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		<title>By: Aaron's cc:</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/06/03/johns/comment-page-2/#comment-46598</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron's cc:</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jun 2005 17:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why would our Creator create &quot;shame&quot;.  Clearly there is some good purpose.  This seems like one of the useful applications of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why would our Creator create &#8220;shame&#8221;.  Clearly there is some good purpose.  This seems like one of the useful applications of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim R</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/06/03/johns/comment-page-2/#comment-46297</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jun 2005 18:17:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GlamChild and Red, You guys have to stop with the common sense stuff. Can&#039;t we just keep it complicated and enjoy the pleasant conversation we&#039;re having here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GlamChild and Red, You guys have to stop with the common sense stuff. Can&#8217;t we just keep it complicated and enjoy the pleasant conversation we&#8217;re having here.</p>
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		<title>By: RedBeard</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/06/03/johns/comment-page-2/#comment-46296</link>
		<dc:creator>RedBeard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jun 2005 17:59:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prostitution degrades women.  That&#039;s all I need to know in order to be firmly opposed to its legalization.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prostitution degrades women.  That&#8217;s all I need to know in order to be firmly opposed to its legalization.</p>
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		<title>By: Glamchild</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/06/03/johns/comment-page-2/#comment-46181</link>
		<dc:creator>Glamchild</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jun 2005 20:14:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dell Gines:  Should the Government regulate Football, Fatty foods, Alcohol ????

They tried to regulate Alcohol (Prohibition), and it didn&#039;t work.

A lot of this is what the Public will tolerate.  Nobody likes the food police, and the psychological benefits of team sports, especially for men, far outweigh any drawbacks.

But, I think the public would go for increased smoking laws, as many cities have already banned smoking.  The public has spoken on that.  Majority rules.

A majority of the public does not want prostitution legalized.

The Government cannot be neutral.  Either you are promoting something, or you&#039;re not.  Legalizing has the effect of promoting, and encouraging, a social wrong. ----A moral wrong.  

I&#039;m glad there are still some moral absolutes in society. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dell Gines:  Should the Government regulate Football, Fatty foods, Alcohol ????</p>
<p>They tried to regulate Alcohol (Prohibition), and it didn&#8217;t work.</p>
<p>A lot of this is what the Public will tolerate.  Nobody likes the food police, and the psychological benefits of team sports, especially for men, far outweigh any drawbacks.</p>
<p>But, I think the public would go for increased smoking laws, as many cities have already banned smoking.  The public has spoken on that.  Majority rules.</p>
<p>A majority of the public does not want prostitution legalized.</p>
<p>The Government cannot be neutral.  Either you are promoting something, or you&#8217;re not.  Legalizing has the effect of promoting, and encouraging, a social wrong. &#8212;-A moral wrong.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad there are still some moral absolutes in society.</p>
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		<title>By: southernrose</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/06/03/johns/comment-page-2/#comment-46175</link>
		<dc:creator>southernrose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jun 2005 18:39:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awesome!  Best of luck for the city&#039;s efforts!</description>
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		<title>By: Jim R</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/06/03/johns/comment-page-2/#comment-46164</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jun 2005 16:08:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;How do you go from legalized prostitution to wholesale socialism and tax payers paying for someone to have sex? Hahahaâ€¦&quot;

Well Dell, I believe we are almost paying for people to have sex now. Medicaid/Care provides Viagra, which came to my attention when some news broadcast discovered some pedophiles and sex offenders were getting it for free, compliments of you and I.

Don&#039;t say it couldn&#039;t happen. Who would have ever thought back when abortion was first made legal, that protecting women from dying due to botched backroom abortions would evolve into the right to kill a partially born baby &#039;with the Doctors help&#039;.

