I see a pattern. Do you see it, too?
Update: These criminals have several factors in common, as many have noticed. Besides the obvious similarities, these future prisoners committed most of these crimes during the summer, as noted by one commenter.
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They are all men in their prime?
Pattern? They are men?
Well, that blew my PC quota for the day.
Same thing happens down here, see http://www.atlantapd.org/index.asp?nav=wanted
And down here nobody can cry it is some racist system of justice, given the top cop and most officers are Black. The Mayor is Black, the State Attorney General is Black. Nope, folks can make all the excuses they want, but fact is that too many minorities take part in crime. Trash in culture that is considered “cool” is making fools out of them!
We have identified the enemy AND HE IS US.
Hispanic.
Darnell is correct. The trash in the “culture” encourages crime…and there are too many minority fools who buy the trash and think it is cool to have killed somebody….
Even the video games (Mean Streets) make it “cool” to kill. You even get extra points for killing a policeman.
Oh, the pattern? They killed women, choirboys, and unarmed people.
Ok, I admit it. I have no patience nor understanding for those who deliberately debase a culture. I just got done ordering the warehouse staff to turn off the local hip-hop station. I did this immediately after hearing a so-called “performer” spitting out the most vile assault on decency I’ve ever heard. I can’t in good conscience even quote his lyrics, but if either of my sons had ever said such horrible things about anyone, anytime, even once, they would have been grounded for life.
Btw, it was the two white kids out back who turned that garbage on. The black guy prefers Miles Davis and Winton Marsallis, so the jazz station is now the default in our warehouse. If the other two don’t like it, tough.
Another benefit of multiculturalism.
Shut up and fix the problems then. Amazingly, you know what I found out in my younger years? Anyone can complain, relatively few folks (umm like most of you) have the guts to get out and create the change.
Your keyboard fingers probably hurt from typing all this social revolution that does nothing but reverberate amongst people with similar dispositions.
All I gotta say is – You Go Boy
haha…
And now all you do is complain about bloggers and blog readers who complain about the problems!
You’re a piece of work, Dell. For someone who thinks he’s so smart, you fail to see the persistent irony of your comments, at least the ones of this blog.
We’re waiting, sitting on the edges of our seats, to read and hear about some tangible things you’ve done to “fix the problems” when you’re not wasting time on this blog complaining about it and other commenters.
Illegals?
Honestly I am at a loss to see what you’re driving at Lashawn, so I won’t speculate.
However to the others, there seem to be some logical fallicies that have permeated many of your arguments thus far. First, the NY article lists only the 10 most wanted in NYC. One may attain ‘most wanted’ status for a number of reasons, not the least of which is the difficulty of law enforcement finding the suspect. That said, although the suspects seem to be 50/50 black and hispanic (at doubt. one of the suspects is Trini, and I suspect others are of Carribean decent, not to say that they aren’t black, but culturally they have a different background than black americans).
For those that cite the overindulgence of certain forms of music for the seriousness of these crimes, I’d suggest looking at the crimes of NY’s 10 most wanted in 1970 or 1980 for support for your hypothesis. (or lack thereof).
Finally, for Pajamazon; Assuming arguendo that no blacks or hispanics existed in NYC, do you then assume that no murderers would exist in NYC? Is that a logical deduction?
There wouldn’t be as many, and that’s a logical deduction based on the percentages of blacks and Hispanics who’re committing the crimes now. – Admin
That makes me very sad, La Shawn.
While I’m sure many of us do things to try and fix the problems, does anyone owe it to others that willingly destroy themselves? This is not a case of people being harmed by some outside invasion. These are adults willingly doing wrong. Many who reject efforts to invoke change because they embrace the trash that much. They have been told it is wrong and THEY KNOW IT IS WRONG. That is why they are WANTED by authorities! Because they know they did wrong and ran.
It is good to chronicle this for the sake of others that may witness the trend and benefit from the education.
