I thought you said you were a moderate? – Admin

With all due respect, if you really think that, you’re not reading the posts on this board. I can verify La Shawn’s independence, as stated above, and I have blasted administration policy on many an occasion, having clearly broken ranks with Mr. Bush on the illegal immigration mess, the bloated farm bill boondoggle, the horrible Bush/Kennedy [gag] education bill, and the pathetic campaign non-reform bill, just to name a few “tip of the iceberg” issues.

Conservatives are not synonymous with Republicans, nor even with each other. We enjoy a good family fight.

You know what else? I think liberals can be insufferable elitists. And it’s true, many think they know what’s best for everybody, I catch them in the act all the time. And the secular snobbish liberals are THE WORST! I was raised by secularists who just freak out at the word “Jesus”. (Other than that, mom and dad are great folks.)

Finally, if you don’t hate me yet here’s my kicker: I regularly read La Shawn Barber and agree with her much of the time! So THERE! HAHAHAHA!

(One more thing: like liberals, a lot of conservatives suffer from mindless groupthink. They’d have more credibility if one or two would break from the pack and disagree with their own kind more often.)

Let’s see…I disagreed with conservatives about Elian Gonzalez. I’m against any and all attempts Republicans come up with to gain the “black vote.” I’m solidly against Bush on his immigration non-policy. If you agree with me so much, perhaps you’re…just a little bit…conservative? – Admin

Thanks!

–Cobra

They are indeed consistently uncomfortable to wingers.

>>>”Cobra, you show a disrespect for Thomas Jefferson that can only be explained by irrational and non-historical bias.”

Not to hijack the thread on a Jefferson tangent, but exactly what am I supposed to “respect” about him?

From Sparks Notes:

>>>The defense of agrarianism was only one in a set of conspicuous social theories that Jefferson advanced in Notes. The most famous of these were his remarks on the relative characteristics of the black, native, and white populations in Virginia. While Jefferson believed the native and white populations to be intellectually comparable, he found blacks to be inferior to whites in the endowments of both body and mind. Although willing to grant certain cosmetic similarities between blacks and whites, he insisted on shortcomings of blacks with regard to beauty, imagination, and reason.
Jefferson viewed such inherent differences between blacks and whites as enough to make abolition impracticable. Although he supported, and even encouraged, the mixing of native and white blood, he viewed miscegenation between blacks and whites to be a crime against nature. For this reason, upon the inevitable step of emancipation, Jefferson could see no resort but to remove all blacks from the American continent, in a massive relocation project that would effectively repopulate the slave coast of Africa.”

http://www.sparknotes.com/biography/jefferson/section8.rhtml

Now as far as Robert Byrd goes…hey, he’s not my favorite guy. You fail to mention that RONALD REAGAN, Barry Goldwater, William Reinquist, and William F. Buckley also campaigned AGAINST the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Those four are the Mt. Rushmore of conservative thought in America today.

But you knew all that already, Redbeard, right?

–Cobra

You seem to have a your lack of understanding that it was current liberal “heroes” like Robert Byrd (former KKK recruiter) who filibustered the Civil Rights Act, while conservatives like Everett Dirksen got it passed. Dirksen’s own words, quoting Victor Hugo, say it better than I can: “Stronger than all the armies is an idea whose time has come.” He also said, “The time has come for equality of opportunity in sharing in government, in education, and in employment. It will not be stayed or denied. It is here!” Does that sound like a conservative bigot to you? Does Robert Byrd, leader of the liberals in the Senate, seem like a swell fellow for filibustering against civil rights for 14 hours straight?

Your lumping of nut case bloggers in with true conservatives makes no sense whatever, unless your purpose is to provoke rather than discuss.

I guess my debate truly is not with you, Cobra, because it’s hard to debate you while you’re carrying around that log-sized chip on your shoulder.

Then look at the guest list. Liberals can appear all by themselves. Conservatives always have at least one liberal on the program as well to refute what the conservative has to say and the liberal usually is given more time.

Read the articles. If it is good for liberals, the main point is made in the first couple of paragraphs. If it is good for conservatives, the main point is in paragraph 16 or lower and under the fold and on an continued page.

Then we get the barefaced remark that the media is controlled by the religious right from the White House because the media is owned by the right wing. How they can say this with a straight face is totally beyond me.

>>>If you’re looking for those who judge people based upon race, look to those called liberals today. They are the ones who insist upon pigeonholing human beings, refusing to allow an America where people “will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.”

Your debate on this is not with me, Redbeard. It’s with American History and Current Society. The man who you paraphrase in your statement was NOT wiretapped, menaced, imprisoned and eventually murdered by “liberals.” Liberals didn’t fight against the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Liberals didn’t fight against the Voting Rights Act of 1965. Liberals didn’t train firehoses and attack dogs on civil rights marchers. The man you idolize, Tommy Jefferson:
“I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.”…that is, every form EXCEPT for the SLAVES he owned (and reports say used sexually).
And as far as judging people by the content of their character, you need to review what some of your conservative friends are blogging about in regards to genetics…particularly INTELLIGENCE TESTING. This is not meant to indict all, based upon the actions of a few, but the evidence is clear about the true nature of many who call themselves “conservative.”

–Cobra