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		<title>By: Chris Roberts</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/03/17/well/comment-page-2/#comment-28962</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Mar 2005 22:53:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stan-
That&#039;s a good starting point.  We must spend a little up front to get the ball rolling.  Why can&#039;t our lawmakers discuss and come to good conclusions?  Sorry, stupid question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stan-<br />
That&#8217;s a good starting point.  We must spend a little up front to get the ball rolling.  Why can&#8217;t our lawmakers discuss and come to good conclusions?  Sorry, stupid question.</p>
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		<title>By: stan</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/03/17/well/comment-page-2/#comment-28891</link>
		<dc:creator>stan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:18:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RedBeard,

The first step would be to deport the &quot;illegals&quot; who are in custody. The next would be to reimburse the states for the cost of holding and trying them. That should be done before we do anything about &quot;illegals&quot; who are actually working.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RedBeard,</p>
<p>The first step would be to deport the &#8220;illegals&#8221; who are in custody. The next would be to reimburse the states for the cost of holding and trying them. That should be done before we do anything about &#8220;illegals&#8221; who are actually working.</p>
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		<title>By: RedBeard</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/03/17/well/comment-page-2/#comment-28659</link>
		<dc:creator>RedBeard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Mar 2005 02:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But even with sealed borders (please make it so), the question remains.  What WILL we do with the criminals who are already here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But even with sealed borders (please make it so), the question remains.  What WILL we do with the criminals who are already here?</p>
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		<title>By: stan</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/03/17/well/comment-page-2/#comment-28652</link>
		<dc:creator>stan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Mar 2005 21:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are said to be nearly 9 million illegals in the country now. There are around 2 million in California at any given time. It would require a police state of gargantuan proportions to even make a dent and each one would be challenged by an ACLU lawyer. The nation would come to a grinding halt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are said to be nearly 9 million illegals in the country now. There are around 2 million in California at any given time. It would require a police state of gargantuan proportions to even make a dent and each one would be challenged by an ACLU lawyer. The nation would come to a grinding halt.</p>
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		<title>By: stan</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/03/17/well/comment-page-2/#comment-28649</link>
		<dc:creator>stan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Mar 2005 21:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris,

I don&#039;t disagree with you. Just saying that the logistics of removing illegals combined with the pressure from the vested interests you mentioned make sure it will never happen. The point remains, the border must be sealed now and probably forever with crossings confined only to the border stations. Removing those who are here just isn&#039;t going to happen but severely restricting future illegal crossings can and must for the sake of national security if for nothing else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t disagree with you. Just saying that the logistics of removing illegals combined with the pressure from the vested interests you mentioned make sure it will never happen. The point remains, the border must be sealed now and probably forever with crossings confined only to the border stations. Removing those who are here just isn&#8217;t going to happen but severely restricting future illegal crossings can and must for the sake of national security if for nothing else.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim R</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/03/17/well/comment-page-2/#comment-28471</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Mar 2005 10:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NY Times link to the Wal-Mart illegal alien hiring fine:

nytimes.com/2005/03/19/business/19walmart.html?th</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NY Times link to the Wal-Mart illegal alien hiring fine:</p>
<p>nytimes.com/2005/03/19/business/19walmart.html?th</p>
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		<title>By: TX Minuteman</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/03/17/well/comment-page-2/#comment-28469</link>
		<dc:creator>TX Minuteman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Mar 2005 06:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any attorneys out there? 

When a public official gives an illegal order to a police officer to wilfully violate the law by refusing to enforce a valid federal law, what is the name of the crime the public official has committed? I am thinking it might be obstruction of justice, but I&#039;m not sure. And what is the article or section number? Same goes for a law enforcement official who voluntarily refuses to uphold a valid federal law.  

Anyway, would there be any way to bring criminal charges against any of these activist politicians and law enforcemet officials who steadfastly refuse to uphold 1324 - Bring in and Harbor Certain Aliens, and 1325 - Improper Entry by Alien? I mean, if we could get JUST ONE DA in ONE JURISDICTION in the country to take ONE case! Or if not, is there any way to start hauling some of these obstructionist public officials into civil court? If we could get just ONE of them! It ought to be an open and shut case! And it might get the ball rolling. Or a class action maybe?

