Despite a stunning display of incompetence just a day ago, law enforcement officers in Atlanta finally caught murdering rapist thug Brian Nichols. Although he had a history of hiding weapons on his person, the 6′4′ (different sources report different heights), dangerous criminal was being guarded (facing rape charges) by one deputy, a woman five feet tall. He overpowered and shot her, killed the judge, a court reporter and another police officer.
On the loose for 26 hours with two guns, Nichols also killed a U.S. Customs agent before he was caught today not trying to leave the area, but hiding out at a friend’s place. Nichols was in the apartment of a woman he was holding hostage. In addition to being a thug, he’s also stunningly stupid. So he kills three four people to avoid rape charges?
The news wires are so sluggish, they’re still reporting that Nichols continues to elude the cops. (Update: The story has been updated.)
Every time the cable news drones referred to him as Mr. Brian Nichols, I thought I’d lose my breakfast.
Georgia native Michael King is all over this. The Backcountry Conservative is live-blogging. Also see Outside the Beltway.
Update II: On Thursday, slain judge Rowland W. Barnes told attorneys that Brian Nichols could be dangerous if convicted. Don’t laugh.
Nichols was dangerous before he set foot in the courtroom (tied up an ex-girlfriend and apparently raped and sodomized her for three days) and after he set foot in the courtroom (a deputy found two weapons on him Wednesday).
Barnes is the same judge who offered a baby-killing mother 5 years probation if she consented to sterilization. Exactly how this prevents her from killing other people’s children is a mystery.
Update III: Trey Jackson has compiled police radio transmissions and video. Check it out.
Update IV (3/13): Michelle Malkin calls our attention to something about the photo of a handcuffed Brian Nichols being taken in that I hadn’t noticed before. He’s being escorted by another small female cop, although he was on the loose in the first place because be overpowered a small female cop!
I hope this case stirs up a blog swarm over the idiocy of allowing women, big or small, even if they have guns, to watch over big, strong, dangerous, raping and murdering thugs. Is it irony or stupidity?
This wretched political correctness poses a danger to us all. Also see View from the Right.
Totally Unrelated Update: A reporter from The State (in South Carolina) interviewed me last week about blacks and social security reform:
But conservative supporters of private accounts are undeterred.“If the media would accurately report on President Bush’s plan, I think many more people would be receptive to reform,” says La Shawn Barber, a freelance writer and black political conservative who graduated from S.C. State…
“Media blame aside, I think blacks are distrustful of any Republican plan coming down the pike,” said S.C. State graduate Barber, who operates a Web site where she offers her political views.
Republicans generally have fared poorly among black voters over the last 40 years. But Bush got double-digit support from African-Americans in winning re-election last year.
Barber said personal accounts would be good for blacks.
“There is also a growing wealth gap between the races,” she said. “Blacks invest less than whites, for whatever reason, and therefore are less likely to build wealth. Paying high Social Security taxes exacerbates the problem. Private accounts would alleviate the problem.”
Like many newspapers, they don’t include hyperlinks to web sites in stories. In fact, the reporter said he couldn’t even include the URL. That’s OK. I suppose.
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I was watching the news conference yesterday on the Clinton News, I mean CNN. I was baffled by what I heard. Not that women aren’t capable of handling prisoners, but they didn’t use common sense in this case. I am glad they caught him. HE should be glad they didn’t kill him, because cops don’t like it when one of their own is murdered. I would be surprised if dude doesn’t die in prison.
congratulations after you posted the Nichols
capture Fox News was still reporting that Nichols
was POSSIBLY in custody possibly surrounded.
I’m gonna e-mail Fox, tell them to check with LBC
for breaking news in the future.
Jim
I love women, but women should not guard men prisoners, nor should men guard women prisoners.
This man should have been in a shock belt, but some (expletive deleted) judge decided that shock belts were cruel. We pay a high price for official stupidity.
LaShawn,
In Fulton County Georgia prisoners are made to dress in street clothes (suits for men) so as to not unduly bias the jury. His actions after the killings, in switching cars, seems that he is intelligent. This is why we need judges such as Janice Rogers Brown! She would allow belt around prisoners. Making violent offenders go to court in handcuffs and shackles would be prejudicial.
JMB
I believe the Supreme ruled on the Dress code, that a prisoner dressed in Orange would unduly influence a jury.
My question is when they bring him to the Court-house they have a room where the defendant changes to street clothes before going into the courtroom, to comply with the ‘ruling’, Why was a female deputy in the same room with him. this is a violation.
However, the day before he was caught with two pieces of metal, in his shoes, that were sharpened and could have been used as a weapon, and they looked right past that.
The locals blew this one, too bad it had to turned out as badly as it did, in order for the rules to be changed.
Waiting for the race peddlers to come out of the wood work. Or have they started?
Haven’t they ever heard of handcuffs.
They found hand made weapons on him the day before! Exactly what does a prisoner have to do to cause alarm and mandate close watching?
I feel sorry for the deputy. She’s probably escorted hundreds of people who could have done the same thing with no problems. If you can’t have shock belts why not arm the deputy walking the defendant with a stun gun instead of a pistol?Once you’re in a struggle and aren’t allowed or won’t or are unable to pull the gun and shoot it, it is a terrible liability.
La Shawn,
I like the way you put it as “stunningly stupid”. It’s all a part of the “chaos” we now live in.
Let’s see now……
1. Nichols was on trial for a violent crime, raping and imprisoning a woman.
2. He was also facing charges for sodomy, having a fully-automatic weapon, possessing a big load of marijuana, and having a handgun illegally.
3. The day before his murder spree, Nichols was caught with a shank (home-made knife) in his shoe.
4. Taking all this into account, the powers-that-be decided, in their infinite wisdom, to leave this large violent man, uncuffed and unshackled, alone in a room with one small female deputy and a loaded weapon.
I don’t think Mensa has any need to extend membership offers to those responsible for the circumstances which allowed this tragedy to happen.
Another reason why people should think before they act when procreating.
You gotta love Geraldo…
He has found the folks in the area who whipped out their video cameras as soon as the SWAT teams showed up.
GEESH
I was unaware that this guy had been caught with a shank the day before. THAT was a red flag if ever there was one. Of course, his attorney is saying he has no idea what made dude snap. Maybe his violent history should have provided a preamble to what he was capable of. Definitely not a Southern Gentleman. My heart goes out to the victims and the families of the deceased.
