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		<title>By: RedBeard</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/04/20/naacp-2/comment-page-2/#comment-40810</link>
		<dc:creator>RedBeard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Apr 2005 23:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob Dole has a good piece in the New York Times:

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/27/opinion/27dole.html?oref=login</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob Dole has a good piece in the New York Times:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/27/opinion/27dole.html?oref=login" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/27/opinion/27dole.html?oref=login</a></p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/04/20/naacp-2/comment-page-2/#comment-40746</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Apr 2005 16:00:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While NAACP flip-flops on the filabuster.  I wonder if they will be flip-flopping on Queazy&#039;s real reason for leaving the NAACP.  According to leaks last night/today, it&#039;s over a woman filing sexual harassment a la Jesse Jackson.  And will Marylnd voters flip-flop their moral values to go ahead and elect Queazy for political office?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While NAACP flip-flops on the filabuster.  I wonder if they will be flip-flopping on Queazy&#8217;s real reason for leaving the NAACP.  According to leaks last night/today, it&#8217;s over a woman filing sexual harassment a la Jesse Jackson.  And will Marylnd voters flip-flop their moral values to go ahead and elect Queazy for political office?</p>
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		<title>By: RedBeard</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/04/20/naacp-2/comment-page-2/#comment-39771</link>
		<dc:creator>RedBeard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Apr 2005 00:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rafael, you know this latest flip-flop by the NAACP and by the New York Times has nothing to do with maturing, or intellectual re-examination, or anything else deliberative.  It&#039;s pure political opportunism.  Filibuster BAD, except when it benefits the left.  Then filibuster GOOD.  Let&#039;s at least be honest about what&#039;s going on here, and then we can discuss the relative merits of differing positions.      </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rafael, you know this latest flip-flop by the NAACP and by the New York Times has nothing to do with maturing, or intellectual re-examination, or anything else deliberative.  It&#8217;s pure political opportunism.  Filibuster BAD, except when it benefits the left.  Then filibuster GOOD.  Let&#8217;s at least be honest about what&#8217;s going on here, and then we can discuss the relative merits of differing positions.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/04/20/naacp-2/comment-page-2/#comment-39770</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Apr 2005 00:13:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rafael, you come up with some good points and I am firmly convinced that intelligent people should change their views as they learn and integrate new facts into their worldview.

However, this is not the case.  To wit, I&#039;ve substituted Democrat for Republican, Times for Fox News and a couple of other switches to include swapping the paragraphs and look what I came up with below.  Just in case anyone misses the impact, I&#039;ve bolded the changed text.  This is nothing but a pure political flip-flop.
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A January 1, 1995, &lt;strong&gt;Fox News&lt;/strong&gt; editorial on proposals to restrict the use of Senate filibusters:
The &lt;strong&gt;Democrats&lt;/strong&gt; are claiming that 51 votes should be enough to win confirmation of the White House&#039;s judicial nominees. This flies in the face of Senate history. . . . To block the nominees, the &lt;strong&gt;Republicans&#039;&lt;/strong&gt; weapon of choice has been the filibuster, a time-honored Senate procedure that prevents a bare majority of senators from running roughshod. . . . The &lt;strong&gt;Clinton&lt;/strong&gt; administration likes to call itself &quot;&lt;strong&gt;progressive&lt;/strong&gt;,&quot; but there is nothing &lt;strong&gt;progressive&lt;/strong&gt; about endangering one of the great institutions of American democracy, the United States Senate, for the sake of an ideological crusade.