The enforcement of a valid law is NOT optional - and a whole bunch of people need to start getting slapped with criminal charges, from Bush to city council people. Not to mention the fact that these public officials are also in violation of the Aid and Abet Laws! These people are openly committing felonies!! Where are our District Attorneys??!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any attorneys out there? </p>
<p>When a public official gives an illegal order to a police officer to wilfully violate the law by refusing to enforce a valid federal law, what is the name of the crime the public official has committed? I am thinking it might be obstruction of justice, but I&#8217;m not sure. And what is the article or section number? Same goes for a law enforcement official who voluntarily refuses to uphold a valid federal law.  </p>
<p>Anyway, would there be any way to bring criminal charges against any of these activist politicians and law enforcemet officials who steadfastly refuse to uphold 1324 &#8211; Bring in and Harbor Certain Aliens, and 1325 &#8211; Improper Entry by Alien? I mean, if we could get JUST ONE DA in ONE JURISDICTION in the country to take ONE case! Or if not, is there any way to start hauling some of these obstructionist public officials into civil court? If we could get just ONE of them! It ought to be an open and shut case! And it might get the ball rolling. Or a class action maybe?</p>
<p>The enforcement of a valid law is NOT optional &#8211; and a whole bunch of people need to start getting slapped with criminal charges, from Bush to city council people. Not to mention the fact that these public officials are also in violation of the Aid and Abet Laws! These people are openly committing felonies!! Where are our District Attorneys??!!</p>
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		<title>By: TX Minuteman</title>
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		<dc:creator>TX Minuteman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Mar 2005 05:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh and by the way - that &quot;Anchor Baby&quot; law - is also a fabrication! And that is also something that needs to be set right. I don&#039;t remember the exact wording of the law, but the important part of it to look at is the part about the mother having to be in her LEGAL JURISDICTION at the time she gives birth!! If she is not here legally, then her legal jurisdiction is Mexico, or whatever! This law got twisted into its present day meaning somehow a while back, I think by some activist judge, and it just kind of kept being applied in that way. But it was NEVER intended to be interpreted the way it is now. There was never an anchor baby law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh and by the way &#8211; that &#8220;Anchor Baby&#8221; law &#8211; is also a fabrication! And that is also something that needs to be set right. I don&#8217;t remember the exact wording of the law, but the important part of it to look at is the part about the mother having to be in her LEGAL JURISDICTION at the time she gives birth!! If she is not here legally, then her legal jurisdiction is Mexico, or whatever! This law got twisted into its present day meaning somehow a while back, I think by some activist judge, and it just kind of kept being applied in that way. But it was NEVER intended to be interpreted the way it is now. There was never an anchor baby law.</p>
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		<title>By: TX Minuteman</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/03/17/well/comment-page-2/#comment-28465</link>
		<dc:creator>TX Minuteman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Mar 2005 05:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, look you guys, when y&#039;all get all bogged down into trying to refute the claims about &quot;just seeking a better life,&quot; and, &quot;jobs that Americans won&#039;t do,&quot; you are playing right into their hands! Don&#039;t even go there with them! They already know it&#039;s not true, they&#039;re just baiting you. You already have the ACE OF SPADES in your hands, but no one ever uses it! It is this:

It doesn&#039;t matter if their claim is true or not!

BECAUSE:

There is NOTHING, ANYWHERE, in USC, Title 8 Sections 1324 and 1325, that says ANYTHING about &quot;...unless the alien is just seeking a better life,&quot; or, &quot;...unless the alien is coming to do a job that an American won&#039;t!&quot;