Who was the judge that authorized the bail for this guy? His name should be well publicized so people know who not to keep on the bench.
He wasn’t out on bail.
Say what you want about Geraldo, but he is um, errrum, ah…Say what you want about Geraldo!
Rafael you are funny:)
Renee, I will take that in the spirit it was given, giving you the benefit of my belief (because there is NO BENEFIT in doubt) that you meant it as a compliment. Bless you.
LOL, I did Raefel, you made me laugh.
Why would race peddlers come out of the woodwork? This man was violent and evil. Period.
Yes he was Tiffany (an evil man). Check back on some of the events during the trial of the some of “excuses” his defense used. Also, look at Michael King’s Blog to see that some group of lawyers have alredy complained that this evil man’s civil rights might be violated.
Go figure
Rafael, you gave me a chuckle too, in a very serious, horrible situation. This is really sad, it is so awful.
Thanks Renee and Raefel.
My condolences to the families that lost their loved ones.
“On the Thursday, slain judge Rowland W. Barnes told attorneys that Brian Nichols could be dangerous if convicted. Don’t laugh.”
How true. It’s the violence that’s on us and it’s not a joke! The judge’s comment is very revealing. It’s not that he has been violent to his girlfriend and might be violent to the rest of us, it’s that he might be violent to the serene community inside that supposedly secure courtroom. That’s what counts to the judge. I’ve heard a lot of good things about that judge, but that statement, which I’ve only seen reported here, demonstrates what is the matter with how judges look at things.
Why was he being retried? His first conviction was thrown out for some reason. The judge or judges who did that must be brought to responsibility for 4 deaths.
Walter,
His trials could have been tossed based on incompetance or percieved excess on behalf of the defense or prosecution. Or arresting officers, or another host of reasons.
This many is a bad seed, and he knows how to work the system. Better than law enforcement in Atlanta, it would seem.
I hate to say it but this whole episode was not Atlanta law enforcement’s finest hour.
Retried because of a hung jury.
The one California Supreme Court judge who voted to allow shock belts was Janice Rogers Brown, a Black woman whose appointment to a Federal judgeship is opposed by Democrats.
The County Police office in Atlanta rolled the dice on how to use women deputies in the courthouse. They tried to “protect” them by putting them in what was considered a low threat job, rather than use them effectively and lost badly.
I am not trying to put down the women deputies one bit by stating this. The fact that he was a prisoner who was charged with a very violent crime against a woman should have sent alarm bells off. Add to this the fact that he was caught with jailhouse weapons when he was on his way to the same courthouse days earlier and was not classified as a high risk prisoner will only result in future lawsuits and police oficials running for cover.
It is always a terrible shame that people have to get hurt for a system designed to fail is corrected. My heart goes out to the victims of this sad event.
No disrespect to the deceased, but Clinton News Network (CNN) earlier this evening, did an entire piece on the judge who was murdered by the gentleman in question. That was my first clue that, perhaps, the judge was amenable to leniency when dealing with criminals of this ilk. Site the JUDGEMENT in Cali all you want (shock belts and all that rubbish) but the bottom line is “when judges are of the liberal bent, they rule in favor of the perpetrator rather than the victim”.
This is part and parcel of the entire agenda of the liberal elite in America today. When a supreme court justice quotes a Jamaican court opinion in his ruling on a case that was purely American, we finally see the agenda of the left come to fruition. Knowing that the people will not freely elect arbiters of this opinion, the left has resorted to adjudication as their means to bring this change to the USA. I may have strayed from the original problem, but in the overall picture of crime and justice in America today, the courts are indeed packed with liberals and this is not a “good thing”. My question is, how many tragedies must we endure, is the death of three people enough to awaken the people? I voted in the 2004 election expressly on the premise of tort reform and judicial appointments. If a society based on laws cannot uphold those laws is it a society at all? Tony J Hall
Tony, Well said. I wish I could remember where I saw a woman on TV talking about the reduction in crime over a recent time period in America. She then went on to complain about all the people in prison! Neither she nor her interviewer considered that there might be a connection. This is one of the few times when a lenient judge was hurt. Usually it’s the rest of us.
It looks like the Atlanta Sheriffs department is going to have to answer some tough questions, on prisoner transport.
I think the Supreme Court decision should re-visited in light of this. What difference does it make if the prisoner shows up in prison orange or a 10 dollar suit. That certainly says to me anyway that the Supreme Court has no faith in the jury system, or the people who make up a jury, as if to say a jury will be un-necessarily swayed because the guy is dressed in prison and shackled, he wouldn’t be there in the first place if the ‘Cops’and the DA didn’t have good reason to arrest the man/woman in the first place.
Somehow in this Supremne Court decision I smell the ilk of the ACLU somehow they have got to be behind this.
Had the prisoner been brought straight to the court room from his jail cell, in shackles and left that way until his reutrn, I don’t believe this would have happened.
According to some lawyers, from Atlanta, interviewed on FOX, this has been a Tragedy waiting to happen, it was not an accident. But like all governments Nothing is done until some people are killed. Then its, ‘oh gee well we never saw this coming’, well evidently some others did and no one paid them any attention.
Now they have four people dead because of decisions made from the supreme court down to the lowest levels of government. As everyone knows ‘it’ flows downhill and the blame will start at the lowest levels instead of trying to fix the problem.
Mark
Foxnews.com has another picture, one in which you can see six people escorting Nichols, including two who are armed with rifles. The picture that Michelle Malkin has on her site only shows two of them.
I noticed this too! I thought it was just me who was thinking it was ironic.
I don’t understand why the cops didn’t just kill him when they had him pinned down shooting at them. There’s such a thing as too much restraint.
LaShawn,
I do not feel the race peddlers read this blog, Tiffany. The best coverage was Michael King and not CNN? Sorry, LaShawn, he has geographic advantage over you on this story! Nichols is a nut from a middle class background in Baltimore, MD. He graduated from a private high school. The law enforcement procedures must be changed! He was caught with homemade knife in shoe, so he should have been multiply guarded. This guy was football linebacker, and what did lady deputy weigh? What is her condition? Have conservatives who read these blogs ever used “race card”?
James M. Barber
I was just over at Rankin’ Rob’s site (http://rankinrob.typepad.com), and now I feel a bit more enlightened as to how and why this happened.
According to his ‘commenter’, Kstreetfriend, it was Nichols ‘perceived unfairness’ in the judicial system that led to his murderous lashing out.