The solutions are freely available:
“Crippled by Their Culture ”
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110006608
“How Not To Be Poor”
http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/05/11/how-2/
But of course when folks like Cosby speak up there is always a “Judas” like Michael Eric Dyson that run to attack him… (Not saying Cosby is Jesus, just speaking figuratively about his message and not his actions in his private life.) While folks like Dyson embrace the trash spewed by folks like Tupac.
And I forgot to mention in my previous post that the DA in Atlanta is none other than the infamous Paul Howard (a Black Man).
Anyway, all this was well chronicled in Romans Chapter 1. But as the saying goes, history repeats it’s self!
not to be persnickety, but a “10 most wanted” list would always have 10 most wanted criminals. And unless only 9 murders are committed by white fugitives in NYC I’d bet they still would be 10 murderers.
I don’t know that there is a pattern. New York City’s demographics are such that there are a lot of people from a lot of different races – there are a lot of black people, a lot of Hispanic people, etc. Simply because the list includes mostly blacks and Hispanics does not really mean anything. If NYC was a mostly white with a few blacks community, then it might say something – or the reverse, if it was mostly black with a few whites thrown in, and the list included mostly whites, again, it might say something.
See my reply to Stephen. – Admin
Violent crimes would be down. The focus, Stephen, is not whether or not crime would vanish. As long as we’re living in fallen world there’ll be violence. But the levels of violent crimes or even certain types of crimes committed by a sub-set of people with common characteristics would DROP if the sub-set was reduced or not present. Is that not logical to you?
This is very important point: Given their percentage in the population, minorities are overrepresented in crime statistics because they commit a disproportionate share of crimes.
stephen johnson – The trashy music only exacerbates the problem.
Urban area school drop out rates from 1970 or 1980 compared with now tell that story pretty well.
Most of the trash artist won’t even allow their own kids to listen to their product.
“We’re waiting, sitting on the edges of our seats, to read and hear about some tangible things you’ve done to “fix the problems†when you’re not wasting time on this blog complaining about it and other commenters.”
Amazingly LaShawn…I have helped start over 100 minority owned small businesses in the Urban Omaha area in six years…last check, they employed over 500 people predominantely in the minority areas.
I have consulted (pro bono) over 150 more helping them strenghten their organizational management and infastructure and haven’t bother to track their individual growth based upon my efforts.
As a youth pastor, I pulled over 30 kids out of the ‘ghetto’ in a two year period and trained them on basic lifeskills, financial literacy, and positive morality.
I have been a direct business mentor for five young African-American men and women in the banking industry, who are now doing a helluva a job in college and in corporate America.
In addition I have had two local TV shows, designed and taught 3 urban financial literacy programs, and am currently the Chair of District 2 Neighborhood Coalition, which seeks to empower local neighborhood associates in the Omaha Urban area, and I also chair the City’s Administrative Board of Appeals.
I am currently finishing writing a $5,000,000 grant or providing organizational management consulting for ICY in Denver, an organization that prevents recidivism and works to reduce low income youth from entering in the Colorado penile system (because as you may know, there population has exponentially exploded there in the last 20 years).
Also as you know, I am in the finishing stages of my new 501 C 3 organization CEED (Center for Economic Education & Development) http://www.urbanceed.org, and am working on getting a radio talk program based upon the urban politics, and economics in relation to it.
I write an urban business and social commentary column in the local black newspaper as well.
I do all this with a wife, 5 kids under ten that homeschool, a lizard and a little dirty pommerianian who poops everywhere.
I live my religion, I don’t just talk it, I live my convictions, I don’t just type them, and I sacrifice my blood, sweat, and tears like MY Lord and Savior Jesus Christ for what is the right and righteous thing because I believe:
Matthew 23:11 – But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.
When I was out on the streets at 5 AM praying with crack head…When I was driving a broken down bus to the projects…When I was teaching free financial literacy and business plan classes…When I was saving small businesses from bankruptcy..
Etc. Etc. Etc.
