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		<title>By: firebird</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/04/14/crimes/comment-page-2/#comment-39774</link>
		<dc:creator>firebird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Apr 2005 00:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And TED KACZYNSKI(the UNIBOMBER)commited his crimes in the name of the enviroment and was a big time eco-freak who lived in a cabin without electricity or running water and rode a bicycle and made most of the stuff for his bombs by hand he also read AL GORES eco-babble book EARTH IN THE BALANCE </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And TED KACZYNSKI(the UNIBOMBER)commited his crimes in the name of the enviroment and was a big time eco-freak who lived in a cabin without electricity or running water and rode a bicycle and made most of the stuff for his bombs by hand he also read AL GORES eco-babble book EARTH IN THE BALANCE</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/04/14/crimes/comment-page-2/#comment-37817</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Apr 2005 18:56:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Evon, I was visualizing &quot;Bobby&quot; &amp; &quot;Eugene&quot;, from The Practice, when I told Actus (comment #71) in La Shawn&#039;s latest post on hate crime that &quot;...if Iâ€™m ever in your jury pool, just go ahead and strike me out. Even tho I would do my utmost to be impartial, I just donâ€™t want to have to endure months, at reduced pay, listening to you spin justice on her head.&quot;  :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evon, I was visualizing &#8220;Bobby&#8221; &amp; &#8220;Eugene&#8221;, from The Practice, when I told Actus (comment #71) in La Shawn&#8217;s latest post on hate crime that &#8220;&#8230;if Iâ€™m ever in your jury pool, just go ahead and strike me out. Even tho I would do my utmost to be impartial, I just donâ€™t want to have to endure months, at reduced pay, listening to you spin justice on her head.&#8221;  <img src='http://lashawnbarber.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Michael E. Cummins</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/04/14/crimes/comment-page-2/#comment-37584</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael E. Cummins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Apr 2005 15:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim R, I used the term purposefully to illustrate the problems I have with the idea.  I have no hidden agenda and I am listening, not trying to persuade.  Visit my blog to get a feel for me if you doubt my character.

So you know, I am a veteran of the first Gulf war, US Navy.  I served in Bosnia/Herzegovina, Mogadishu, Somalia. My father is a Vietnam Veteran and a retired police officer.  I spent my youth listening to his spare police radio during the 1980 riots, when a police officer was hurt they would rattle off the badge number roll call.  The whole family listened at times just to see if Dad was going to come home, or if we were going to the hospital.  Dad used to wear T-Shirts that said &quot;How do you like your justice, regular or extra crispy&quot; as a caption to a picture of &quot;old sparky&quot;.  

True of all wine, I taste of my grapes.

I only admitted that I was going through a period of doubt and self examination.  I asked other people here in this venue (Ms Barber and I donâ€™t always see eye to eye but I have a great amount of respect for her and the environment she has fostered here) what their feelings were on the matter.

So no.  No hidden agendas.  I asked a question, and I am listening.  

Your argument, though cogent, did not address the seeds of my doubts.  My doubts are not based in whether or not murder is murder because it is condoned by the laws of man, or even because I think that the world is a better place without such scum.  

No, my doubts are based in whether or not killing the man is aligned with Godâ€™s will.  I am no spiritual scholar, I honestly donâ€™t know, hence the questions.

...after all, I support our actions in the Middle East and believe that the world is going to be a safer place when it is all said and done.  There was an awful lot of â€œmurderâ€ going on there, committed by both sides.  If I was firmly on the other side of the fence, as you suspected, I would have a *big* problem with that.  I donâ€™t.  I think that the price we are paying for the birth of freedom is well worth it.

From a spiritual perspective, is this hypocritical of me?  

Anyway.  The reason I asked *this* particular venue was because I was more interested in the spiritual perspective, not my own or the governmentâ€™s.  

What do the faithful here think of the issue?

