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		<title>By: Suzie Brown</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/05/10/foreign/comment-page-1/#comment-42948</link>
		<dc:creator>Suzie Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2005 21:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One word of English, I wish every illegal immigrant would learn, and learn it well is, legal.

The legal way to do things.  Enter your neighbor&#039;s country, legally.

Then learn their language, which here, happens to be English.

Suzie, in Ohio</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One word of English, I wish every illegal immigrant would learn, and learn it well is, legal.</p>
<p>The legal way to do things.  Enter your neighbor&#8217;s country, legally.</p>
<p>Then learn their language, which here, happens to be English.</p>
<p>Suzie, in Ohio</p>
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		<title>By: actus</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/05/10/foreign/comment-page-1/#comment-42916</link>
		<dc:creator>actus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2005 18:12:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;There is nothing positive about being unable to speak and write English in America, where English is the standard language. &quot;

Of course not. You&#039;re making more specific when we already agreed that the general is good. Of course every specific item within the general is good. Its always good to know more languages.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There is nothing positive about being unable to speak and write English in America, where English is the standard language. &#8221;</p>
<p>Of course not. You&#8217;re making more specific when we already agreed that the general is good. Of course every specific item within the general is good. Its always good to know more languages.</p>
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		<title>By: RedBeard</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/05/10/foreign/comment-page-1/#comment-42911</link>
		<dc:creator>RedBeard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2005 17:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re missing my point, I think.  I&#039;ll rephrase.  

There is nothing positive about being unable to speak and write English in America, where English is the standard language.  There is nothing positive about being unable to speak and write Spanish in Mexico, where Spanish is the standard language.  There is nothing positive about being unable to speak and write German in Germany, where German is the standard language.  There is......  ;)    </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re missing my point, I think.  I&#8217;ll rephrase.  </p>
<p>There is nothing positive about being unable to speak and write English in America, where English is the standard language.  There is nothing positive about being unable to speak and write Spanish in Mexico, where Spanish is the standard language.  There is nothing positive about being unable to speak and write German in Germany, where German is the standard language.  There is&#8230;&#8230;  <img src='http://lashawnbarber.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: actus</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/05/10/foreign/comment-page-1/#comment-42909</link>
		<dc:creator>actus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2005 16:58:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;There is nothing positive about being unable to speak and write English.&quot;

That goes for just about any language.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There is nothing positive about being unable to speak and write English.&#8221;</p>
<p>That goes for just about any language.</p>
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		<title>By: RedBeard</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/05/10/foreign/comment-page-1/#comment-42904</link>
		<dc:creator>RedBeard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2005 16:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;So please donâ€™t disparage others for speaking their language among themselves in your country.&quot;

Anom, if I failed to make myself clear, I apologize.  Nothing whatever is wrong with anyone speaking as many languages as possible; quite the contrary.  Maintaining fluency in one&#039;s original tongue can be a wonderful thing, and I see no problem there whatever.  

The problem revolves around those who come to this country and refuse to learn the prevailing language &lt;em&gt;as well as their native language&lt;/em&gt;.  This refusal costs taxpayers a fortune, causes untold problems in education, and prevents the newcomers from becoming fully-functioning members of this society.  There is nothing positive about being unable to speak and write English.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So please donâ€™t disparage others for speaking their language among themselves in your country.&#8221;</p>
<p>Anom, if I failed to make myself clear, I apologize.  Nothing whatever is wrong with anyone speaking as many languages as possible; quite the contrary.  Maintaining fluency in one&#8217;s original tongue can be a wonderful thing, and I see no problem there whatever.  </p>
<p>The problem revolves around those who come to this country and refuse to learn the prevailing language <em>as well as their native language</em>.  This refusal costs taxpayers a fortune, causes untold problems in education, and prevents the newcomers from becoming fully-functioning members of this society.  There is nothing positive about being unable to speak and write English.</p>
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		<title>By: The World According to Nick</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/05/10/foreign/comment-page-1/#comment-42902</link>
		<dc:creator>The World According to Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2005 16:15:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Didn&#039;t Anyone Call the INS?&lt;/strong&gt;

So let me get this straight. Someone came into the capital building and admitted he was in this country illegally and nobody arrested him? The Capital Police weren&#039;t called to hold him while the INS was contacted? Was nobody actually doing their job?...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Didn&#8217;t Anyone Call the INS?</strong></p>
<p>So let me get this straight. Someone came into the capital building and admitted he was in this country illegally and nobody arrested him? The Capital Police weren&#8217;t called to hold him while the INS was contacted? Was nobody actually doing their job?&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anomalocaris</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/05/10/foreign/comment-page-1/#comment-42894</link>
		<dc:creator>Anomalocaris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2005 15:09:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Redbeard,

I have traveled as a tourist to various countries in Europe, the Middle East, and Central America. While in these countries, I made an effort to speak a little of the local language with the people who lived there. But I spoke English with the people I traveled with.