Well, I don’t know about you, but I certainly feel much better, having been, ya know…informed.
La Shawn – I see you emphasized the “to avoid rape charges part”, this guy obviously snapped.
Political Teen:
If that is the same picture from the video tape I saw yesterday, the whole scenario is different, the agent standing behind Nichols has a weapon pointed down but right at the ’suspects’ back.
He is also shackled, hands and feet, then on the other side of the vehicle is another agent is opening the door, also armed, assisting in the seating.
I say he should get the death penalty no plea bargening no porole no bail and no 14 to 15 years of those idiotic appeals a say hang him from a tree
I should have known you were from the Palmetto State! As a native of Columbia, I now have one more reason to adore you, LB.
Mark I didn’t Nichols was only escorted by the woman, now did I?
It’s really quite sobering to realize just how far this nation has sunk into PC. A 51-year-old grandmother was assigned to guard a 6′2” violent criminal alone. Look at the mayhem and paralysis to the Altlanta region from a single thug armed with handguns he took from police.
Just think of what a well-trained cell of AQ or MS-13 types armed with fully automatic weapons and RPGs could do. A few cells in tandem could shut down the whole country. Sad to say, it’s only a matter of time.
The left has largely succeeded in its ‘long march through the institutions.’ The Republicans have controlled the house for a decade, and the Senate for the most part in the same period. What do we have to show for it? More leftists on the bench than ever. The black-robed Mullahs continue to reign unchallenged by those with the power to remove them from their thrones.
Until the day comes when we elect representatives who will take their oath of office seriously and introduce articles of impeachment against judges who cite Jamaican laws in the campaign to dismantle our constitution piecemeal, I can only assume that this is the way the con artists inside the beltway (or more accurately, the slimy collection of special interests who pull their strings) want it.
I live just a couple of miles from where Nichols was caught. My mother works in a law office blocks from the Fulton County courthouse. She’s in and out of there all the time. I was married in that courthouse. I say this to point out that the facts of what happened Friday are a little more relevent to me than to some of you sitting thousands of miles away.
Was Nichols an obviously violent man? Only if you assume that every person accused of a horrible crime is guilty. Nichols still has not been convicted of rape. Not because of evil liberal judges throwing out convictions of obviously evil men, but because a majority of jurors in his first trial believed he was innocent. The victim in that case said that he had never been abusive to her, even verbally, during their 7-year relationship.
Did this guy kill a mess of people in that courthouse – oh, heck yeah. Did he bring shanks into the courthouse? No one really knows. His lawyer said he was found with *unsharpened* pieces of metal in his shoes *after* his court appearance Wednesday.
Surely no one really believes that only that lone female in the picture is guarding him. Not in Gwinnett County. What is not pictured is the 30 SWAT team members and dozens of other law enforcement personnel surrounding him until he got to the FBI field office (near my mother’s home – this really is a local story for me.)
This was a horrible tragedy. The Fulton County Sheriff’s Department made ghastly mistakes. But badmouthing the police and the judicial system in the state of Georgia for mistakes that were *not* made just muddies the water.
This may be less about PC then about another Job that nobody wants to do, or the system cannot find candidates that can pass the drug/lie detector, background check, etc… I do prison ministry, and the turnover of Correction Officers is incredible. Those who do not quit, sooner or later burnout, and you have other CO’s that commit crimes, and end up in the same facilty that they used to guard.
I remember walking into our courthouse downtown, and walking though a sea of young men, dressed in orange jumpsuits waiting for trail, guarded by 1 CO female, that did not have a gun. As I looked at one of the young men who was looking at me, he preceeded to give me the finger. At that time I blew it off, never thinking he could have had a shank, or other weapons.
One of the judges said that video court may not be far away. After this it may be closer then we think.
(quote)Update IV (3/13): Michelle Malkin calls our attention to . . . the photo of a handcuffed Brian Nichols . . . that I hadn’t noticed before. He’s . . . escorted by another small female cop, although he was on the loose . . . because be (he) overpowered a small female cop!(unquote)
I observed the irony of that particular photo op on tv. However, she was a white female deputy; and they were surrounded by a whole lot of armed guards. I believe the news media’s only problem was that a *black* female deputy had that unfortunate job. They forget they are looking at 20-20 hindsight. Those were the court rules at the time — a deputy is a deputy is a deputy, as it should be. Yes, there needed to have been more guards and that is a lesson hopefully learned even the hard way. The news people seem to forget that even males, white and black, became victims of Nicols on Friday and Saturday. It came down to law enforcement policy and not race, color, size, or gender. My heart goes out to all the victims and their loved ones. May God have mercy on Nicol’s soul. I believe God will be the only One.
When this story broke, I heard about it on the radio. The race of the murderer was never mentioned, nor was the race of the deputy, nor the races of anyone else involved. I can only assume that was because race was totally irrelevant to what happened and why.
This is about silly, dangerous policies brought about under the PC rules of fairness, using whatever mindless definition of fairness is in vogue at the moment. The assertion that it might be prejudicial for a jury to see the defendant in handcuffs is utter nonsense. Why would the jurors think he’s sitting in the defendant’s chair during a rape trial? Unpaid parking tickets? Good grief.
The assertion that it might be prejudicial for a jury to see the defendant in handcuffs is utter nonsense. Why would the jurors think he’s sitting in the defendant’s chair during a rape trial? Unpaid parking tickets? Good grief.
So much for the presumption of innocence. You know. That pesky little thing called “innocent until proven guilty.”
Let’s see. A person, in handcuffs and/or prision suit, sitting at the defendent’s table, and someone like you is on the jury, who already thinks the person is most likely guilty.
Won.Der.Ful.
He MIGHT be violent if convicted? (Talk about a redundant statement.) IF convicted? For crying out loud! THAT MONSTER IS ALREADY VIOLENT!!
From DarkStar: “someone like you is on the jury, who already thinks the person is most likely guilty.” Gee, thanks, DS. I wasn’t aware that I consider defendants guilty before rendering a verdict. Now I know better.
But seriously, what are we to do? If handcuffs are wrong for a felony suspect before being found guilty, why do cops carry them? Maybe arresting someone before a finding of guilt should also be banned, since that act attaches a stigma to the arrestee. Maybe we could just ask the suspect politely if he would mind showing up in court on a certain day.
There has to be a reasonable solution to this, handcuffs, shackles, more (and larger) officers, shock collars, or something. The rights of the accused cannot be allowed to trump the rights of the public at large.
