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		<title>By: RedBeard</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/04/25/web/comment-page-3/#comment-42164</link>
		<dc:creator>RedBeard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 May 2005 16:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see we&#039;ve run this topic right off the front page.  101 posts, and Actus is still finding ways to be contrary.  ;)  

Hey Actus!  Are you by chance on the college debating squad?  ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see we&#8217;ve run this topic right off the front page.  101 posts, and Actus is still finding ways to be contrary.  <img src='http://lashawnbarber.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />   </p>
<p>Hey Actus!  Are you by chance on the college debating squad?  <img src='http://lashawnbarber.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/04/25/web/comment-page-3/#comment-42016</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2005 22:42:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SCSI/Redbeard, good points. 

This latest reform is a start, hopefully the lending rates will be the next focus for reform.

That&#039;s why I avoid credit cards like the plague.  Generally speaking, if I can&#039;t afford it now, I don&#039;t need it.  It&#039;s been 10 years and I and my wallet feel fine. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SCSI/Redbeard, good points. </p>
<p>This latest reform is a start, hopefully the lending rates will be the next focus for reform.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why I avoid credit cards like the plague.  Generally speaking, if I can&#8217;t afford it now, I don&#8217;t need it.  It&#8217;s been 10 years and I and my wallet feel fine. <img src='http://lashawnbarber.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: actus</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/04/25/web/comment-page-2/#comment-42012</link>
		<dc:creator>actus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2005 21:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I said that borrowing to buy things on a credit card, and carrying over a balance that involves a high interest rate, is a bad idea.&quot;

When you said &quot;if you can&#039;t afford something without a balance&quot; I thought that meant without borrowing. Sorry that I didn&#039;t ge you meant just credit cards.

So basically you just think that there ought not to be any credit level borrowing? Ok. I&#039;d say the best way to achieve that would be to have laxer bankruptcy laws.  Because then the lenders would stop lending.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I said that borrowing to buy things on a credit card, and carrying over a balance that involves a high interest rate, is a bad idea.&#8221;</p>
<p>When you said &#8220;if you can&#8217;t afford something without a balance&#8221; I thought that meant without borrowing. Sorry that I didn&#8217;t ge you meant just credit cards.</p>
<p>So basically you just think that there ought not to be any credit level borrowing? Ok. I&#8217;d say the best way to achieve that would be to have laxer bankruptcy laws.  Because then the lenders would stop lending.</p>
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		<title>By: RedBeard</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/04/25/web/comment-page-2/#comment-42010</link>
		<dc:creator>RedBeard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2005 21:35:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How on earth did you arrive at that conclusion, Actus?  I said that borrowing to buy things on a credit card, and carrying over a balance that involves a high interest rate, is a bad idea.  Borrowing to buy a house, if one can afford the payments and the rate is favorable, is a good idea.  Other purchases requiring borrowing may or may not be wise.  

&lt;em&gt;It&#039;s up to the individual to make wise choices.&lt;/em&gt;     </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How on earth did you arrive at that conclusion, Actus?  I said that borrowing to buy things on a credit card, and carrying over a balance that involves a high interest rate, is a bad idea.  Borrowing to buy a house, if one can afford the payments and the rate is favorable, is a good idea.  Other purchases requiring borrowing may or may not be wise.  </p>
<p><em>It&#8217;s up to the individual to make wise choices.</em></p>
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		<title>By: actus</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/04/25/web/comment-page-2/#comment-42008</link>
		<dc:creator>actus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2005 21:12:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If unable to afford something without keeping a balance on the credit card, DONâ€™T BUY IT.&quot;

So your solution is to not have any borrowing. sounds great!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If unable to afford something without keeping a balance on the credit card, DONâ€™T BUY IT.&#8221;</p>
<p>So your solution is to not have any borrowing. sounds great!</p>
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		<title>By: RedBeard</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/04/25/web/comment-page-2/#comment-42007</link>
		<dc:creator>RedBeard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2005 21:08:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why would a borrower sign up for a loan with a flaky rate structure?  Here we are, back to the borrower making bad choices and failing at his responsibility.

