Janice Rogers Brown Confirmed 56-43

by La Shawn on June 8, 2005

in Judiciary

One more post before I go on hiatus. I just heard via an e-mail from the Senate Republican Conference that California Supreme Court Justice Janice Rogers Brown was confirmed to the D.C. Circuit by a vote of 56 to 43. Quotes from the e-mail:

Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible.
- CA Justice Janice Rogers Brown

We no longer find slavery abhorrent. We embrace it. We demand more. Big government is not just the opiate of the masses. It is the opiate. The drug of choice for multinational corporations and single moms; for regulated industries and rugged Midwestern farmers and militant senior citizens.
- CA Justice Janice Rogers Brown

The quixotic desire to do good, be universally fair and make everybody happy is understandable. Indeed, the majority’s zeal is more than a little endearing. There is only one problem with this approach. We are a court.
- CA Justice Janice Rogers Brown

Government is the only enterprise in the world which expands in size when its failures increase.
- CA Justice Janice Rogers Brown

The public school system is already so beleaguered by bureaucracy; so cowed by the demands of due process; so overwhelmed with faddish curricula that its educational purpose is almost an afterthought.
- CA Justice Janice Rogers Brown

It’s a good thing. :) That filibuster “compromise” turned out to be sweet!

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josh 06.08.05 at 6:58 pm

She is AMAZING!!!!

She congeals the incoherent thoughts in my head.

SCSIwuzzy 06.08.05 at 7:03 pm

Government is the only enterprise in the world which expands in size when its failures increase.
She’s obviously never seen Michael Moore over at Jenny Craig.
Wait a minute… nobody has ever seen Moore at Jenny Craig.

Walter E. Wallis 06.08.05 at 8:33 pm

You realize, I suppose, that any liberal who sees the above on his monitor will have to burn that
monitor.
Finally California washes away the shame of Rose Bird.

Bill Dooley 06.08.05 at 8:44 pm

I like the outcome. JRB is a serious woman.

Andy 06.08.05 at 8:49 pm

Woohoo. Praise the Lord and pass the ammo :D

BoileryardClarke 06.08.05 at 8:59 pm

Well olive rosemary is just mad because Janice is a strong black woman who left the Democrat plantation I guess. I love Democrat hypocrites.

Three Cheers For Janice!

Sissy Willis 06.08.05 at 9:01 pm

Way cool. Hadn’t heard that yet. Janice Rogers Brown rules!

La Shawn 06.08.05 at 9:08 pm

Boileryard - Thanks for the comeback, but “olive rosemary” the troll has been banned.

BoileryardClarke 06.08.05 at 9:11 pm

aw gosh darn it La Shawn - I’ve been waiting for Ms Brown’s approval so long I was spoiling for a fight… oh well anyhow.

Here’s a great speech she made in my home town a few years ago - I’m sure your readers will be interested!

(nice to see you’re still around kiddo!)

http://www.constitution.org/col/jrb/00420_jrb_fedsoc.htm

DarkStar 06.08.05 at 9:32 pm

Like I said, I don’t see why conservatives are mad about the “compromise”.

Mwalimu Daudi 06.08.05 at 10:04 pm

Janice Rogers Brown for Supreme Court!

Condi Rice for Prez!

Howard Dean for permanent DNC Chair!

Jim Pfaff 06.08.05 at 10:55 pm

Note that Sen. Robert Byrd voted against her, and Clarence Thomas (no surprise), and (until you note he voted against) Thurgood Marshall.

Don’t know it for certain, but he sure seems to shy away from judicial candidates of color.

I don’t know his entire record of votes for or against black candidates to appellate seats, but I suspect it is not good.

Andy 06.09.05 at 12:16 am

Jim P. Good question, has the Kleagle ever voted for anyone of color in good conscience? Has he ever met a black he’d support? I’d be interested in seeing who were the exception.

Even wacko Jocelyn Elder didn’t get his support for Surgeon General.
Mr. President, as America’s chief public health official, the Nation looks to the Surgeon General for guidance. The position of Surgeon General is particularly important at this point in our country’s history, given the extremely difficult problems facing our country, such as a high teen pregnancy rate, AIDS, and an inadequate focus on preventive care within our Nation’s health-care system. These are real problems that must be addressed.

