Comments on: Black Conservatives and Black Liberals: What’s the Difference?

By: Jim R

Jim R — Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:31:04 +0000

I was referring to Stan’s whole comment, not just this excerpt from it.

By: Jim R

Jim R — Mon, 14 Mar 2005 14:26:48 +0000

“……Both Democrats and Republicans have their “welfare clients.” One group prefers giving to benefit the poor, the other prefers to give to corporations. Both have established these groups as bases and often have less than untarnished reasons for doing so…………”

Awesome comment Stan.

By: Jack Lewis

Jack Lewis — Thu, 10 Mar 2005 17:36:30 +0000

Renee and Baklava,
Perhaps I did overstate it a bit. I was trying to emphasize that the solution to one’s problems begins with yourself. In fact, really successful people have no problems — only opportunities.

By: Isaac SchrÃ¶dinger

Isaac SchrÃ¶dinger — Thu, 10 Mar 2005 05:27:37 +0000

Not Afraid
La Shawn Barber:Whenever unpleasant facts are presented, whether the subject is blacks, Hispanics, homosexuals, criminals (including illegal aliens), etc., the

By: Hidden Nook

Hidden Nook — Thu, 10 Mar 2005 04:57:08 +0000

Black Conservatives
As an African American I concur. Unfortunately this type of mindset is popular amongst my peers, or rather former peers. Growing up in the liberal northeast I found myself not only isolated on political issues with my friends but also within my “peo…

By: Rafael Daniel

Rafael Daniel — Thu, 10 Mar 2005 04:52:31 +0000

W. E. B. Du Bois is one of my heroes. However, his particular brand of conservatism was more a product of the times he lived and observed things in. I believe he would still be a socialist were he alive today. I also believe he would take a buggy whip to today’s version of the Talented Tenth. He was a man of vision and hope and I doubt he would approve of hypocrites like Thomas Sowell and Clarence Thomas. He CERTAINLY saw the need for affirmative action before it even had a name. David Levering Lewis wrote an excellent two part biography on Du Bois (the first installment won the Pulitzer Prize), I recommend it heartily.

By: Hidden Nook

Hidden Nook — Thu, 10 Mar 2005 04:15:07 +0000

Ahh! It is good to see another black conservative out there! I was feeling lonely out in the blogosphere…or rather reality in iteself.

It seems that many African Americans prefer the “victim” mindset where they are screaming about past wrongs when instead they should be focused on accomplishing “future rights” as in making a better society/community/culture for the next generation. It seems everytime I talk to my “kin folk” (whether blood related or not) their seems to be a massive condemning of anything related to Republicans or Bush. Unfortunately many just pure “hate” the opposition and until that is addressed, no amount of evidence will convince them otherwise. Selah.

By: MichPundit

MichPundit — Thu, 10 Mar 2005 03:18:22 +0000

Black Liberal and Black Conservatives
La Shawn Barber writes an excellent piece on black conservatives and black liberals.

By: DarkStar

DarkStar — Thu, 10 Mar 2005 02:37:05 +0000

The thread is open for those who want to have at me.

http://www.visioncircle.org/archive/003556.html

By: Vision Circle

Vision Circle — Thu, 10 Mar 2005 01:48:21 +0000

Labeling: Intellectually Lazy Thinking
Based on a “converssation” I’ve gotten myself into on LaShawn’s blog, I’ve noticed a continuing trend that I find fascinating.

By: DarkStar

DarkStar — Thu, 10 Mar 2005 01:39:19 +0000

Noah, what’s my point of view that defines me as a liberal?

If you want, I’ll open up a thread on Vision Circle.

Again, I strongly suspect the only reason I’m labeled a liberal is because I don’t drink the Republican kool-aid.

Oh, and I have this knack of showing that everybody’s diapers are loaded.