I like you. I think you try to do what you feel is right, and I respect that, even on the issues I feel you are 100% wrong. I respect you letting me post on your site, even though I disagree with 50% of your ideological positions. That takes guts as it is easy to censor folks who disagree.
After you read this, feel free to erase it as most people don’t want to know my life story but I felt obligated to respond. My faith is my life, and my community is my life, and I will die for both. A tree is judged by the fruit, and my fruit is my witness for Christ. That is not hyperbole or rhetoric.
Oh yeah…I am a certified hypnotherapist too.
Miss Barber, is it that most of these murders occured during the summer months?
-Andre Neverson, July 2002
-Anthony Hernandez, July 19, 2004
-Derrick Witter,July 22, 2004.
-Moises Valerio, May 21, 2004 (last Sunday being the first anniversary of the slaying)
-Tony Velez, July 22, 2004
-Wayne (Mad Dog) Chin, June 12, 2001
-Noel Kelly, April 24, 2004 (a tad early for summer)
-Alejandro Romero Solis, Angel Sanchez, & Ceasar Rosas, Aug. 18, 2004
Amazing!
When Dell says “Shut up and fix the problems then”, I’m curious to know what “problems” he’s referring to.
Is that a race card I see up your sleeve?
Darnell,
According to (see link at bottom) the national dropout rates has decreased since 1970-1999. and even more significantly, black youths make up less than 17% of all dropouts. Of further interest is the fact that the vast majority of drop outs are coming from the south and the west, not the northeast/mid west.
It is not the music. Though I really must conceade that I don’t see what drop out rates or music have to do with anything here, but…
http://nces.ed.gov/pubs2001/2001022.pdf
Commendable stuff, Dell (except maybe the hypnotherapy). I truly hope you’ll spend more time writing about that instead of complaining about this blog and the people who read it (which, amazingly, includes yourself).
You should keep us informed about the sort of programs you’re involved in, and more importantly, proven rates of success. As you complain about “all that typing” we do, type us some information and give us some anecdotes about people who’ve been helped by your programs. I just hope you’re de-emphasizing the pursuit of government funds and skin color preferences and emphasizing private funding, profit, and merit-based achievement.
They’re all murderers, and not white collar criminals?
Eddie–the US military has a wonderful program to help people get out of poverty, learn a trade, and gain on-the-job experience.
If the US military can do it, why can’t others?
All of these crimes were committed in either the Bronx, Brooklyn, or Queens. Liberal Manhattanites and their slightly more conservative neighbors in Staten Island can all rest easy.
stephen johnson – You are showing stats about national drop out rates when I specifically mentioned Urban areas. The areas this “entertainment” is based on and the areas that have children emulating the lyrics most since they are not hearing it from the comforts of suburbia.
“Study Labels Oakland Schools ‘Drop-Out Factories’”
http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:EflLzo5EmfcJ:www.foxreno.com/news/4347509/detail.html
The music is simply a reflection of the trash being embraced in culture. Which makes men feel it is OK to leave the children they help create and go make more. Because by culture it is “cool” to go have as much physical intercourse as possible and make a few babies. So what if they have different mothers.
Dell,
First let me say thank you for the good work you perform for our society. We are all better for it. But can I suggest Romans, too? In Chapters 8 and 12, I find my greatest solace and guidance. I used to get angry at people about their walks of faith, too, especially those who chose law over love, like the pharisees, without recognition that obedience is an act of love, and fear of punishment is selfishness. We are not all called to be hands. Some of us are feet. We are all part of the body of Christ, each having a purpose according to His Will. I thank God for La Shawn and her blessed gift with writing, and her strength to stand up for what is right. I thank God for you, too, Dell, and I will pray for your continued success – He has given you much already. La Shawn, some plant and some reap. You are good at planting ideas, keep up the good work.