Slippery slope indeed. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;How do you go from legalized prostitution to wholesale socialism and tax payers paying for someone to have sex? Hahahaâ€¦&#8221;</p>
<p>Well Dell, I believe we are almost paying for people to have sex now. Medicaid/Care provides Viagra, which came to my attention when some news broadcast discovered some pedophiles and sex offenders were getting it for free, compliments of you and I.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t say it couldn&#8217;t happen. Who would have ever thought back when abortion was first made legal, that protecting women from dying due to botched backroom abortions would evolve into the right to kill a partially born baby &#8216;with the Doctors help&#8217;.</p>
<p>Slippery slope indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: MargeinMI</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/06/03/johns/comment-page-2/#comment-46153</link>
		<dc:creator>MargeinMI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jun 2005 14:36:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent discussion here.  Thanks, for the morning brain stretch!</description>
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		<title>By: Rafael Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rafael Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jun 2005 14:07:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anyone remember the song &quot;Cosmic Slop&quot;, penned by George Clinton and performed by Funkadelic (circa 1973)? (Y&#039;all are gonna think I am as as old as Redbeard). Anyway, I only mention it because the lyrics were about a mother of five who turned tricks to help feed and clothe her kids. She definitely felt shame about what she had done, about her dance with the devil. I know, it is fiction--it just came to mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone remember the song &#8220;Cosmic Slop&#8221;, penned by George Clinton and performed by Funkadelic (circa 1973)? (Y&#8217;all are gonna think I am as as old as Redbeard). Anyway, I only mention it because the lyrics were about a mother of five who turned tricks to help feed and clothe her kids. She definitely felt shame about what she had done, about her dance with the devil. I know, it is fiction&#8211;it just came to mind.</p>
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		<title>By: docjim505</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/06/03/johns/comment-page-2/#comment-46148</link>
		<dc:creator>docjim505</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jun 2005 12:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andy and mikem,

Thanks so much for your thoughtful responses.  I absolutely agree that prostitution is about as low as a person can go, and the image that you paint, mikem, is truly heartbreaking.  

However, I think we&#039;re stuck with the fact that prostitution exists and will continue to exist until the end of time, so we&#039;ve got to make the best &#039;deal with the devil&#039; that we can.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy and mikem,</p>
<p>Thanks so much for your thoughtful responses.  I absolutely agree that prostitution is about as low as a person can go, and the image that you paint, mikem, is truly heartbreaking.  </p>
<p>However, I think we&#8217;re stuck with the fact that prostitution exists and will continue to exist until the end of time, so we&#8217;ve got to make the best &#8216;deal with the devil&#8217; that we can.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim R</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/06/03/johns/comment-page-2/#comment-46142</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jun 2005 07:31:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;LOL Andy, this is such a slippery slope. How do you go from legalized prostitution to wholesale socialism and tax payers paying for someone to have sex? Hahahaâ€¦&quot;

Dell, I believe we are paying for people to have sex now. Medicaid/Care provides Viagra, which came to my attention when some news broadcast discovered some pedophiles and sex offenders were &#039;getting it&#039;, compliments of you and I. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;LOL Andy, this is such a slippery slope. How do you go from legalized prostitution to wholesale socialism and tax payers paying for someone to have sex? Hahahaâ€¦&#8221;</p>
<p>Dell, I believe we are paying for people to have sex now. Medicaid/Care provides Viagra, which came to my attention when some news broadcast discovered some pedophiles and sex offenders were &#8216;getting it&#8217;, compliments of you and I.</p>
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		<title>By: Shayne</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/06/03/johns/comment-page-2/#comment-46137</link>
		<dc:creator>Shayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jun 2005 04:00:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, you guys can argue on and on, but this is the truth: no one who does not have a Biblical Christian viewpoint should have any say in the government, because they are going to push evil laws. Muslims are going to push Sharia law, Atheists are going to push abortion, prostitution, racism, socialism, population control, genocide, and the list goes on. Only Christians are going to protect people&#039;s securities, freedoms, and rights. Those other groups can live here according to their own customs as ordained by the First Amendment, but if they break any laws affecting a Christian, such as murder and theft, they must be punished. If you legalize prostitution, you&#039;re going to have to legalize murder as well, or you&#039;re a complete hypocrite.

