On April 1, hundreds of American descended on the Arizona-Mexico border to highlight the vast national security problem at the southern border.
Their president, in conjunction with the liberal media, called them vigilantes. The “patriots” of the American Civil Liberties Union, which purports to protect the rights of Americans, are “monitoring” their countrymen to make sure the illegal border crossers are treated “in a humane way.”
The Minuteman Project, founded by Jim Gilchrist, a former military man, is accomplishing the goal of raising awareness of just how extensive the illegal immigration scourge really is. Some government bureaucrat must have noticed. Several days before the start of the border watch, U.S. officials decided to send 500 border agents down to Arizona. Many speculated that George Bush was embarrassed that civilians volunteered to do the job he’s paid to do but so far hasn’t done.
It looks like several states are beginning to crack down on illegal immigration. For instance, Mark Warner, a Democrat and governor of Virginia, signed legislation denying welfare to illegal aliens. (See Immigration and Welfare) In California, the police chief of the Los Angeles Police Department is proposing changes to the ridiculous Special Order 40, which prevents cops, charged with the enforcement of the law, from asking criminals about their citizenship status. Politically correct crime non-fighting. (Source – reg. req.) A related story appears in the New York Times (reg. req).
The most infuriating aspect of our lax immigration policy is that while Americans are losing their lives in Iraq fighting the so-called War on Terrorism, illegal aliens, along with Middle Eastern men, cross the southern border as if it’s a stroll in the park. While our president, in the age of terrorism, is considering amnesty for aliens, family members wave goodbye to their loved ones, not knowing if they’ll ever see them alive again, as they leave these shores to fight in a foreign country. (See Suicide Nation)
I think Bush should reassign some of these soldiers to defend us against enemies from the south.
My frustration is somewhat abated when I realize how much attention the Minuteman Project has already brought to this issue. The media coverage, however negative, is still valuable, and the Project has inspired others to start similar groups. (Source) Arizona Border Watch will pick up where the Minuteman Project leaves off.
At least for the month of April, illegal border crossings are down. (See here and here). Barely a week into the border watch, the volunteers caught over 100 illegal aliens. (Source) In a related development, Los Angeles County may finally do something about the closure of its clinics because of the strain caused by treating uninsured non-citizens:
According to the Los Angeles Daily News, the audit found that the county spends about 340 (m) million dollars a year treating undocumented immigrants at its health facilities and could save between 130 (m) million and 138 (m) million a year by discontinuing nonemergency services to them….The audit found the county treats five times as many undocumented immigrants as required by state law. (Source)
Despite the shifting sentiment, pro-enforcement Americans still face violations of their freedom of speech and association. And a few bad apples involved with the Project have been dismissed, as Jim Gilchrist said they would be.
For the latest developments, check immigration on Yahoo! and Michelle Malkin’s immigration blog.
Related: Report from the Field, Who Will Protect the Minuteman Volunteers?, Curious George and the Fox…
Update: The bloated Department of Homeland Insecurity is considering shipping illegal aliens directly back to their hometowns instead of dropping them off at the border they just illegally crossed. Pure genius. Being that smart must be painful.
Update II: Big deal! Political Teen has the video.
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Political Teen has video of Chris Simcox, a Minuteman Project organizer, and founder Jim Gilchrist.
Check out these bloggers (trackback if you’re blogging this): Freedom Of…, Institute For Immigration Policy Review…
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Bush cares more about the Middle East than the enrichment of illegal-hiring business owners and his buddy in Mexico who uses illegal money to fuel his corrupt system.
“This has absolutely nothing to do with the so-called Minuteman people,” Christiana Halsey, spokeswoman for the Department of Homeland Security’s Customs and Border Protection Bureau said.
“Along with trying to stem the tide of illegal immigration, Halsey said, the ongoing aim of the initiative is to reduce smuggling and other criminal border activity and to cut the number of migrant deaths.”
These statements from our newly formed, and very expensive, Homeland Security Department just about says it all.
First it is highly political. Who but a dishonest politician would make a false statement like the first above, to cover their own incompetence.
Second, notice the ‘goal’ of our Homeland Security Department is to ‘cut the number of migrant deaths’, not ‘cut the number of aliens crossing our borders illegal’.
I would just hate to have the job of these Border Patrol Agents, knowing I have been given a dangerous job that is impossible to do with NO SUPPORT from the people that hired me.
mj–I think you’re being a little harsh. Whether or not Bush “cares” about the illegal alien issue is irrelevant. He knows his constituents want something done, but he’s a politician, and politicians (of ANY ilk) have backers/bankrollers. It’s simply a fact of politics. What we need to do is make it so difficult for Bush to ignore the problem that he is forced into action (MMP is a start). This enables him to tell his backers/bankrollers–sorry, but what else could I do?–and then he can start working on fixing our immigration laws so his backers/bankrollers can continue getting cheap labor (but now at a higher price).
Five hundred extra BP agents are all well and good, but the Border Patrol needs money, more advanced equipment, and lots of manpower.
Putting our military on the border makes us look like we’re afraid of Mexico; stopping smugglers (human/drug/other) tells Mexico, and the rest of the world, that we mean business on our border.
LaShawn,
I included you in today’s MMP post on my little ol’ livejournal: http://www.livejournal.com/users/lornkanaga/33781.html
500 extra border patrol agents is a joke. The border is 2000 miles long and illegal aliens are coming through in groups of sometimes 60-100. we need at least 5 per mile IMHO for safety, which means the border patrol needs to be upped to 10,000 agents. It’s not that expensive compared to the billions illegal aliens are costing the people of Texas, California and Arizona.
I concur, Digger, but it’s a lot better than “zero.”
Why doesn’t the US border patrol hire some illegal aliens to guard the border? They would probably do as well as the border patrol.
If the only goal was to prevent deaths then setting water bottles every 50 yards or so would be a lot cheaper.
The real problem here is that smuggling illegals into the US is a business, a business with money and guns. Homeland Security is trying to avoid having the Minuteman (with/without guns) run into the immigration entrepreneurs (with guns) as this could be bloody.
Unfortunately, lost in all this safety is the goal of immigration control.
La Shawn,
I typed in a few words of complaint about border security and Amtrak security. When i hit the “post it” button I got redirected to the FBI’s homepage! I’m just a harmless nobody. I hope I didn’t say something I shouldn’t have!!! Yikes!
That’s a very powerful spam filter that won’t be necessary in a few days. I just disabled it, so feel free to re-submit. – Admin
Lorn: I have even harsher things to say about this issue, but I can’t. Bush has never cared about illegal immigration because he’s from a border state where people need to hire them for seasonal work and/or to help their profits. Cheap labor is important, no matter what country you’re talking about.