I met with Dr. Elders before the August recess, and we discussed her views on a number of serious public health problems and the programs she advocates and has implemented in the State of Arkansas to combat these problems. I personally admire Dr. Elders, whose dedication and enthusiasm as a public health official is immediately evident. However, Dr. Elders has made controversial statements that have caused me, and many of my constituents concern. There are those in this body who believe that just such a controversial figure may be good for the Nation’s health care system–that a good shaking-up is what the system needs at this time. I do not agree. At this point in our Nation’s history, as we confront the challenge of reforming our health-care system and dealing with the difficult public-health issues facing our young people and our Nation as a whole, I believe that our country sorely needs a consensus builder to deal with these difficult issues. I believe that we need someone who can bridge the many gaps in this very diverse and complicated society. We need someone to bring us together to work toward solving the significant public health issues facing our Nation. I believe that Dr. Elders is a sincere and well-intentioned public health official, but I do not believe, at this point, that she is the right person for Surgeon General of the United States.
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?r103:1:./temp/~r103uCqlr1:e201152:

IOW, Blacks need not apply.

Kevin 06.09.05 at 12:19 am

I love Janice Brown, and want to bear her children.

RedBeard 06.09.05 at 1:05 am

Today I heard some disgusting comments made about Justice Brown by Charles Schumer, accusing her of wanting to be a dictator of sorts. Is Senator Schumer clinically disturbed, or is he simply one of the lowest, meanest members of the Senate?

Andy 06.09.05 at 1:08 am

Hey Boileryard, been a while. Thanks for the link. For me, JB just went up another notch simply for working Procol Harum’ “A Whiter Shade of Pale” into the title of her speech and linking a verse to our current political circus. Her Honor is indeed gifted. :D

danielle mulder 06.09.05 at 7:19 am

Janice Rogers Brown is an activist judge. Even her fellow justices that sat on the Supreme Court of California challenged her tendency to put in her own activist judicial philosophy in her decisions.

http://www.independentjudiciary.com/nominees/nominee.cfm?NomineeID=50

Second, I’m tired of hearing this argument that these justices are opposed because of their faith or their values.
This type of faith based opposition hypocrisy is exposed in this piece
http://www.thenation.com/docprint.mhtml?i=20050530&s=mcgarvey

Finally, way the Republicans use the 76% support of Janice Rogers Brown is highly inaccurate

Conservatives tout how Janice Rogers Brown “was reelected by California voters with 76% of the vote.” This claim is highly misleading, because it does not clarify how judicial elections work in California. According to the League of Women Voters guide to judicial elections in California:

Justices of the Supreme Court and the courts of appeal serve 12-year terms. They are on the ballot only in November every four years when a governor is being elected. Justices who were appointed after the last gubernatorial election and those who are running for reelection after the expiration of the terms are listed without opposition on a nonpartisan ballot. Voters decide whether they continue in office or not by voting Yes or No. If the vote is No, the governor appoints a replacement who will be on the ballot in 4 years at the next gubernatorial election.

Since the ballot does not identify Janice Rogers Brown as a Republican appointee and Brown does not run against any opponent, a 76% of the vote under these circumstances doesn’t mean much. In addition, many liberals vote Yes on all nominees as a matter of principle, because they believe in keeping the judiciary independent from elections, regardless of whether they ideologically agree with the justice or not. Many of the Yes votes were cast out of respect for the office, not necessarily the person holding it, due to distate for the nasty 1986 right-wing campaign that ousted Chief Justice Rose Bird from the California Supreme Court. For example, the left-leaning San Francisco Bay Guardian has generally had a policy of opposing No votes in Supreme Court elections when making endorsements, but that is in no way an endorsement of Janice Rogers Brown personally

Renee 06.09.05 at 7:41 am

“In addition, many liberals vote Yes on all nominees as a matter of principle”

Well, there you have it :)

Renee 06.09.05 at 7:44 am

Danielle,
Please explain why you feel she is an activist judge (as opposed to just stating that others on the bench think she is). Just because the majority of the bench is left wing loonies, doesn’t mean the majority is correct (I thought we learned this lesson in grade school)…

so give us some examples so we can take your complaint seriously at least.

I guess it’s early and I am in form :)

Montie 06.09.05 at 9:13 am

Renee,

Isn’t it funny how liberals have made a BIG deal about many of the conservative nominees to the bench that have been put forth by Bush as being “activist” judges. Yet they often sing the praises of “activist” liberal judges.

Ever since I can remember, the term “activist judge” has usually been used to describe liberal judges who make law and re-interpret existing law in a way that fits their own liberal outlooks. It is only recently that I can recall conservative judges who hold to traditional interpretations of the law as “activist”.