By the way, the Founding Fathers were of the opinion that only Christians should be running the government. However, they didn&#039;t write that into the Constitution because it would lead to liberals claiming to be Christians running things unopposed. Instead, We the People can do our best to ensure that true Christians get elected. And that&#039;s all I have to say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, you guys can argue on and on, but this is the truth: no one who does not have a Biblical Christian viewpoint should have any say in the government, because they are going to push evil laws. Muslims are going to push Sharia law, Atheists are going to push abortion, prostitution, racism, socialism, population control, genocide, and the list goes on. Only Christians are going to protect people&#8217;s securities, freedoms, and rights. Those other groups can live here according to their own customs as ordained by the First Amendment, but if they break any laws affecting a Christian, such as murder and theft, they must be punished. If you legalize prostitution, you&#8217;re going to have to legalize murder as well, or you&#8217;re a complete hypocrite.</p>
<p>By the way, the Founding Fathers were of the opinion that only Christians should be running the government. However, they didn&#8217;t write that into the Constitution because it would lead to liberals claiming to be Christians running things unopposed. Instead, We the People can do our best to ensure that true Christians get elected. And that&#8217;s all I have to say.</p>
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		<title>By: mikem</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/06/03/johns/comment-page-2/#comment-46134</link>
		<dc:creator>mikem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jun 2005 02:41:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>docjim: With respect, for personal reasons I disagree that prostitution should be legalized, but I wholeheartedly agree that from a societal point of view, it should be. To me, prostitution is the worst degradation that a man or woman can inflict on THEMSELVES. And that is my next point. Your statement that &quot;a lot of women sell their bodies because itâ€™s their only alternative to starving in the gutter&quot; is utterly alien to my own experience in  working with drug addicts and the homeless men and women. The non-profit I eventually worked for provided &#039;full support&#039; recovery services for these men and women on the streets, and not once in my entire experience did I came across a prostitute who was in your stated situation. Every prostitute that we treated was prostituting for drug money. Without exception.
Female prostitutes are the most heartbreaking part of anyone&#039;s experience working with drug addicts. Their chances of recovery are slim because their sense of loss of dignity is much more profound than with other homeless drug addicts, male or female. Males generally shoplift or commit other crimes, especially low level drug dealing, to feed their habits and do not as readily feel a loss of dignity from their criminal conduct. Women also steal, but the options of drug dealing, car theft, B&amp;E, robbery etc. seem more extreme to them than selling their bodies. It is just too &#039;easily&#039; accomplished and the market too accessible for them to ignore. 
Their situation is utterly lamentable, but it is  self inflicted and to paint a prostitute as a victim of an uncaring society, forced to sell her body to provide food or shelter for herself and/or children is to ignore the actual reasons that women and men prostitute. It is about making &#039;easy&#039; money for drugs.
I have no doubt that many decades ago many women engaged in prostitution for the reason you cite, although drugs were a large component of that era too, but it does not apply today. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>docjim: With respect, for personal reasons I disagree that prostitution should be legalized, but I wholeheartedly agree that from a societal point of view, it should be. To me, prostitution is the worst degradation that a man or woman can inflict on THEMSELVES. And that is my next point. Your statement that &#8220;a lot of women sell their bodies because itâ€™s their only alternative to starving in the gutter&#8221; is utterly alien to my own experience in  working with drug addicts and the homeless men and women. The non-profit I eventually worked for provided &#8216;full support&#8217; recovery services for these men and women on the streets, and not once in my entire experience did I came across a prostitute who was in your stated situation. Every prostitute that we treated was prostituting for drug money. Without exception.<br />
Female prostitutes are the most heartbreaking part of anyone&#8217;s experience working with drug addicts. Their chances of recovery are slim because their sense of loss of dignity is much more profound than with other homeless drug addicts, male or female. Males generally shoplift or commit other crimes, especially low level drug dealing, to feed their habits and do not as readily feel a loss of dignity from their criminal conduct. Women also steal, but the options of drug dealing, car theft, B&amp;E, robbery etc. seem more extreme to them than selling their bodies. It is just too &#8216;easily&#8217; accomplished and the market too accessible for them to ignore.<br />
Their situation is utterly lamentable, but it is  self inflicted and to paint a prostitute as a victim of an uncaring society, forced to sell her body to provide food or shelter for herself and/or children is to ignore the actual reasons that women and men prostitute. It is about making &#8216;easy&#8217; money for drugs.<br />
I have no doubt that many decades ago many women engaged in prostitution for the reason you cite, although drugs were a large component of that era too, but it does not apply today.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/06/03/johns/comment-page-2/#comment-46132</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jun 2005 02:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>docjim, rhetorically speaking, Ms Indra of Pepsico was right about Europe pointing the way that getting prostituion out of the underground economy is good.   