We’re supposedly one of the most civilized nations on earth, but the powers that be have consistently created a substandard culture. It’s not just a matter of money–there has to be an attitude that this country will not tolerate any of this any longer. It’s not just illegal immigration–there have been slaves, indentured servants, and convicts dumped here, too.
Canada, which a lot of people complain about as being liberal, has a point system. If they’re so liberal, why isn’t their population exploding every year? Actually, the entire Commonwealth has tougher standards–in Australia, they aren’t too keen on illegal immigrants, and tend to “hold” them in certain areas until they are deemed as true refugees. And then there’s Singapore and Japan, but they’re in Asia, so maybe they don’t “matter.”
Personal opinion
What is it about “ILLEGAL” do people not get?
Frankly they’re invaders and if I owned land on the border I’d have signs posted ‘trespassers will be shot’. And I’d do it.
The government complains that they don’ know where the ‘illegals’ are, but in the next breadth they claim there are about 11 million of them. How can they know how many there are if they don’t know where they are ?
As far as Canada goes MJ, how can you compare them to the US, all one needs to do is to look at the GNP and it is instantly clear that it is easier to get a job in Conus than it is in Canada.
Also even if they wanted to go to Canada now they have a 2500 mile walk to the next border, impractical.
I read somewhere where the Governor of Arizona, (??) decided to disaregard the law about illegals in a proposition that the people voted for, since he knows best, The whole problem is politicians be they Republican or Democrat in some aspects there is not a dimes worth of difference and it is the dime they are after.
I don’t think I believe the WorldNetDaily report of 141 illegal aliens apprehended. They claim that “[i]n its second day of operations, the civilian volunteer Minuteman Project claimed to have aided the Border Patrol in the apprehension of 141 illegal aliens along the Arizona border”, yet I could find no such claim on the Minuteman Project website, nor did “John Smallberries” make any such claim when you interviewed him a few days ago.
Have you had any confirmation of that figure from a second source?
mj–thanks for the clarification.
Quite frankly, I agree. We need to make the penalties for hiring illegals heavier, we need to make the penalties for the “slavers” (ie, those who import illegals for domestic/whatever tasks, pay them pittance, and threaten them if they try to leave) exceedingly harsh, and we need to fix our immigration laws so that those who want to come here to work, CAN–if they want to stay then they can apply for permanent residence/citizenship; if they want to work and go home then they can do that as well.
Those who knowingly hire illegals are a major part of this problem. The “slavers” need to do hard prison time–d**n-it, slavery was outlawed here more than a hundred years ago and now these cheap b****ds are trying to “disguise” it by paying their “servants” a pittance.
I want immigration in this country–I want the best and the brightest and the hardest workers all over the world clammoring to get in–but I want it done right. This country’s greatest strengthes come from the blending of differing cultures; we keep the best and toss the worst of other cultures, as we should. But we stay strong through competition–with each other and with the rest of the world. Success comes with hard work, and that’s what makes this country great.
[sorry--turning rant mode off now]
Again, mj, thanks for the clarification.
Robin–the 141 figure is an estimation and a cumulative total from the start of the project. I’ve seen it in several articles as low as 102 and high as 160.
Here’s an article from the Arizona Ledger that gives 120 as a figure: http://www.nationalledger.com/scribe/archives/2005/04/arizona_minutem.shtml
I think Lornkanaga has the point. There may be issues important to Bush’s wealthy backers/bankrollers that just don’t resonate with the average voter. In turn a politician will try to downplay certain issues that could catch the ear of the average voter but prove awkward to discuss because Bush could not reconcile the conflicting stances of the average voter with that of his bankrollers. And immigration is one of these issues. I agree that an effort is needed to make Bush realize that the issue will not go away. If he turns a deaf ear then pressuring Senators and Congressmen seems to be the way to go. I am always surprised that this Administration continues to try to convince us that immigration policy has no significant impact on national security.
Dan wrote: “Frankly they’re invaders and if I owned land on the border I’d have signs posted ‘trespassers will be shot’. And I’d do it.”
I think a lot of those land owners would like to do that as well, but consider the consequences–drug runners/coyotes making constant “assaults” on your property; you’d need a well-supplied small army.
DaveD–you bet! The MMP is a start, but our elected officials need to be pressured as well–local as well as state and federal. LaShawn mentioned several states are passing Proposition 200-like initiatives. I found out my *local* county representative wanted to change our state measure so that certain counties can be exempted (he called it a “local problem”), so I sent him off a nastygram letting him know that if he considers it that way to let the county’s voters decide, and I told him in no uncertain terms I intended to vote “NO” (g).
Robin–also, here’s a little something in the Arizona Capitol Times that shows pre- and post-start figures, but just through Apr 3: http://www.azcapitoltimes.com/main.asp?SectionID=2&SubSectionID=2&aamp;ArticleID=1948
It lists apprehensions for the first three days of April at nearly 400.
IIRC, constitutionally, the Active Duty military cannot patrol the borders as you envison. However, the National Guard can upon order of the Governor.
At least that was the issue back in the 80’s during the War on Drugs. Which by the way is a pathetic failure as was the War on Alcohol back in the Prohibition days.
All these politicians and the President included are going to be looking really bad if there is another attack via the Mexican Border,..Then maybe they will stop looking with their, hands out, and start looking with their eyes.
The President of Mexico is no help he does everything but tell them to go and how to do it then turns around and tells us , they will sue if any of his people get hurt,
… Now that is chutz-pah.
Lornkanaga,
I sent Rick Santorum (my Senator) an email months ago on this issue. His office replied promptly with a very nice email. Mr. Santorum mentioned that he comes from a family of immigrants. My followup to him mentioned that I doubted that his family likely did not get their start on U.S. citizenship by repeatedly and illegally crossing a remote part of the U.S. border under the protection of night to carve out a living here.
Be reminded that “illegal immigration” is not the primary issue here…national security is. Also remember that 200 of the Border Patrol agents came from Texas and California, leaving those areas more vulnerable. The other 300 are recruits in training and have not yet been deployed. Don’t get distracted by discussions of low wages, illegal employers, bad Mexican government, etc. We have to stay focused on one issue only…we are at risk from terrorists crossing the border. 1 Million illegals are apprehended every year while it is estimated that 2 million get through. We are in much more danger from terrorist attacks than we are from illegal workers. Bush needs to put the Guard at the border NOW! By definition they are to GUARD the NATION!
I concur.