A March 6, 2005, &lt;strong&gt;Fox News&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;strong&gt; editorial on the same subject:
In the last session of Congress, the &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Democrat&lt;/strong&gt; minority invoked an endless string of filibusters to frustrate the will of the majority. This relentless abuse of a time-honored Senate tradition so disgusted Senator &lt;strong&gt;Bill Frist&lt;/strong&gt;, a &lt;strong&gt;Republican&lt;/strong&gt; from &lt;strong&gt;Tennesee&lt;/strong&gt;, that he is now willing to forgo easy retribution and drastically limit the filibuster. Hooray for him. . . . Once a rarely used tactic reserved for issues on which senators held passionate views, the filibuster has become the tool of the sore loser, . . . an archaic rule that frustrates democracy and serves no useful purpose.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rafael, you come up with some good points and I am firmly convinced that intelligent people should change their views as they learn and integrate new facts into their worldview.</p>
<p>However, this is not the case.  To wit, I&#8217;ve substituted Democrat for Republican, Times for Fox News and a couple of other switches to include swapping the paragraphs and look what I came up with below.  Just in case anyone misses the impact, I&#8217;ve bolded the changed text.  This is nothing but a pure political flip-flop.<br />
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A January 1, 1995, <strong>Fox News</strong> editorial on proposals to restrict the use of Senate filibusters:<br />
The <strong>Democrats</strong> are claiming that 51 votes should be enough to win confirmation of the White House&#8217;s judicial nominees. This flies in the face of Senate history. . . . To block the nominees, the <strong>Republicans&#8217;</strong> weapon of choice has been the filibuster, a time-honored Senate procedure that prevents a bare majority of senators from running roughshod. . . . The <strong>Clinton</strong> administration likes to call itself &#8220;<strong>progressive</strong>,&#8221; but there is nothing <strong>progressive</strong> about endangering one of the great institutions of American democracy, the United States Senate, for the sake of an ideological crusade.</p>
<p>A March 6, 2005, <strong>Fox News</strong><strong> editorial on the same subject:<br />
In the last session of Congress, the </strong><strong>Democrat</strong> minority invoked an endless string of filibusters to frustrate the will of the majority. This relentless abuse of a time-honored Senate tradition so disgusted Senator <strong>Bill Frist</strong>, a <strong>Republican</strong> from <strong>Tennesee</strong>, that he is now willing to forgo easy retribution and drastically limit the filibuster. Hooray for him. . . . Once a rarely used tactic reserved for issues on which senators held passionate views, the filibuster has become the tool of the sore loser, . . . an archaic rule that frustrates democracy and serves no useful purpose.</p>
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		<title>By: Rafael Daniel</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/04/20/naacp-2/comment-page-2/#comment-39758</link>
		<dc:creator>Rafael Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Apr 2005 21:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Redbeard and Andy, I hope you two never change your mind about anything. Ten years (and probably a different writer) isn&#039;t necessarily flip-flopping. I suppose you would accuse Jesus of flip-flopping because of the different statements He made in Luke 22:36 and John 18:11. Different circumstances require different points of view sometimes. Both of you are too intelligent not to know that or employ it in your own daily lives. To suggest that views can&#039;t or shouldn&#039;t evolve is ludicrous AND disingenuous. Are you two STILL sucking your thumbs? I hope not! Give me a break.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Redbeard and Andy, I hope you two never change your mind about anything. Ten years (and probably a different writer) isn&#8217;t necessarily flip-flopping. I suppose you would accuse Jesus of flip-flopping because of the different statements He made in Luke 22:36 and John 18:11. Different circumstances require different points of view sometimes. Both of you are too intelligent not to know that or employ it in your own daily lives. To suggest that views can&#8217;t or shouldn&#8217;t evolve is ludicrous AND disingenuous. Are you two STILL sucking your thumbs? I hope not! Give me a break.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/04/20/naacp-2/comment-page-2/#comment-39666</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Apr 2005 03:21:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Redbeard, I&#039;m loving it. Flip-flopping depending on who benefits.  ROTFLOL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Redbeard, I&#8217;m loving it. Flip-flopping depending on who benefits.  ROTFLOL.</p>
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		<title>By: RedBeard</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/04/20/naacp-2/comment-page-2/#comment-39457</link>
		<dc:creator>RedBeard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Apr 2005 12:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Found in the Weekly Standard:


Obligatory New York Times Hypocrisy Item


A January 1, 1995, Times editorial on proposals to restrict the use of Senate filibusters:

In the last session of Congress, the Republican minority invoked an endless string of filibusters to frustrate the will of the majority. This relentless abuse of a time-honored Senate tradition so disgusted Senator Tom Harkin, a Democrat from Iowa, that he is now willing to forgo easy retribution and drastically limit the filibuster. Hooray for him. . . . Once a rarely used tactic reserved for issues on which senators held passionate views, the filibuster has become the tool of the sore loser, . . . an archaic rule that frustrates democracy and serves no useful purpose.