But before we rush in the direction that they are pointing, it would behoove us to really examine the ups &amp; down well -- learn about the hidden costs 2nd hand as opposed to experiencing it 1st hand.

Unvarnished Euro stats are hard to come by (I doubt it even exists in one consolidated form), I can only base my opinion on long-term observation  and putting disparate clues together.

However, legalizing it American style means it becomes a government sanctioned endeavor.  And you know as well as I do, when that happens, lawyers rush in to stretch the boundries as far as they can and then some.

Criminalization or legalization, which is the greater evil?  

In that case, perhaps better for the government to be totally neutral on the subject on the condition that force will not be tolerated with full weight of law.  

I posit that of the previously discussed options, legalization is the worst and that societal shame is the best way to make it rare and safe. It would take a serious political discussion to find that &#039;happy&#039; medium.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>docjim, rhetorically speaking, Ms Indra of Pepsico was right about Europe pointing the way that getting prostituion out of the underground economy is good.   </p>
<p>But before we rush in the direction that they are pointing, it would behoove us to really examine the ups &amp; down well &#8212; learn about the hidden costs 2nd hand as opposed to experiencing it 1st hand.</p>
<p>Unvarnished Euro stats are hard to come by (I doubt it even exists in one consolidated form), I can only base my opinion on long-term observation  and putting disparate clues together.</p>
<p>However, legalizing it American style means it becomes a government sanctioned endeavor.  And you know as well as I do, when that happens, lawyers rush in to stretch the boundries as far as they can and then some.</p>
<p>Criminalization or legalization, which is the greater evil?  </p>
<p>In that case, perhaps better for the government to be totally neutral on the subject on the condition that force will not be tolerated with full weight of law.  </p>
<p>I posit that of the previously discussed options, legalization is the worst and that societal shame is the best way to make it rare and safe. It would take a serious political discussion to find that &#8216;happy&#8217; medium.</p>
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		<title>By: docjim505</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/06/03/johns/comment-page-2/#comment-46130</link>
		<dc:creator>docjim505</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jun 2005 01:18:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are some great arguments made here against legalized prostitution, especially from Andy, SCSIwuzzy, and Montie.

I think that the central issues with prostitution are disease and the enslavement / degradation of women.

I would argue that if prostitution was legalized and regulated, these problems could be kept more easily under control.  If a woman (or man, for that matter) works in a bawdy house that is regularly visited by the local health inspector, then she automatically has a venue to complain if she&#039;s being mistreated.  Women working in such places would (presumably) also have protection against homocidal johns and pimps.  It should go without saying that the courts should vigorously prosecute anybody who forces a woman into the sex trade.

Greg in # 35 has a good point.  As has been pointed out, a lot of women sell their bodies because it&#039;s their only alternative to starving in the gutter.  I may be a heartless Republican, but surely we can provide better options than that.

At any rate, I pose the central question:

Is prostitution IN AND OF ITSELF bad?  Not &#039;wrong&#039;, but &#039;bad&#039;?

I argue that it is not.  What is &#039;bad&#039; are the accompanying crimes and pathologies such as the use of drugs and violence against women to get / keep them in the racket, disease, etc.  It is similar with drug use: there would be far less drug-related crime if users could get their fix at the local CVS.

By analogy, consider our societal attitude toward alcohol.  Drinking is perfectly legal above a certain age.  We know that some people become addicted to alcohol, and it can ruin their lives.  But the only time we get really upset about drinking is when somebody gets hurt because of drunk driving or some drunken brute decides to beat on his wife.  Our response is to prosecute the criminal, not ban the vice.