Dell, I wonder why your posts usually seem to drift negative, calling for fixing blame and demanding that government do something, when your own positive experiences with mentoring, promoting individual initiative and stressing self-help have done so very much good for so many folks. Seems like you are living a very positive life, a life in direct opposition to the negative philosophy you espouse on the board.
Call me confused. But call me an admirer of your private life and achievements.
Lornkanaga – To elaborate on my previous comment, I think what Dell is doing is commendable. I had the privilege and honor of serving as youth director at my church and I know firsthand the challenges that come with that type of endeavor. I’m all for using the methods you listed to enrich the lives of young minority men and helping them become law abiding and productive members of our society.
When Dell says “problems”, it seemed to me he was referring to something along the lines of racial inequalities or racial injustices as the reasons why these men chose their lives of crime. If I’m reading too far (or too little) into his wording please enlighten me.
I was wondering the same thing myself, RedBeard.
Thanks, Kathy.
Lashawn,
I don’t dispute that minorities are disproportionately represented in crime statistics.
I will note that my post on my blog about statistics should pretty well sum up my faith in them.
I realize you live in DC, and in DC the criminals are black and hispanic, but I think that as you compare different cities, you will notice that the common identifier among the uneducated poor is a greater instance of crimes committed. Not race.
Though I agree that black folk need to get it together, and glorification of ‘hustlers and pimps’ aren’t the path to salvation.
Thanks for the help Lashawn. I’m no good at this http stuff.
Dell, we need to take some ownership of our problem.. You have. Thanks. Though think carefully about how you choose to exhort people into action.
Darnell, I don’t deny that there is a problem. I question where to assign the blame. Hip hop wasn’t around in 75, but there were parts of Philly that my uncles wouldn’t go to at all. Not surprisingly, they are the SAME areas I won’t go to when I’m in town. (ok I go, I just get in and get out).
It is too easy to blame hip hop, when there are other factors having to do with personal responsibility that are more important.
When someone kills a cop and says “Tupac made me do it through the music”, we immediately identify that person as either a lunatic or a moron and hope he fries.
I’m suggesting using the same logic when applting it to the black community as a whole. If it is not a defense for one, how can it be a defense for all?
stephen johnson – I think we very much agree more than disagree. I don’t think anyone is saying it is all the fault of some music. The issue is one of culture. The music is simply a reflection of that. And for those who are young it often becomes a guide.
So we must reject the negative, be it in music or elsewhere. It all does have an impact.
To me Solution = Jesus.
Bottom line is that faith has an impact on culture. People following the teachings of the Christian faith don’t show up on Most Wanted lists.
And Government can’t be your God/Church. So until the people wish to turn to God, the issues will continue.
No Government (for some it is Godverment) can’t fix this.
“Bottom line is that faith has an impact on culture. People following the teachings of the Christian faith don’t show up on Most Wanted lists.”
I wonder what crime rates are like for buddhists.
actus–quite right. The people who have grown up learning respect for others, love for their friends and family, and that doing the right thing is the thing to do are the ones who don’t end up on the most wanted lists. (Do we excuse those who didn’t grow up in a loving/nurturing home? Sorry, the mommy-didn’t-breastfeed-me defense doesn’t cut it, period.) Christian values happen to embrace the above-mentioned list, but that’s not the only set of values.
Oops. LaShawn–I forgot to mention that, in addition to most of the crimes having been committed in the warmer months, most of them involved guns. Is that another similarity you were looking for?
No particular similarities. I just thought it would be “fun” to guess. Sounds morbid, doesn’t it?
Anyone who believes government dropout rates from anyplace really hasn’t got a clue.
Real drop out rate = How many finished High School / How many started Junior High School.
That is a VERY LARGE percentage that NO Board of Education wants to talk about.
That is the BIG STINK in the middle of the room that nobody talks about, wants to know about, that doesn’t exist as long as nobody points it out.
If they had to tell the truth about this most School Boards would be tared and feathered at the very least.
