

actus — Wed, 23 Feb 2005 13:14:08 +0000

“Anyone wanna guess what kind of school he was valedictorian of?”

A faith based program?

By: Ray Phelps

Ray Phelps — Wed, 23 Feb 2005 13:02:52 +0000

An interesting ‘insignificant’ peice of info that hasn’t been mentioned by the press is what kind of school he was valedictorian of. I wouldn’t have known except John Gibson spilled the beans on FOX news yesterday. Anyone wanna guess what kind of school he was valedictorian of?