1324 - Bringing in and Harboring Certain Aliens

1325 - Improper Entry by Alien

You guys already have the most powerful weapon there is. You have the law, right there in black and white. They don&#039;t have the law, or anything else on their side, so they have to resort to the old trick of building a house of cards with their rhetoric and name calling, like racist. When they start with all that bull just whack &#039;em with 1324 and 1325, and their house will come crashing down - it cannot stand against the law!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, look you guys, when y&#8217;all get all bogged down into trying to refute the claims about &#8220;just seeking a better life,&#8221; and, &#8220;jobs that Americans won&#8217;t do,&#8221; you are playing right into their hands! Don&#8217;t even go there with them! They already know it&#8217;s not true, they&#8217;re just baiting you. You already have the ACE OF SPADES in your hands, but no one ever uses it! It is this:</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t matter if their claim is true or not!</p>
<p>BECAUSE:</p>
<p>There is NOTHING, ANYWHERE, in USC, Title 8 Sections 1324 and 1325, that says ANYTHING about &#8220;&#8230;unless the alien is just seeking a better life,&#8221; or, &#8220;&#8230;unless the alien is coming to do a job that an American won&#8217;t!&#8221;</p>
<p>1324 &#8211; Bringing in and Harboring Certain Aliens</p>
<p>1325 &#8211; Improper Entry by Alien</p>
<p>You guys already have the most powerful weapon there is. You have the law, right there in black and white. They don&#8217;t have the law, or anything else on their side, so they have to resort to the old trick of building a house of cards with their rhetoric and name calling, like racist. When they start with all that bull just whack &#8216;em with 1324 and 1325, and their house will come crashing down &#8211; it cannot stand against the law!</p>
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		<title>By: TX Minuteman</title>
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		<dc:creator>TX Minuteman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Mar 2005 04:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When Bush was about to go after Saddam, didn&#039;t he say something to the effect that he would never ask another country&#039;s permission to defend America? He doesn&#039;t seem too willing to defend us from this invasion without Fox&#039;s permission..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When Bush was about to go after Saddam, didn&#8217;t he say something to the effect that he would never ask another country&#8217;s permission to defend America? He doesn&#8217;t seem too willing to defend us from this invasion without Fox&#8217;s permission..</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Roberts</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/03/17/well/comment-page-2/#comment-28459</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Mar 2005 00:35:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stan-
There is a flip side in costs that are going to be paid for allowing them to remain in education, medical, public safety and services.  Either way, it will cost a lot of money.  If it costs a lot up front but saves us more money in the long run, is it worth it?  I don&#039;t see the costs curbing just by issuing an amnesty and then toughening the borders.

Perhaps a combination of amnesty through issuing worker permits and then removing those that do not comply?  It is a very thorny issue because a lot of people have vested interests in how this turns out, from companies who want cheaper sources of labor to those who see the drain that illegals place on our social services.  However, presently, the President is not upholding his duties to us by simply standing pat and allowing more and more to cross the border.  

This situation is almost out of control, and as I alluded to way earlier, it will take a bomb or other terrorist action to make the politicians make the tough choices.  It is a national security issue in addition to socially, and even more so since 9/11.

Because removing the illegal aliens costs a lot of money, should we make exceptions to the law?  Does that speak to our willingness to get by on the cheap as a society?  I think it does.  I see that currently here in my state of Texas as well as in Arizona as the state legislators continue to try and educate students on the cheap, as well as in other services.  Are we willing to pay the continued costs for illegal immigrants?  Amnesty will only encourage more to cross the border, as they will figure that since Reagan and Bush did it, eventually future Presidents will too grant amnesty.  15-20 years from now, we will likely be facing the same problem yet again, if the Bush administration takes the same course of action as Reagan did years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stan-<br />
There is a flip side in costs that are going to be paid for allowing them to remain in education, medical, public safety and services.  Either way, it will cost a lot of money.  If it costs a lot up front but saves us more money in the long run, is it worth it?  I don&#8217;t see the costs curbing just by issuing an amnesty and then toughening the borders.</p>
<p>Perhaps a combination of amnesty through issuing worker permits and then removing those that do not comply?  It is a very thorny issue because a lot of people have vested interests in how this turns out, from companies who want cheaper sources of labor to those who see the drain that illegals place on our social services.  However, presently, the President is not upholding his duties to us by simply standing pat and allowing more and more to cross the border.  </p>
<p>This situation is almost out of control, and as I alluded to way earlier, it will take a bomb or other terrorist action to make the politicians make the tough choices.  It is a national security issue in addition to socially, and even more so since 9/11.</p>
<p>Because removing the illegal aliens costs a lot of money, should we make exceptions to the law?  Does that speak to our willingness to get by on the cheap as a society?  I think it does.  I see that currently here in my state of Texas as well as in Arizona as the state legislators continue to try and educate students on the cheap, as well as in other services.  Are we willing to pay the continued costs for illegal immigrants?  Amnesty will only encourage more to cross the border, as they will figure that since Reagan and Bush did it, eventually future Presidents will too grant amnesty.  15-20 years from now, we will likely be facing the same problem yet again, if the Bush administration takes the same course of action as Reagan did years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: stan</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/03/17/well/comment-page-2/#comment-28455</link>
		<dc:creator>stan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Mar 2005 21:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just read an article in the San Diego Union-Tribune, which indicates that the terrorist threat from Canada is greater than the one from Mexico. But we see the same canard being used over and over regarding both borders; that sealing the borders will devastate trade. But it is the UNPROTECTED areas of the borders which need to be sealed, not the legitimate border crossings, which are relatively few and far between. I know of and know &quot;refugees&quot; from a certain African Muslim country who are presenting themselves at Tijuana for asylum in the U.S. If they&#039;re able to get there so easily, what&#039;s to keep the smart terrorists from easing their way east a bit and crossing over under the cover of darkness? By the way, I mentioned this and another alarming incident regarding an individual from this particular country to the FBI in the year after 9-11. They sounded uninterested on the phone and never got back to me for more details. We are REALLY at risk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just read an article in the San Diego Union-Tribune, which indicates that the terrorist threat from Canada is greater than the one from Mexico. But we see the same canard being used over and over regarding both borders; that sealing the borders will devastate trade. But it is the UNPROTECTED areas of the borders which need to be sealed, not the legitimate border crossings, which are relatively few and far between. I know of and know &#8220;refugees&#8221; from a certain African Muslim country who are presenting themselves at Tijuana for asylum in the U.S. If they&#8217;re able to get there so easily, what&#8217;s to keep the smart terrorists from easing their way east a bit and crossing over under the cover of darkness? By the way, I mentioned this and another alarming incident regarding an individual from this particular country to the FBI in the year after 9-11. They sounded uninterested on the phone and never got back to me for more details. We are REALLY at risk.</p>
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		<title>By: stan</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/03/17/well/comment-page-2/#comment-28454</link>
		<dc:creator>stan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Mar 2005 21:13:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim R,