Just try and find out How many students start at a High School and How many graduate for the last 10 years. They don’t have those figures. That isn’t the proper way to figure the rate. So many kids move and transfer you just can’t use those figures therefore we don’t keep those figures. Round and round you will go.
Drop out rate unbelievable.
Dell, I’ll ditto what others have said. For all the positives that you’ve done, what’s with the negative vibes, man?
That’s why I asked you on more than one occassion to lay some examples. Surely you’ve got some past performance, otherwise you wouldn’t be applying for 5 mil, especially for something that purports to address recidivism within the penal system (ya gotta watch those Freudian slips, especially on a proposal, since they get graded on spelling, grammar and cohesion of thot
)
More importantly, share with us about the glory to God’s name in your works. Improving the personal wealth/status of someone from the ghettoes doesn’t amount to a hill of beans if the beneficiary doesn’t repent and follow the Lord (Matt 16:26)
So in a nutshell, you’re operating one of them ‘durned’ faith-based charities that the MSM/DNC seem so bent on wiping off the face of the earth — ironic indeed when GWB did much to put them front and center in the public debate.
As an aside, what’s up with the hypnotherapy? I usually associate synaptic manipulation in the same column under Diviners. So what happens when you hypnotize someone that is demon-posessed?
Well to throw my 2 cents in about the music, I don’t think that is what is turning people to crime. When I was a kid, the pastor of the church I went to was anti-Rock. “Rock music makes you a drug addict.” “Rock music will make you homosexual.” I’ve been listening to rock my whole life, and I don’t do drugs, and I am totally hetero. What music I listened to was and still is irrelevant. All that is relevant is whether or not Jesus Christ is in your heart. The same paster was a recovering drug addict. He blamed rock & roll for his addiction. That never sat well with me. Now 25+ years later, I am married to a recovering alcoholic/drug addict, and I know that the pastor was still in denial. I’m not saying I didn’t like him or respect him; I did both. I’m just saying that there is a culture of not taking personal responsibility. When he tried that first drug, whatever it was, he chose to take it.
I got a little off on a personal rant there, but my point is, the problem is not the music. It is with the individuals, and thier families. If you’re raised to believe you’re a victim, every negative thing you do is someone else’s fault. With that line of thinking, how can a “victim” ever be anything other than a victim?
Speaking of music, I recall a recent interview where Pete Townsend’s daughter said that she had no idea who her dad was in music was about until she was 18 or so. So while The Who was out singing and making a fortune about my-my-my generation and hoping to die before they got old, daddy would leave his music at the curb when he got home.
On the otherhand, contemporary rap/pop music just leaves me cold. I now know how my eldes felt and they in turn about theirs. Nevertheless, there is the bottom of the barrel and that’s where we are now, or?
Disclaimer: I loved the Who, and this kid’s alright
Andy, I feel your pain. My 7 year old will open up Yahoo Launch and immediately click on Hip Hop and try to drown out my Jazz or Classical. So we compromise and listen to Bowling for Soup.
BTW, 1985 is about me, at least in my mind.
“Shut up and fix the problems then. Amazingly, you know what I found out in my younger years? Anyone can complain, relatively few folks (umm like most of you) have the guts to get out and create the change.”
I think it’s safe to say that none of the commenters here knew of any of your accomplishments until you posted them, so it’s EXTREMELY presumptuous of you to assume that most here are not doing anything to create changes.
You really have no idea what anyone here does.
When they ran a similar piece in the Philadelphia Daily News, the activist groups came out and attacked the paper. Because most of the most wanted, as identified by the police, we “people of color”. The paper is now no longer willing to run that same story in the future.
Dragonlady, I couldn’t even begin to pinpoint any year in particular. I’d have to say my golden age of music ran between 1965 and 1993, predominately rock but a little bit of everything els in between
re#20 – there’s always a spike in crime during summer in NYC. maybe it’s the longer hours people stay outside, or maybe it’s an effect of a mind-numbing heat & humidity. on a flip side, very few cars are stolen after a nor’easter ( a blizzard that dumps 20″ in 12hrs)
Whether or not Dell is doing all the things he says, I do not know. I hope so. What I do know is that he created a situation where he could trumpet his own accomplishments and declare himself superior to everyone else. Maybe he has his reward in full.
