Update II (3/25): The Schindler’s second appeal to Judge Whittemore fails. They appealed again to the 11th Circuit. The court will likely turn them away a second time.
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Liberals’ newfound respect for “federalism” is completely disingenuous. People who support a national policy on abortion are prohibited from ever using the word “federalism.”
I wholeheartedly agree, Ann.
During the Federal Marriage Amendment debate, liberals were suddenly supporter’s of “states’ rights.” Strangely enough, they couldn’t be bothered with it when the Supreme Court struck down a sodomy law in Texas. Or when the same court discovered a right to privacy to kill babies, despite state laws to the contrary. It seems that liberals favor states’ rights as long as death is involved. Except the deaths of convicted murderers, that is.
When the people of California approved Proposition 209, outlawing skin color discrimination in public admissions and hiring, liberals wanted a judge to strike it down. When the people of Arizona approved Proposition 200, a law that requires “proof of citizenship to register to vote, photo ID to vote, and proof of eligibility for non-federally mandated public benefits (welfare),” liberals wanted that law stricken, too. Do you see a pattern here?
When it comes to the protection of life, decency, fairness and American values in general, liberals dismiss the will of the people, preferring judge-made law. But when death, destruction, and indecency are in play, suddenly the will of the people is paramount. I got a kick out of reading the rambling posts of liberal bloggers pontificating about “the rule of law.” It was hysterical.
Meanwhile, Terri Schiavo starves. It’s been a week since her feeding tube was removed.
Captain Ed responds to a reader about Judge Greer. Lorie Byrd blogs in the wee hours. Also be sure to check out Wittenberg Gate. Gerry Phelps argues that providing food and water is not “artificial life support.” Wizbang says the case is over.
[M]illions of Blue State Baby Boomers are in line to inherit a bundle … but not if Mom or Dad lives forever or, especially, if his or her slowly declining health requires a fortune in expensive care. A nice quick fatal heart attack would do the trick, but with Lipitor and the like these days, oldsters are going slower.So, when you wonder why a lot of people, especially Democrats, are okay with starving Terri Schiavo to death instead of having her kept expensively alive, follow the money.
Update (11:08 a.m.): Supreme Court tells Schindlers to get lost. Governor Jeb Bush files for custody of Terri Schiavo. (Hat tip: Michelle Malkin)
I do not understand the emotionalism of the pull-the-tube people. What is driving their engagement? Is it because they are compassionate, and their hearts bleed at the thought that Mrs. Schiavo suffers? But throughout this case no one has testified that she is in persistent pain, as those with terminal cancer are.If they care so much about her pain, why are they unconcerned at the suffering caused her by the denial of food and water? And why do those who argue for Mrs. Schiavo’s death employ language and imagery that is so violent and aggressive? The chairman of the Democratic National Committee calls Republicans “brain dead.” Michael Schiavo, the husband, calls House Majority Leader Tom DeLay “a slithering snake.”
Everyone who has written in defense of Mrs. Schiavo’s right to live has received e-mail blasts full of attacks that appear to have been dictated by the unstable and typed by the unhinged. On Democratic Underground they crowed about having “kicked the sh– out of the fascists.” On Tuesday James Carville’s face was swept with a sneer so convulsive you could see his gums as he damned the Republicans trying to help Mrs. Schiavo. It would have seemed demonic if he weren’t a buffoon.
Why are they so committed to this woman’s death?
They seem to have fallen half in love with death.
Hugh Hewitt: “Congress is allowed to ‘intervene and guide or control the exercise of the courts’ discretion’ — except when it comes to Terri Schiavo.”
Bryan Preston: “We don’t err on the side of protecting anyone. We don’t protect the unborn. We don’t protect the nearly born and we’re edging closer to the edge of not protecting the recently born. Now we don’t protect those born 41 years ago, if they have suffered enough that a couple of doctors and a judge think her life is no longer worth living.”
Blogger Dan Edelen noticed something strange about Sojourners, a liberal Christian magazine. They are supposedly “concerned with the social gospel, peace and justice issue for those who have no voice,” Dan said. Guess what they had to say about Terri Schiavo?