A March 6, 2005, Times editorial on the same subject:

The Republicans are claiming that 51 votes should be enough to win confirmation of the White House&#039;s judicial nominees. This flies in the face of Senate history. . . . To block the nominees, the Democrats&#039; weapon of choice has been the filibuster, a time-honored Senate procedure that prevents a bare majority of senators from running roughshod. . . . The Bush administration likes to call itself &quot;conservative,&quot; but there is nothing conservative about endangering one of the great institutions of American democracy, the United States Senate, for the sake of an ideological crusade.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/005/347aspyj.asp?pg=2</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Found in the Weekly Standard:</p>
<p>Obligatory New York Times Hypocrisy Item</p>
<p>A January 1, 1995, Times editorial on proposals to restrict the use of Senate filibusters:</p>
<p>In the last session of Congress, the Republican minority invoked an endless string of filibusters to frustrate the will of the majority. This relentless abuse of a time-honored Senate tradition so disgusted Senator Tom Harkin, a Democrat from Iowa, that he is now willing to forgo easy retribution and drastically limit the filibuster. Hooray for him. . . . Once a rarely used tactic reserved for issues on which senators held passionate views, the filibuster has become the tool of the sore loser, . . . an archaic rule that frustrates democracy and serves no useful purpose.</p>
<p>A March 6, 2005, Times editorial on the same subject:</p>
<p>The Republicans are claiming that 51 votes should be enough to win confirmation of the White House&#8217;s judicial nominees. This flies in the face of Senate history. . . . To block the nominees, the Democrats&#8217; weapon of choice has been the filibuster, a time-honored Senate procedure that prevents a bare majority of senators from running roughshod. . . . The Bush administration likes to call itself &#8220;conservative,&#8221; but there is nothing conservative about endangering one of the great institutions of American democracy, the United States Senate, for the sake of an ideological crusade.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/005/347aspyj.asp?pg=2" rel="nofollow">http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/005/347aspyj.asp?pg=2</a></p>
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		<title>By: Rafael Daniel</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/04/20/naacp-2/comment-page-2/#comment-39427</link>
		<dc:creator>Rafael Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Apr 2005 01:15:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Guilty&quot;...sorry for the typo. Ugh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Guilty&#8221;&#8230;sorry for the typo. Ugh.</p>
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		<title>By: Rafael Daniel</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/04/20/naacp-2/comment-page-2/#comment-39425</link>
		<dc:creator>Rafael Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Apr 2005 01:00:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The NAACP is guitly of nothing in my view. Filibusters can be used for good, sound moral purposes. The opposite is also true. Castigating the NAACP for opposing filibusters to anti-lynching legislation way back when and supporting them now is like excoriating geese for migrating in the winter. Times change. Circumstances change. Tactics need to change with them, sometimes. Remember the tactical role reversal during the Schiavo episode? Republicans that regularly decry activist judges wanted judges to be activist so that they could get what they wanted. Liberals acted like Conservatives and vice versa. Ahh, but that was last month, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The NAACP is guitly of nothing in my view. Filibusters can be used for good, sound moral purposes. The opposite is also true. Castigating the NAACP for opposing filibusters to anti-lynching legislation way back when and supporting them now is like excoriating geese for migrating in the winter. Times change. Circumstances change. Tactics need to change with them, sometimes. Remember the tactical role reversal during the Schiavo episode? Republicans that regularly decry activist judges wanted judges to be activist so that they could get what they wanted. Liberals acted like Conservatives and vice versa. Ahh, but that was last month, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/04/20/naacp-2/comment-page-2/#comment-39409</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Apr 2005 22:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dooh.  Remind me to refresh the page after a couple of hours. :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dooh.  Remind me to refresh the page after a couple of hours. <img src='http://lashawnbarber.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Apr 2005 22:08:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Baklava, :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Baklava, <img src='http://lashawnbarber.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: DarkStar</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/04/20/naacp-2/comment-page-2/#comment-39407</link>
		<dc:creator>DarkStar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Apr 2005 22:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, in the above, #47 should be #41.

&lt;em&gt;Sorry La Shawn. It was for emphasis because SS man (Darkstar) claimed only 2 blocked. Or at least he pointed out the Democrats â€œclaimâ€ of only 2 blocked.&lt;/em&gt;

In comment #41 I wrote:

&lt;em&gt;If you are going to mention numbers, then why the fuss over 10 blocked, while 124 have been passed?&lt;/em&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, in the above, #47 should be #41.</p>
<p><em>Sorry La Shawn. It was for emphasis because SS man (Darkstar) claimed only 2 blocked. Or at least he pointed out the Democrats â€œclaimâ€ of only 2 blocked.</em></p>
<p>In comment #41 I wrote:</p>
<p><em>If you are going to mention numbers, then why the fuss over 10 blocked, while 124 have been passed?</em></p>
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		<title>By: DarkStar</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/04/20/naacp-2/comment-page-2/#comment-39405</link>
		<dc:creator>DarkStar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Apr 2005 22:05:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Funny SS man, you started with the mentioning of the â€œnumbersâ€. Everyone elses point here including LA Shawnâ€™s is about the filibuster and not the numbers.&lt;/em&gt;

Sigh...

