Comments on: Deep Throat and the Great Stenographers

By: The Geek

The Geek — Wed, 08 Jun 2005 21:09:23 +0000

so actus you then admit that your “heroic” mister felt is just another crook who tried to be above the law and that makes him “heroic” how?

By: SCSIwuzzy

SCSIwuzzy — Wed, 08 Jun 2005 03:41:28 +0000

A non-sequitor wrapped in a misconstruction.
Sorry Winny. Had to be said.

By: actus

actus — Wed, 08 Jun 2005 02:45:43 +0000

“sorry actus but that arguement doesnt make any more sense the your first one â€¦. WRONG IS WRONG PERIODâ€¦ thats no such thing as â€œshades of wrong â€¦. ”

Hey, tell that to the guy who gets the death penalty and tries to compare himself to another with a speeding ticket. sheesh.

I will tell you one way in which felt was no worse than nixon. He apparently authorized break ins into offices for surveillance himself. AND was convicted of it. What scum huh?

By: Andy

Andy — Wed, 08 Jun 2005 00:37:21 +0000

The Geek, you should understand that Actus evaluates crimes by the degree of hate.

It’s only logical that he would evaluate Nixon as worse for bombing Cambodians (never mind that many came here to live as Americans, when they should be hating us) than Felt who didn’t kill anyone.

By: The Geek

The Geek — Tue, 07 Jun 2005 22:11:04 +0000

Actus, please understand im not saying that Nixon was right … but to say that one wrong is “despicable” while another wrong (and what Mister Feld did WAS wrong) is “heroic” is absurd to the Nth degree.

By: The Geek

The Geek — Tue, 07 Jun 2005 22:07:35 +0000

sorry actus but that arguement doesnt make any more sense the your first one …. WRONG IS WRONG PERIOD… thats no such thing as “shades of wrong ….

By: actus

actus — Tue, 07 Jun 2005 21:51:56 +0000

“poerhaps they should have but doing it ILLEGALLY and UNLAWFULLY makes them no better then Nixon. Dont you get it?”

To be no better than nixon they would have to bomb as many cambodians.

By: The Geek

The Geek — Tue, 07 Jun 2005 17:51:23 +0000

Actus …

poerhaps they should have but doing it ILLEGALLY and UNLAWFULLY makes them no better then Nixon. Dont you get it?

By: In Search Of Utopia

In Search Of Utopia — Tue, 07 Jun 2005 17:47:54 +0000

Revisionist History – Buchanan Style!

“This is the funniest and best â€œDeep Throatâ€ op-ed Iâ€™ve read so far.” La Shawn Barber After reading this rousing endorsement, I of course had to rush right over to the Beer Hall.. Eh, I mean Town Hall, and read…

By: actus

actus — Tue, 07 Jun 2005 03:21:06 +0000

“To circumvent the established procedures and disclose confidential or sensitive material to persons not needing to know such material (unauthorized disclosure) was then and is now a serious breach of trust, not just to the person being circumvented but also to the American people as a whole.”

More people should have breached the trust of Nixon.

By: The Geek

The Geek — Mon, 06 Jun 2005 22:10:14 +0000

Just my own personal opinion but it strikes me that as a sworn official of a Federal Law Enforcement Agency he should have followed established procedures for reporting of wrong-doing through official channels which as always have included going to the congressional committees which oversee or relate to the ares of business. If Mister Felt was of the opinion that he could not approach his superior (Attorney General John Mitchell), he should have at the very least made contact with the commmittee chairman and ranking minority member of either the Senatorial or Representative committees dealing with or having to do with the Department of Justice to explain his concerns or evidence of wrong-doing in accordance with lawful rules and governing regulations.
To circumvent the established procedures and disclose confidential or sensitive material to persons not needing to know such material (unauthorized disclosure) was then and is now a serious breach of trust, not just to the person being circumvented but also to the American people as a whole.
If i, as a member of the Armed Forces, had done such a thing i would have been subject to a courts-martial even if there were mitigating circumstances involved. Such mitigating circumstances, while they may be used in the determination of punishment rendered, do not make the breach of rules and regulations any less unlawful.
There is a right way of doing things and a wrong way of doing things. Mister Felt chose, in my humble opinion, the wrong way of trying to right a wrong. He should not be lauded for his intentions but rather rebuked for his actions. In doing what he did in the manner he did it he became a law-breaker just as much as Mister Nixon was for what he did. We are after all a nation of laws which are and of right ought to be equally applicable to every citizen.
In summary, good intentions coupled with wrong (and unlawful) actions do not make a right situation any more than bad intentions coupled with wrong (and unlawful) actions do.

By: actus

actus — Mon, 06 Jun 2005 02:34:45 +0000

“Unless Iâ€™m mistaken, I think youâ€™re trying to say France is ultimately responsible for the SE Asian misery & deaths”

If so then japan too. But a choice was made by us to go in, knowing it wouldn’t lead to a victory. That some people try to to pin this on woodward and bernstein is just nuts.

“I would say the president who was elected by promising (twice) to capitalize on the peace dividend (out of Somalia, leave Yugoslavia problems to the EU and stop adventuring around, ie world policeman)) would be the one that might be responsible for this mes”

Clinton’s interventionism was deplorable.

By: Andy

Andy — Sun, 05 Jun 2005 20:30:55 +0000

Actus #27: “In the world outside of wingnut-land, the responsible party is the one who does somethign. I would say the president who was elected by promising (twice) to leave vietnam would be the one that might be responsible for this mess, but that might take responsibility out of the hands of the people who got us into it.“.

That is so obtuse it sounds like sKerry on a good day. Are you coming or going, and how does that tie in with Deep Throat?. Unless I’m mistaken, I think you’re trying to say France is ultimately responsible for the SE Asian misery & deaths

So I thot, I’d turn it around and use Clinton to see if your statement still makes sense:
In the world outside of reality-based land, the responsible party is the one who does something. I would say the president who was elected by promising (twice) to capitalize on the peace dividend (out of Somalia, leave Yugoslavia problems to the EU and stop adventuring around, ie world policeman)) would be the one that might be responsible for this mess, but that might take responsibility out of the hands of the people who got us into it.

Restated thusly, it still sounds like France is responsible but I fail to see the connection to Monicagate.

As for how it really unfolded, I think you need more study time with a timeline chart. Try taking a look at the WG prosecution’s facts of the case.

By: actus

actus — Sun, 05 Jun 2005 19:14:42 +0000

“And you know this from: Watching the movie or reading a book by W or B.or you have some other source unavailable to the rest of us and un-named.”

Wait, do you really think that’s not how it unfolded?

By: Mike O

Mike O — Sun, 05 Jun 2005 18:23:05 +0000

Actus:
“Do you want me to go into more about how they did more than stenography? The used deep throat for 2 things: leads and confirmation. He either told them where to look or told them they were on the right track, and who was telling them the truth. Thats a lot more than stenography. Thats investigation.”
And you know this from: Watching the movie or reading a book by W or B.or you have some other source unavailable to the rest of us and un-named.
You probably also know that George Washington had a mistress too. Saw it on a TV docudrama. Whoops, when called on it the producers said that they had no evidence of Washington having a mistress but it made the story more interesting and Washington more human. Wouldn’t have made much of a movie if it was handed to W and B on a platter now would it? And you think if that had been the case they would have told you. Of course you do.