Liberals who do not like Lott’s findings in his numerous studied related to firearms have been trying to discredit him for years. They have not (let me repeat that, they have NOT) been able to do so.

I would like to know specifically where you have obtained information (actual viable information, not some liberal snow job) that proves that John Lott has ever perpetrated any acedemic fraud in any of his work.

In fact, I can verify that much of what he has found in his numerous studies parallels what I and other career police officers have found to be the case both anecdotally and through direct experience.

Baldilocks,

According to Darwin – “Man has been studied more carefully than any other animal, and yet there is the greatest possible diversity amongst capable judges whether he should be classed as a single species or race, or as two (Virey), as three (Jacquinot), as four (Kant), five (Blumenbach), six (Buffon), seven (Hunter), eight (Agassiz), eleven (Pickering), fifteen (Bory St. Vincent), sixteen (Desmoulins), twenty-two (Morton), sixty (Crawfurd), or as sixty- three, according to Burke. This diversity of judgment does not prove that the races ought not to be ranked as species, but it shews that they graduate into each other, and that it is hardly possible to discover clear distinctive characters between them.”

No modern geneticist or sociologist worth his salt believes in the four divisions as you mention, this is an old 19th century theory that has been debunked…

A more salient example is myself…9/16 white 6/16 black and 1/16 native american…am I a caucazoid or negroid?…

There are whole populations and people groups of “mixed” heritage, such as the Northern Sudanese who are a composite of arabic (which would be considered mongolian) and african (negroid) what are they?

Those are just a few examples, more could be named…

That is why I asked you what is “black” because most of the studies on muscle density are done on african-AMERICANS who are uniquely different than African’s proper because of the tremendous racial diversity in the background of the African American.

So as we discuss genetic diversity and the phenotypes, it is important to recognize that there is no large group homogeny amongst “races”.

In terms of IQ…this myth has been debunked as well in studies that show IQ is as much related to environment, the nature of the test, if not more so than genetics. References can be provided although that is outside of the scope of this thread.

Wow! If you’re right in that “Asians” have lower-testerone, then my hats off to them, especially the Chinese. There are 1.3 billion of them in China and millions more in every city of the world. To have reproduced in this fashion against all genetic odds…and to have us buying all their stuff so that we have a massive trade debt with them…to be filling our colleges and universities…to be excelling in gymnastics and diving…and leading the American League in hitting… What is it that whites do well any way? And hats off to La Shawn and other black bloggers, liberal and conservative, who have overcome their mental deficiencies. My vote is for the Chinese as the master race. Zhonguo ren, women ai nimen.

Black and white are not scientific terms, so they mean different things to differnt people. If we’re going to get technical we ought to use caucasian, negroid and mongoloid. These are the three major racial divisions of man, with other possible races being African pygmies and Australian aborigines.

There are different facets of intelligence but when most people speak of intelligence they are speaking of “G”, or “general intelligence”, which is measurable and is measured through IQ tests. Childhood “G” correlates very strongly with social-economic status in adulthood. “G” is measured by the army in admissions to weed out insufficiently intelligent recruits.

My point remains that intelligence is real, strength is real, and if we are going to say that if the members of one race are generally stronger than another, then why can we not say that the members of one race are generally more intelligent than another? Why can the races differ in average strength but not intelligence? The bran is an organ like any other, subject to sexual selection and genetic drift…

At the risk of redundancy, with the assumption that you did not read my post…I will ask you two questions…

1st – What does it mean to be “black” with the follow up of what does it mean to be “negroid”…

2nd – What does it mean to be “white”…

Secondly in regard to intelligence and evolutionary trade offs…what is intelligence, how is it measure and defined?

Not to be picky, but I don’t think pygmies are classified as “Negroids” just because they live in Africa. They are too genetically different, and make up their own classification.

Good points, though. There is significant genetic diversity within races themselves. Still, if the overwhelming majority of East Asians – Chinese (all 1 billion of them), Japanese, Koreans and so on – are generally low-testosterone, you can make a qualified generalization about “East Asian” muscle mass.

The reason people flip out over this sort of a thing can be found in Stan’s comment:

“it’s just that some of these differences have been used by racists in the past to imply that blacks have superior sexual prowess, less intellectual capacity, more “brute strength, etc.”

Well, brute strength is just physical strength. So yes, if blacks have more muscle mass and more testosterone on average than whites, than they will have more “brute” strength than whites. Am I racist?

And come to think of it, if blacks can be stronger, on average, than whites as a result of genetics (and it seems pretty clear to me that testosterone levels and muscle mass are largely tied to genetics – yes you can work out to gain mass and psychological events can influence testosterone production, but in both cases there is nevertheless a significant and undeniable genetic component), why can’t whites and Asians be more intelligent than blacks on average for similar reasons?

Logically, if you believe that blacks are stronger than whites on average AND also as intelligent as whites on average, you actually believe that blacks are the master race. On the other hand, if you believe that blacks are generally stronger than whites but also generally somewhat less intelligent, you believe that there has been an evolutionary tradeoff between brains and brawn and that no race is superior to the another, overall. Which is the more racist sentiment?

“Black people” have greater muscle mass as humans than do other races. It’s a fact of physiology. Caucasians have less melanin in their skin than do other races, and on and on. These are differences expressed by our biology that categorize all races that make up our human species.”

I did a study with a professor at UNL and he began with the same assumption. But here is the flaw…

Are you distinguishing between the “african-american” or between “negroids” as a whole…because there is a big difference which you most definitely are not making…at least in this post…the so-called negroid comes in a vast array of size and shape, depending on where they are born, what culture they are from, (IE Pigmy to Dinka) and other variables…to attempt to homogenize ‘negroids’ into one uniform group, is the same as trying to homogenize ‘asians’ into one uniform group…have you considered the Polynesian or the Samoan? Who are predisposed to be very large as opposed to Filipino’s who are very small?

Secondly, how is “muscle” mass determined? According to the study it is not “mass” but muscle density which seems to be the differientation between american blacks and american whites…meaning that on average a black and white with the same overall muscle ‘mass’ will not be equally as strong because the black tends to have more muscle ‘density’ (mass per volume higher cross-sections in muscle fiber)which indicates greater strength….

As for the original topic…

Why should one person no matter how large guard one highly violent prisoner?

La Shawn there is a point at which we become too PC!

That was the point I was trying to make with the airport terminal “warm and fuzzy” stuff. We’re wasting a lot of money on something that doesn’t provide any real security. AQ will ram this up where the sun don’t shine!

Don’t think for a minute are enemy in the GWOT doesn’t know this and will exploit it whenever possible.

With the small female officer left to guard a big “Thug” this is where too PC get’s people hurt.

Bottom line is use a little “COMMON SENSE.” I would find it poor tactical planning to leave a big guy no matter what race to guard a determined crook who’s intent is to overpower the officer.

Intelligent design of bldgs, interior secure passage ways, and other things limit exposure to where the crook thinks he has an opportunity to win.

That COMMON SENSE and has nothing to do with PCism.

I’m not afraid.

Saying women shouldn’t do police work is just nonsense.

But common sense would dictate specific jobs – like accompanying 250 pound rapists.

I am impressed at the sex differences in police shootings. Perhaps White women are not trigger happy, but the others are too hesitant to shoot when they should.