That goes for Bush Sr way back when Yugoslavia started falling apart in the summer/fall of ’91. Instead of demanding that the purging stop with the full force of our military, unilaterally if need be, he was busy trying to put humpty together again.

Would the MSM and liberal community be anywhere near as critical if the decision had been made by President Clinton in reaction to a 9/11 attack in 1999 instead? I doubt.

Didn’t the Republicans and the conservative community criticize President Clinton’s war decisions and didn’t those criticisms look unpatriotic at the time, when our country and it’s troops needed moral support at home?

Has America become so divided along a liberal- conservative demarcation line that our willingness to support our country during war becomes dependent on the politics of the President who made the decision, i.e., was he ‘our’ President or ‘theirs’?

Have we gotten to the point where positive events during a war are not viewed as positive for our country if it will make an opposition President/Party look good politically? Events to be played down, turned around by ‘buts’, or not reported at all by the opposition.

Likewise, negative war events that would make our country look bad and help enemy moral and resistance, are viewed as positive by the opposition if it will make an opposition President/Party look bad. Events played up, turned into major events, and highly reported and investigated.

“A Nation divided against itself….”? Something to think about.

Good morning. I just had to post after seeing the scene from “A Few Good Men.” This is the essence of what we are fighting for around the world. The events in Iraq clearly illustrate who is for or against that which is American. Our actions in prosecuting this war on terror “while grotesque, probably saves lives.”

It seems that it is vogue for the Left to rail against anything pro America or pro Bush. I think a number of CNN watchers and American desenters should pull that movie out and watch it several times for a few answers to what is wrong with this nation.

Semantics aside, as I recall it, in the flick, IIRC it was a beating gone bad. Having a blanket party used to be de riguer for maintaining unit discipline. In this case, the guy died from complications as a result of the beatings. Where Jessup failed as a leader was in the coverup, but this can be attributed to the egalitarian PC notion that everyone has something valuable to “say” even if they’re a greenhorn idiot.

On this score, I have mixed feelings because at heart I’m a wuss and was glad that they banned hitting recruits barely a year before I got in. And I would hate the thot of having my NCO punching my lights out for something idiotic that I was wont to do Altho, blanket parties continued to happen during my time, but given the annonymous nature of the event, it was hard for the beatee to press charges.

OTOH, I have witnessed some that truly deserved to get some common sense beaten into them. Moreso when I assumed responsibility for others, there were times I really wanted to punch someone and be done with it (hit and forget). But since rules are rules, all I can do is write them up, which more often than not then goes into their permanent record.

For a career type, given a choice, I believe most would rather take the licking than have something negative in their record. But that’s the way it is these days.

Does everyone who watches that movie forget that the heroes were questioning the bad guy in the name of a dead marine? one of those men “provide us with the blanket of freedom”? One who no longer has the choice to shut up in front someone wrapped up in the flag?

Read this again:

“…it seems appropriate to post my second favorite movie scene of all time. (Kevin Costner’s closing monologue in “JFK” is my favorite.)”

Quite simple really, the American People are sick and tired of hearing night after night, by some schlepp from canada, constantly tell them how bad a country the United States is.

When Fox came along it was a breath of fresh air, somebody was finally telling the WHOLE truth about what was really going on. Not half-truthes or even forged documents claiming them to be true. I predict CNN and the rest of the Alphabet networks will continue to nosedive in the ratings department until someone whose is not a “”"Journalist”"”" figures it out.

They used to be reporters, ah the good ole days.

Mark

You are so right about CNN in meltdown during election night. I was so nauseated by Aaron Brown by the end of the evening, that I refused to watch anymore. I was on vacation, the cable system there didn’t carry Fox, and I protested to the management.

Then in January, I fired off a protest email to CNN during the inauguration ceremony — They were the only network to cut-away during the singing of “God Bless America”, introducing panel discussion of future partisan agenda for the next four years. Every other network carried the soloist, uninterrupted. Just another case of their planned censorship — they obviously had this all set up ahead of time, after reviewing the program sequence. And then to introduce partisan discussion, rather than a celebration of our constitution operating during difficult. I was incensed. It was pure censorship of a public ceremony.

Book 6, Chapter 11
What is called judgement, in virtue of which men are said to ‘be sympathetic judges’ and to ‘have judgement’, is the right discrimination of the equitable. This is shown by the fact that we say the equitable man is above all others a man of sympathetic judgement, and identify equity with sympathetic judgement about certain facts. And sympathetic judgement is judgement which discriminates what is equitable and does so correctly; and correct judgement is that which judges what is true.

Now all the states we have considered converge, as might be expected, to the same point; for when we speak of judgement and understanding and practical wisdom and intuitive reason we credit the same people with possessing judgement and having reached years of reason and with having practical wisdom and understanding. For all these faculties deal with ultimates, i.e. with particulars; and being a man of understanding and of good or sympathetic judgement consists in being able judge about the things with which practical wisdom is concerned; for the equities are common to all good men in relation to other men. Now all things which have to be done are included among particulars or ultimates; for not only must the man of practical wisdom know particular facts, but understanding and judgement are also concerned with things to be done, and these are ultimates. And intuitive reason is concerned with the ultimates in both directions; for both the first terms and the last are objects of intuitive reason and not of argument, and the intuitive reason which is presupposed by demonstrations grasps the unchangeable and first terms, while the intuitive reason involved in practical reasonings grasps the last and variable fact, i.e. the minor premiss. For these variable facts are the starting-points for the apprehension of the end, since the universals are reached from the particulars; of these therefore we must have perception, and this perception is intuitive reason.

This is why these states are thought to be natural endowments — why, while no one is thought to be a philosopher by nature, people are thought to have by nature judgement, understanding, and intuitive reason. This is shown by the fact that we think our powers correspond to our time of life, and that a particular age brings with it intuitive reason and judgement; this implies that nature is the cause. (Hence intuitive reason is both beginning and end; for demonstrations are from these and about these.) Therefore we ought to attend to the undemonstrated sayings and opinions of experienced and older people or of people of practical wisdom not less than to demonstrations; for because experience has given them an eye they see aright.

We have stated, then, what practical and philosophic wisdom are, and with what each of them is concerned, and we have said that each is the virtue of a different part of the soul.

Aristotle – The Nicomachean Ethics

My intuitive reason and judgement brought me to use the word Killed. My reasoning was which was worse, the death of one man or 50,000!!!

I sat next to three men at a club that I beong to called the Eintracht Singing Society which is a German Mennechor club. These two men of the baby boom generation was discussing the morality and misdeeds of droppint the bomb on Hiroshima. When then man who was sitting right next to me who at one time was my health teacher in Junior High school got up and told the moral philosopher to go and shove it because they had no clue what it was like to be sitting on your helmut on the black sands wishing that it was you that was dead instead of your 6 buddies. This man is a man’s man and has always been stern and together but in that one moment he pointed at them with a tears in his eyes and said you two stupid bastards were not there at Iwo and I was a dead man if we attack Japan!!! I never knew in my life that Ralph Pue was a Marine in World War II and also never knew he was at Iwo either. We remembered that invasion last month 60 yeas ago and people like Mr Pugh have taught me that it was him that made me free and not the media!!! Wrap him in a flag because I support the military because I don’t mistrust it because it was the Continental Army that one my American Revolution. Sounds like a few Americans have a problem actually trusting our military. It was politicians that lost Vietnam!!!!!!!