My first comment was #6 in which I wrote:

&lt;em&gt;Where were all of the people now complaining about â€œadvise and consentâ€ when the Republicans wouldnâ€™t even give Clinton nominees a hearing in committee?&lt;/em&gt;

In comment #31, I responded to someone who mentioned that Republicans never fillibustered Clinton&#039;s nominees by writing:

&lt;em&gt;They just never brought up the judges for a hearing and vote IN COMMITTEE.&lt;/em&gt;

In #32, you said I was untruthful. I then provided support for what I wrote. I then provided the number of Clinton nominees who didn&#039;t get a hearing. I was responding to you.

&lt;em&gt;Do you have anymore argument left?&lt;/em&gt;

Yep, again:

For those who say this is a constitutional issue, where are committees and subcommittees spelled out in the Constitution?

For those who say that appointees deserve an up or down vote, what did they say when those 60 Clinton appointees never got a judicial hearing to get voted out of committee?

&lt;em&gt; I know of more than 2 nominees who have been waiting for more than 4 years for a vote due to the threat of filibuster.&lt;/em&gt;

This is what I wrote in #47:

&lt;em&gt;If you are going to mention numbers, then why the fuss over 10 blocked, while 124 have been passed?&lt;/em&gt;

I think that&#039;s self evident.

&lt;em&gt;Canâ€™t name anyone in the last decade who employed SS&lt;/em&gt;

I mentioned Ellen Sauerbry. You are not being truthful.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Funny SS man, you started with the mentioning of the â€œnumbersâ€. Everyone elses point here including LA Shawnâ€™s is about the filibuster and not the numbers.</em></p>
<p>Sigh&#8230;</p>
<p>My first comment was #6 in which I wrote:</p>
<p><em>Where were all of the people now complaining about â€œadvise and consentâ€ when the Republicans wouldnâ€™t even give Clinton nominees a hearing in committee?</em></p>
<p>In comment #31, I responded to someone who mentioned that Republicans never fillibustered Clinton&#8217;s nominees by writing:</p>
<p><em>They just never brought up the judges for a hearing and vote IN COMMITTEE.</em></p>
<p>In #32, you said I was untruthful. I then provided support for what I wrote. I then provided the number of Clinton nominees who didn&#8217;t get a hearing. I was responding to you.</p>
<p><em>Do you have anymore argument left?</em></p>
<p>Yep, again:</p>
<p>For those who say this is a constitutional issue, where are committees and subcommittees spelled out in the Constitution?</p>
<p>For those who say that appointees deserve an up or down vote, what did they say when those 60 Clinton appointees never got a judicial hearing to get voted out of committee?</p>
<p><em> I know of more than 2 nominees who have been waiting for more than 4 years for a vote due to the threat of filibuster.</em></p>
<p>This is what I wrote in #47:</p>
<p><em>If you are going to mention numbers, then why the fuss over 10 blocked, while 124 have been passed?</em></p>
<p>I think that&#8217;s self evident.</p>
<p><em>Canâ€™t name anyone in the last decade who employed SS</em></p>
<p>I mentioned Ellen Sauerbry. You are not being truthful.</p>
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		<title>By: Baklava</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/04/20/naacp-2/comment-page-2/#comment-39404</link>
		<dc:creator>Baklava</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Apr 2005 21:43:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;is that iâ€™ve heard he mishandled intelligence.&lt;/em&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>is that iâ€™ve heard he mishandled intelligence.</em></p>
<p>Again with the smear&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: actus</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/04/20/naacp-2/comment-page-2/#comment-39400</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Apr 2005 21:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;you have a litmus test on Bolton who said the same things as Bush, Clinton, Kerry, Albright and the French Intelligence, British Intelligence, Russian Intelligenc, U.S. Intelligence and German intelligence.&quot;

thats all in your head. What i&#039;ve said about bolton and WMD&#039;s is that i&#039;ve heard he mishandled intelligence.

I&#039;ve told you that i&#039;m not holding him up to the standard that he needs to be right. Can you imagine if we used that as a test for competence? the havoc!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;you have a litmus test on Bolton who said the same things as Bush, Clinton, Kerry, Albright and the French Intelligence, British Intelligence, Russian Intelligenc, U.S. Intelligence and German intelligence.&#8221;</p>
<p>thats all in your head. What i&#8217;ve said about bolton and WMD&#8217;s is that i&#8217;ve heard he mishandled intelligence.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve told you that i&#8217;m not holding him up to the standard that he needs to be right. Can you imagine if we used that as a test for competence? the havoc!</p>
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