“and we need to fix our immigration laws so that those who want to come here to work, CAN – if they want to stay then they can apply for permanent residence/citizenship;”
This is the root of the problem here. These people come over illegally to attempt to better their lives, and the lives of their families, but honestly, the Gov’t makes it damn near impossible for ANYONE to get permission to work here, nevermind stay here permanently. Speaking from experience, something needs to give with INS’ restrictions and SLOW processing.
I sent an Email to a columnist at the Arizona Republic asking her why Arizona’s senators and reps weren’t putting pressure on Pres. Bush to protect their state and our nation. She said that Arizona’s business community would scream their heads off because they want the low-wage labor. So, the Arizona pols are having their careers threatened and have caved in to the AZ business community, which is far and away Republican in that Red state. They are willing to sacrifice our national security on the altar of low wages. God help us all!
About Canada: yeah, their economy relative to ours isn’t great, but compared to 90% of the world, it’s great. About nat’l security: I fear that one day terrorists, legal or not, are going to pay some wasted homeless guy to walk into a large building with a bomb under his coat to blow the place up. I also think we’ve been in danger of murderous gangs for a very long time–composed of legal and illegal immigrants and Americans.
“The most infuriating aspect of our lax immigration policy is that while Americans are losing their lives in Iraq fighting the so-called War on Terrorism, illegal aliens, along with Middle Eastern men, cross the southern border as if it’s a stroll in the park.”
Absolutely correct. Same war, different front.
“Why doesn’t the US border patrol hire some illegal aliens to guard the border? They would probably do as well as the border patrol.” Ratso Hilarious!
The Border Patrol does an excellent job of patrolling the border. The problem is that the President won’t fund the hiring of enough of them. He said he’d fund an additional 2000 but has funded only 200. Don’t deride the Border Patrol. They’re doing the very best they can with what they’ve been given…it’s all on the President, every bit of it. At this point, he deserves to be impeached and removed from office far more than Clinton ever did and I was for Clinton’s removal from office. If a Democrat had been president when 9-11 took place and had left the border unprotected for the following 3 and a half years, can you imagine the hue and cry from Republicans and conservatives? I have little stomach left for attacks on “liberals” on anything anymore. When the country was attacked and in enormous danger because of open borders, the super-patriotic conservatives and Republicans stood silent for the most part. May God protect us from the fruit of their economic greed and treasonous cowardice.
Please excuse the lengthy post, but some things can’t be said in five lines.
Excellent posts, all. However, I encourage you to read William Safire’s classic “Freedom” if you want some context on the times we live in. It’s easy to lambast Pres Bush for failing to control the southern border, and the natural tendency of outraged citizens these days is to look for the worst possible motives behind that failure. However, we do ourselves, and Pres Bush, a disservice by not looking at the larger picture. It’s true Pres Bush is from a border state–that simple fact alone sensitizes him to the situation. I also like to give him the benefit of the doubt when it comes to motives for his actions.
Bill Safire provides an interesting perspective on Lincoln’s motives during the first couple of years of the Civil War. Lincoln recognized that until he had built a consensus for certain actions (e.g., Emancipation), he could not do everything he wished, or that the more vocal Abolitionists and war boosters supported. As Safire describes it, “…he had to lead public opinion, but he couldn’t be too far in front of it…” Lincoln realized, as I think Pres Bush realizes, that leading a large, complex country is more about keeping your major goals in the forefront and avoiding issues that detract from attaining your goals. Pres Bush’s primary goal is to defeat terrorist states overseas—not create them here in the Western Hemisphere.
FACT: the “government of Mexico” is mostly fiction. The “government” of Mexico is not Vicente Fox and his troop of clowns…the real government consists of drug kingpins, crime bosses, and influence-buying business patrones (the spelling is correct) who preserve the fiction of a central government so there’s a more or less credible mask for their activities. The “government” of Mexico has very little real power. The real government (the thugs) preserves this fiction so they can continue their illegal activities in the background…this need for a semblance of legitimacy is the only restraint on the thugs who’re the real power in Mexico. Pres Bush knows this…and Vicente Fox knows that Pres Bush knows this. Pres Bush also knows that if the US really locks down the border (which could easily be done) then Mexico will explode, the semblance of a legitimate government will be destroyed, and Mexico will become a rogue nation. In other words, we’ll have created a failed state, ripe for terrorist activity, on our southern flank. How do you say “Somalia and Mogadishu” in Spanish?
So, Pres Bush’s choices with respect to border enforcement are “Poor” and “Awful.” He has opted for Poor: a porous border with increased efforts by the FBI, CIA, and other government agencies to identify and head off terrorist incidents, rather than police the border as effectively as we (and he) might wish. He realizes 99.9% of the people sneaking across the border are no danger…they’re simply desperate people trying to live decent lives. He’s decided to focus on running the dangerous ones to ground if/when they enter the country. It’s a lousy way to do business, but the alternative is to enrage millions of desperate people, create a fertile ground for terrorist recruiting, and create a rogue nation next door. Do you really want to risk large-scale terrorist raids in the border states by Mexican terrorists, armed with weaponry from the Mexican Army, or see the Mexican Navy used to run drugs into the US? Do you realize that a Mexico subverted by criminals and terrorists would quickly start trying to topple Central American and South American governments? Do you want to see the US military invade Mexico in order to establish a buffer zone between us and them? Can you imagine the effect this would have on domestic US politics?
Bad as it seems, the present status quo is better. A better option is a guest worker program that allows Latin American workers to cross the border after registering, providing a DNA sample, and undergoing a health screening. In fact, such a program would be a major blow against the Mexican crime bosses, since they’re the ones who make all the money off helping people sneak over the border. Furthermore, registering them and allowing them to work here in the US will enable us to tax them, know where they are, and decrease the risk of terrorists crossing (because anyone trying to cross without registering is automatically up to no good). Finally, a legitimate guest worker program encourages them to remain Mexican citizens, rather than becoming underground US residents (i.e., they can go home for visits without having to worry about getting back across the border).
HEKTOR
Hektor,
You know that I always appreciate your comments but I think you’re still being distracted by the illegal immigration issue as opposed to the national security issue. Illegal immigration will never be controlled until the border is sealed. The President’s plan is a waft of vapor, which will do what President Reagan’s amnesty did…lead to massive illegal immigration because the Mexican folks know that sooner or later they’ll be declared legal. Also, I don’t believe that 99.9% come here with good intentions. There is a large criminal element already here and more come. And finally, national security IS the issue now, not guest worker/amnesty, etc. They have to be kept separate. I know you want to give the President the benefit of the doubt but the time to withdraw that benefit has long since passed. We should care not one wit if we upset Mexico…they aren’t going to do anything nor can they. Their peasants will do what they always have done for hundreds of years…do the best they can in unfortunate circumstances. Maybe if we draw a final line we can work with them to do something about illegal immigration but that issue is a very distant second to the immediate issue of national security. 9-11 changed everything and the President doesn’t or doesn’t want to get it. If he’s afraid of offending Mexico, then he’s a coward and should be removed from office for dereliction of duty.
