That’s not true. In fact many of the Black farmers showed proof that their worthiness for loans were equal to those of white farmers.

And how was it proven? Just like the firefighters case this thread is about. Discrimination was “proven” by the results. Whites got more loans than blacks therfore it HAD to be discrimination! “Credit had nothing to do with it.” This is ABSURD! What the black applicants all had in common is the fact that they were denied credit at some point. They were denied cerdit based on INDIVIDUAL decisions. NOT because of their skin color. The fact that some trial lawyer conned some jury is nothing new. Especially when the government is the one being sued. John Edwards vs. some kid fresh out of law school. It’s not too hard to guess the outcome.
President Regan’s decision to compensate Japanese for their detention during WWII was another example of this bogus “racism.” Michelle Malkins book on this subject is spot on! Huge payments to spys and the families of spys. No payment for the internment of non-Japanese! Yes Darkstar, discrimination was “proven” in this case as well. It was proven by “some court!”

Wrong facts. Black farmers got the settlements after proving racial discrimination in lending practices of the USDA. Credit rating had nothing to do with it.

but more Republicans signed the Civil Rights Act than did Democrats.

More Dems. signed than Republicans. Republicans signed in a higer percentage.

Similarly, Lincoln’s Emancipation Proclamation

Only freed slaves in the “rebellious states”.

Like the students in Shaker Heights, Ohio, he has given us the dogma of African American culture. The late professor Ogbu’s study of the performance problem concluded, African American culture is not conducive to excellence in education.

http://www.mdcbowen.org/p2/rm/debunk/dDSouza01.htm

Emerge January 1997
page 65

As a final illustration of the weak factual basis for the arguments in D’Souza’s book, consider his claims that Black students and their parents are alienated from the education process and that peer groups among African-American youngsters systematically ridicule those blacks who seem interested in academics, accusing them of “acting White.” His evidence is almost entirely anecdotal: In once case he cites a 10 year old anthropological study, based on a single high school, and in another instance, he refers to a magazine article published in 1985 by two people, neither of whom claim to be scholars. Better sources than these do not support D’Souza’s claims.

Duke University researcher Philip Cook and Jens Ludwig, an assistant professor at Georgetown University, recently have analyzed the National Educational Longitudinal Survey, a large national 1990 survey of high school students, in search of systematic evidence of black alienation from the educational process. They found Black students as likely as Whites to predict that they will obtain a college degree; found no racial difference in the dropout rate, once one controls for family circumstances; found that black highschool students cut classes and miss school days no more frequently than White students, and observed that Black parents participate in meetings and ask teachers about their children’s progress with roughly the same frequency as Whites.

Moreover, Black students who achieve an A in math courses or who are invited to join their high school honor societies, did not report feeling themselves to be any less popular as a result. This research, employing a nationally representative sample to investigate (and reject) one of the racial stereotypes around with D’Souza builds so much of his case, shows graphically why we should not unquestioningly rely on sensational, journalistic accounts when discussing purported racial disparities in American society.

Weighing the “Burden of `Acting White’”: Are There Race Differences in Attitudes Towards Education?

Are you aware of the high scores attained by many foreign blacks on these tests? And this is without the interracial adoption you speak of.

But, I am open to seeing to being converted by facts. But, first, let’s see them. ”

I am well aware of the high test scores that some African blacks acheive. But I am also aware that African immigrants are generally high-IQ, self-selected types. Go to http://www.allafrica.com, a news website for Africans, by Africans, and search the term “brain drain” and you will see that Africa, like much of the third world, has a big problem with the high-IQ segment of its societies leaving for greener pastures in the West.

I am also aware that black africans, on average, score 75 on culturally fair IQ tests, whereas Europeans score 100 and northeast Asians score around 105. If this is due to cultural bias as is commonly alleged, then why do northeast Asians score so high on a test that is supposedly biased towards its white creators? Read the book “IQ and the Wealth of Nations”- though the data isn’t entirely complete, it is the most comprehensive study of IQ in ethnic and racial groups worldwide that we have, and its findings are as I have posted here.

Black Americans score an average of 85 on an IQ test, which suggests, as steve sailer has pointed out, that nutrition and other environmental influences are shaving 15 points of black Africans mean IQ. Still, there remains a 15 point IQ gap between blacks and whites which stubbornly remains in cases of interracial adoption. (In other words, blacks adopted by whites still have IQs about 15 points lower than their white peers).

The best database for all this info on the net is at Gene Expression, which is at http://www.gnxp.com. Go there and do the relevant search and you will find all the info you need, laid out far better and far more comprehensively than I ever could. Also, the site is run by South Asians, East Asians, whites and Jews, so no worries about it being a closeted White Supremacist site.

Please understand that there is no triumphalism in this post. Yes I’m white but I don’t lord it over blacks when whites do better any more than I get angry at Asians when they do better than whites. What matters in a free society is the individual, and there are plenty of brilliant blacks and stupid whites. Regardless, such research is relevant when discussing group differences and it needs to be put out there.

I see just as much a problem with teachers who do not engage the parents as parents who aren’t involved. In Irving (home of the Dallas Cowboys), the students have started an initiative to get the parents involved.

Only by attacking the source of the weed will a weed truly die. You pull off the top of the weed, it will grow right back. Right now we’re pulling the top of the weeds, not getting to the root. It is short-sighted, self-serving idiocy that does not help future generations.

If you read my post carefully, I said that the southern Democrats started changing to the Republican Party. I did NOT say that their Senators and Reps. changed. The underlying racist sentiments stayed the same and found a haven in the Republican Party. I’m not sure why you’re having a beef with me on this…this is all historical fact and part of political strategy. All parties do it. Southern whites became a “special interest” group for the Republican Party just as blacks and Hispanics have for the Dems. Thurmond was a precursor to this movement.

“Just like I thought…” How does that help? All those Republicans in the South had to come from somewhere didn’t they? They came from southern Democrats switching to the Republican Party in presidential elections. They were still happy to be represented by Dixiecrats at the local level because their views were still being represented…that has begun to change in the last 15-20 years.

Byrd is one who didn’t switch. Where are the others?

Stan, since you’re the one who raised the issue, the onus is on you to tell us who they are, not on Renee to tell who they aren’t. – Admin

I understand why Southerners have abandoned the Democratic Party recently and who could blame them. But that is not why the trend started in the first place in the 60s. The language that Wallace used was not subtle but the language of the Nixon and Reagan administration was. But southern whites knew what they were saying. They found comfort in the Republican Party because of their own hatred for Northern and Western Dems, who were pushing civil rights. You were not born when the civil rights movement started in earnest. I watched all these folks on TV and read about them in the magazines and newspapers. The fact that the Republican Party gave them aid and comfort was the main reason I departed from the party in which I was raised and have yet to come back. Northern and Western Republicans were helpful in enacting legislation, not Southerners of any ilk.

They are currenlty working on a project to get some of the parents more involved (go so far as to actually working on their education also because some of the parents skills are lower than the childrens).

Other than that, well… as long as “man” looks to “man” to fix his own problems, with no goal in mind except to satisfy self…

we will always have the problem (Interesting how all these problems seemed to magnify on a continuing bases the more we took God out equation… could there possibly be a correlation?)

The ability to read and write well is the biggest guarantor of future success, isn’t it? And what to do with the parents…it’s a monstrous problem.