“Yesterday Joshua spoke with Senate staffers who claim that an aide to Democratic senator Harry Reid distributed to memo.”

OOPS.

Credebility issues?

Last update: April 6, 2005 at 11:57 PM
Senator’s aide was author of Schiavo memo
Mike Allen, Washington Post
April 7, 2005 MEMO0407

WASHINGTON, D.C. — The legal counsel to Sen. Mel Martinez, R-Fla., admitted that he was the author of a memo citing the political advantage to Republicans of intervening in the case of Terri Schiavo, the senator said in an interview Wednesday.

Brian Darling, 39, a former lobbyist for the Alexander Strategy Group on gun rights and other issues, offered his resignation Wednesday and it was immediately accepted, Martinez said.

He said he had been assured by aides that his office had nothing to do with producing the memo. “I never did an investigation, as such,” Martinez, the GOP’s Senate front man on the issue, said. “I just took it for granted that we wouldn’t be that stupid. It was never my intention to in any way politicize this issue.”

Martinez, a freshman who was secretary of Housing and Urban Development for most of President Bush’s first term, said he had not read the one-page memo. He said he inadvertently passed it to Sen. Tom Harkin, D-Iowa, who had worked with him on the issue. After that, officials gave the memo to reporters for ABC News and the Washington Post.

Harkin said in an interview that Martinez handed him the memo on the Senate floor, in hopes of gaining his support for the bill giving federal courts jurisdiction in the Florida right-to-die case. “He said these were talking points — something that we’re working on here,” Harkin said.

The case centered on the fight between Schiavo’s husband and her parents over removing her feeding tube 15 years after she suffered severe brain damage that left her brain dead. Schiavo, 41, died last Thursday in a Florida hospice, 13 days after the feeding tube was removed. During the interim, federal courts repeatedly rejected what Republicans said was the intent of the bill: to have the tube reinserted and prolong Schiavo’s life.

The mystery of the memo’s origin had roiled the Capitol. Republicans accused Democrats of concocting the document as a dirty trick; Democrats accused Republicans of trying to duck responsibility for exploiting the dying days of an incapacitated woman.

Conservative Web logs have challenged the authenticity of the unsigned memo that includes eight talking points in support of the bill and calls the controversy “a great political issue.”

The document was provided to ABC News on March 18 and to the Post on March 19 and was included in news reports about congressional intervention in the case. Bush returned from an Easter holiday in Texas and signed the bill shortly after 1 a.m. on March 21.

Martinez said he also had apologized to Sen. Bill Nelson, D-Fla., who faces reelection in 2006 and was cited in the memo because he had declined to become a sponsor of the bill.

Darling had no comment Wednesday night.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

In other words, they have repudiated Richard Nixon’s “Southern Strategy,” which wrote off black voters in a quest to turn the Solid South into a Republican redoubt. While that strategy worked for Nixon, it cost the GOP dearly in the long run.

If it were only Nixon’s, then why would only “his strategy” harm the entire GOP? Why is it that the GOP still went after the Jewish vote, who voted 80-85% for Democrats while ignoring the Black vote?

Stated in context “Richard Nixon’s strategy”.

Who else’s strategy did Snow say it was?

Nobody elses. That my friend is the truth. Can you place a name on who elses strategy it was besides Nixon’s or some other Republican in that era? No. You can’t. You haven’t.

You failed to show reasonableness again.

You continued to make allegations again.

Yes. In my search our discussion was the 4th web site. Pretty bad when us lowlifes are 4th on the list on a non-relevant discussion about what Tony Snow referenced about SS in the past by Nixon and repudiation of that strategy today.

Muhahahaha!

Context is everything. You are plain wrong. Here’s the quote you provided in context of the 2000 Republican convention:

After years in the political hinterlands, Republicans finally have discovered they can’t win elections without appealing to hearts and they can’t woo undecided voters unless they put forward a face that looks like a cola commercial — filled with men and women, whites, blacks, Asian-Americans, Hispanics, you name it.

The next move falls to George W. Bush. He not only must pursue Powell-esque outreach; he also needs to push aside convention-hall cant and translate the smile-button alliteration of “compassionate conservatism” into something not merely concrete — he has developed the policy blueprint — but easy to grasp and understand.