So, the very thing that liberals hold dear in those judges that follow their line of thinking, “activism”, becomes an anathema when the judge is a conservative.

SCSIwuzzy 06.09.05 at 9:22 am

Montie,
To the democrats, activists judges are suppossed to be like blacks, jews and homosexuals. Their exclusive rubberstamps on all issues. Like spoiled children, they do not like the notion of someonelse playing with their toys.

SCSIwuzzy 06.09.05 at 9:23 am

#19, Redbeard:
Can’t he be both?

RedBeard 06.09.05 at 9:54 am

Ok SCSI, I’ll go with both. ;)

Danielle, it’s not activism to adhere to the law, as in the supreme law of the land, the United States Constitution. That is called being true to the oath of office. Activism is practiced by liberal judges who distort the law and insert a personal agenda that is quite often at odds with the law.

Baklava 06.09.05 at 10:51 am

La Shawn wrote, “It’s a good thing. That filibuster “compromise” turned out to be sweet!”

I actually had a moderate view of the compromise. There were people thinking that this was the worst thing ever.

It was just a kick of the can down the road.

Democrats will filibuster again (after the 3 agreed upon judges are voted on) and Lindsey Graham and maybe even John Warner will not form the compromise again if they keep seeing the Democrats filibuster again. Maybe I’m wrong.

Baklava 06.09.05 at 11:21 am

Darkstar wrote, “Like I said, I don’t see why conservatives are mad about the “compromise”.”

It was a kicking a can down the road for the 7 Republicans and they didn’t come to realize that they were not confronting the issue.

I can understand people being upset when people don’t confront an issue. Just some of the rhetoric was over the top. Can you understand someone not liking their leaders confronting an issue Darkstar? For instance union leaders not trying to confront an issue and just kicking a can down the road or a district attorney not confronting an issue or a governor not confronting an issue. Again. Yes. I agree some of the rhetoric was a bit much. It isn’t the end of the road. But the issue will return when Democrats start filibustering good people again. I know you monitor this site pretty well. You saw that Ruth Bader Ginsberg has said some pretty off the wall stuff and she was confirmed like 96-3 or something. Janice Rogers Brown did not deserve to be treated the way she was treated by Democrats. And…. I agree with the rulings or dissents that she made that Democrats don’t like. Like the Remo Hotel dissent.

Baklava 06.09.05 at 11:24 am

#16 - Andy,

Wow. Thanks for the quote from the long time seat holder and Democrat. Anyone ready to go vomit now?

Baklava 06.09.05 at 11:27 am

#21 Danielle,

The independantjudiciary is not independant nor even moderate. They are partisan and misleading and with agenda. I’ve addressed this in previous posts.

Name a decision she made that you disagree with and why. Research and state please.

Renee 06.09.05 at 11:30 am

Dang Bak,
I already did :) Maybe I can muster up another one…LOL

Andy 06.09.05 at 11:52 am

Danielle, go cry me a river. Ya’ll had your fun messing up the legal and economic systems, but like all bad things must come to an end, sooner or later. Sooner, faster, please, sooner, faster. :)

Renee 06.09.05 at 12:06 pm

Guys (and girls) you have got to read Scrappleface’s take on this (heading below):

GOP Senators Shocked: Judge Brown is Black :)

Chris Roberts 06.09.05 at 1:33 pm

My opinion is that her opposition was even greater because of which court she was appointed to. The D.C. bench sees way more of the more influential cases to work its way through the system. If she were appointed elsewhere, opposition would still be great, but not as vociferous or ugly. Her decisions and dissents are a textbook on true conservatism, and the way things ought to be (to borrow from Rush). Any question about what she would say in regards to the Kansas Supreme Court and its school funding decision?

I think her appointment should be made into a national holiday. I am excited that she has taken the next step towards the SC.

Autumn 06.09.05 at 1:40 pm

Oh, Happy Day! This is one of those things that might go unnoticed by the public at large. But, being the poli-junkie that I am, I got a tear of happiness in my eye as I drove along and heard the great news on the radio news update.

