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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/04/23/elian/comment-page-2/#comment-40753</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Apr 2005 16:17:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LaShawn, I am not one to pick a fight and if I didn&#039;t respect you, I wouldn&#039;t waste time posting.  I agree with the concept of the child belongs with the father, but the fact of dictatorships is that the child was not sent back to the father.  Therefore, let me rephrase:   That child is now in the PHYSICAL CUSTODY of Castro.  Any information which portrays the child as spending endless days with his father is most likely propaganda.   Castro now physically controls that childâ€™s life and uses it to the utmost political gain.  

One may think that Cuba has the same familiar relationships and licit authority that we have come to take for granted, but they do not, so to believe that child was physically returned to his father is erroneous. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LaShawn, I am not one to pick a fight and if I didn&#8217;t respect you, I wouldn&#8217;t waste time posting.  I agree with the concept of the child belongs with the father, but the fact of dictatorships is that the child was not sent back to the father.  Therefore, let me rephrase:   That child is now in the PHYSICAL CUSTODY of Castro.  Any information which portrays the child as spending endless days with his father is most likely propaganda.   Castro now physically controls that childâ€™s life and uses it to the utmost political gain.  </p>
<p>One may think that Cuba has the same familiar relationships and licit authority that we have come to take for granted, but they do not, so to believe that child was physically returned to his father is erroneous.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/04/23/elian/comment-page-2/#comment-40503</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Apr 2005 22:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although I agree with you on most things, I have to disagree here.  I apologize for the late reply, but I am catching up after being in Guatemala picking up our third adopted child from that country. Our extensive experience with Latin America and our relationships with several Cuban friends, has taught us a truism about communist and socialist societies:  there are no rights, so to say the father is the &quot;legal custodian&quot; is incorrect.  Everything and every person are property of the state.   Therefore, your assumption that the father has any &quot;rights&quot; and is on equal footing with Castro is erroneous. See your post #26.  

No offense, but as a conservative, the understanding that the above statement is a fundamental principle of communist and socialist societies is critical to understanding the real choice presented to any legal authority, state or federal, in the US.  The real choice was between keeping the child with relatives in America who could establish some legal right to custodianship, and sending him to Castro.  So the concept that the child was being returned to his father as a legal guardian is false.  The father does not possess that legal right in Cuba.   The child was sent to Castro, not the father.

Your argument would hold water with most any other situation or country, but not with Cuba.

&lt;em&gt;My point that the kid belonged with his father and not the Miami relatives still stands, regardless of who has &quot;legal&quot; custody of him once he got to Cuba. - Admin&lt;/em&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I agree with you on most things, I have to disagree here.  I apologize for the late reply, but I am catching up after being in Guatemala picking up our third adopted child from that country. Our extensive experience with Latin America and our relationships with several Cuban friends, has taught us a truism about communist and socialist societies:  there are no rights, so to say the father is the &#8220;legal custodian&#8221; is incorrect.  Everything and every person are property of the state.   Therefore, your assumption that the father has any &#8220;rights&#8221; and is on equal footing with Castro is erroneous. See your post #26.  </p>
<p>No offense, but as a conservative, the understanding that the above statement is a fundamental principle of communist and socialist societies is critical to understanding the real choice presented to any legal authority, state or federal, in the US.  The real choice was between keeping the child with relatives in America who could establish some legal right to custodianship, and sending him to Castro.  So the concept that the child was being returned to his father as a legal guardian is false.  The father does not possess that legal right in Cuba.   The child was sent to Castro, not the father.</p>
<p>Your argument would hold water with most any other situation or country, but not with Cuba.</p>
<p><em>My point that the kid belonged with his father and not the Miami relatives still stands, regardless of who has &#8220;legal&#8221; custody of him once he got to Cuba. &#8211; Admin</em></p>
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		<title>By: Lifelike Pundits</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/04/23/elian/comment-page-2/#comment-40252</link>
		<dc:creator>Lifelike Pundits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2005 22:21:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Freedom and the Christian&lt;/strong&gt;

During the year 2000, I joined my fellow Americans in watching the drama that centered on a six-year-old Cuban boy named ElÃ­an. The boy was the rope in game of tug-of-war carried on by two groups of people. One group...</description>
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<p>During the year 2000, I joined my fellow Americans in watching the drama that centered on a six-year-old Cuban boy named ElÃ­an. The boy was the rope in game of tug-of-war carried on by two groups of people. One group&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Orac</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/04/23/elian/comment-page-2/#comment-40176</link>
		<dc:creator>Orac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2005 17:08:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Five years ago, I was a lot more conservative in my politics than I am now, and I thought then that it was wrong to keep Elian from his father. I agree with you 100%. There was no reason not to let Elian&#039;s father have custody and take care of him. Barring credible evidence that Elian&#039;s father had mistreated him, the father should have custody. The disgusting displays put on by the family and right wing pundits were one (of many) reasons that my politics have slowly drifted towards the center over the last six or seven years. (More recently, Tom DeLay&#039;s corruption and the G.O.P.&#039;s changing the rules to let him keep his leadership position if he is indicted are others.)