You didn’t provide enough of a quote.

And in my search, it was the 2nd link in Google.

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/tony/snow080200.asp

I’ve presented information that demonstrates it was in use until around 2000. I’ve said as much. You keep saying 1964. I’ve shown it after that. Who is not seeing whose side?

No, I wrote you trust politicans of your stripe. That doesn’t mean you don’t trust politicans not of your type.

I like oranges. It doesn’t mean I don’t like apples.

You just can’t come to face the facts that people SEE THINGS different from you

That would not be true. That’s what you assume, but you are definitely wrong. I asked you to not put words to my keyboard.

And why not just talk about ideas and policy and whatnot?

I do and I have.

Why do you have to sink to the level of judging people like you do

Pot. Kettle. Black.
You apply the “liberal” label to me and go off on your tanget assuming I think a certain way when I don’t. I’ve gone to some lengths to demonstrate where I agree with LaShawn.

What IS your philosophy?

I can’t classify it because I believe it covers the spectrum. When ever I’ve stated that, you and others have told me I’m liberal.

But you continually almost every post you do digress into a name calling judgmental way of wording things.

That would be wrong.

Saying politicians are ammoral at best and probably immoral is not name calling. It is a belief that I have come up with after years of watching politicians, dealing with politicians when I’ve called or written them, and listening to politicians who have left the realm of politics. Dick Armey’s last year in office allowed him to speak freely about the system. Armey showed contempt for the political body that he was leaving.

On Gov. Allen, during his term he got passed changes in the Virginia judicial system that made it harder for defendents to get a fair trial. He pushed for, and got, a stream lining of death row appeals. Virginia is now at the point where Virginia politicians are looking at the death penalty process because a number of cases have been successfully appealled. For example, Virginia wanted to destroy evidence to prevent DNA testing. A judge seized the evidence and had it tested. It turned out that the DNA did not come from the person on death row. He was released.

Awesome work…I’m learning a lot from you.

“Southern Strategy” “Tony Snow”

the 4th web site that comes up is La Shawn’s and DS’s and my discussion about it.

For you folks who haven’t been turned off yet. Tony Snow’s article (I’ve mentioned this to DS – but he don’t care) talked about 1964 not anything in the present.

This text in the article “In other words, they have repudiated Richard Nixon’s “Southern Strategy,” which wrote off black voters in a quest to turn the Solid South into a Republican redoubt. While that strategy worked for Nixon, it cost the GOP dearly in the long run.” shows clearly that Tony Snow was referencing a strategy of Nixon and not of present.

As long as I’ve been interested in politics (since 1991) and as long as I’ve been born alive basically the CONSERVATIVE message has been a principled message aimed at ALL americans.

Unfortunately today as La Shawn has pointed out, Republicans are starting to pander to specific groups and not fall in line with what the conservative message should be.

As I’ve said before, Republicans are to the LEFT of center (just not as far to the left as Democrats).

Conservatives are just a little to the right and or centrists like me. I believe in a frozen amount of expenditures by the government for ten years while the government reprioritizes what it spends on. Let the private sector do things like stem cell research or many other things. Let the government do what it was tasked with doing. Unfortunately Republicans are to the right of that position because the BUDGET grows every year for over 60 years no matter who is in office (Democrats or Republicans). Yet there are some who think that Republicans are extreme right and Democrats are to the left). Libertarians are to the extremem right (they want an 80% cut in government). Anarchists are to the extreme right (they want no government – very few of these people).

You want to believe that SS is some widespread general way of operating when I didn’t hear about it for 14 years until a LIBERAL mentioned it then fine. YOu continue to be that way.

Instead of looking at my perspective that I’ve been active in politics and realizing, “My Gosh, here’s a guy who has been active in politics and hasn’t run across anyone talking about SS. That must be how LITTLE influence SS has today. I guess it’s OVER and has been over for awhile. I guess those Wepublicans were referencing something in the PAST maybe”.

But you don’t realize. You continue to take something that existed to some extent in 1964 and extend it to a HUGE judgemental way of living for you today.