The misrepresentation of of her veiws as far out of the mainstream (I guess that makes me a right wing crazy too!) will not prevent her from being where she needs to be. Thank you president Bush for sending her to DC!

danielle mulder 06.09.05 at 10:03 pm

well i’m not too angry. I love republicans.. they pander to christians.. don’t actually do anything about these so called morals … and then they give my immigrant and idol worshipping family huge unnecessary tax cuts. The way I look at is this: If people in Mississippi want the government to spend their tax dollars on Iraq depsite the fact the nation had no WMD, you know Muslim people are hypersensitive (Newsweek), and no matter how you conduct the “liberation,” they will view our intervention as an occupation (especially when you use words like Crusade) and this distrust will make the situation even more volatile and create an environment that gives birth to infite Osamas rather than on their deteriorating public schools and lack of health care.. and at the same time give my idol worshipping family tax cuts because Billy and Allen want to get married (even though the Government can’t do anything about making them straight) then so be it. THANK YOU.. Thats why hardworking immigrants are taking over this country. Keep spending your Sundays at Church worrying about abortion and what Billy and Allen are doing in their own homes, while immigrants begin to take over the nation. You look at all the rich houses in the district I live in Northern VA.. they are all owned by Indians and Koreans (Doctors, lawyers, entrepeneurs.. etc.) I love it.

You started out well “danielle,” as your previous comment shows. As this blog is run by a Christian, use common sense and don’t offend me if you want to stick around. I won’t tolerate anti-Christian jabs on this site. Couldn’t care less about who owns what house, as long as they’re not criminal aliens. Contain your contempt, or move on to another blog. - Admin

Andy 06.09.05 at 10:33 pm

I love it too because we’re all in fact immigrants. Nothing new there except I’m not clear on why you think Indians and Koreans are coming here instead of staying back in the old land.

And so what if most Americans also tend to be hypersensitive and view the Muslims who use words like Jihad as a badge of honor with a mix of disgust and distrust? We’re not the only ones to do so, even most Iraqis feel the same way. If they thot it was an occupation, then why are they asking us to stay?

We give you ‘huge unecessary tax cuts’ so that you can grow, suceed and expand the tax base. Think of it as an investment for the future that returns dividends many times over. Certainly better than relegating you to the public dole.

Don’t you get it? It’s all part of our VRWC :D

Kevin 06.09.05 at 10:41 pm

“Use common sense.” What are the odds? A left wingnut once again ventures into the house of a conservative Christian, spouts a Leftist and anti-Christian screed, is “rightly” skewered by commenters and the hostess, then responds with vitriol. To what purpose? To make herself feel better, I suppose, because, in the end, she speaks only to herself, convincing no other commenter of the correctness of her viewpoint. Common sense? Hardly.

actus 06.10.05 at 8:35 am

“GOP Senators Shocked: Judge Brown is Black ”

I’m shocked that she disagrees with the lochner dissent.

SCSIwuzzy 06.10.05 at 9:35 am

Can I get that duck agrodolce?
What she said in 2000, was:
As a conservative judge, I initially accepted the conventional wisdom [about Lochner]…. You all know the drill…. ‘Lochnerism’ is the strongest pejorative known to American law. [But] even conservative judges who take the rule of law seriously are appalled by legislative actions which violate the whole spirit, if not quite the letter, of provisions clearly designed to limit government.” Unless judges enforce these “extra-constitutional” rights, she said, “a democracy is inevitably transformed into a kleptocracy — a license to steal, a warrant for oppression.”

Which is not to say that Lochnerism is always right, or that it is always wrong; the danger of worshiping the Lochner disent is that it encourages group think and knee jerk reactions.

RedBeard 06.10.05 at 11:28 am

Judicial decisions are subordinate to the Constitution. Worshiping a judicial decision can easily trivialize the Constitution, just as worshiping an organized religion’s dogma can easily trivialize the Bible.

actus 06.10.05 at 11:42 am

“the danger of worshiping the Lochner disent is that it encourages group think and knee jerk reactions.”

The funny thing is that the lochner dissent is the one that allows for more legislative freedom in economic policymaking.

RedBeard 06.10.05 at 11:53 am

Economic policymaking is just one of the federal government’s activities that has been taken to inexcusable excess. As far as I’m aware, Article X of the Bill of Rights has not been repealed, but it sure is routinely ignored.

RedBeard 06.10.05 at 11:58 am

Put another way, it’s not necessary to agree with every application of every bit of law as it is seen by Justice Brown in order to support her confirmation. I don’t agree with everything my wife says either, but we’re still married.

actus 06.10.05 at 12:19 pm

“Economic policymaking is just one of the federal government’s activities that has been taken to
inexcusable excess”

Lochner was about a state, not federal, regulation.