Thanks for the give and take.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim R, I used the term purposefully to illustrate the problems I have with the idea.  I have no hidden agenda and I am listening, not trying to persuade.  Visit my blog to get a feel for me if you doubt my character.</p>
<p>So you know, I am a veteran of the first Gulf war, US Navy.  I served in Bosnia/Herzegovina, Mogadishu, Somalia. My father is a Vietnam Veteran and a retired police officer.  I spent my youth listening to his spare police radio during the 1980 riots, when a police officer was hurt they would rattle off the badge number roll call.  The whole family listened at times just to see if Dad was going to come home, or if we were going to the hospital.  Dad used to wear T-Shirts that said &#8220;How do you like your justice, regular or extra crispy&#8221; as a caption to a picture of &#8220;old sparky&#8221;.  </p>
<p>True of all wine, I taste of my grapes.</p>
<p>I only admitted that I was going through a period of doubt and self examination.  I asked other people here in this venue (Ms Barber and I donâ€™t always see eye to eye but I have a great amount of respect for her and the environment she has fostered here) what their feelings were on the matter.</p>
<p>So no.  No hidden agendas.  I asked a question, and I am listening.  </p>
<p>Your argument, though cogent, did not address the seeds of my doubts.  My doubts are not based in whether or not murder is murder because it is condoned by the laws of man, or even because I think that the world is a better place without such scum.  </p>
<p>No, my doubts are based in whether or not killing the man is aligned with Godâ€™s will.  I am no spiritual scholar, I honestly donâ€™t know, hence the questions.</p>
<p>&#8230;after all, I support our actions in the Middle East and believe that the world is going to be a safer place when it is all said and done.  There was an awful lot of â€œmurderâ€ going on there, committed by both sides.  If I was firmly on the other side of the fence, as you suspected, I would have a *big* problem with that.  I donâ€™t.  I think that the price we are paying for the birth of freedom is well worth it.</p>
<p>From a spiritual perspective, is this hypocritical of me?  </p>
<p>Anyway.  The reason I asked *this* particular venue was because I was more interested in the spiritual perspective, not my own or the governmentâ€™s.  </p>
<p>What do the faithful here think of the issue?</p>
<p>Thanks for the give and take.</p>
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		<title>By: Walter E. Wallis</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/04/14/crimes/comment-page-2/#comment-37516</link>
		<dc:creator>Walter E. Wallis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Apr 2005 14:03:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Given my druthers, everyone convicted of murder in the first degree would be executed within 2 years of conviction or let free.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given my druthers, everyone convicted of murder in the first degree would be executed within 2 years of conviction or let free.</p>
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		<title>By: ReSoT4eM</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/04/14/crimes/comment-page-2/#comment-37507</link>
		<dc:creator>ReSoT4eM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Apr 2005 03:40:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>La Shawn, I agree with your post on every count.  

Mike M, Rudolph is a terrorist - there is no other way to describe him.  Here&#039;s one definition from Wiki: use of violence for the purpose of creating fear in order to achieve a political, religious, or ideological goal.  If he was Palestinian, Iraqi, or a Basque separatist, what would he be called? A Terrorist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>La Shawn, I agree with your post on every count.  </p>
<p>Mike M, Rudolph is a terrorist &#8211; there is no other way to describe him.  Here&#8217;s one definition from Wiki: use of violence for the purpose of creating fear in order to achieve a political, religious, or ideological goal.  If he was Palestinian, Iraqi, or a Basque separatist, what would he be called? A Terrorist.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Apr 2005 02:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim R, ditto!</description>
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		<title>By: La Shawn</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/04/14/crimes/comment-page-1/#comment-37503</link>
		<dc:creator>La Shawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Apr 2005 02:10:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OVERNIGHT COMMENT MODERATION IS IN EFFECT.</description>
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		<title>By: Jim R</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/04/14/crimes/comment-page-1/#comment-37502</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Apr 2005 01:28:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, You&#039;re still misusing the term murder.

I am beginning to doubt you are a fence sitter on capital punishment. Those who have made up their minds and are in the &#039;recruiting&#039; mode purposely misuse this word to confuse...uh, I mean convince, others. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, You&#8217;re still misusing the term murder.</p>
<p>I am beginning to doubt you are a fence sitter on capital punishment. Those who have made up their minds and are in the &#8216;recruiting&#8217; mode purposely misuse this word to confuse&#8230;uh, I mean convince, others.</p>
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		<title>By: Evon Bachaus</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/04/14/crimes/comment-page-1/#comment-37495</link>
		<dc:creator>Evon Bachaus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Apr 2005 23:07:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I finally remembered, the name of that Sunday evening show is &quot;The Practice.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I finally remembered, the name of that Sunday evening show is &#8220;The Practice.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Miguelito</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/04/14/crimes/comment-page-1/#comment-37494</link>
		<dc:creator>Miguelito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Apr 2005 22:50:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another post rhetorically asked, &quot;why all the media attention?&quot; about this Rudolph guy.  

There WASN&#039;T much attention about this guy in the media.  To say this guy is simply an â€œangry White man&quot; is an understatement and implies something I doubt you care to imply - ie., lumping the many southern white men who vote Republican into the same extreme camp as Rudolph.  If it is in fact true that the &quot;vast resources of the Federal Government&quot; were diverted toward finding this guy, why has it taken 9 years to find and prosecute him?  But digressing from these points, thank you for identifying Rudolph as a &quot;serious terrorist&quot;, a title which I feel is fitting and one that I have not yet heard used in the so-called &quot;liberal&quot; media.  Terrorists are terrorists whether they be extremist Christian fundamentalists, extreme Zionists, or the terrorists that carry out acts in the name of Islam.  