I think you should be judged as harshly as you judge others…..

You digressed the conversation. You’ll insist that I’m naive. You’ll insist that I only trust the politicians of my stripe when that isn’t true (for instance I trusted Douglas Wilder). You’ll insist that I’m not paying attention.

You just can’t come to face the facts that people SEE THINGS different from you and people don’t believe you see things very well either.

You want to judge people harshly and incorrectly based on your immersion into whatever judgmental way of life you have. And why not just talk about ideas and policy and whatnot? Why do you have to sink to the level of judging people like you do (especially incorrectly).

It doesn’t WIN people to your philosopy.

What IS your philosophy? Why not just say, George Allen believes such and such and I disagree with him. You can even say what he believes is WRONG. But you continually almost every post you do digress into a name calling judgmental way of wording things.

I honestly hope you learn from MY PERSPECTIVE of what you do.

When Republicans give it credibility, why should I not give it credibilty? A nationally respected Republican backer, Tony Snow, writes about it and not one criticizes the man. He said it on Rush Limbaugh’s show when he used to substitute host for Rush Limbaugh and no one criticized him. Mary Matalin said it on talking head shows and her radio show, when she had it, and no one critizes her. A Black Republican who headed the African American outreach campaign states it on a regular basis and no one criticizes it.

You want to ignore it, fine, your choice.

I just think they have different ideas mostly.

Of course they do.

George Allen for instance

I’ve heard some of his speeches. I consider him ammoral at best.

There are only a FEW politicians who have taken their quest for power (in my view) to unethical and illegal ends.

Then you don’t pay attention.

I do not question their motives like liberals do.

Then you are ripe for a set up and fall. It will come. You are putting your faith in men/women who are on the national stage and seek to be on the national stage. By defintion, they have an inflated self-ego and don’t suffer criticism well.

Liberals and the media will question conservatives and/or Republicans motives for just trying to SLOW the increase in spending by the government.

So, when did conservatives in congress slow the growth of gov’t in, say, the past 4 years. Why did conservative Republicans support the milk subsidies? Why have conservative Republicans not pushed for the elimination of the AMT which key Democrats have said needs to be done away with?

We come at this from diffent angles.

Correct. You are partisan and I’m not. And that’s the crux of the problem.

I hope you understand. Maybe I�m naive. I just don�t believe so.

You trust politicans of “your stripe”. Yes, you are naive.

SS being used by .0000001% of Republicans during Reagans term doesn’t bother me. I disagree with Republicans if they don’t have a message of equal opportunity for all Americans. Equal opportunity for all americans is the principled message that conservatives believe in and to the extent that Republicans aren’t falling in line with that conservative message, I disagree with those single Republicans.

That’s just it.

The Terry Shiavo “Talking points memo” doesn’t bother me. I don’t know who wrote it. I’ll defend generalizations by leftist leaning accusers and allegors. I’ll show people the evidence that it wasn’t a memo that came from a Senator or thier office.

And maybe that’s the difference between us Darkstar. You stated, “but I think most politicans have no credibility. I’ll go further to say that most politicans are ammoral at best and probably immoral.

If you give SS and the “Terri talking points memo” so much credibility, it may be what contributes to your feeling that politicians have “no credibility”.

I just think they have different ideas mostly. George Allen for instance (I’ve shaken his hand and heard him give speeches) and Tom McClintock (here in CA who I’ve attended lunches with….. have different ideas than pick a liberal Democrat. There are only a FEW politicians who have taken their quest for power (in my view) to unethical and illegal ends.

I give Tom McClintock, George Allen, Ward Connerly , and plenty others lots of respect and credibility. I do not question their motives like liberals do. Liberals and the media will question conservatives and/or Republicans motives for just trying to SLOW the increase in spending by the government.

Time and time again, I find out the facts and I see the liberals and dominant press’s ideas of what’s right and wrong led them to judge and report about conservatives and/or Republicans inaccurately and incorrectly.

We are in a new age. An information war age. You’ve been at this a long time. So have I. We come at this from diffent angles. I hope you understand. Maybe I’m naive. I just don’t believe so.