Obviously, permanent residents need a higher level of local language ability than I had as a mere tourist. And most of them have it! But that doesn&#039;t oblige them to use English when speaking among themselves.

If you had the opportunity take your family to Spain for a year, very likely you would speak English with them at least part of the time.

So please don&#039;t disparage others for speaking their language among themselves in your country.

(I agree completely with you and others who emphasize the importance of immigrants learning English. My point is that we should not infer inability to speak English from the mere fact that we hear them speaking something else. We should also not infer immigration status or citizenship status from hearing them speak a foreign language.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Redbeard,</p>
<p>I have traveled as a tourist to various countries in Europe, the Middle East, and Central America. While in these countries, I made an effort to speak a little of the local language with the people who lived there. But I spoke English with the people I traveled with.</p>
<p>Obviously, permanent residents need a higher level of local language ability than I had as a mere tourist. And most of them have it! But that doesn&#8217;t oblige them to use English when speaking among themselves.</p>
<p>If you had the opportunity take your family to Spain for a year, very likely you would speak English with them at least part of the time.</p>
<p>So please don&#8217;t disparage others for speaking their language among themselves in your country.</p>
<p>(I agree completely with you and others who emphasize the importance of immigrants learning English. My point is that we should not infer inability to speak English from the mere fact that we hear them speaking something else. We should also not infer immigration status or citizenship status from hearing them speak a foreign language.)</p>
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		<title>By: actus</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/05/10/foreign/comment-page-1/#comment-42885</link>
		<dc:creator>actus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2005 14:10:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The â€œprinciple of free expressionâ€ is a vague liberal feel-good term and can be taken to extremes.&quot;

I don&#039;t think its as vague as it is codified, no. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The â€œprinciple of free expressionâ€ is a vague liberal feel-good term and can be taken to extremes.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think its as vague as it is codified, no.</p>
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		<title>By: RedBeard</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/05/10/foreign/comment-page-1/#comment-42883</link>
		<dc:creator>RedBeard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2005 13:52:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about the principle of common sense?  Coming to an English speaking country and refusing to learn the language makes no sense whatever.

And what about respect for the host country, its citizens, its prevailing language and its culture?  

The &quot;principle of free expression&quot; is a vague liberal feel-good term and can be taken to extremes.  This is one of those cases.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about the principle of common sense?  Coming to an English speaking country and refusing to learn the language makes no sense whatever.</p>
<p>And what about respect for the host country, its citizens, its prevailing language and its culture?  </p>
<p>The &#8220;principle of free expression&#8221; is a vague liberal feel-good term and can be taken to extremes.  This is one of those cases.</p>
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		<title>By: actus</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/05/10/foreign/comment-page-1/#comment-42880</link>
		<dc:creator>actus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2005 13:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;? As for legal resident aliens, they owe this country a big debt of gratitude for the opportunities offered, and learning the language should be the most basic part of their obligations.&quot;

I think the principle of free expression counsels against regulating language in this way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;? As for legal resident aliens, they owe this country a big debt of gratitude for the opportunities offered, and learning the language should be the most basic part of their obligations.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think the principle of free expression counsels against regulating language in this way.</p>
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		<title>By: Buck</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/05/10/foreign/comment-page-1/#comment-42877</link>
		<dc:creator>Buck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2005 13:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I could site studies that prove bilingual education is disastrous to our states&#039; budgets, costing taxpayers billions each year as we assist LEP (Limited English Proficiency) students that cost 10-60% more to teach than regular students, but I won&#039;t. I could site studies that prove bilingual education is disastrous to our states&#039; budgets, costing taxpayers billions each year as we assist LEP (Limited English Proficiency) students that cost 10-60% more than regular students to teach, but I won&#039;t.

I&#039;d rather talk about the emotional effects on our kids who must endure the bilingual beast. I&#039;d rather talk about the emotional effects on our kids who must endure the bilingual beast.

One-language students must listen to foreign gibberish, the equivalent of Charlie Brown&#039;s teacher, half of the day, while the other half of class receives their version of the same instructions. This equates to a 100% reduction in classroom efficiency. One-language students must listen to foreign gibberish, the equivalent of Charlie Brown&#039;s teacher, half of the day, while the other half of class received their version of the same instructions. This equates to a 100% reduction in classroom efficiency

Worst of all, can you imagine how annoying it must be for those students, lucky enough to know both English and Spanish, to have to listen to instructions twice? Worst of all, can you imagine how annoying it must be for those students, lucky enough to know both English and Spanish, to have to listen to instructions twice?