Thank you for allowing me, a liberal Christian, to post on your site, La Shawn.  God bless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another post rhetorically asked, &#8220;why all the media attention?&#8221; about this Rudolph guy.  </p>
<p>There WASN&#8217;T much attention about this guy in the media.  To say this guy is simply an â€œangry White man&#8221; is an understatement and implies something I doubt you care to imply &#8211; ie., lumping the many southern white men who vote Republican into the same extreme camp as Rudolph.  If it is in fact true that the &#8220;vast resources of the Federal Government&#8221; were diverted toward finding this guy, why has it taken 9 years to find and prosecute him?  But digressing from these points, thank you for identifying Rudolph as a &#8220;serious terrorist&#8221;, a title which I feel is fitting and one that I have not yet heard used in the so-called &#8220;liberal&#8221; media.  Terrorists are terrorists whether they be extremist Christian fundamentalists, extreme Zionists, or the terrorists that carry out acts in the name of Islam.  </p>
<p>Thank you for allowing me, a liberal Christian, to post on your site, La Shawn.  God bless.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Apr 2005 18:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Evon, interesting isn&#039;t it? Yep, it&#039;s an upside down world when we try to navigate without God&#039;s Word.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evon, interesting isn&#8217;t it? Yep, it&#8217;s an upside down world when we try to navigate without God&#8217;s Word.</p>
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		<title>By: Evon Bachaus</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/04/14/crimes/comment-page-1/#comment-37479</link>
		<dc:creator>Evon Bachaus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Apr 2005 17:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has anyone noticed that movies and TV shows that implicitly oppose the death penalty, appear to implicitly condone &quot;passion&quot; murders?  The movie &quot;A Time for Killing&quot; and that Sunday evening law firm show whose name I forget are but a few examples.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anyone noticed that movies and TV shows that implicitly oppose the death penalty, appear to implicitly condone &#8220;passion&#8221; murders?  The movie &#8220;A Time for Killing&#8221; and that Sunday evening law firm show whose name I forget are but a few examples.</p>
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		<title>By: Deborah White</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/04/14/crimes/comment-page-1/#comment-37475</link>
		<dc:creator>Deborah White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Apr 2005 16:57:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen to your comments about Eric Rudolph. Extremism gone wrong in any direction is dangerous and terribly misguided. 

Thanks for your blog. I enjoy reading it. Always helpful to get another viewpoint. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen to your comments about Eric Rudolph. Extremism gone wrong in any direction is dangerous and terribly misguided. </p>
<p>Thanks for your blog. I enjoy reading it. Always helpful to get another viewpoint.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael E. Cummins</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/04/14/crimes/comment-page-1/#comment-37467</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael E. Cummins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Apr 2005 15:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;&quot;Abortion = killing the most innocent; Death Penalty = killing the most guilty&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

Still, your argument is based on the discretionary judgment of man.  I don&#039;t want to get into a judgment debate; that&#039;s a morass of emotional swill with no clear victor save LaShawn, and that&#039;s only because this is her Blog.  

Emotionally, I&#039;m with you.  

I&#039;m just saying, the older I get, the more I begin to question the decisions that I know are built from a purely emotional or purely rational foundation.  There is a spiritual component that needs to be involved, and I think that this is the part of me that feels greasy afterwards; this is the part of me that knows that it is not my place to make that decision.

I&#039;m not saying I have the answer either, and I&#039;m no Quaker or Conscientious Objector.  The manâ€™s freedom is a threat to society; it brought evil into this world and set it loose.  There need to be clear and profound consequences.

I&#039;m just saying that it feels greasy to condone his murder â€“ righteous, justified, state sanctioned, lawful, popular or not. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8220;Abortion = killing the most innocent; Death Penalty = killing the most guilty&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Still, your argument is based on the discretionary judgment of man.  I don&#8217;t want to get into a judgment debate; that&#8217;s a morass of emotional swill with no clear victor save LaShawn, and that&#8217;s only because this is her Blog.  </p>
<p>Emotionally, I&#8217;m with you.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m just saying, the older I get, the more I begin to question the decisions that I know are built from a purely emotional or purely rational foundation.  There is a spiritual component that needs to be involved, and I think that this is the part of me that feels greasy afterwards; this is the part of me that knows that it is not my place to make that decision.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying I have the answer either, and I&#8217;m no Quaker or Conscientious Objector.  The manâ€™s freedom is a threat to society; it brought evil into this world and set it loose.  There need to be clear and profound consequences.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just saying that it feels greasy to condone his murder â€“ righteous, justified, state sanctioned, lawful, popular or not.</p>
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		<title>By: RepJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>RepJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Apr 2005 15:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The death penalty is not hypocritical, IMO.  I know that many liberals try to point out abortion and death penalty as being the same, but they are not, and here is why.

Abortion = killing the most innocent
Death Penalty = killing the most guilty</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The death penalty is not hypocritical, IMO.  I know that many liberals try to point out abortion and death penalty as being the same, but they are not, and here is why.</p>
<p>Abortion = killing the most innocent<br />
Death Penalty = killing the most guilty</p>
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