BTW, as a certified hypnotherapist and certified forensic hypnotherapist (non-practicing in both cases), I can tell you that certification is a joke. There’s no governing body and all you have to do is sit through 12-16 hours of training (depending on the program) and pay the money. I did it for CEUs for my license. The certification is in a drawer someplace. It’s a joke. Anybody who’s read Elizabeth Loftus or read neuropsych 101 understands how memory works and how hypnotherapy doesn’t.
“Shut up and fix the problems then. Amazingly, you know what I found out in my younger years? Anyone can complain, relatively few folks (umm like most of you) have the guts to get out and create the change.
haha…”
Your keyboard fingers probably hurt from typing all this social revolution that does nothing but reverberate amongst people with similar dispositions.
All I gotta say is – You Go Boy
“who are now doing a helluva a job in college and in corporate America.”[emphasis Mark's]
“I live my religion, I don’t just talk it, I live my convictions, I don’t just type them, and I sacrifice my blood, sweat, and tears like MY Lord and Savior Jesus Christ for what is the right and righteous thing because I believe:”
“Oh yeah…I am a certified hypnotherapist too.”
~Your talk doesn’t match “your walk.” Even IF you did/do all these things, there is still a little thing called motive. The Word judges that, too.
“A tree is judged by the fruit, and my fruit is my witness for Christ.”
~Indeed. As a youth pastor I hope you taught your kids better language and attitude than that which you have regularly displayed here, as well as the way you insult “those in authority” (in clear violation of the scriptural demand that we respect the authorities since God placed them where they are.) on your website.
LB wrote, “No particular similarities. I just thought it would be “fun†to guess. Sounds morbid, doesn’t it? “
I admit it was fun reading other’s guesses.
I refrained from any statement because there were high percentages in areas but nothing that could be stated as a pattern except male.
BTW, When I was younger (and liberal) I almost constantly used to heavy metal music from MegaDeath and Slayer and Metallica and Sepultura and others. While I didn’t turn to a life of crime and can honestly say that couldn’t possibly be THE REASON, I know there was a higher percentage of MORE violent low lifes who did listen to that music.
It was about their belief system and the lack of it.
Dell, one more question.
Would teaching ‘basic lifeskills, financial literacy, and positive morality‘ include anything like the following?
# Graduate from high school,
# Get married before you have children, and stay married,
# Work at any kind of job, even one that starts out paying the minimum wage,
# Avoid engaging in criminal behavior,
And last, but most importantly — at least for the Christian (umm like most of us)
# Love the Lord thy God with all of your heart…so that you may live.
I wonder why all keywords show up together in 17 verses: Deu 6:5, 10:12, 11:13, 13:3, 30:6, Jos 22:5, 1Ki 11:2, Ecc 9:1, Mat 22:37, Mar 12:30, Luk 10:27, Rom 5:5, 1Cor 2:9, 2Cor 9:7, Col 2:2, 2Th 3:5 & 1Jo 3:21. Even if you add Lord as another keyword, you still get 11 verses repeating the meme.
Must be critically important. After Jesus shot down — or to keep it real, fisked — the Sadducees over a question concerning ressurrection, Jesus went on to quote Deuteronomy in his reply to a lawyer regarding the greatest command in law.
Can I tell you something funny? I really love those NT flame wars. You got all these social/legal experts gaining up on Jesus and he just incinerates them every single time. No wonder they hated him enough to kill By Any Means Necessary.
Stephen J.
Don’t understand your # 12. But by the rest of your comments I have to roll my eyes. Minorities are disproportionately represented in crime statistics? What nonsense. What anti-American drivel! Yes, blaming capitalism for the criminality of minorities is anti-American. This argument that being poor causes crime is not only untrue, but evil in it’s root. It is the essence of class warfare. There have been poor whites in certain areas of America since our founding and they have never seen crime rates of our inner cities.