Andy 06.10.05 at 12:51 pm

Economic policymaking is just one of the state government’s activities that has been taken to
inexcusable excess!!!

Happy now actus?

actus 06.10.05 at 1:01 pm

IIRC, lochner was about a minimum wage law. Is that an excess? Even if so, you think its the role of the courts and the 14th amendment to enact economic policy, or of the legislature.

actus 06.10.05 at 1:06 pm

Oops. didn’te get the whole comment in.

the question is whether its the courts or the legislature that get to make economic policy.

SCSIwuzzy 06.10.05 at 1:37 pm

Actually, wasn’t Lochner more about allowable hours? That is, no work days longer than 10 hours in the bakery business, and no work weeks of more than 60 hours.
If only I were a law student with quick access to this kind of data. ;)

actus 06.10.05 at 1:48 pm

“That is, no work days longer than 10 hours in the bakery business, and no work weeks of more than 60 hours.
If only I were a law student with quick access to this kind of data.”

IIRC, that is correct. 60 hours isn’t really much of an excess is it?

SCSIwuzzy 06.10.05 at 3:43 pm

Well, minimum wage controls and maximum hour controls are a tad different.
The length of a work day has public and private safety implications, exp in food handling (and regulation of this sort was young when Lochner v NY was decided).
As for who should be setting policies, maybe I read the constitution too literally, but:
Legislature makes laws
Courts interp. laws
Executive branch enforces laws
this system only works though, when the 3 branches guard their territory and stand up to the other 2 branches.

RedBeard 06.10.05 at 4:39 pm

Actus, does not Lochner establish federal oversight of state functions by overriding a sovereign state’s decision? Even though I personally disagree with the state’s legislation, it’s the business of that state, not the feds.

In addition, the dissent you like so much would simply reverse the outcome, but would still be the federal government engaging in interference in a state matter by locking the state decision up for good.

The Supreme Court may have a valid role here, in the real world. But in theory I’m just pointing out the federal determination of economic policy that results, no matter which way the ruling went. I get very nervous whenever the federal government acts upon anything regarding economic policy.

actus 06.10.05 at 4:50 pm

“Actus, does not Lochner establish federal oversight of state functions by overriding a sovereign state’s decision?”

In a way, it establishes the federal judiciary as the enforcer of a laissez-faire vision of the 14th amendment.

It is, however, plain reading of the constitution that congress can preempt state regulation. So long as congress itself can act, it can override the states.

“In addition, the dissent you like so much would simply reverse the outcome, but would still be the federal government engaging in interference in a state matter by locking the state decision up for good.”

no. the state legislature would be free to do what it wanted.

RedBeard 06.10.05 at 5:08 pm

“the state legislature would be free to do what it wanted.”

How so? If the dissent became the majority opinion, then how could the state change policy if so inclined, say via an election year realignment? With great difficulty, at best, once the feds stick their noses in.

“It is, however, plain reading of the constitution that congress can preempt state regulation. So long as congress itself can act, it can override the states.”

Be specific. What do you mean by that? Coinage? Duties and tariffs? Interstate commerce?

Andy 06.10.05 at 5:31 pm

Redbeard, you mean be on target don’t you? The 14th is too general and discussing it as a whole in light of Lochner is actually being overbroad. ;)

RedBeard 06.11.05 at 9:21 am

This whole business of judicial interpretation is a very delicate balancing act. The Founders intended it to be so, with separation of powers, checks and balances, multiple ways for one or two branches of government to stop the abuses of another branch.

But the Founders were crystal clear and absolute about the Constitution being a limiting document, a tool for the sovereign states to grant only specific and enumerated powers to the federal government, while retaining ALL other powers. The feds are prohibited from doing ANYTHING not specifically authorized by the Constitution. This is the point lost on the left today, and the point being trampled to death by the judiciary, the Congress (including, sadly, clueless Republicans), and the White House.

Chris Leavitt 06.13.05 at 4:16 am

Janice Rogers Brown should be the next U.S. Supreme Court nominee, whether she replaces Rehnquist or O’Connor!

actus 06.13.05 at 8:44 am

“How so? If the dissent became the majority opinion, then how could the state change policy if so inclined, say via an election year realignment?”

The dissent said that the federal judiciary cannot use the constitution to strike down economic state regulations as a violation of some due process contract right. The state could change policy the same way it made the policy — by passing a law in its legislature.

“Be specific. What do you mean by that? Coinage? Duties and tariffs? Interstate commerce?”