Regarding Safire’s comments regarding Lincoln, they fly in the face of historical facts. Lincoln considered blacks to be inferior and was hoping that many would go back to Africa. He didn’t fight the war to end slavery. He did so to preserve the Union. The pressure for Emancipation came from blacks like Frederick Douglas and Martin Robison Delany, who wanted blacks to be freed so that they could fight the South. Lincoln is and always will be my favorite president but he is often credited for believing things he didn’t believe and for doing things that free Northern blacks were pressuring him to do.
Today’s Fort Worth Star-Telegram had a short blurb about the announcement by Homeland Security that its $237 million sensor/listening system has serious design flaws. So even if the BP was doing their due diligence, they can’t even do a respectable job.
This problem will solve itself in one of two ways:
1) Electorates get angry enough to threaten the eviction of their elected officials unless policy is enforced/changed. Novel Enlightenment/Revolution/Constitution idea: Politicians govern by the consent of the govern, get it?
2) A disaster forces politicians to take direct action. This is the more likely scenario since most of our politicians are reactionaries (to borrow from Politburo Diktat) instead of leaders.
I figure I won’t be around for either, since the current fad here in Texas is to shoot high school coaches.
Chris,
The Border Patrol didn’t design the flawed system. It was good ol’ US (or Chinese!) technology…and stay safe and keep your head down!
Hektor makes a good point about what could happen south of the border if it were sealed. But what is the more important priority? Immediate security (as immediate as the government can make it) or placating the neighbors for potentially future security. I err on the side of immediate security. Latin American countries have long hated us and they will continue irregardless of our policies (re: Osama chants at Mexico-U.S. World Cup qualifier). Our best bet for security if in fact these future/former illegals become terrorists is to keep them out. Period. However, this is altogether unlikely since there are too many economic pressures from all sides at play.
Hektor and Stan,
Both of you make good points, but I suspect the truth is somewhere between.
Hektor–I’ve been thinking about what kind of “guest worker program” would work and how it would be implemented; at some point I intend to write out these thoughts, and I will remember your imput (g).
Stan–Bush does not deserve impeachment. A good “whack” to the head with a two-by-four, but not impeachment. His major problem is that he forgets he’s a lame-duck and can pretty much do what he wants (ie, he doesn’t need their backing right now), and he should take this opportunity to fix a few things that will gain him supporters. What bothers me most about Bush right now is the fact that he’s becoming so chummy with the Clintons–no good can come from that.
And Chris–bless you for your sense of humor! (hehehe)
Chris–we could straighten out our illegal immigrant problem with proper immigration reform; that’s the only semi-sorta ligitimate reason for not closing the border. A guest worker program, properly administered, could not only satisfy corporate America but could add quite a few jobs as well. I see companies forming that would screen prospective workers, then help companies “import” their workers for the jobs needed.
Lornkanaga-
I think that’s a great idea, but I’m on board with what local pundit Mark Davis advocates: close the border for a few weeks or a couple of months and then re-open them with the program you talk about in place. It wouldn’t make everybody giddy, but it has enough meat that the politicians can run home and talk about. To me, it makes the most sense.
Plus, any opportunity for new streams of income is something very appealing to large corporations. I could see them get their hands elbow deep in helping a guest worker program.
Great hearing from you Stan!
No, I’m not being distracted–and I agree with you the issue is national security. The point I’m making is that the calls to “seal the border”, while self-gratifying, will eventually give us a much worse national security problem. If the Mexican government collapses and a gangster government replaces it, we’ll have to deal with an overtly hostile nation to our south. It’ll make common cause with Hugo Chavez’s Venezuela, Castro’s Cuba, and will subvert other nations already fighting drug lords. The question really becomes “Which course better supports national security in the long run?” I think that acknowledging the fact that the US will always be a tremendous attraction for poor, destitute people south of the border, and that they’ll continue to try to enter regardless of how tightly the border’s sealed, is the place to start. You can call out the National Guard if you wish, but guess what happens the first time a desperate teenager, or a young mother carrying an infant, gets shot…that’s the end of the Guard’s participation, or the end of the state government that sent them. Also, understand that the National Guard is comprised of state residents who have “day jobs.” Calling them up translates into a significant economic impact, both upon them and their communities. They can be called up for short-term emergencies, but a governor who calls them up to defend the state’s borders had better be willing to keep them on station indefinitely, and he/she will have to fight increasingly negative public opinion all the way. Besides, defending international borders isn’t a STATE responsibility–it’s a federal responsibility. We’re already tapped out on active duty military personnel and have mobilized over 40% of our reserves (which includes the Guard) simply so we can rotate units out of Iraq and Afghanistan. A governor can only call up his/her own Guard units, not another state’s. If his/her Guard already has units overseas, then there’s that many fewer available for the state to send to the border. [Incidentally, a state's National Guard is comprised of Air, Naval, and Army units, of which the Army components are the most needed in this instance...these are also the units most heavily mobilized for service overseas]
Furthermore, we’re not dealing with just Mexican immigrants; it’s immigrants from every nation south of the Rio Grande. And, I didn’t say 99.9% have “good intentions”–I said they’re no danger. My use of 99.9% is probably in error, but I don’t think by much. The problem is, right now we have millions of illegals swarming across the border because that’s the only way they can get in. A 5+ year waiting list for a green card doesn’t appeal to starving people. On the other hand, making it easy for them to enter legally (I didn’t say give them amnesty or automatic citizenship) makes it easier for us to keep track of them. Quite simply, if former illegals no longer have to pay thousands of dollars to Coyotes (the human smugglers) to get them across the border, when they can apply for a guest worker pass and enter for free, which do you think they’ll opt for? That’s what I meant when I said the only ones who’ll still attempt to enter illegally are the ones we want to catch. There’ll be no public outcry if we seal the border in order to catch THEM…as long as the harmless ones have the opportunity to come.
I also said they’d be less likely to stay. Most Latin Americans feel about their countries of origin the way we feel about ours. There may be many things wrong in their countries of origin, but it’s still home. Most of them will come here to work, but they’ll send money home, and will go home on vacations, holidays, etc. The money they send home will go a lot further there than here…they’re aware of that. With respect to “peasants doing what they’ve always done” it’s worthwhile remembering that in 1916 the US sent a punitive expedition under Gen Pershing into Mexico because a peasant bandit named Pancho Villa was raiding across the border, attacking US towns. Mexico was at the time fighting a bloody civil war…do we really want to help that happen again?