I say we do some DNA tinkering and create some Precogs, like in Minority Report, and when you think of doing a crime you will be thrown in jail.
Seriously this is all attributed to human error, no system is 100% safe, and in the judicial/corrections system there is the potential for this to happen every day. If you truly want to raise the percentage of safety, raise your taxes so that you can hire better equipped CO’s/Deputies, as well as installing a video system that conferences in the Judge, Jury, and the Defendent, and prosecutor (MJ would love that). The judge could do his whole case load from a secure location, as well as the other parties.
Idiocy. Any felon should be brought into court in an orange jumpsuit AND shackles.
He’s being ACCUSED of a crime at the defendants table and that doesn’t necessarily bespeak of his guilt, only that he’s been accused.
To put them in suits and ties and no cuffs just lends itself to what you saw in this case. STUPIDITY. There IS such a thing as taking someones feelings TOO SERIOUSLY.
Don’t like something? Then don’t put yourself in the situation to be forced to feel uncomfortable. ie, don’t commit crimes.
Idiocy. Any felon should be brought into court in an orange jumpsuit AND shackles.
This would be uncalled for.
Don’t like something? Then don’t put yourself in the situation to be forced to feel uncomfortable. ie, don’t commit crimes.
So all people in court commit crimes?
I would call you naive.
I should think that merely being in the defendant’s seat and accused of a crime should indicate that this is, in fact, someone who might be guilty. Putting handcuffs on them to protect people involved is not prejudicial, it’s wise – as this case obviously and inescapably demonstrates.
Went home for lunch. See where Nichols claims to be born again … sheesh, what are we teaching in our churches (call me old fashioned, but I could swear that something about murder being written in stone and all that)
There has to be a reasonable solution to this, handcuffs, shackles, more (and larger) officers, shock collars, or something.
A reasonable solution would be to walk them in the room in cuffs. Let them out. Bring in the jury.
Later let out the jury. Cuff him. Send him out.
Lashawn, I listened to you speak on MSNBC this afternoon and I was rather impressed and decided to write down your email address. However I was most disappointed when I got to your site and you described Mr. Nichols as being a “thug”. I feel that was very distasteful. We experience enough of the stereotypical names that the other races call us daily! Mr. Nichols is no more than a thug than you or I. I think “Tupac” said it best when he said what makes a thug is to have lived through the thug lifestyle of being poor, seeing & participating in murders, and living on the streets – praying not to be the next victim.
Mr. Nichols was far from this. He grew up attending private schooling in a gated community. His acts of violence of course were not right however it is god who should judge him at this point and not our right to give him other names besides who he is at this point. My hat goes off to the young lady that turned him in. She was thoughtful, courageous and brave. But what I liked best about her is that she never condemned him for his acts because she knew it was not her place. Instead she gave him hope, which in turn gave him peace as he gave up without incident.
DS-
That is a very practical solution…which makes it exactly why they won’t do it. Asking our judicial system to use reason…that’s out of the question.
Remember he was not even out of his holding cell. Again this comes down to HUMAN ERROR!!! They have monitors, but what good are monitors if no-one watches them, they were asked for extra security, but for some reason none was provided. Also it appears that there was no police presence, because he was able to get up to the 8th floor and back down without confrontation, until he got outside and ran into another officer, and there was still no one to return fire. It was as if Atlanta was asleep.
The day after they caught Nichols, Dekalb Co, Fulton Co’s neighboring county, responded to shots fired in a parking lot. They arrive, toss one of the guys in their patrol car. Ooops, they neglected to search him. The guy started shooting from inside the patrol car. The officers fired back eventually killing him. The officer said it was so hectic they forgot to search him. They taped the patrol car off with ‘crime scene’ tape.
Im not sure who to be scared of in this town. The crooks or the cops. Scary!
No race component here – I know a whole bunch of Black men who could have managed Nichols.
How double dare they lock up someone not convicted of a crime. Let Mr. Nichols loose this instant and do not speak harshly to him until he has been convicted and all appeals are exhausted. Jails are for Ghetto thugs, not high-born gentlefolk.
i think that their is alot of people to blame in this event. first of all his former girlfriend accused him of raping her. then she also told police that he had never physically or mentally abused her during their 7 year relationship. but he had also recently before they broke up had gotten another woman pregnant. so don’t you think that maybe she was just trying to get back at him for cheating on her she was hurt and wanted to hurt him also. he was told that it was a mistrail then just a week later they were going to try him again. that would play with a person’s mind. i would lose it also. could you imagine what he felt. i personally think there was alot of mistakes made by the corrections department and even the judge. i think there is more to this case than what they want us to know. how could they be so stupid to have an inmate being taken to change clothes by a female officer. first of all they should not allow females to be in charge of male inmates. duh!!! so i really think that there is more people to blame than just him. yes he did shoot 4 people and needs to be punished for that but i also think that the sytem should be accused of some of this event happening. The prisons are ran by people just normal human beings who make mistakes also.And the co’s in the corrections departments can also be just as evil as the people in their.and whatever happen to being proven guilty. now just because of someone’s race they are guilty. i am married to a black man and i am a white female.my husband has been serving the past year in a prison facilty. and everyday i experience the way the system is messed up not every person is guilty .and i am not just feeling this way because i have a husband in prison. i think that they pushed him into snapping. what has happened to this country for people to be so mean to say that because he was black. if i was a defense attorney i would love to try this case.
Be glad you don’t have anyone like Judge Elloie to deal with. All by his lonesome, he accounts for 86% of the bail reductions in Orleans Parish, and a great many of the folks he’s let out have commited more felonies (Up to & including murder)while on bail.
thug “theg noun [Hindi thag, lit., thief] (1810)
: a brutal ruffian or assassin : gangster, killer
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thug noun
1 a person inclined or hired to treat another roughly, brutally, or murderously
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Narvella,
Here are a couple definitions of thug. Clearly, Nichols meets the definition.
Why are people saying he “snapped”?
I see no evidence of this. He had already kidnapped, imprisoned and raped and sodomized someone. He was already extremely violent.
It seems to me he killed in order to get away, not as part of some killing spree as though he were crazy. Saying he “snapped” is like treating him like a victim.
amanda , that is if you believe his story. His girlfriend changing stories is VERY COMMON among victims of abuse. They are ashamed, or afraid, then say it didn’t happen, etc. My dad defended a lot of murderers his last 12 years as a public defender. They all have excuses, say they snapped. They are usually liars.