Among some people there is debate about in what areas congress can act. But there is no debate that if congress can act in an area where states can also act, then congress is the one with the ability to preempt and override the states, and not the other way around. This is the supremacy clause.

Andy 06.13.05 at 4:12 pm

The judiciary has no powers of enforcement, so it’d be up to a State to decide to buck or cave. I’d really like to see someone buck the court for a change.

RedBeard 06.13.05 at 6:19 pm

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

The feds can’t make laws superior to state law unless specifically granted that power by the Constitution. That’s why the above so-called “supremacy clause” uses the words “in Pursuance thereof” to define the process. Laws which are created without specific Constitutional authority cannot, by definition, be “in pursuance” of the Constitution. Unfortunately for us all, liberal interpretations have thoroughly corrupted our federal system.

The true “supremacy clause” is the 10th Amendment.

actus 06.13.05 at 9:26 pm

“The judiciary has no powers of enforcement, so it’d be up to a State to decide to buck or cave”

In the case of lochner, it did cave.

“I’d really like to see someone buck the court for a change.”

Andrew Jackson did. nice guy.

“The feds can’t make laws superior to state law unless specifically granted that power by the Constitution.”

I know. That’s why I said that so long as congress can act, it is supreme.

Andy 06.13.05 at 11:25 pm

Actus, you’re right, while the Indian Removal Act was a tragedy, Andrew Jackson was a nice guy.

It’d be nice if some politicians had the fortitude to buck the courts every once in a while to keep them in balance.

actus 06.14.05 at 7:48 am

“It’d be nice if some politicians had the fortitude to buck the courts every once in a while to keep them in balance. ”

It also happened for decades following brown. Remember, brown was mostly not implemented in 1954. The civil rights act only came a decade later, and even into the 70’s desegregation was going on.

So another example for you.

Andy 06.14.05 at 10:01 am

My point is I’d like to see current examples, the past is past.

RedBeard 06.14.05 at 10:24 am

Maybe a few states with some intestinal fortitude will pass new laws about the murdering of unborn children, forcing the issue back to the Supreme Court for the eventual overturning of Roe v. Wade.

actus 06.14.05 at 10:31 am

“My point is I’d like to see current examples, the past is past. ”

People clearly pass unconstitutional laws. Utah just passed an internet filtering law that is clearly unconstitutional.

SCSIwuzzy 06.14.05 at 11:23 am

Explain how so actus.

RedBeard 06.14.05 at 11:34 am

Clearly unconstitutional? That’s a bit premature. We’ll see.

Liberal courts, led by the nose by the Utah ACLU, will probably find a reason to declare it unconstitutional. But a law requiring only that a porn filter be offered as an option at the subscriber’s discretion? Doesn’t sound very heinous to me, and hardly a threat to the 1st Amendment.

actus 06.14.05 at 12:22 pm

“Clearly unconstitutional? That’s a bit premature. We’ll see.”

PA recently had a similar law struck down.

“But a law requiring only that a porn filter be offered as an option at the subscriber’s discretion? Doesn’t sound very heinous to me, and hardly a threat to the 1st Amendment.”

That’s not the law that Utah passed. For more, check out the folks that got the PA law struck down:

http://cdt.org/speech/

RedBeard 06.14.05 at 2:08 pm

Ok then, can you explain what the Utah law does, and what I have misstated? And then can you explain how it’s the same as the Pennsylvania law?

RedBeard 06.14.05 at 2:10 pm

The website you referenced has not updated itself to show the Utah law as it exists. That site apparently is looking at what was first proposed.

actus 06.14.05 at 2:46 pm

“The website you referenced has not updated itself to show the Utah law as it exists. That site apparently is looking at what was first proposed.”

You’ll notice a press release, as well as a complaint filed — both dated june 9th. The latter has more detail than the former. Included in this extra detail is the date in which the law was signed (paragraph 3).

Towards the bottom of the screen, on march 22 and 8th, you have the law being signed and passed. This is right above the headline describing the PA law being struck down.

RedBeard 06.14.05 at 3:08 pm

Yes, I saw those links, none of which addresses my question. Well, one does, by actually contradicting the website’s main content. The Utah law say that an internet provider can comply by only offering, upon request, a piece of blocking software. I can find no such clause in the Pennsylvania law. Apples, oranges.

Baklava 06.14.05 at 3:14 pm

RedBeard. He has a reading comprehension problem. The point was won but lost I’m afraid.

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