I’ll save a discussion about Lincoln’s motives, the degree to which he was/wasn’t attached to Emancipation, etc., for a later conversation. What I believe is more important are his words to his Secretary of State, John Seward (the guy who bought Alaska for two cents an acre). During the Civil War Britain was not-so-covertly supporting the Confederate cause (the Confederate raider CSS Alabama was built and launched in Britain). Seward was goading Lincoln to take a more muscular stance with the British, to go to war with them if need be. Lincoln’s response was: “One war at a time, John.” These words have meaning today, when it comes to the porous southern border. I think Lincoln would tell us today to beat the terrorists we’re fighting now, before we stir up more terrorism in our own backyard.
Great talking with you, Stan. Look forward to hearing back from you.
Cheers//HEKTOR
Hektor,
I agree with you on Lincoln if it concerned fighting another war with GB. That didn’t come through on your original post but it is absolutely right.
On illegals, I’m absolutely focused on the “right now”, not on any hypothetical future problems with Mexico or states to their south. (And I’m totally unafraid of a future Pancho Villa, although maybe we should be!) I’m unsurpassed in my concern for Mexico’s working poor or working poor in any country.(.I’ve invested my entire life and fortune in Cambodia)…but not right now. I’m focused on Islamic terrorists right now and only on them…period. All kinds of worker programs can be negotiated later (although none have ever done anything but lead to more illegals and the resulting amnesty, etc.) but not right now. With regard to the National Guard, Bush has no problem taking them from their day jobs and filling 40% of our soldiers with them in Iraq. And he’s constitutionally in charge of the various states’ militias. Why should the governors take the political risks that he won’t take? Are we in a period of national emergency or not?
Lornkanaga,
I guess I’m past the two-by-four stage. And who can use it on him any way? But I’ll bring mine if you bring yours!!!
Good discussing a very important issue with both of you…
Spot on Hektor. There are so many linkages, to simply say that Bush alone is to blame is nonsense.
Sealing the borders tight is futile and at what price?
Quick figures:
US – Mex Border, approx 1300 Miles, or 7,022,400 feet, round it to 1,500 miles to account for terrain. According to http://www.hooverfence.com/download/dindex.htm:
Retail price for a 12 ft HD Chainlink Fence with Barbed Wire would cost approx $56,080,748, plus installation of $737,990,336 (if we use Ratso’s suggestion, we can save mucho Dineros for labor) Total suggested price is $794,071,084.00 Tack on another billion or two to add an intelligent fiberoptics mesh for intrusion detection.
But since it would be a major govt contract with competitive bidding/discounting, we can keep the overall estimate at around 3/4 trillion dollars, give or take a few billions.
Is securing our Mexican border worth 1/10 of our GNP after figuring in the existing border control infrastructure? Before you say yes, factor in the additional hits to your pocket book from the raised cost of living and the inevitable wave of business bankruptcies. So much for Bush’s bankrolling buddies.
And for a concrete wall, a la the Berlin Wall, the price would go up some more.
Just a thot.
The MINTUTE MEN are doing what the worthless and completly usless border patrol agents cant do protect our borders from ilegal aleins and possible teleban terrorists i guess the INS is upset becuase these ordanary folk are doing a better job becuase their not handcuffed by politics
Stan: Maybe I missed it, but what do you do in Cambodia?
firebird–the INS no longer exists; it’s been taken over by ICE and homeland security. Our Border Patrol (CBP) is doing a great job considering their resources. The CBP also has been enlisting the help of civilians for years–the signs recently put up in AZ have been all over TX for years, and citizens have been calling. The heavy rush is a relatively recent thing (less than 30 years), but it’s getting steadily worse. The CBP isn’t hand-cuffed, it’s had it’s legs cut at the knees–it can function, but not nearly as well as it should. As I mentioned before, it needs money, personnel, and equipment–lots of it.
Considering we have over a 7 Trillion dollar creditcard debt(that is $100,000 for every legal man, woman and child in the US, mostly owed to China), a Berlin Wall in reverse(we are not trying to keep people from leaving) would be a small investment compared to the debilitating debt burden non-tax paying illegal migrants are costing tax paying legal citizens/immigrants of the US.
Our out-of-control debt threatens our national security, and the stability of the rest of the world, by constricting our options when nations holding our debt act against our interest.
The most immediate example is China. They are building their military, performing exercises near Taiwan, and making military threats toward a democratic country we have committed to protect. They are now in the enviable position of being able to compromise our response by threatening to call for payment on all the US Gov’t notes(debt) they now hold and we cannot pay. The financial term for this is bankruptcy.
I am asking our elected representitatives to do their job and deal with this illegal immigration boil. Another 80 Billion dollars of debt is being asked for by the President to support the freedom of Iraq. This request is being held up by the House until Border Security/INS law modifications they ask for, and the President promised to revisit if they let the National Security Directory bill pass some time ago. Please email or call your House and Senate representitatives in Congress to support the holdup of more debt until we have real Homeland Security.
The point is it is cheaper to reform the immigration policies than it is to build a wall. Personally, I think anyone — excepting terrorists — can come as long as we know who they are.
If the route to immigration is straight forward and includes a guest worker program, “99.9%” are going to go the legal route, rather than sneak accross the border.
He knows his constituents want something done, but he’s a politician, and politicians (of ANY ilk) have backers/bankrollers
Any politician who cares more about his bankrollers than his constituents is, by definition, corrupt. So are you saying Bush is corrupt?
If conservative politicians really believed anything they said concerning illegal immigration, there would be laws with criminal penalties for hiring illegal aliens.
Jim R,
Excellent points…I’m lucky…my Rep. helped get a fence built in SD County that will soon be expanded…the President shouldn’t get one dime for Iraq until he shows the same commitment to defend the borders.
Andy,
It IS all Bush’s fault…he’s the commander in chief and constitutionally charged with providing for the common defense..and there isn’t necessarily a need to fence or wall in the whole border. There IS a need for far more bodies and technology near the border. Iraq never threatened us and wasn’t responsible for 9-11. Osama attacked us with people who were in our country and there is nothing to stop him and others from sending more across our borders. If we don’t even have enough National Guard to GUARD our NATION because they’re in Iraq, then we are in serious trouble. I read in the San Diego Union-Tribune today that illegals are still scoffing at our puny efforts. The Mexican government is sitting across the border from the Minutemen and telling illegals to cross somewhere else. And illegals routinely send a group across for the purpose of getting arrested, which ties up the agents long enough for many others to cross in the meantime.
firebird,
Your rant against the Border Patrol is uncalled for and indicates that you don’t know what you’re talking about. They’re heroes and are not the problem. Pres. Bush IS the problem.
flaime–if you want to talk about corruption, talk about how much money Clinton earned for the DNC during his 8 years in the White House. A night in the Lincoln Bedroom? Hefty donation. A ride on Air Force One? Another hefty donation.