VictoriaG,
my father did not simply work in a courthouse. He was a public defender on the Murder Task Force for Cook County (Chicago) IL, for 12 years. For 12 years he only defended those accused of murder.
Do you know how many defendents he had that he thought were innocent? None.
He had a bunch of huge football player sized men that killed their 90 lb girlfriends and said it was self defense. They all said that. yeah right.
Whether just accused of a crime or not, the police need to be free to protect themselves as though the person really were violent.
Obviously from his actions, he was violent. Don’t tell me you couldn’t know that before, most cops can look in your eyes and tell you. Most people, not even cops, can do the same, according to Gavin De Becker’s book “The Gift of Fear.”
George Ryan even released one of his defendents a few years ago. Not because DNA evidence exonerated him. But because Ryan’s bleeding heart team decided it really was self defense when the huge guy killed his girlfriend barely half his size. No one else, not even my father, fell for his story, but the bleeding heart feel sorry for criminal liberal team Ryan assembled did believe it. Now a killer is on the streets. Potentially 130 killers actually, since none were exonerated by DNA, the team just felt sorry for them and released them.
i have a comment about the woman who was held hostage by brian nichols and then let go. i honestly believe that a thorough background search should be done on this woman. although she did a pretty amazing thing, something just doesn’t seem right to me about the way the whole incident went down. i hope to god i am wrong but i strongly feel that she and brian have met in the past, if only for a brief moment and conspired to collect the 60,000 reward. i figured brian probably thought that if he were going to jail someone should receive the reward. after all, why get killed or go to jail with 60,000 dollars of free money hanging over your head. she could reimburse him while on death row.
PlutosDad,
“Obviously from his actions, he was violent. Don’t tell me you couldn’t know that before, most cops can look in your eyes and tell you. Most people, not even cops, can do the same, according to Gavin De Becker’s book ‘The Gift of Fear.’”
Then why bother with that silly jury trial business? After all, if most people can tell *just by looking* if someone is a violent criminal, what’s the point of wasting time presenting all that confusing evidence?
Everyone I’ve ever met who claimed they “can tell by looking,” including cops, tended to assume that all large black men were intrinsically violent. There’s a name for that, and it ain’t justice.
I don’t know about the idea of looking in his eyes; that sounds a bit too trendy and parapsychological for me.
But there was one place to look to see that he was a violent man, and possibly very dangerous, and that was in his shoe, where he hid the homemade knife that he carried into court a day or two before his murder spree. Unless he had a jar of peanut butter in the other shoe and some bread stuffed in his socks, one might logically assume the knife was for nefarious purposes.
I’ll agree with RedBeard. As soon as he was found with shivs in his chuck taylors, he lost the right to be considered harmless.
And regardless of his charges, really, why leave a defendent alone with a single officer? That she was a small woman and he a large muscled man makes the situation all the more absurd.
When I worked in security, we never, ever approached or escorted a suspect on equal terms. 2 or 3 on one was the rule of the day. That store detectives know this better than the Atlanta courts… that says something scary about things.
Brian Nichols, Bart Ross, Perceived Unfairness (Courts Under Attack)…
Taking a life is wrong!
Fighting the justice system outside of its contour isn’t rational. Freedom has provided civil liberties when used correctly removes insurmountable barriers such as segregation, discrimination and the like. Although many Americans have formed certain perceptions about the judiciary that represents an overall lack of trust, one must prove their argument within the structure provided and advocate change through civilized conduct. There are many methods of mentally or physically withdrawing from a hostile situation. The most common, attribute racist behavior to ignorance and chose to educate as a response to discrimination, which can give a sense of empowerment.
A spate of violence in the judicial system has many uneasy and on edge. Security at federal, state, and local courts across the country has been increased in the wake of the shooting of three people in Atlanta (Judge Rowland Barnes, his court reporter and a Fulton County deputy) today and last week’s killings of U.S. District Court Judge Joan Humphrey Lefkow’s husband and mother in Chicago.
Since the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, courthouses today are already secured by electronic surveillance systems, armed security officers, and metal detectors and scanning devices at every public entrance. In short, Judges are often the target of threats from defendants or litigants. They worry that their addresses and other personal information are easily accessible using the Internet and public records. And, there are trials that have the potential for additional security concerns.
In Chicago, police concluded that 57-year-old Bart Ross, a Poland immigrant, harbored a grudge against Judge Lefkow because she dismissed his malpractice lawsuit. In Atlanta, observers say a second rape trial was going badly for 34-year-old Brian Nichols, an African-American. It was his second trial in as many weeks. The first ended in a mistrial after a jury was unable to reach a verdict (8 to 4 in favor of acquittal).
Public confidence plays a significant role in the ability of courts to perform their function effectively. Courts must rely for enforcement of their decisions on retaining sufficient respect from individual citizens so that the vast majority will comply voluntarily. Perceptions influence, even shape, behavior. Both Bart Ross and Brian Nichols appear to have expressed a concern about possible unfairness. Note, more than one-third of all Georgians see African Americans as receiving worst treatment than others by the court system. See “Essay: Race and the Georgia Courts: Implications of the Georgia Public Trust and Confidence Survey for Batson v. Kentucky and its Progeny,†37 Ga. L. Rev. 1021.
In fact, there are twenty years of surveys (1978 to 1998), that identify positive and negative images of the judiciary recurred with varying degrees of force-fulness across the nation. See David B. Rottman’s, “On Public Trusts and Confidence: Does Experience with the Courts Promote or Diminish It?†Negative images centered on perceived inaccessibility, unfairness in the treatment of racial and ethnic minorities, and lack of concern about the problems of ordinary people. There is also a concern that the courts are biased in favor of the wealthy and corporations – political considerations exerted an undue influence on the judiciary.
Nonetheless, improving public trust and confidence of the courts is fundamental and likely to be the best defense against the emotional reaction of losing a legal case. As early as 1988, U.S. Supreme Court Chief Justice, William H. Rehnquist, detailed the extent, almost since the inception of our system of government, that the courts require the public’s trust and confidence. See “The Supreme Court: The First Hundred Years Were the Hardest,†42 U. Miami L. Rev. 475, 477 (1988).