It ought to be the same with prostitution.  Mind you, I wouldn&#039;t want any female relative or friend of mine to engage in such activity, but I don&#039;t see the good in locking people up over it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are some great arguments made here against legalized prostitution, especially from Andy, SCSIwuzzy, and Montie.</p>
<p>I think that the central issues with prostitution are disease and the enslavement / degradation of women.</p>
<p>I would argue that if prostitution was legalized and regulated, these problems could be kept more easily under control.  If a woman (or man, for that matter) works in a bawdy house that is regularly visited by the local health inspector, then she automatically has a venue to complain if she&#8217;s being mistreated.  Women working in such places would (presumably) also have protection against homocidal johns and pimps.  It should go without saying that the courts should vigorously prosecute anybody who forces a woman into the sex trade.</p>
<p>Greg in # 35 has a good point.  As has been pointed out, a lot of women sell their bodies because it&#8217;s their only alternative to starving in the gutter.  I may be a heartless Republican, but surely we can provide better options than that.</p>
<p>At any rate, I pose the central question:</p>
<p>Is prostitution IN AND OF ITSELF bad?  Not &#8216;wrong&#8217;, but &#8216;bad&#8217;?</p>
<p>I argue that it is not.  What is &#8216;bad&#8217; are the accompanying crimes and pathologies such as the use of drugs and violence against women to get / keep them in the racket, disease, etc.  It is similar with drug use: there would be far less drug-related crime if users could get their fix at the local CVS.</p>
<p>By analogy, consider our societal attitude toward alcohol.  Drinking is perfectly legal above a certain age.  We know that some people become addicted to alcohol, and it can ruin their lives.  But the only time we get really upset about drinking is when somebody gets hurt because of drunk driving or some drunken brute decides to beat on his wife.  Our response is to prosecute the criminal, not ban the vice.</p>
<p>It ought to be the same with prostitution.  Mind you, I wouldn&#8217;t want any female relative or friend of mine to engage in such activity, but I don&#8217;t see the good in locking people up over it.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jun 2005 00:03:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm, my previous two comments didn&#039;t take, last try...

DG, re #40, you said: &quot;&lt;em&gt;Andy, it is a European court case in a socialist country. It is virtually irrelevent to the conversation at hand and here is why.

1. America starts from a different premise on what is a right and what is not. In America there is no â€˜rightâ€™ to have sex.&lt;/em&gt;&quot;

In response, I&#039;ll excerpt from Ken Kersch&#039;s article &lt;strong&gt;Multilateralism Comes to the Courts&lt;/strong&gt; in the Winter 2004 Public Interest magazine:
&quot;&lt;em&gt;In Grutter, Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg (joined by Justice Stephen Breyer) cited both the International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination (which the United States has ratified) and the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women (which it has not) as evidence of an â€œinternational understanding of the office of affirmative action.â€ In Justice Ginsburgâ€™s view, these international conventions provide the grounds for â€œtemporary special measures aimed at accelerating de facto equality.â€ In Lawrence, Justice Anthony Kennedy prominently recurred to a friend-of-the-Court brief on foreign law and court decisions filed by Mary Robinson, the former U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights, and to a key decision of the European Court of Human Rights.&lt;/em&gt;&quot;

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<p>DG, re #40, you said: &#8220;<em>Andy, it is a European court case in a socialist country. It is virtually irrelevent to the conversation at hand and here is why.</p>
<p>1. America starts from a different premise on what is a right and what is not. In America there is no â€˜rightâ€™ to have sex.</em>&#8221;</p>
<p>In response, I&#8217;ll excerpt from Ken Kersch&#8217;s article <strong>Multilateralism Comes to the Courts</strong> in the Winter 2004 Public Interest magazine:<br />
&#8220;<em>In Grutter, Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg (joined by Justice Stephen Breyer) cited both the International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination (which the United States has ratified) and the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women (which it has not) as evidence of an â€œinternational understanding of the office of affirmative action.â€ In Justice Ginsburgâ€™s view, these international conventions provide the grounds for â€œtemporary special measures aimed at accelerating de facto equality.â€ In Lawrence, Justice Anthony Kennedy prominently recurred to a friend-of-the-Court brief on foreign law and court decisions filed by Mary Robinson, the former U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights, and to a key decision of the European Court of Human Rights.</em>&#8221;</p>
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