Here in Colorado when the Denver Post runs photos of the 50 most wanted it looks just like the list we’re talking about. Mainly latino and black, some white. And the Denver Post will be certain to include as many white faces as they can! It’ is not poverty that causes these people to break the law. It is their criminality. To point out the number of blacks in the NBA is a tribute to their physical prowess. To point out the number of blacks on the Most Wanted List is “racism” Untill we recognize that making excuses for criminals makes more criminals we are bound to repeat this “cycle”. We need more Bill Cosby’s. More Rev. Jacksons,(not Jessie).
Finally, Just to be clear. Your message about poverty (almost non-existant in America) causing criminality says something about your view of humanity as a whole. According to your theory all of us are just one financial setback away from armed robbery! Bad times make us bad! BS! America has a history of hard times and we got through them for the most part without becoming Bonnie and Clyde. To blame free markets for the antisocial behavior of some is a cry for communism. No thanks!
I kind of like the way most of them are described as having “short black hair,” as though that were the first thing we would notice about Derek Witter or Moises Valerio.
Do I notice a pattern?
Yes!
They all like their pictures being taken?
I still don’t see the pattern from over here.
Hint?
The one thing I see the all have in common is that the crimes were committed in a city where the innocent are not allowed to own firearms for their own protection. In Arizona we have a name for predators like this, DEAD! Yes, we still have crime here, just not as many repeat offenders.
Pajama,
Criminals are, for the most part, poor. Soory to burst your bubble. It is just the way things happen to be. My Dad used that fact (it is a fact, you know) as a motivator for us to do well in school.
Also, while you have reviewed my posts, you overlooked the fact that I said that it is the “UNEDUCATED” poor that comprise the majority of the criminal population. There was a modifyier that you missed.
But, Pajama, you can’t be serious with your belief that white folk are inheirently LESS prone to commit crimes are you?
Black folk (I speak only as a member of this group) are FAR more likely to commit crimes with a financial motive, i.e. armed robbery, drugs, etc… Even murder is for the most part, premised on some financial goal.
You have also wrongly assumed that I blame capitalisim with the existance of the poor. I do no such thing and I’d venture that my economic beliefs are probably much more conservative than yours (but I’d be speculating).
I assume that there will be poor. There will always be poor people. I don’t particularly care. It is most important to me that I don’t end up among their numbers. I will do what I can to help teach a man to fish, but I am not giving him a fish.
More importantly, criminality among the poor is neither unexpected, nor new. It is sad that BY PERCENTAGE OF THE POPULATION, my people are “disproportionately” represented. I don’t blame that on capitalisim, racism, or any other ‘ism’ (though I do suspect socialisim has something to do with it).
You judge me far too quickly, though, to be fair, I made a judgment about you, as well.
I still think that your view is far too myopic.
btw, “Bonnie and Clyde” weren’t alone in picking up a gun to ease their poverty in the 1920’s were they?
Was Jesse James an innovator in the 1880’s?
Stephen, with reference to your #60; if your belief could be summarized as, “I will do what I can to help teach a man to fish, but I am not giving him a fish,” then it looks like some of us are talking past each other.
I have no doubt, andy.
Rick:”The one thing I see the all have in common is that the crimes were committed in a city where the innocent are not allowed to own firearms for their own protection.”
They are NY’s most wanted.
I would suggest the pattern – perhaps not apparent from the photographs, unless you look closely into their eyes – is that these young men grew up without fathers and are now surrounded by women who simply do not expect them to behave. Neither the men nor the women in their lives modeled or demanded discipline. Too, their boyhood heros were thugs. Another pattern, I suspect, is that none of them grew up attending a church. And, none of them ever went to sleep with a loving adult kneeling beside them in prayer. Could it be that none of them has a single soul in this world praying for them?
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