This was one of the few times that I supported an action by Clinton, although I wish the family had not been so intransigent as to make such an ugly scene possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Five years ago, I was a lot more conservative in my politics than I am now, and I thought then that it was wrong to keep Elian from his father. I agree with you 100%. There was no reason not to let Elian&#8217;s father have custody and take care of him. Barring credible evidence that Elian&#8217;s father had mistreated him, the father should have custody. The disgusting displays put on by the family and right wing pundits were one (of many) reasons that my politics have slowly drifted towards the center over the last six or seven years. (More recently, Tom DeLay&#8217;s corruption and the G.O.P.&#8217;s changing the rules to let him keep his leadership position if he is indicted are others.)</p>
<p>This was one of the few times that I supported an action by Clinton, although I wish the family had not been so intransigent as to make such an ugly scene possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard A. Strickland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard A. Strickland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2005 12:15:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once again I agree with you 100% La Shawn.

It is foolish to consider politics over the very natural and basic consideration of family.

The action is one of a very few that Clinton took with which I agree. I am aware that he acted out of political consideration (polls) and not from a sense of basic morality but the outcome was no less just.

Richard</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once again I agree with you 100% La Shawn.</p>
<p>It is foolish to consider politics over the very natural and basic consideration of family.</p>
<p>The action is one of a very few that Clinton took with which I agree. I am aware that he acted out of political consideration (polls) and not from a sense of basic morality but the outcome was no less just.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Apr 2005 21:18:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to disagree with you here, for one simple reason.  We do not know how hiw father truly felt.  In Cuba, there is only one person who really speaks freely, and that is castro.  Who knows what castro could have been holding over Elian&#039;s father&#039;s head.  We may never know how his father felt, but we do know how his mother felt.  She sacrificed her life so that her son could live freely.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to disagree with you here, for one simple reason.  We do not know how hiw father truly felt.  In Cuba, there is only one person who really speaks freely, and that is castro.  Who knows what castro could have been holding over Elian&#8217;s father&#8217;s head.  We may never know how his father felt, but we do know how his mother felt.  She sacrificed her life so that her son could live freely.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry McClellan</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/04/23/elian/comment-page-2/#comment-39963</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerry McClellan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Apr 2005 16:42:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being a father of two boys myself, I have to agree with Miss Barber on this one. While I don&#039;t like Castro or Cuba, nor do I know about Elian&#039;s father, regardless of where they are living he has a right to have his son returned to him. I would expect the same if it were me. 

It is easier to demonize the father by way of Cuban Communism than see that this mother was wrong for taking that child from his father. By such logic, a mother, regardless of where she lives, can simply take her children and leave if she feels that she is being oppressed or doesn&#039;t like where she is living, no matter what her husband and/or father of her children wants.  As much as I don&#039;t like the circumstances in which this occured, I must agree that this child should have gone back to his father, political pawn or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being a father of two boys myself, I have to agree with Miss Barber on this one. While I don&#8217;t like Castro or Cuba, nor do I know about Elian&#8217;s father, regardless of where they are living he has a right to have his son returned to him. I would expect the same if it were me. </p>
<p>It is easier to demonize the father by way of Cuban Communism than see that this mother was wrong for taking that child from his father. By such logic, a mother, regardless of where she lives, can simply take her children and leave if she feels that she is being oppressed or doesn&#8217;t like where she is living, no matter what her husband and/or father of her children wants.  As much as I don&#8217;t like the circumstances in which this occured, I must agree that this child should have gone back to his father, political pawn or not.</p>
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		<title>By: Carol</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/04/23/elian/comment-page-2/#comment-39951</link>
		<dc:creator>Carol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Apr 2005 15:54:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear La Shawn,

Like yr blog very much but i don&#039;t think you understand that not only was Elian not brought up primarily by his birth father,  but the man delayed MONTHS in making a claim.  
If it had been my child I would have been on the first plane to Miami. 
Yes, the Cuban-American relatives in Miami were over the top and embarrassing (to many Latinos as well).  But bad taste is not a parental sin.  Yes, not attempting to get in touch, writing, or trying to find out about how Elian was doing was far less embarrassing than the melodramatics from the Miami relatives -  but their heart was in the right place.  I cannot feel the same about the father, and feel that his claim was a result of manipulation by Castro.  If not why the delay ?- again it was not days nor weeks but MONTHS before Juan Gonzalez &quot;spoke up.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear La Shawn,</p>
<p>Like yr blog very much but i don&#8217;t think you understand that not only was Elian not brought up primarily by his birth father,  but the man delayed MONTHS in making a claim.<br />
If it had been my child I would have been on the first plane to Miami.<br />
Yes, the Cuban-American relatives in Miami were over the top and embarrassing (to many Latinos as well).  But bad taste is not a parental sin.  Yes, not attempting to get in touch, writing, or trying to find out about how Elian was doing was far less embarrassing than the melodramatics from the Miami relatives &#8211;  but their heart was in the right place.  I cannot feel the same about the father, and feel that his claim was a result of manipulation by Castro.  If not why the delay ?- again it was not days nor weeks but MONTHS before Juan Gonzalez &#8220;spoke up.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Keisha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keisha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Apr 2005 15:32:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about all the Haiti kids American sends back?  Why was Elian so special?  Oh, that&#039;s right.  He wasn&#039;t black!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about all the Haiti kids American sends back?  Why was Elian so special?  Oh, that&#8217;s right.  He wasn&#8217;t black!!</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Apr 2005 15:31:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;