Yet, with all of my moral outrage on this, I have to stop and ask myself if I am viewing this situation, and Michael in particular through a gospel-centered lens, or through a cross-centered lens?Viewing Michael through a cross-centered lens won’t change the sinfulness of his actions. Viewing Michael through a cross-centered lens won’t change our obligation to rescue those being led away to slaughter. Viewing Michael through a cross-centered lens won’t change our obligation to voice our opposition to the laws that make the starvation of a person like Terri possible.
But we are also faced with how we are to respond to Michael as a person. Put more precisely, how does the gospel guide our response to Michael as a person? If all should go his way, how should the Christian community react to him in the future?
From funny man Scott Ott:
Judge Greer suspended the Florida constitution and issued a declaration of ‘judicial law’ for the good of the people. His edict moves the official seat of government to his Pinnellas County courtroom….The coup comes during a month in which Judge Greer twice overruled the governor and state legislature in order to carry out his decree to slowly execute Terri Schiavo, a woman who has come to symbolize the oppressive reign of Christian conservatives.
CBS undercuts its own reporting on Terri Schiavo.
Watch the big bloggers (Hugh Hewitt, John Hinderaker and Glenn Reynolds) duke it out on “Kudlow and Company.”
Update: Since George Bush is such a friend to lawbreakers, he should become one himself and save Terri Schiavo’s life despite whatever edicts have been handed down. But he won’t. Terri will die, and he and Vicente Fox will drink a toast to their amnesty plan.
I’m listening to Michael Savage, who says (paraphrased): You mean to tell me that a swamp judge in Florida (Judge Greer, Schiavo trial judge) is more powerful than the most powerful man in the world (G. Bush)? Or the United States Congress? And his brother Jeb Bush can send in the state troopers right now if he wanted to.
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I agree with some of what you say stan, however, it starts well before that. The people you call out as being “talk is cheap” are some of the ones fighting it or trying ot get the dialogue where it starts… the home and the schools. If the women are on their way to an abortion clinic, I wouldn’t say it is “a little late” but there was a step A that occured (I mean, they didn’t just wake up pregnant). Where were we when they took prayer and religious studies out of schools? Where were we when sex eduation started in the schools? Where are we when they are handing out condoms like aspirin? And where are we “really” now that they are trying to tell us what to teach our children in our homes?
Hanging out at the aborion clinic is good, but it started well before that.
Stan wrote, “But I guess that I’m not willing to say that all the polls are showing that Americans are stupid, uninformed, cowardly and unable to think for themselves.”
Nobody but YOU Stan (and some other liberals)
that the polls are showing that American are stupid…etc. I’m not saying it. I’m saying that the media AND YOU are consistently misrepresenting the core question on this Terri Shaivo case. If YOU and the media keep asking as if Terri is PVS and as if Terri’s had help for 15 years, etc. Then you are missing the point about the lack of help Terri has had. Michael has made it impossible for Terri to recover by PROHIBITING and rehabilitative efforts from occurring to the point of keeping her room’s blinds closed.
You asked me to prove it. I’ll prove it. I love a challenge.
Answer these questions:
1) What is the effect of lowering taxes on all who pay income taxes on the economy?
2) What is the effect of a recession on revenues into the government?
3) What is Bush’s policy in one summed up sentence on Stem Cell research and how is it diffent from the previous administration?
4) What did Bush say on the Iraq war that was different than what French Intelligence, British Intelligence, German Int, Russian Int, Clinton, and Kerry said in one sentence?
Renee,
I agree with you on those needs but its not “hanging out at the abortion clinic…”, its offering women that last chance in the name of Jesus. You and I can’t do much about those other issues but we can offer a last chance hope, can’t we? If we focused just on what’s wrong in the schools, culture, etc. why would we ever offer anyone a last chance? “Hanging out at the abortion clinic…” is not a good thing, it is an absolute imperative and conservatives and conservative evangelicals are notorious for talking the talk, but not walking the walk on this issue. We do a fair job with crisis pregnancy centers but that’s about it. CWA, Focus and others are taking in multi-millions but are not mobilizing an effort to put shoes on the streets. And many evangelical churches are diametrically opposed to “last chance” efforts. Haven’t we ever heard the story of the Good Samaritan? Aren’t these little ones our neighbors? Shouldn’t the love of God be extended to their moms one last time? This has always been the conservative mantra…blame the schools, blame the liberals, say that laws won’t change the heart, etc. I didn’t buy it in the middle 60s nor do I buy it now.