Justice Rehnquist provided the following example:
“When former Chief Justice Oliver Ellsworth, an appointee of President George Washington, fell ill in December 1800, president John Adams turned to John Jay asking him to return to that position (Jay having served as the first Chief Justice). But, John Jay refused the appointment writing ‘The Court, labored under a [judicial] system so defective that amongst its other problems, it did not possess the public confidence and respect which as the last resort of the justice of the nation, it should….’â€
Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O’Connor in her address to the National Conference on Public Trust and Confidence in the Justice System (July 1999) has expressed a similar concern:
“[i]n the last analysis, it is the public we serve, and we do care what the public thinks of us.â€
But, prior to a 1999 study sponsored by the National Center for State Courts and the Hearst Corporation, “How the Public Views the State Courts†there was no systematic body of evidence that could document the extent to which and the ways in which perceptions of the court differ across social groups.
The 1999 survey findings reveal stark differences in how minority groups view the judicial system. African Americans consistently display a more negative view of the courts and less trust and confidence in the judicial system than do White/Non-Hispanics or Hispanics. That is, as a general matter, blacks express low levels of confidence in the courts, lower than other groups.
Minority groups perceive themselves as treated worse by the judicial systems because: (1) court personnel aren’t helpful and courteous; (2) most juries are not representative of the community; (3) courts fail to make reasonable efforts to ensure that individuals have adequate attorney representation; (4) judges are generally dishonest in deciding cases; and (5) courts are just “out-of-touch†with what’s going on in their communities.
Interestingly, Caucasians appear to either not understand or discount the perceptions of minority group members about the fairness of the court process.
A perception that money (court costs) matters in the treatment one receives from the courts is also an important component of the court’s public image. Nearly all respondents (87 percent) believed that having a lawyer contributed “a lot†to the high cost of going to court. More than half the respondents believed that the slow pace of justice, the complexity of the law, and the expenditure of personal time (e.g. missing work) additionally contributed “a lot†to the cost of going to court. Most distressing, all of the groups said courts handle cases in a poor manner. Family relations cases and juvenile delinquency cases, in particular, are said to fare worst.
In Batson v. Kentucky, 476 U.S. 79 (1986), the U.S. Supreme Court concluded that a government lawyer prosecuting an African American criminal defendant violates the Equal Protection Clause if the prosecutor uses peremptory challenges for the purposes of excluding African Americans from the jury. The decision was premised in part on a desire to bolster public confidence in the fairness of the court system.
The Batson principle has been extended in a series of subsequent decisions, so that the prohibition on racially discriminatory peremptory challenges now extends to all trial attorneys, regardless of the nature of the case or the identity of the client. See Georgia v. McCollum, 505 U.S. 42 (1992); Edmonson v. Leesville Concrete Co., 500 U.S. 614 (1991); Powers v. Ohio, 499 U.S. 400 (1991). In Powers v. Ohio, the Court held a jury “acts as a vital check against the wrongful exercise of power by the State and its prosecutors,†and that racial discrimination in jury selection “damages both the fact and the perception of this guarantee.â€
While Batson has not produced a general public consensus that all races receive equal treatment in the court system, that does not necessarily mean the decision has been completely ineffective, or that it is somehow fundamentally misguided. By striking at the use of racial stereotypes as the basis for peremptory challenges, one expected outcome of the Batson decision would be to increase the number of minorities serving on juries. Such an outcome could play a potentially significant role in improving public confidence in the court system. Data from the Georgia survey (Essay: Race and the Georgia Courts: Implications of the Georgia Public Trust and Confidence Survey for Batson v. Kentucky and its Progeny,†37 Ga. L. Rev. 1021) suggests that, in certain respects, those who have served as jurors tend to have greater trust in the court system than other citizens, and this hold true when minority jurors are examined.
I agree with all you who feel we should let God judge Nichols. I would only add that we need to get him to God ASAP!!!
Perhaps the others who feel for Nichols and others in the same situation could offer up their homes to comfort these poor souls during their ordeal.
I have a new theory, i hope the USA media picks it up. I believe that Nichols “date raped” this woman who read the Bible to him. What I mean is this: he raped her inside her apartment, after taking a shower (naked) while she was on the floor of the bathroom, tied up. get it? he came out of the show, raped her, and then she became his angel. in other words, she didn’t want to die, she didn’t mind being raped if it meant she could live. that is why she gave the second press conference on CNN yesterday. She was raped by Nichols. and that is why she is so emotinally messed up right now. Look, friends, there is no God, there is no Jesus, and no angels. Nichols is in deep doodoo, the “angel’ who read the bible and a purpose driven life to him, chapter 33, she is in deep denial about what really happened. she will go on to become national hero, Bible thumper, richly rewarded, marry rich man, live happily unhappily ever after. she was raped, friends. what this story unfold.
I don’t think he was a bad guy he just snapped but he should stil be punished
You should really slow your roll on this Brian Nichols guy before all of the facts are in. First off, how do you know for certain that he DID rape his ex-girlfriend? A jury consisting of 12 members in his first rape trial had 9 of those 12 vote for TOTAL aquittal. So obviously there is more to that story.
I also read that they were in a 8 year relationship and that they had a brief break up then he meets another woman. Ultimately, the ex wanted to reconcile with Nichols and they supposedly spent 3 days together and during that time he advised her that the other woman was now with child. Carrying HIS child. Now being a sista lets be real! He tells his ex, who is trying to get back with him that he’s met another woman who is now carrying his child, you know the ex hit the roof. And this wouldn’t be the first (or last) time a scorned woman made up a rape allegation because the guy did something she didn’t agree with. Let’s be real, this is very possible.
Let’s say this is what happened and he knows he is innocent and then the judge (by the way this in no way excuses what he did, just trying to shine a different light on the issue) pushes for another trial or some other stuff happens in the court case which leads Nichols to belive he has no chance and the system is trying to rail road him. This guy probably just SNAPPED and went off.
Anyway’s lets not be so quick to judge on this one because believe me, one can state how they would react or what they WOULD or WOULD NOT do in a situation, but until you are actually there, you don’t know….
Mista O…
He’s a murderer. He’s a kidnapper. He’s a thief.
Whether or not he’s a rapist is the least of his problems.
As soon as he jumped the guard and opened fire with her sidearm, he lost the luxury of “what ifs” like the ones you lay out.
He’s not Doctor Kimbal, looking for the one armed man.
He’s a murderer. He’s a kidnapper. He’s a thief.
And one who is very possibly a rapist.
Anyone, who can do what Brian Nichols did is an absolute evil idiot. Just looking at him I can tell he is the kind that thinks he’s bad. He deserves to die as soon as possible. Is there some kind of records kept for the most crimes committed in one day? I hate to hear all these family members keep saying how nice he is and what a wonderful upbringing he had.