Typing that must have hurt! ; ) ~

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<p>Typing that must have hurt! ; ) ~</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/04/23/elian/comment-page-2/#comment-39915</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Apr 2005 15:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LaShawn - I also found myself parting from most of my conservative friends on this issue.  The real issue is the best interests of the child.  Even after a huge haircut for totalitarian manipulation, the evidence is that the primary bond was with Dad, while Mom ran around and then risked the boy&#039;s life on a harebrained escape with her boyfriend.  The pack in Miami were the relatives from Hell.  While Cuba is a socialist hell, Elian&#039;s celebrity will ensure he gets his basic material needs met, and Dad will take care of the rest.  Castro will die soon, and Elian will still have his Dad. While I agree with the outcome, I suspect the Clinton adminstration&#039;s motives had nothing to do with Elian&#039;s best interests.  And for Elian&#039;s sake, I am willing to swallow something that let&#039;s Castro posture as a win.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LaShawn &#8211; I also found myself parting from most of my conservative friends on this issue.  The real issue is the best interests of the child.  Even after a huge haircut for totalitarian manipulation, the evidence is that the primary bond was with Dad, while Mom ran around and then risked the boy&#8217;s life on a harebrained escape with her boyfriend.  The pack in Miami were the relatives from Hell.  While Cuba is a socialist hell, Elian&#8217;s celebrity will ensure he gets his basic material needs met, and Dad will take care of the rest.  Castro will die soon, and Elian will still have his Dad. While I agree with the outcome, I suspect the Clinton adminstration&#8217;s motives had nothing to do with Elian&#8217;s best interests.  And for Elian&#8217;s sake, I am willing to swallow something that let&#8217;s Castro posture as a win.</p>
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		<title>By: Glamchild</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glamchild</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Apr 2005 14:47:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t have proof, but I believe this child was being abused under Castro (IMHO).  I don&#039;t believe a word the father says, just like I don&#039;t believe a word Michael Schiavo says.

Janet Reno was one of the worst Attorney Generals of all time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have proof, but I believe this child was being abused under Castro (IMHO).  I don&#8217;t believe a word the father says, just like I don&#8217;t believe a word Michael Schiavo says.</p>
<p>Janet Reno was one of the worst Attorney Generals of all time.</p>
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		<title>By: David L</title>
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		<dc:creator>David L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Apr 2005 12:39:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Juan Miguel had no right to any person neither born to his wife nor legally adopted.  At no point, prior to Janet Reno&#039;s kidnapping, did Juan Miguel have any legal right to Elian, not by marriage and not by adoption.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Juan Miguel had no right to any person neither born to his wife nor legally adopted.  At no point, prior to Janet Reno&#8217;s kidnapping, did Juan Miguel have any legal right to Elian, not by marriage and not by adoption.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Zavisca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Zavisca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Apr 2005 11:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks all for comments. On next anniversary, I will re-check facts. 

Both conservative and liberal press distorted facts. 


Concerning &quot;States Rights&quot; - if there ever was a case for the Federal courts, this was it. This is a Constitutional role of the Federal Government. 


Time to &quot;move on&quot; to more current issues -

like &quot;hate speech&quot; against new Pope because he believes there are some &quot;absolute truths&quot; and &quot;right and wrong&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks all for comments. On next anniversary, I will re-check facts. </p>
<p>Both conservative and liberal press distorted facts. </p>
<p>Concerning &#8220;States Rights&#8221; &#8211; if there ever was a case for the Federal courts, this was it. This is a Constitutional role of the Federal Government. </p>
<p>Time to &#8220;move on&#8221; to more current issues -</p>
<p>like &#8220;hate speech&#8221; against new Pope because he believes there are some &#8220;absolute truths&#8221; and &#8220;right and wrong&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: marcus</title>
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		<dc:creator>marcus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Apr 2005 03:04:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>La Shawn,
Another conservative here who agrees with you on this case.  Elian&#039;s father was his nearest BLOOD relative and, adulterer or not, he had every right to his son.

DON:
Elian Gonzales: apples
Teri Schiavo:  oranges</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>La Shawn,<br />
Another conservative here who agrees with you on this case.  Elian&#8217;s father was his nearest BLOOD relative and, adulterer or not, he had every right to his son.</p>
<p>DON:<br />
Elian Gonzales: apples<br />
Teri Schiavo:  oranges</p>
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