READ THE CONTRACT.  Never let a credit card run past the due date, and avoid all the interest.  If unable to afford something without keeping a balance on the credit card, DON&#039;T BUY IT.    </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why would a borrower sign up for a loan with a flaky rate structure?  Here we are, back to the borrower making bad choices and failing at his responsibility.</p>
<p>READ THE CONTRACT.  Never let a credit card run past the due date, and avoid all the interest.  If unable to afford something without keeping a balance on the credit card, DON&#8217;T BUY IT.</p>
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		<title>By: actus</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/04/25/web/comment-page-2/#comment-42004</link>
		<dc:creator>actus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2005 20:39:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; Everyone is trying to entice buyers, whether theyâ€™re selling tangible products or renting money.&quot;

We don&#039;t have to blame anyone if everyone is doing it. Nor do we need blame to regulate.

&quot;Canâ€™t afford the miracle cookware? Put away the credit card. &quot;

Part of the problem is also balloning rates. Rates that change.  Do you think borrowers have similar economic forecasting abilities to lenders? Who is a more efficient predictor of interest rates? Me or MBNA?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; Everyone is trying to entice buyers, whether theyâ€™re selling tangible products or renting money.&#8221;</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t have to blame anyone if everyone is doing it. Nor do we need blame to regulate.</p>
<p>&#8220;Canâ€™t afford the miracle cookware? Put away the credit card. &#8221;</p>
<p>Part of the problem is also balloning rates. Rates that change.  Do you think borrowers have similar economic forecasting abilities to lenders? Who is a more efficient predictor of interest rates? Me or MBNA?</p>
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		<title>By: RedBeard</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/04/25/web/comment-page-2/#comment-42001</link>
		<dc:creator>RedBeard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2005 20:30:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some lenders, and some retailers, are engaged in smarmy business practices.  That&#039;s without doubt.  But I can&#039;t blame the lenders any more than I can blame the Home Shopping Network or the local &quot;Buy here - pay here&quot; used car lot.  Everyone is trying to entice buyers, whether they&#039;re selling tangible products or renting money.  The fast buck operators are often shameless, but when has that not been the case?

BUT... the bottom line still has to be the assumption of responsibility by the consumer to handle his or her finances.  Can&#039;t afford the car?  Don&#039;t sign the deal.  Can&#039;t afford the miracle cookware?  Put away the credit card.  Can&#039;t repay the loan?  Don&#039;t borrow.     
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some lenders, and some retailers, are engaged in smarmy business practices.  That&#8217;s without doubt.  But I can&#8217;t blame the lenders any more than I can blame the Home Shopping Network or the local &#8220;Buy here &#8211; pay here&#8221; used car lot.  Everyone is trying to entice buyers, whether they&#8217;re selling tangible products or renting money.  The fast buck operators are often shameless, but when has that not been the case?</p>
<p>BUT&#8230; the bottom line still has to be the assumption of responsibility by the consumer to handle his or her finances.  Can&#8217;t afford the car?  Don&#8217;t sign the deal.  Can&#8217;t afford the miracle cookware?  Put away the credit card.  Can&#8217;t repay the loan?  Don&#8217;t borrow.</p>
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		<title>By: SCSIwuzzy</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/04/25/web/comment-page-2/#comment-41999</link>
		<dc:creator>SCSIwuzzy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2005 20:13:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I think there is some blame for the bankruptcy explosion to lay at the feet of the lenders.  Or at least some of them.
The biggest problem I had with the recent bankruptcy reform was that the credit card and lending companies weren&#039;t given any restrictions on interest rates and predatory lending.  While it has not been a problem for me, plenty of people have been sucked in by a introductory rate that suddenly becomes very high, OR rates that hike for the slightest and seemingly arbitrary reasons.
I once had a credit card that raised my APR because I paid my bills too well!
Anyway, now limits have been placed on the consumer side of the problem, but I don&#039;t forsee the credit companies lowering some of their rates in response.  Sadly, I didn&#039;t see both sides of the problem getting tackled, so I am not very surprised.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I think there is some blame for the bankruptcy explosion to lay at the feet of the lenders.  Or at least some of them.<br />
The biggest problem I had with the recent bankruptcy reform was that the credit card and lending companies weren&#8217;t given any restrictions on interest rates and predatory lending.  While it has not been a problem for me, plenty of people have been sucked in by a introductory rate that suddenly becomes very high, OR rates that hike for the slightest and seemingly arbitrary reasons.<br />
I once had a credit card that raised my APR because I paid my bills too well!<br />
Anyway, now limits have been placed on the consumer side of the problem, but I don&#8217;t forsee the credit companies lowering some of their rates in response.  Sadly, I didn&#8217;t see both sides of the problem getting tackled, so I am not very surprised.</p>
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		<title>By: actus</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/04/25/web/comment-page-2/#comment-41997</link>
		<dc:creator>actus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2005 19:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Interesting as that tangent might be, it has nothing to do with the responsibility of the borrower to follow through on his obligations.&quot;

In looking at an efficient allocation of resources, it is no way tangent to approach a transaction from both sides. 