Hektor,
I’m chairman of a group that does projects in rural Cambodia, focusing on providing education, healthcare, water, etc. in villages that have no water, electricity, etc. and have not been reached by anyone else.Most of them sit on land which was cleared of land mines. We also secure the young girls in the villages to protect them from being taken into under-age sex-slavery. Our partner group rescues and rehabilitates about 150 rescued girls a year. I have a photo in which I’m standing next to a 7 yr old, who was rescued. Virgin girls are sold mostly to foreign men for about $600 a week, in which their virginity is broken and they are raped over and over. If they are particularly beautiful, they are sewn up and offered up as virgins once again. Eventually, they all end up in the brothels, where they may wind up having sex up to 10 times a night for a dollar or two a pop while receiving none of the money. Every trip I experience a moment when I want to quit because the problems are so overwhelming and our efforts seem so small but God’s grace is there for me the next morning and I keep going back for more. And thanks for asking.
Stan…I think you were answering MJ’s question. I’ve been privileged to read a very good rundown of your Cambodian mission you provided last month. A very moving description, and a very noble enterprise.
Respectfully//HEKTOR
Hektor and mj,
Sorry…I’m going to be 61 in September and I’m already losin’ it!
Andy: As distasteful as it is to disagree with you, I must. The issue here is whether or not the United States is a nation or not. That is, a nation, any nation, has the right to protect and preserve itself, and in that is the right to protect our frontiers. The United States is a real nation (actually, it is a union of 50 sovereign states, the concept of which has been attenuated almost to nothingness, but never mind) America is for Americans. The United states either is a nation with a distinct people or is a post-modern non-nation.
Sounds racist? It isn’t. Americans consist of the White majority but also native Blacks and Hispanics and others. But a healthy society ought to be concerned with preserving and protecting its own, and, judged by our leadership (and not necessarily just political leadership), that appears to be slipping away.
So, beyond the question of these people bringing in their corruption, the depressed wages, the strain on the infrastructute (ask any Californian medical worker), and the crime; we must, MUST consider the cultural question.
Mark Slater, I understand. But to use the Armed Forces opens a can of worms. I don’t remember all the specifics but as I recall it had to do with Habeas Corpus and other constitutional issues. Bottomline the rationale back in the 80s was National Guard, yes. DOD, No. However, the DOD could use their technology to support, but not take any proactive action, even then that part remained in dispute.
As bad as illegal immigration is, I don’t think we want to go that route. Seeing how Slick abused the FBI for political purposes, imagine sKerry or some future POTUS using the military to stifle internal dissent. Much less allow the military to trespass your property in hot pursuit of illegals.
Bottomline, if POTUS can use the military for internal disputes, there goes our right to have a bloody revolution, civil war notwithstanding. Short of being at war with illegals, we have to look to other means, even if it means terrorists are sneaking thru.
That said, we need immigration reform so that sneaking accross the border becomes unecessary. Then for those that do sneak accross, we can have a standing policy to shoot first, ask questions later.
I imagine one way to do that is for congress to buy a swath of land along the entire border and call it “Deadman’s Port” in accordance with section 8 of the constitution as excerpted :To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; – And
To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof. Only on Federal property can the military shoot on site.
Other than that I wholeheartedly agree with the second half of your comment.
Andy: I am humbled. Your comments have given me cause to re-evaluate my position; something I do not do very often. Perhaps military intervention isn’t the proper way to go, but the spirit of what I have written will have to stand. Also, I would like to make the following remarks regarding what you have written:
* I believe the phrase you are seeking is “Posse Comitatus”
* What is going on now hardly merits the definition of “internal disputes” because the people in question arrive from a foreign source. (your solution might be more worthy, re: the federal DMZ along the border)
But nonetheless, you are right on target. Also, your recall of the Constitution is uncanny!
Mark, I thot of Posse Commitas as well, but you know how verbose I get.
If I had to talk about just one topic, I thot I’d point out an interesting twist on what hasn’t been discussed. I’m no scholar and maybe there’s other reasons that would make Habeas Corpus moot, but I’d like to hear it.
Mark, PS. I concur with the spirit of your stand. Something has to be done, but how?
The problem with illegal immigration, is, it is illegal.
We are allowing one group of people, who are here illegally, to get preferential treatment, over the rest of us.
We are a democracy. We are all to be treated equally.
If I as an American, am expected to follow our rule of law, everyone must follow this rule of law.
If I as an American, am punished for breaking that rule of law, everyone must be punished, who breaks that rule of law.
The fire that is burning beneath our feet, about this issue, is not the issue of immigration.
We are a nation, of immigrants.
Our arms are open to immigrants, that come here respecting us and respecting our laws.
Illegal immigrants, be it Mexicans or Irishman, do not respect us, do not repect our laws. We take such notice of illegal Mexicans, because they are coming here by the millions.
Illegal Mexicans, are the only immigrant group, that not only do they disrespect us as a people, but they come here and demand, we learn their language. Just call any of our many government offices. “If you want to continue in English, push one.”
No, I will not push one, I want to push these illegal Mexican immigrants, out of my country now and import legal immigrants, who respect our laws.
If we need immigrants, let us import immigrants, that respect our laws, respect our culture, and respect us as a people.
We need to reclaim our language, and reclaim our culture, and part of that culture, is we all must adhere to the rule of law.
All you have to do, is read a news article, about how the Mexicans, treated our fellow Americans at the World Cup Soccer game, to see the mindset of these people. They threw bags of urine on our fellow Americans and cried Osama, Osama.
They are anti-American. They do not respect us, they do not respect our laws.
We must deport each and every single illegal Mexican immigrant. They must be punished for breaking our laws, just like we punish our own American citizens for breaking our laws.
Thank you,
Suzie, in Ohio
talk about how much money Clinton earned for the DNC during his 8 years in the White House.
Yes? But he was corrupt too. Then again, I don’t think lawyers should be chosen to make laws.
Suzie,
Call your president and your senators and representative…they’re the ones you need to rant to. Let them know how they should find every single one of these people and how much they should raise your taxes to pay for all the law enforcement folks that it would take. And remind them that every day they wait the probablility of terrorists entering the country increases. Nobody here can help you. Perform your function as a citizen and contact those who are responsible.