Dan Edelen is exactly right on Sojourners.
stan,
No one said don’t address those at the abortion clinics. I said, we can no longer fail to ignore the root of the problem. Addressing the abortion clinic is only addressing the syptom of an action that has already occured.
And I don’t know of any church that I deal with that is “diametrically” opposed to last chance efforts (as my mother and I both volunteer at a Preganancy Crisis center run by Chrisitan churches in the area. If you do, you should be talking with them about it (as Brothers in Christ), not sitting back thinking your way of foxing it is better.
Baklava,
#1…for the most part positive
#2…negative
#3…I think the President’s policy on stem cell research is too liberal.
#4…nothing
That was easy wasn’t it…
Now you answer 3 for me…
Do you support those who are carrying on a vigil and protesting at Terri’s hospice?
Have you ever spent time in front of an abortion clinic calling out to the ladies that God loves them and their babies and that He can find a way when there is no way?
Do you know where the nearest abortion clinic to your house is?
Everyone I have talked with about Terri Schiavo were under the impression that Terri was on a ventilator and that this was a simple case of unplugging the equipment that was keeping her alive. They also do not doubt Michael Schiavo’s statement about Terri wanting to die and not live in this state.
After I tell them this is not the case, that Terri is responsive, has never had an MRI or PET scan to determine PVS, has been denied any therapy and that her husband came up with the “I would want to die” story eight years after this all started, they are shocked. I’m constantly asked why this isn’t being reported in the news and I have to tell them that MSM just isn’t interested in the facts of the story.
Bostonian: You shouldn’t worry about having a pro-life opinion on this because you are an atheist. Many years ago the head of the National Right to Life was an atheist. Desiring life is part of our design.
Renee
The press has done a write everyday on how painless Starvations is.
Maybe instead of lethal injection we could switch to starvation for all the death row inmates.
The bigger issue here is Total government control of every aspect of life, and this is the eutopia the press is after, they walk in lock-step with the left.
Renee,
Be careful of saying that I’m “foxing it” (whatever that means). I can name a whole bunch of churches in my area that are diametrically opposed and they are strong, well-known evangelical churches with international recognition. They expressly forbid their people to sidewalk counsel. I didn’t say anything negative about crisis pregnancy centers. They are and have been a Godsend to thousands. I didn’t criticize efforts to change the schools, legislation, etc. I’m all for that. I DID say that we should be aggressive in reaching out to the ladies at the very end. Its coldhearted NOT to do so. The empty sidewalks in front of U.S. abortion cliniics will be all the evidence that God needs to condemn us on OUR last day. Who then will call out to us?
“Do you support those who are carrying on a vigil and protesting at Terri’s hospice?” Hm. I haven’t thought about that. There is part of me that doesn’t support it because it is Judge Greer who is doing the disservice and the hospice is simply trying to not be held in contempt.
Have you ever spent time in front of an abortion clinic calling out to the ladies that God loves them and their babies and that He can find a way when there is no way? Nope. And never will. I have two children (5 and
and before that served in the military for 6 years and have felt that there is no room for me to RISK either my service or time that I should be spending with my children. Also, I simply do not believe it is productive to be yelling out to women who are in a time of need. The hysteria of the situation doesn’t help anything.
Do you know where the nearest abortion clinic to your house is? Yes.
Stan,
I wish I could bring myself to apologize for intimating that you are liberal. But I can’t. You continuously get the facts wrong and hurl accusations against people that aren’t true. It is possible for one to be misinformed but still have conservative principles. Misinformation. Humanity’s struggle is against confusion. It seems to me that your perception of conservatives or perception of some individuals is off because of misinformation.
It’s OK. It has happened to us all. We’ve all been misinformed. Through conversation we can all come around to some agreements but maybe some disagreements. But at least we can all be more informed.
I’m glad in the other thread you came around on the conservative business owners meme hiring illegal immigrants.
Maybe I’ll come around on something to show good faith. Unfortunately, I just don’t see where Judge Greer considered information from the Schindlers, any other judge considered any other information that Judge Greer didn’t and I don’t see how the POLLS are asking questions with true premises in this instance. Even you admitted for a glimpse of a second that the polls are off on the premise, but then you went back to the volume of polls showing the same thing means something to you.