Bankruptcy is about the morality of both parties. I have yet heard a case that it is easy.  It is easier for businesses to do it though: they can just dissolve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Interesting as that tangent might be, it has nothing to do with the responsibility of the borrower to follow through on his obligations.&#8221;</p>
<p>In looking at an efficient allocation of resources, it is no way tangent to approach a transaction from both sides. </p>
<p>Bankruptcy is about the morality of both parties. I have yet heard a case that it is easy.  It is easier for businesses to do it though: they can just dissolve.</p>
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		<title>By: RedBeard</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/04/25/web/comment-page-2/#comment-41992</link>
		<dc:creator>RedBeard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2005 19:23:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course.  Banks turn down credit applications too.  We also make some bad decisions, and sell to people we shouldn&#039;t, just as banks can make bad decisions.  Offering credit is far from an exact science.  

Interesting as that tangent might be, it has nothing to do with the responsibility of the borrower to follow through on his obligations.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course.  Banks turn down credit applications too.  We also make some bad decisions, and sell to people we shouldn&#8217;t, just as banks can make bad decisions.  Offering credit is far from an exact science.  </p>
<p>Interesting as that tangent might be, it has nothing to do with the responsibility of the borrower to follow through on his obligations.</p>
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		<title>By: actus</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/04/25/web/comment-page-2/#comment-41991</link>
		<dc:creator>actus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2005 19:11:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you ever turn anyone down for credit?</description>
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		<title>By: RedBeard</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/04/25/web/comment-page-2/#comment-41990</link>
		<dc:creator>RedBeard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2005 18:54:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blame the lender?  Talk about turning the argument inside-out!  

If my business extends credit to a customer who finds himself unable to pay on time, should I just blame myself for opening the account and write it off?  No, I&#039;m going to go after the deadbeat, and hope that lax bankruptcy laws don&#039;t allow him to slip out from under his responsibility.  Remember, he owes ME, not the other way around.     </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blame the lender?  Talk about turning the argument inside-out!  </p>
<p>If my business extends credit to a customer who finds himself unable to pay on time, should I just blame myself for opening the account and write it off?  No, I&#8217;m going to go after the deadbeat, and hope that lax bankruptcy laws don&#8217;t allow him to slip out from under his responsibility.  Remember, he owes ME, not the other way around.</p>
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		<title>By: actus</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/04/25/web/comment-page-2/#comment-41985</link>
		<dc:creator>actus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2005 18:11:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Good grief! How much looser do you want those laws? Bankruptcy should be an ordeal, not a picnic. &quot;

Who said its a picnic?

&quot;This is about personal responsibility. Donâ€™t borrow if you canâ€™t afford it&quot;

I agree with responsibility. Don&#039;t lend if you can&#039;t lose it.  I&#039;ve had friends ask me for money before, and I&#039;ve turned them down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Good grief! How much looser do you want those laws? Bankruptcy should be an ordeal, not a picnic. &#8221;</p>
<p>Who said its a picnic?</p>
<p>&#8220;This is about personal responsibility. Donâ€™t borrow if you canâ€™t afford it&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree with responsibility. Don&#8217;t lend if you can&#8217;t lose it.  I&#8217;ve had friends ask me for money before, and I&#8217;ve turned them down.</p>
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		<title>By: RedBeard</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/04/25/web/comment-page-2/#comment-41976</link>
		<dc:creator>RedBeard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2005 17:32:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good grief!  How much looser do you want those laws?  Bankruptcy &lt;em&gt;should&lt;/em&gt; be an ordeal, not a picnic.    

This is about personal responsibility.  Don&#039;t borrow if you can&#039;t afford it.  Just like buying the right size shoe, it isn&#039;t a difficult concept, but folks need to accept responsibility instead of looking to blame someone else for their lousy choices in life.   </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good grief!  How much looser do you want those laws?  Bankruptcy <em>should</em> be an ordeal, not a picnic.    </p>
<p>This is about personal responsibility.  Don&#8217;t borrow if you can&#8217;t afford it.  Just like buying the right size shoe, it isn&#8217;t a difficult concept, but folks need to accept responsibility instead of looking to blame someone else for their lousy choices in life.</p>
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