Andy,
Interesting concept…it seems that the state legislature (ex. Arizona) would need to initiate and approve said purchase of land for forts, etc. Or could Congress propose it themselves and AZ legislature approve? How do you read it?
Stan, as I understand it, the Feds would have to buy it in order to federalize it. The issue is, would the Feds use “emminent domain” to acquire private property and cities that fall within the zone?
That’s a can of worms opened by judicial activists to support cities taking away land from private citizens to allow cities to increase the tax base.
Suzie–excellent arguments.
stan–you’re quite right; I need to do that as well.
Suzie/Lorn/Stan, until every last one is deported, I guess it’s alright if your citizenship scrutinized everytime you turn around to make sure you’re not an illegal Hispanic, Orientl, African, Irishman or Martian.
If that’s the case, we may as well get a national ID. All the easier for big brother and big money to keep tabs on you.
Do you want CheckPoint to maintain your ID? Afterall that job will be effectively taken out of the States’ hands and we see what a sterling job TSA is doing to protect transportation.
Just as the justice system must sometimes let the guilty escape justice in order to ensure that we minimize injustice to the innocent, I’d rather maintain what fragment of the right to be anonymous that we have left, if it means some illegals will escape detection. Again, I don’t deny that we have an illegal immigration problem. I’m concerned about the Law of unintended consequences.
PS. The foolproof, failsafe ID system will be to put a mark on your forehead or hand.
Andy,
I think I’m more concerned about the terrorist threat at this point. I’m not willing to wait for a dirty nuclear weapon going off in DC or NY to wake us up.
I haven’t checked to see how much land on the borders is state, federal or private but it seems like putting “forts” along the border in fairly close proximity to each other manned by the National Guard would work. I’m taking the view that the Guard is synonymous with the militias in the Constitution. Am I on the right track? Fort Huachuca is very close to the border but I’m of the mind that the Army shouldn’t be involved in this, only the Guard.
And I don’t want a national ID either for the same reason you gave. A SS card and # is scary enough.
That won’t be necessary. I do believe that this society is already in a severe state of lockdown as it is. Nor do we need to deport every last one of them. Eisenhower’s “Operation Wetback” was sucessful because, in addition to those captured and sent back, it sent a clear message that a mass incursion will not be tolerated by the U.S. The message we are sending now is tacit approval, an overall winking at the problem and a cozying up to President Fox and his schemes.
As far as what we are to do, I think what we are doing has value in itself. It begins here at the grassroot level with informed citizens, and especially those who have joined the Minutemen in their quest. Much better, it would seem, than trying to contact our elected representatives [though we ought to do that as well, give 'em heck]. They are, in the main, bought and sold by the forces who wish a post-national New World Order and the end of sovereignty and borders. One shining exception is Tom Tancredo — how I wish I was in his district, I am about two miles further North in the district of Bush Bootlicker Bob Beauprez, Bah! Rep. Tancredo has even spoke at the minutemen’s opening day in Tombstone, Ariz.
Stan, as for how much land, check my first comment up above.
As for States protecting the border, they can. But they’ll also will look inland for reimbursement. I doubt they can shoot on sight. that in itself will be a big deterrent. Again, the Guard is severely strained in our taking the fight to the terrorist’s turf. That in itself has a bigger return on the buck as opposed to retreating back to our border.
If that happens, then the terrorist will get in cahoots with Mexican drug lords and lob dirty bombs over the fence. All that does nothing to alleviate the teeming masses looking for a better life.
I’m sort of taking the Kantian view that maybe a bomb going off in DC or NYC is preferable to me being responsible for the deaths of innocents trying to get in or otherwise holding them down by denying that opportunity for a better life.
Frankly, we already have nests of terrorists within our midst. Locking the border down will not prevent such a bomb going off. There’s plenty of off the shelf materials, along with radioactive materials for you or I to make such a dirty bomb. In that sense, I’m not AS worried about material crossing the border.
Here’s an for instance: regarding the recall of that 1950’s Flu virus. What’s to stop some doctor who already received it from passing it off to his local terrorist to unleash it in your neighborhood. Would that keep you up at night?
Mark, all I can say is that I think the tide is turning against the pro-undocumented base.
Barring Federal intervention, what States can do is rollback all of the giveaways and what have you that encourage illegals to take advantage of our system. Rollback the right to free schooling, healthcare, translation/bi-lingualism. You want to work? Learn English and USE it. Public officials shouldn’t even give you the time of day en Espanol if you’re illegal.
And no, the judicial branch does not have the last word, contrary to what the MSM/DNC would have us believe. They can be countermanded and if need be impeached by the legislative branch.
You know, there was a reason why originally the Senate was supposed to be chosen by the legislature of the home State — ACCOUNTABILITY!!! The Senate is not a place to maintain a career. They’re to come in and represent their State’s interest and not give a rat about some namby-pamby global test.
Andy,
They DO come in and represent their state’s interests…that’s why we have pork and a huge budget deficit. The only way they can stay elected is to get more from the tax pie for their state or district. And that’s why all the conservative talk about balanced federal budgets for the last 45 years is a bunch of lying hypocrisy. They all want to get more money for their state and take it away from your’s and mine. Or as VP Cheney said, “President Reagan taught us that budget deficits don’t matter.” Say what?!!
And Andy, with no disrespect meant at all, I still can’t believe that you’re willing to accept more terrorist attacks so that we can protect the opportunities of folks from south of the border. I’m truly sorry to disagree with you but I just can’t buy that argument. The Minutemen will fade away in the next month or two when the AZ desert heats up and will be remembered only in very small footnotes in obscure history books, if at all (and I’m for them).
Stan, it may be semantics to you, but I think there is a different dynamic at work whether a Senator is sent by public voters or sent by legislative branch. Sort of the dynamic vis a vis over the Bolton confirmation. Imagine if we the voters got to directly elect someone to the UN.
I’m not arguing about protecting the opportunities of folk from south of the border. I’m arguing that if there’s no relief on their pressures that they will explode and the damage could be greater than the damage by a terrorist bomb.
Afterall, we already have 10 – 20 million illegals within our midst that could make anything inflicted by a bunch of misogynist ragheads look like a minor incident. Not that I “fear” illegal immigrants, because I truly believe a majority only want a better chance. But like a cornered animal will attack a much larger foe, 10 million people who feel like they’re running for their lives will act irrationally and unpredictably.
Which is a greater loss? A couple million in DC/NYC from a terroist attack or millions down south? That’s my “Kantian” point that perhaps better that some die at the hands of evil doers in spite of my efforts to prevent it, but I wouldn’t want to be party to a policy that is equally deadly to those whose only crime is to be born “American” in spirit but stuck in another land, just so we can maintain our sense of status quo.