You can now! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could site studies that prove bilingual education is disastrous to our states&#8217; budgets, costing taxpayers billions each year as we assist LEP (Limited English Proficiency) students that cost 10-60% more to teach than regular students, but I won&#8217;t. I could site studies that prove bilingual education is disastrous to our states&#8217; budgets, costing taxpayers billions each year as we assist LEP (Limited English Proficiency) students that cost 10-60% more than regular students to teach, but I won&#8217;t.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d rather talk about the emotional effects on our kids who must endure the bilingual beast. I&#8217;d rather talk about the emotional effects on our kids who must endure the bilingual beast.</p>
<p>One-language students must listen to foreign gibberish, the equivalent of Charlie Brown&#8217;s teacher, half of the day, while the other half of class receives their version of the same instructions. This equates to a 100% reduction in classroom efficiency. One-language students must listen to foreign gibberish, the equivalent of Charlie Brown&#8217;s teacher, half of the day, while the other half of class received their version of the same instructions. This equates to a 100% reduction in classroom efficiency</p>
<p>Worst of all, can you imagine how annoying it must be for those students, lucky enough to know both English and Spanish, to have to listen to instructions twice? Worst of all, can you imagine how annoying it must be for those students, lucky enough to know both English and Spanish, to have to listen to instructions twice?</p>
<p>You can now!</p>
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		<title>By: RedBeard</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/05/10/foreign/comment-page-1/#comment-42869</link>
		<dc:creator>RedBeard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2005 12:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anom, the tone of your post seems to indicate that you think learning English is too much to expect of new residents in this country.  If I&#039;m correct, please tell me why you feel that way.

Citizenship requires effort, for all of us.  Why should newcomers be any different?  As for legal resident aliens, they owe this country a big debt of gratitude for the opportunities offered, and learning the language should be the most basic part of their obligations.     </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anom, the tone of your post seems to indicate that you think learning English is too much to expect of new residents in this country.  If I&#8217;m correct, please tell me why you feel that way.</p>
<p>Citizenship requires effort, for all of us.  Why should newcomers be any different?  As for legal resident aliens, they owe this country a big debt of gratitude for the opportunities offered, and learning the language should be the most basic part of their obligations.</p>
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		<title>By: Anomalocaris</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/05/10/foreign/comment-page-1/#comment-42854</link>
		<dc:creator>Anomalocaris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2005 05:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Buck,

Thank you for your reply. My previous comment was not intended to be sarcastic or condescending, and I&#039;m sorry if it sounded that way.

The fact that someone does not appear to be Black, White, or Asian (and therefore, by implication, appears to be Hispanic), and also speaks in public a language other than English, and also approach vans when it appears that work opportunities might be available, does not prove that this individual is a non-citizen, or if this person is a non-citizen, that there is a lack of a visa permitting this person to work.

(I deliberately omitted the word &quot;Muslim&quot; from your list of races because a Muslim is a member of a religion, not a member of a race. There are Muslims and non-Muslims among all of the world&#039;s major races of humanity.)

I once had a Chinese landlord whose wife spoke only a few words of English. I believe she was an American citizen, but if not, she was a permanent legal resident. Not speaking English in your presence does not prove inability to speak English. Inability to speak English does not prove non-citizenship. Non-citizen is not the same as illegal alien.

Respectfully,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Buck,</p>
<p>Thank you for your reply. My previous comment was not intended to be sarcastic or condescending, and I&#8217;m sorry if it sounded that way.</p>
<p>The fact that someone does not appear to be Black, White, or Asian (and therefore, by implication, appears to be Hispanic), and also speaks in public a language other than English, and also approach vans when it appears that work opportunities might be available, does not prove that this individual is a non-citizen, or if this person is a non-citizen, that there is a lack of a visa permitting this person to work.</p>
<p>(I deliberately omitted the word &#8220;Muslim&#8221; from your list of races because a Muslim is a member of a religion, not a member of a race. There are Muslims and non-Muslims among all of the world&#8217;s major races of humanity.)</p>
<p>I once had a Chinese landlord whose wife spoke only a few words of English. I believe she was an American citizen, but if not, she was a permanent legal resident. Not speaking English in your presence does not prove inability to speak English. Inability to speak English does not prove non-citizenship. Non-citizen is not the same as illegal alien.</p>
<p>Respectfully,</p>
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		<title>By: Jim R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2005 04:14:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would guess there would be enough money for bilingual education for Arizona citizens if you were not spending your tax funds on illegal aliens as well, Governor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would guess there would be enough money for bilingual education for Arizona citizens if you were not spending your tax funds on illegal aliens as well, Governor.</p>
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		<title>By: actus</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/05/10/foreign/comment-page-1/#comment-42852</link>
		<dc:creator>actus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2005 03:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; BuckTownDusty &quot;

I hope they violate our culinary norms. I live right a by a plethora of yummy ethiopian restaurants.</description>
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<p>I hope they violate our culinary norms. I live right a by a plethora of yummy ethiopian restaurants.</p>
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