By: stan

stan — Thu, 10 Mar 2005 01:29:26 +0000

I don’t think that the use of the terms “liberal” and “conservative” is useful any more. If you look in the dictionary, liberal means “generous” and conservative means “one who wants to preserve the status quo.” In the years before the Civil Rights movement was this word “conservative” descriptive of blacks? Were Booker T. Washington and George Washington Carver wanting to preserve the status quo of Jim Crow? Was obsequiousness synonomous with conservativism? Were those like the NAACP and others “liberals” because they fought for the full extension of the rights of the Constitution to people of color? How does this lack of definition of terms help anyone? As noted before, Dubois and Washington both respected “law and order”. Is that a liberal or conservative point of view? If we are human at all, all of us are a blend of conservative and liberal in the grandest and most accurate definitions of those terms. All of us want to help the weak, those who are unable to adequately provide for themselves. We differ on who, when, how much and for how long. Both Democrats and Republicans have their “welfare clients”. One group prefers giving to benefit the poor, the other prefers to give to corporations. Both have established these groups as bases and often have less than untarnished reasons for doing so. But accusing “liberal Democrats” of being against law and order and “conservative Republicans” of being devoid of compassion generalizes the issue and slanders a lot of good people on both sides. Isn’t there a way to discuss these issues without taking up sides or labels? There are a lot of good people in the middle who would like to think these issues without all the rhetoric from both sides. There is both room for conserving the status quo AND moving forward progressively. It takes collective wisdom to discern when, where and how.

By: noah

noah — Thu, 10 Mar 2005 00:03:33 +0000

Clegg’s inclusion of Malcolm X in his list of black conservatives or expressed conservative ideals is the only “suspect” in this piece.

From droping by La Shawn’s corner on a regular basis, I can vouch from my viewpoint of DarkStar’s comments that this person is, in my book, a liberal. Not even a moderate conservative. Especially when put up to the light of La Shawn and many of the friends here. But at least DarkStar is not a troll like Magnum Serpentine.

By: Mark La Roi

Mark La Roi — Wed, 09 Mar 2005 23:38:49 +0000

I am a VERY conservative Christian when it comes to His word and the need to follow it and have a personal relationship with Christ for salvation. Yet I:

5. am very much in favor of open dialog because when done among knowledgeable, thinking people, Christian idealogy wins every time. Free speech is great!

4. do not believe that either the government OR the Church should just spend more money in an attempt to solve social ills. It hasn’t worked up to now so it doesn’t make sense to think that for some reason it suddenly will.

3. food Stamps are great when used WHILE helping the person/family to get to the point where they don’t need them any more. Otherwise it creates a mindset of dependance. Which it has. I also believe that helping socially minded corporations will trickle down.

2. care about people more than most liberals I know. They SEEM to think that with a full belly and a roof overhead, all life’s problems are solved. I know that the biggest issue of life is where you will spend eternity, BUT that food and shelter DO also matter.

1. am very tolerant of other points of view and walks of life. People are looking for love, acceptance, a way to make a living, a way to express their faith, and all the other things that every person looks for. I MUST tolerate these things for an opportunity to show them the best thing. Tolerance means putting up with that which you disagree with. Liberals APPEAR to be the most intolerant group in existence because as a Christian they seek to keep me from expressing my faith anywhere, from speaking what I believe, and if I do I am shouted at and called names. That is quite intolerant.

Yet, if we are not free to share ideas with each other, how will any ever come to agreement about anything?

By: La Shawn

La Shawn — Wed, 09 Mar 2005 23:32:37 +0000

Well, “Magnum,” you just spoke your mind on a conservative blog, and your comment is still here. I suspect you are exaggerating for effect. I also assume you are an adult and know the difference between disagreement and personal insults or attacks. I consider such comments “delete-able.” My blog, my rules.

So contrary your claim that conservatve bloggers banish people for merely speaking their minds, you’re still here. Despite speaking your mind on a conservative blog.

Now you can die a happy man/woman.