Before you wig out and accuse me of being anti-American, let me say that I’ve always believed that we should spend our blood and treasure to defeat tyranny. Manifest destiny? Perhaps. But I happen to believe that when we say “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights”, the truths aren’t unique to America.
Throwing money at some organization (UN) and hope the problem goes away somehow or that if we tolerate/prop up a “friendly” dictator, things will maintain some sort of status quo (read real-politic) is a crock.
I mean defeat tyranny, like we’re doing in Iraq and should have done in ‘91. like we should have stood up to Hitler early on saving 10s of millions at the cost of a couple million. Or like Hungary, or like Czechslovakia, or like Poland, or like Rawanda, or like Sudan, or like Cambodia, or like any other place that tyranny dares rear its head. Like whack-a-mole.
But I’d wager you this, had we had the moral backbone then, we wouldn’t have seen half of what we’re seeing now.
Andy,
Surely your tongue must be deeply imbedded in your cheek…no sane person would be willing to trade millions of deaths in the U.S. for the millions in the pressure cooker to the south. If I remember, you said above that each and every one should be deported. That’s what would cause them to go crazy. I don’t understand…either I’m totally misunderstanding you or you’re acting irrationally. And I’m not calling you anti-American.
Stan–thanks for the explanation–sounds like a VERY tough undertaking. I thought my question wasn’t posted, which is why I just read your answer.
Stan, I was dooming and glooming. Try this for a reasoned approach:
I see a possible and compassionate resolution, and Bush has the political capital to expend on, dare I say, a nuanced and credible position on the following;
1) State unequivocably that future illegal border crossing will not be tolerated beginning on a certain date.
2) Lay out the terms for amnesty, set up a review board for every city & town – say about a 30 mile radius – and give all illegals 90 days to register for an amnesty review hearing and receive a number.
3) In that 90 day grace period, those that know they won’t qualify may as well pack up their bags, take care of loose ends and leave. On their way out, they will have to submit to a biometric exit registration, so we know who they are should they think about returning before the “undocumented statute of limitations†runs out. (depending on circumstances, several years to never)
4) Those who think they have a shot at amnesty will continue as before while waiting for their hearing. the same conditions will also discourage those trying to sneak across, since a) they won’t be able to meet the qualifications, & b) if caught, they will be registered via biometrics and barred for life – it’d make sense for them to wait and go thru proper channels.
5) Any found here after 90 days without a review number will be summarily barred for life.
6) The results of the review could run the gamut from a 3-month per year guest worker visa (seasonal workers) to a green card. (Before ya’ll get blown out of shape, all of the conditions need to be thot out and codified before we start the process.
7) Once the wrinkles have been ironed out, we can then begin processing foreign applicants from their home country for temporary work visas.
Once we have an orderly process, the burden on employers to vet potential empolyers will be dramatically lightened and workers will pay into the tax base – all the more reason for a flat tax/sales tax system. And we will have realistically (can never 100% eliminate w/o becoming a police state) and dramatically reduced the illegal problem
Andy,
I need to think your ideas through a little more but it’s really good work for you to have put something specific together.
Stan, thanks. If nothing else, I think it’s a starting point for the politicians.
Stan,
I have written, called and got directly in my government officials face, they do not care about this issue, because they are benefiting from this crime.
The only people who want these illegal immigrants here, are the illegal immigrants, themselves, their families and the traitors reaping the financial and political windfall of this crime.
I have done the work of calling, writing, like the Minutemen, we are going to have to get physical about it.
All they have to do, to rid our great country, of these invaders, deputize Americans, believe me, we will get the job done.
When I say physical, I do not mean violent. I mean, get off our sofas, and act.
Tell me. If we are going to continue to have immigration, who do we allow in?
Only those of hispanic descent? Sounds racist to me.
You want action? Know of any illegal day workers, hanging around on the corners of your streets, to steal jobs from Americans?
Well, unemployed Americans, should be right there at those same sights, demanding, their treasonist countrymen, hire them.
Action, action, action, we must stop the talk.
Why is it hundreds of illegal Mexicans, can unite to flood the stairways of our courthouses and demand their rights, when they are suppose to be so hard working.
Most Americans, do not have that kind of time, because they really are hard at work.
It is our job to remove these illegal immigrants. We have every right to protect our country.
But we must be of one mind, and one accord.
I am increasingly, becoming ashamed, to call myself an American.
We use to be tough, now we have become a bunch of pansies, allowing everyone to walk all over us.
We are allowing another country to take us over, and all they have to do is walk across our border.
Thank you,
Suzie, in Ohio
Have a great day.
Suzie, just a note.
There’s been occasions where I’ve hung out at where ever it is that day workers hang out looking for pick-up work. And I’m not an immigrant. Nor were some of the others. Seeing how those pick-up spots are common local knowledge, I don’t think the illegals were stealing jobs per se, since real Americans have an equal opportunity to look for work by hanging out there as well. That they don’t indicates most Americans would rather be elsewhere, instead of looking for work that way.
Obviously, the military is not waiting around on the politicians to make a decision before making plans to secure the border.
Preventing Armageddon I: Enhancing America’s Border & Port Security After 9/11
http://www.ccc.nps.navy.mil/si/2004/nov/zellenNOV04.asp
I believe in a person applying for legal entrance into our country. I believe that a resident of Mexico or Canada being employed on a daily basis in the United States. I believe local law enforcement should check for citizenship. I believe all paperwork should be in order before a driver’s lisence is issued. I also believe that these legal visitors should pay payroll taxes. I believe they should be eligable to emergency medical care but their employer would be responsible for such care while on the job. I believe that any child born within the confines of the United States should have citizenship—when they attain the age of majority. Their parents could not stay in the United States just because they had a baby here. However if the parents thought it important enough they could keep their paperwork up until the child was eighteen or twenty-one and then they would be regular citizens. To finish our ideal thoughts the parents could apply for citizenship and all could live happily ever after.
Sounds nice,huh?
I went through all of this to establish myself as a tolerant American citizen. The reason for this qualification is leading me into the real reason for my writing. THE MINUTEMAN PROJECT. I would like to know more about it. I might be interested in taking part. The national news media is basically ignoring it. When they do it usually has a negative taste to it. A Tuson TV reporter who allegadely went undercover to gain information told of the orientation having an instruction about talking to the media, some of the participants toting shotguns around. The Border Patrol down plays it. The ACLU tries to place it into a light that represents a bunch of militas. Most of the blogs I’ve seen seem to only represent one side of what the project really is. How do you really know? I would hate to drive fifteen hundred miles and find out I didn’t want to be a part of this group. Boy, do we need a streight line reporting news service.
smokey l
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