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By: Sierra Faith » Blog Archive » Respect for Law

Sierra Faith » Blog Archive » Respect for Law — Thu, 28 Apr 2005 06:43:52 +0000

[...] he respect for law, its makers, interpreters and executive in the context of citizenship. La Shawn Barber cuts to the chase in two simple paragraphs: As you may know, the Senate is [...]

By: Parableman

Parableman — Sat, 23 Apr 2005 01:51:41 +0000

Rewarding Criminal Activity?

La Shawn Barber has been complaining about Bush’s plan to move illegal immigrant workers into a status where they can be kept better track of and abused less by the employers who illegally hire them. See also Sierra Faith, where…

By: Andy

Andy — Fri, 22 Apr 2005 14:03:20 +0000

Now that AgJobs has been killed, back to the drawing board.

By: Andy

Andy — Wed, 20 Apr 2005 23:21:20 +0000

If it’s any solace for the no-green-card-for illegals, the 6 year timeline gives plenty of time to fix that “error”

By: actus

actus — Wed, 20 Apr 2005 20:43:52 +0000

“Actus, what bill are you reading? After six years as a â€œtemporary workerâ€, as long as they perform at leat 100 hours of Ag work a year and donâ€™t commit any other crimes, they get a green card!”

When this was first introed awhile ago I got a different description. This is better.

By: Tim Binh

Tim Binh — Wed, 20 Apr 2005 18:25:53 +0000

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This isnâ€™t an amnesty bill. It doesnâ€™t lead to citizenship. It leads to deportation.

Comment by actus â€” 04.19.05 @ 7:14 pm
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Actus, what bill are you reading? After six years as a “temporary worker”, as long as they perform at leat 100 hours of Ag work a year and don’t commit any other crimes, they get a green card! That is not deportation, it is the first step to Citizenship!

Plus, all of their immediate family member will also get green cards.

By: Jim R

Jim R — Wed, 20 Apr 2005 15:45:32 +0000

America, its people, security, and sovereignty are being gradually caught-up in a perfect political storm.

Pro low-wage-labor Republicans and pro support the-poor Democrats are joining to allow, not prevent, continued illegal entry into this country under the guise of the humane matching of a needy laborer(should this be slave?) to a needy(should this be greedy?) employer, all other interests aside.

What we are witnessing here, because the results are the same, is the selling of American workers on an international slave auction block for cheap and cheaper labor. International free-trade agreements began under the Democrats and continued gleefully under the Republicans, while a good idea and religiously adhered to by us, blatant violations of these agreements are NOT being ENFORCED by our paid representatives.

Washington DC’s failure to fix the rampant cheating of American hiring businesses through international patent, copyright and product dumping violations coupled with failure to fix the rampant cheating of American labor through international violations of foreign factory workers wage/union/safety/pollution conditions, has rendered American labor non-competitive and powerless in its own nation.

It’s insult to injury for our elected representatives, highly paid with our taxes they enact and DO ENFORCE, to fix the international violations of our borders for the security, sovereignty, competitiveness, and national debt load we are paying for.

You just can’t make this up.

By: Heck

Heck — Wed, 20 Apr 2005 15:05:35 +0000

It looks an awful lot like indentured servitude. Those agri-business creeps, and their lackeys in congress, are trying to pull a fast one.

By: bucktowndusty

bucktowndusty — Wed, 20 Apr 2005 13:44:37 +0000

Here’s what I think of Willing Employers and Willing Employees http://www.fromthepen.com/issue59.html

By: Rafael Daniel

Rafael Daniel — Wed, 20 Apr 2005 09:37:20 +0000

La Shawn, I appreciate the fact you are honest enough to see this fiasco for what it is.

By: Iowa Voice

Iowa Voice — Wed, 20 Apr 2005 06:52:25 +0000

Immigration News And Updates

I just read that Mexico’s foreign secretary said that one day his country and ours will “be integrated”. What does he mean by that, I wonder? They may as well be the 51st state, because they already act like they belong with us.

He went on to c…

By: Tobacotoe

Tobacotoe — Wed, 20 Apr 2005 03:47:30 +0000

The fact is that most illegal migrant agricultural labor does make at least minimum wage. That is really not the issue. The issue, at least for the agricultural employers knowingly employing illegals, is maintaining a low harvesting/labor cost. If they were forced to use “legal” labor the rate would go up, in some cases quite a bit. So the influx of illegals to this industry is really a way of suppressing rate/wage increases.
As to the subject of illegals paying into the SS “fund”. How long can an employer carry an illegal “on the books” before his bogus ID bounces back from SS? At best weeks. This is a myth; you cannot keep up with all the bounced SS numbers employing illegals as if they were legal. Most illegals working in agriculture are either “off the books” and the workers comp rolls, or are employed as independent contractors. As a contractor, being issued a 1099 at years end, the employer has at least a year to 18 months before IRS will notify you of a problem with the SS number. Off the books the illegals are mixed into crews that have some legals. Personally, I never saw the “profit” in carrying illegal labor this way. Why should you get stuck with their tax burden?
The real solution to this problem is to have it addressed as it was many years ago. If an employer is found to knowingly employ illegals in violation of the law, BURN them good! This worked for many a year. The invasion we are dealing with now only came about because the Government stopped the enforcement of these laws. The slide began after the ‘86 amnesty, one of the most fraud-ridden events I’ve ever been witness to. It just accelerated in the last half of the 90’s, to the flood we see today. I guarantee that if enough employers got time in club fed it would suddenly be to expensive to opt for illegal labor. Border security is important, but alone it will not stop the flow, they come because they know they will get work.
What really make me utterly disgusted is the Republicans who would destroy this Republic to gain financially. The Senate is utterly corrupt. Perhaps Mr. Jefferson was correct about The Tree of Liberty.

By: Chris Roberts

Chris Roberts — Tue, 19 Apr 2005 23:52:58 +0000

Ah, but its greater goal is amnesty. Bush is kowtowing just like Reagan with the last great amnesty, which will only encourage more illegal immigration despite the fact that employers could have others deported.

Its effect on us in Texas will be chilling. It is already excruciatingly difficult working with students who have no command of the English language but are supposed to pass and excel at courses taught exclusively in English. That is not an endorsement of the current bilingual ed program, but something has to give!!!

By: Walter E. Wallis

Walter E. Wallis — Tue, 19 Apr 2005 23:48:18 +0000

It should be obvious that Vincente Fox has compromising pictures of Bush.
As a minimum we should require any worker to have a certificate from the Mexican government vouching for their honesty and promising that Mexico will send them back to the United States for trial in the event they are charged with any crime, and that Mexico will take them back should they become a burden on the U.S. taxpayers.
Mexico can pay for these services by a tax on the money their workers send home.

By: actus

actus — Tue, 19 Apr 2005 23:14:49 +0000

“For Bush to reward this horde of criminals that entered illegally along the southern border, just because he wants to please El Presidente Fox, is a slap in the face to my friend and to everyone else who endured the time and expense to play by the rules. ”

This isn’t an amnesty bill. It doesn’t lead to citizenship. It leads to deportation.