Well yeah. It means something but they don’t relate to the Terri case.
Tanny wrote, “they are shocked.”
This has been my point. If someone isn’t informed about Terri, of course they are going to answer a whole different way on the poll question that has the words persistent vegitative state for 15 years in it.
Stan do you see it yet?
The lack of teaching in the home stan will be all God needs also …
Mark,
The comments regarding how Painless and what peaceful sleep you fall inot when being starved to death, make my stomach turn. I’m sorry but it is not rocket science (and we don’t need a PhD to know that it is painful). But then, the media thinks we are all dumb hicks.
That Scrappleface piece (Scott Ott) is hilarious!
“Hmm, judgeship automatically means infallable status. WOW!”
there are processes for appeal, ways of reviewing judicial determinations of fact and law. those have happend over the last several years.
Patterico asks – “I have another question for the “Terri Schiavo should be allowed to die†crowd. Do you oppose an attempt to feed her liquid, to see if she can swallow it on her own? If so, why?”
Is there an answer from you folks who think Terri should be “allowed to die”? Let’s hear it…
Judge Greer denied the parents request on March 8th to feed and give water to Terri by natural means on March 8th.
http://www.terrisfight.net/documents/030805orderdenyfood.pdf
Mark Twain reportedly said, “The law is an ass.”
I’ve been thinking that a lot today.
When asked about life in pain versus death, Winston Churchill reportedly said he would choose to live because, “Death is the only thing you can’t get out of.” (As an atheist, I wholeheartedly concur!!!)
Most of all, I am struck by the number of people who think that living in a very brain-damaged state must necessarily be so horrible that death is better. Therefore, these people think, it is proper to err on the side of death rather than life.
Am I going to have to tattoo “Do everything you can” on my chest?!
The only thing I can imagine wanting to get out of (by dying) is if I had control of my mind but not my body. I think that in all such cases, the person can still move his or her eyes and communicate in rudimentary fashion. This would mean that there is the possibility of asking for assisted suicide. It is really not necessary for someone else to decide it for me, thank you very much.
Stan & Baklava, for what it’s worth, I think you’re both a bit worked up at each other when you don’t need to be.
Ain’t my blog, ain’t my business. I’m just sayin’.
Renee,
You are so tragically wrong…read the parable of the Good Samaritan again…God hates the shedding of innocent blood…the lack of good teaching in the home pales by comparison. If it was just the lack of good teaching, why would anyone even need Jesus? We could make that same argument for Terri…she married a loser…she became fat…she became bulimic..she messed up her body….where was the teaching in her home…didn’t she get proper dietary instruction at home or proper teaching as to how to pick a good spouse? Of course, we don’t make those arguments. I know that you’re a Christian but think a little bit…those of us who are not out in front of the abortion mills…well, the babies’ blood is on ALL of our hands and God will take His vengeance on us and our country.
Baklava,
I didn’t come around on illegals…I just agreed with you that subcontractors paid part of the fine.
With regard to folks at the hospice, at least you’re being honest…
With regards to standing in front of abortion mills…you’ve basically said that you are a coward …at least you’re being honest…that’s why talk is cheap…you’re afraid to take a risk…I can understand that, too.,..but my friends and I did, are and will…and I hope that some compassionate folks are in front of the abortion mill near your home…the ladies and their babies sure won’t be given a last chance by you….
I gave you honest answers to honest questions and you’re still sneering…enough with you.
stan,
Please read the ENTIRE bible and not the parts you like.
I am done with this conversation
Bostonian,
Thanks
You lost Stan,
I will not inform you you anymore. Therefore you lost. You do not like to learn about what you are so often mischaracterizing or mistating. These are habits of liberals and that is why I branded you as one.
BYE !
Come on, B. Let’s keep things friendly.
My point was that Stan is very very very judgmental.
He judges people as if he were God.
He should take this as a lesson to stop.
And why? Because he continuously makes erroneous judgments.
I apologize to the hostess (La Shawn) for allowing the erroneous judgmental people of the world to push me into unfriendliness.
That must be only you, Bak
Stan and I seem to get along just fine.
People lose sight of the fact that our democratic law gets its basis from the respect for life. The furthering of an agenda that allows death, assisted death, and abortion chips away at our basic freedoms.
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