Regarding Ashley Smith (the hostage)and there may be more to the story, in my opinion it doesn’t matter what she had to do to convince this clown to stop the killing. The State of Georgia need to give her a MILLION dollars.
Lastly, I am 43 years old and I have never seen the kind of incompetence displayed by the Sheriff and Police Depts. in Atlanta the day of this crime. Too many mistakes to even comprehend. And to hear the Sheriff speaking at the press conference, made me wonder if this guy had even graduated from High School.
On the way to Long Beach yesterday, I listened to O’Reilly on the radio. He totally disrespected the lady who got Nichols to surrender. Said he didn’t have her on because she was on a lot of other shows. Said he didn’t know what to think of her and her story. Mocked her for reading a passage from PDL. Said he was too busy “lookin’ out for the folks in Fulton County. Said the DA should be fired. (By who? Isn’t he elected?) Said all the “leaders” of the Atlanta Constitution should be “fired”. (By who?) I’ve got news for you O’Reilly…No more Stan for you! I urge all of us to boycott him and his sponsors like he always wants us to boycott France. Procedural considerations aside, only Mr. Nichols is responsible for his actions.
I’m having trouble with the idea that Nichols “snapped,” as if that somehow lessens his culpability. We hear it all the time about other bad guys, though. He just snapped, and belted his wife. He just snapped, and beat up the bartender. He just snapped, and shot the store clerk. I can’t accept “snapping” as a mitigating factor, except in rare cases of mental defect. Most of the time there is no snapping, but only a bad guy suddenly showing his true character, or lack thereof.
Btw, on another subject, I hear that O’Reilly’s picture is in the dictionary next to “Cannon, Loose.”
By no means do I excuse what he did, I feel that he should in fact be punished. However, there truly is more to this story than meets the eye. I have questions as to how this woman just calmed him down (I believed they knew each other in some kind of way). I also feel there is more to the rape allegations made by his ex. Trust me when you pisse a sista off it is all out war. It is quite obvious the young lady who got pregnant meant nothing to him. She was just someone to be around while him and the ex went through thier thing. I honestly believe he could not take the fact that she no longer wanted to be with him because of the other lady being pregnant. I went through something similiar to this and some men love to hard.I find it funny that she was in an eight year relationship with this man, they were not married and they had no kids. I think she was hurt by the fact that he had another child on the way (which probably meant nothing considering he had a 13 year old daughter that had not seen him since she was two years old). I would like to see them attempt to get in head and figure out what made him hurt people last week, that is what I want to know what was going on in his head. I believe he was after the ex and the DA the day the shootings happened and since they were not in the courtroom he choose to shoot the judge. I think he shoot the court reporter because she stood up when she heard the shot behind her and he panicked and shot her. I was saddened and amazed by this whole ordeal and I truly offer my condolances to the families.
I have a question if murder is murder then what makes the person given the lethal injection or pulling the switch any different? I do not feel it is up to us to play GOD. If GOD intends for him to die he will deal with him.
LisaJ, are you familiar with the biblical view of capital punishment? The question is rhetorical. If you knew, you’d know the difference between murder and execution by the state. I love it when people do this. For some reason, they cite the Bible without knowing what it really says. They rely on what others say about it or what they think is in it. In no way is what Nichols did and what the state should do to him morally equivalent.
God appointed government to protect citizens from evil, contrary to all the other junk they do today. Protecting us for evil is something they need a lot of remedial help with. Contrary to what people who don’t read the Bible believe, the New Testament did not revoke or prohibit capital punishment for murder, which is the taking on an innocent life without provocation or justification. Now don’t get these two things confused: Whatever happens to Nichols’s soul is obviously in God’s hands, but society has every right to administer capital punishment for murderers. Nichols may receive salvation while on death row, but his sentence still must be carried out. Both of these things are God’s business. He has appointed government for these and other purposes.
I just want to start sending my condolences out to the families of the victims. This whole situation could have been prevented if the right safety precaution were followed.
Brian Nichols is in Gods hands now we just have to watch to see what will happen next. Even though he was wrong for what he has done, my heart goes out to him. I do not think he raped the woman; could have been some jealousy issues led to that case. The women got jealous because he had gotten another woman pregnant. It is a shame that the world is like this today but hey what can you do.
I do not believe in the death penalty even people who do wrong should live until God decides to take there life. I know that he took other lives but that is between him and God.
Derinda – The state administering capital punishment to murderers is God taking their lives. Where in Scripture do you find otherwise?
Read the comment I posted just above yours about God judging men’s souls but men judging other men’s actions, something we are required to do. I really want to know where you get the twisted idea that we are not allowed to judge people? Can you imagine the chaos that would ensue? Whatever people do, we are prohibited from judging the morality or immorality of their actions because we are not God? That makes sense to you?
you are not about to tell me that GOD approves of this in no way shape or form. As far as men judging men I disagree with that because every single person on this earth has committed some type of sin in some way, shape, or form. One sin is no better than the other. In GOD’s eyes they are one and the same. As I said I do not excuse what he did but I do not feel he has to answer to me.
That didn’t come close to answering the question, but OK.
let’s say this was your brother, husband, son, or father. Would still feel the need for capital punishment?
Lisa, this is why we have laws, rules and standards. Of course I wouldn’t want any member of my family to be executed. That’s why it’s not up to me or any individual. The rule of law is vital to a nation’s stability and safety. My subjective feelings about a murderer, family or stranger, don’t factor into the equation.
if you say so, but let’s not turn this into a debate. I accidentally came across this site while searching the local news here in Atlanta. I think this site will be of interest to the people who post. You have a nice site….take care
http://www.11alive.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=60388
LisaJ,
Sins are not all the same. La Shawn is absolutely correct. “For it (government) is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath upon the one who practices evil”. Romans 13:4
in biblical dys GOD APPOINTED THESE MINISTER NOT MAN. UNLESS IT HAPPENED WHILE I WAS SLEEP I DO NOT RECOLLECT GOD COMING DOWN AND APPOINTING ANY MINISTERS IN TODAYS TIME. SOORY FOR THE ALL CAPS I WAS IN THE MIDDLE OF SOMTHING ELSE.
That’s sad, Lisa. You’ve obviously relied on the rhetoric of someone who themselves haven’t read the Bible or at least has no understanding of what the words mean. Who do you think “ministers” are? Ghosts? They are men. Human beings. Are you not familiar with the view of government in the book of Romans?