Good post...the companies that hire &quot;illegals&quot; are themselves &quot;illegals.&quot;  And that is a separate issue. For now, national security trumps all. 
President Bush wants to do what President Reagan did...recognize all the illegals in the country and give them amnesty.  He just won&#039;t use the &quot;A&quot; word.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim R,</p>
<p>Good post&#8230;the companies that hire &#8220;illegals&#8221; are themselves &#8220;illegals.&#8221;  And that is a separate issue. For now, national security trumps all.<br />
President Bush wants to do what President Reagan did&#8230;recognize all the illegals in the country and give them amnesty.  He just won&#8217;t use the &#8220;A&#8221; word.</p>
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		<title>By: Renee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Renee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Mar 2005 17:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Part 4 in the series

&lt;em&gt;Sorry, Renee! The link was messing up the format. I don&#039;t know why this happens with some links and not others. - Admin&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Part 4 in the series</p>
<p><em>Sorry, Renee! The link was messing up the format. I don&#8217;t know why this happens with some links and not others. &#8211; Admin</em></p>
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		<title>By: Jim R</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/03/17/well/comment-page-2/#comment-28444</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Mar 2005 16:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Mexican people are here to work, and most do and try hard to get work when they are not. I believe welfare costs are well managed and low compared to &#039;special&#039; bilingual education, medical, and other social support costs due to the increased &#039;social&#039; problems that exist in poor environments, ie, police calls, legal/court, and detention(prison) costs.

The Mexican people are good hard working people with poor leaders in their own country. However, we can no longer afford the cost or security risks associated with their &#039;assisted&#039; export to America.

Some good news from the business(source) of the problem. Wal-Mart has just been fined 11 Million for outsourcing their janitorial service to a private contractor that was hiring illegal aliens, in order to reduce their employee costs. Their private contractor was fined 4 Million. 

This business fine should act as a very good deterrent for other businesses doing the same. That is, hiring illegal aliens indirectly by outsourcing jobs to &#039;private&#039; contractors, to try to avoid responsibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Mexican people are here to work, and most do and try hard to get work when they are not. I believe welfare costs are well managed and low compared to &#8216;special&#8217; bilingual education, medical, and other social support costs due to the increased &#8216;social&#8217; problems that exist in poor environments, ie, police calls, legal/court, and detention(prison) costs.</p>
<p>The Mexican people are good hard working people with poor leaders in their own country. However, we can no longer afford the cost or security risks associated with their &#8216;assisted&#8217; export to America.</p>
<p>Some good news from the business(source) of the problem. Wal-Mart has just been fined 11 Million for outsourcing their janitorial service to a private contractor that was hiring illegal aliens, in order to reduce their employee costs. Their private contractor was fined 4 Million. </p>
<p>This business fine should act as a very good deterrent for other businesses doing the same. That is, hiring illegal aliens indirectly by outsourcing jobs to &#8216;private&#8217; contractors, to try to avoid responsibility.</p>
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