I am just curious what this guys profession is or was. I was arguing wiht my friend that the guy is a criminal and my friend told me NICHOLS lives in a 800,000 dollar house and he drove a beamer but I felt teh guy was a criminal. If you can kill a judge, a cop and other people and hi-jack cars. YOU NEED TO BE DEAD, if you look at this guys history, he raped his gf for 3 days until her birthday because she broke up with him. Any one who thinks this guy doesn’t need to get the death penalty is out of there mind. I am just curious what this guys profession was. Someone please let me know
you are missing my point he appointed them. I dont see anything I had said as being sad. I do feel that alot of society still thinks in the flesh mind because a spiritual would not approve of capital punishment. We are to care, love, and help all…even the lost. I guess it is a good thing that everyone is entitled to thier own opinion.
he was a computer specialist and yes he drove a beamer. He was quite successful
LisaJ,
The “bible days” in the Scripture La Shawn is referring to took place in the first century in the Roman Empire. The ministers the writer is referring to were the Roman Emperors, probably Nero at the time he wrote. Obviously, as American citizens, we can decide our own course. But when we bring God’s name into the equation and believe that He wouldn’t approve of capital punishment, some of us feel some responsibility to point out Scripture, which is where most Americans seem to get their idea of God. Scripture and religion aside, when capital punishment comes up I’m always dismayed by the focus on the poor criminal rather than on the poor victims, which in this case number 5 along with their families.
I dont see him as a poor criminal, he was wrong for what he did. I am not saying let him go unpunished or cut him loose. I just dont feel capital punishment (murder)is the answer. It just adds to the list of tragedies. I hearts go out to the families it truly does. By no means am I saying “Poor Brian Nichols”, I do however, disapprove to capital punishment. FYI, it was not 5 it was 4. The female deputy who he overpowered is doing great (amen), and will be transferred to a rehabilitation facility tomorrow. She does not know what happened she does remember the assault, but did not know as of last night the aftermath.
Lashawn what bible do you read
I ask you a question and you answer with a question. OK. I read what’s known as the “Hebrew” Bible, which is the Old Testament, plus the New Testament, which together is the whole revelation of God.
Do you mean which translation? I own copies of the New King James Version and the New International Version.
Nichols should stay in jail because if he gets out he will keep killing
God has no issue with what we call capital punishment. God ordained capital punishment. God has executed capital punishment. However, it isn’t His first choice. He would rather there was no need for it, but as long as humanity traffics in evil deeds, there will be. God is NOT a wimp. Being sovereign, He reserves the right to execute judgment on His subjects. Governments, the “powers that be”, sometimes are the agents of His vengeance on miscreants. As moral free agents, we get to choose whether or not we want to be on God’s side. If not, the pay (wages) is death. Choose life and that won’t be an issue for you. Peace.
Lisa,
Here is God’s answer to your disdain for Capital Punishment. It comes from Genesis 9:6, and it clearly states that God commands us to take the life of a murderer, because we are created in the image of God.
Gen 9:6
6 “Whoever sheds man’s blood,
By man his blood shall be shed;
For in the image of God
He made man.
The state administering capital punishment to murderers is God taking their lives. Where in Scripture do you find otherwise?
I have a major problem with this point of view.
We know there are major issues with the judicial system in this country.
If you have money, you can hire good lawyers and that will increase the chance of being found not guilty.
Next, we know that mistakes are made, including in death penalty cases. Some of them have been found out before the people were executed. But, I have no doubt that there are people not guilty of the crimes who are sitting on death row.
How can anyone, even if the Bible supports the death penalty, support it with chances of mistakes being made.
I have yet to hear or read why mistakingly executing someone is not the same as murder.
DS, murder comes down to intent. As unfortunate as it is when someone is mistakenly executed, it’s not murder. If, however, the executioners somehow knew the person was innocent and despite this knowledge deliberately killed him anyway, that’s murder.
As far as not supporting the biblical view of capital punishment because people make mistakes, we all better stop living right now. Because we are fallen creatures, sinful to the bone, it is the very reason we need laws. Unfortunately, because of that same fallen nature, we will cheat and defy and try to get over. That’s who we are, but the solution is not to ignore what God says because people take advantage of the system.
We may not like our system sometimes, but it is a blessing – and I mean a blessing – to live under a system like ours, relative to other countries.
No one can know what was and is going on in his mind. And the mind is a powerful thing. He is a product of the same society that all of us live in. In our haste to judge, criticize, and condem we need to 1. have our facts correct, and 2. remember that we all have something like 93% of our genetic make up with wild animals (chimpanzees) and who knows when this could be one of our family members, friends, or ourselves who loses it.
Dark Star,
There is no question that at least a few folks have received the death penalty for something they didn’t do. It is also true that those whose lives have been taken have been disproportionately black due to incompetence at all levels plus an injection of racism. But things are changing very rapidly. Numbers of folks are now being released from prison because of DNA evidence, something not possible before. There is a far more likely prospect that few if any will be unjustly executed in the future. For example, my home state of California is regularly scorned for being a liberal, soft state with respect to crime. However, because we are so careful (and slow! dang it! ) I can guarantee you that none of the 600+ on death row are there unjustly. And slowly and surely they receive the just reward for their deeds, just like Scott Peterson who will soon participate in the “magnificent torture” that is San Quentin. I may be 75 or 80 when he is executed but I will still say that justice, slow as she was, finally came.
(The term “magnificant torture” is not mine but was used by someone in an interview after court today. For those who haven’t been to the Bay Area, SQ sits northeast and down below the Golden Gate Bridge. It is a horrible place to be but has one of the most beautiful views in the U.S.; hence “magnificent torture.” I love it!)
LisaJ,
I counted the wounded deputy as a victim and like you are pleased that she’s doing well.
Monique – Remind me to kill somebody next time I want a little tea and sympathy and excuse-making. We know he killed four people. What’s with this “don’t judge and criticize others” stuff? Did I wake up in Bizarro World this morning? I condemn a person who murders people. It’s as simple as that. This is a court of public opinion, not a court of law. What kind of world is this becoming when people actually believe it is wrong to judge another’s actions? Forget his mind. Who cares what’s in a murderer’s mind?
Unbelievable.
I think we’ve exhausted this thread. Represented are many viewpoints, and the Googlers will have plenty to read and digest.
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