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	<title>Comments on: Death Culturists Say Michael Schiavo &#8216;Vindicated&#8217;</title>
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		<title>By: SCSIwuzzy</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/06/15/death-3/comment-page-3/#comment-52175</link>
		<dc:creator>SCSIwuzzy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2005 12:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry Josephus, but &quot;all over the dittosphere&quot;
 does not equate to evidence.  Put up, or perhaps shut up.
Now, if I go to the lefty side of the sphere, I&#039;d only have to visit DU or DailyKos&#039;s front page to find a Nazi or fascist reference.  No seraching required.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Josephus, but &#8220;all over the dittosphere&#8221;<br />
 does not equate to evidence.  Put up, or perhaps shut up.<br />
Now, if I go to the lefty side of the sphere, I&#8217;d only have to visit DU or DailyKos&#8217;s front page to find a Nazi or fascist reference.  No seraching required.</p>
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		<title>By: adrian walker</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/06/15/death-3/comment-page-3/#comment-52141</link>
		<dc:creator>adrian walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2005 07:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Josephus,

There IS a difference between withholding aggressive treatment that simply prolongs an otherwise inevitable dying process and euthanasia, whether the euthanasia comes in the form of withholding non-aggressive treatment for someone who is not otherwise dying (Terri) or casuig death through lethal injection or whatever. This difference outweighs all the similarities you mention.

Your position seems to be: it&#039;s all euthanasia, and euthanasia is ok. LB is simply saying, no, there is a distinction, and the things on one side of the distinction are ok and the things on the other aren&#039;t. Perfectly reasonable.

It seems to me that yuo can tell others not to judge behavior or action X only when you&#039;ve already made up your mind that X is ok. Well, some people disagree, and instead of hysterically dismissing them, you ought to provide an argument and not just a tirade, to show that everything is euthanasia and euthanasia is ok.

Cheers.

Adrian</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Josephus,</p>
<p>There IS a difference between withholding aggressive treatment that simply prolongs an otherwise inevitable dying process and euthanasia, whether the euthanasia comes in the form of withholding non-aggressive treatment for someone who is not otherwise dying (Terri) or casuig death through lethal injection or whatever. This difference outweighs all the similarities you mention.</p>
<p>Your position seems to be: it&#8217;s all euthanasia, and euthanasia is ok. LB is simply saying, no, there is a distinction, and the things on one side of the distinction are ok and the things on the other aren&#8217;t. Perfectly reasonable.</p>
<p>It seems to me that yuo can tell others not to judge behavior or action X only when you&#8217;ve already made up your mind that X is ok. Well, some people disagree, and instead of hysterically dismissing them, you ought to provide an argument and not just a tirade, to show that everything is euthanasia and euthanasia is ok.</p>
<p>Cheers.</p>
<p>Adrian</p>
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		<title>By: adrian walker</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/06/15/death-3/comment-page-3/#comment-52139</link>
		<dc:creator>adrian walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2005 07:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Andy,

Thanks, pal.

A.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Andy,</p>
<p>Thanks, pal.</p>
<p>A.</p>
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		<title>By: Stingray</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/06/15/death-3/comment-page-3/#comment-52065</link>
		<dc:creator>Stingray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2005 02:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Terri Schiavo autopsy raises questions&lt;/strong&gt;

I was catching up at La Shawn Barber&#8217;s Corner after a few days&#8217; absence and ran across &#8220;Death Culturists Say Michael Schiavo &#8216;Vindicated&#8217;.&#8221; I high-fived my monitor when La Shawn pointed out that manner in which Terri...</description>
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<p>I was catching up at La Shawn Barber&#8217;s Corner after a few days&#8217; absence and ran across &#8220;Death Culturists Say Michael Schiavo &lsquo;Vindicated&rsquo;.&#8221; I high-fived my monitor when La Shawn pointed out that manner in which Terri&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/06/15/death-3/comment-page-3/#comment-51895</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jun 2005 18:57:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;So what? La Shawn can delete anything she wants. Are you posting this from your work computer? Better be careful. - Admin&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>So what? La Shawn can delete anything she wants. Are you posting this from your work computer? Better be careful. &#8211; Admin</em></p>
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		<title>By: JRK</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/06/15/death-3/comment-page-3/#comment-51882</link>
		<dc:creator>JRK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jun 2005 17:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those interested, here is a link to a very interesting article:

http://www.lifeissues.net/news.php?newsID=00011202&amp;topic=eu
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those interested, here is a link to a very interesting article:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.lifeissues.net/news.php?newsID=00011202&amp;topic=eu" rel="nofollow">http://www.lifeissues.net/news.php?newsID=00011202&amp;topic=eu</a></p>
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		<title>By: Josephus</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/06/15/death-3/comment-page-3/#comment-51532</link>
		<dc:creator>Josephus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2005 22:24:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;One was a degenerative condition, the other stable.&quot;

In BOTH cases, a decision ws made not to put off death via more medical treatment.  In BOTH cases, the patients could have been kept alive longer than they were.  The only significant moral difference here is that LaShawn has chosen, for reasons entirely her own, to cling to her previous hateful position on one case, and not to admit any link to any similar cases that might threaten to undermine her shaky position.

As for the &quot;Nazi&quot; quotes, they are all over the dittosphere, and you know it.

&lt;em&gt;One more remark like that about me, and you&#039;re gone, &quot;Josephus.&quot; Lord only knows why I&#039;ve put up with it this long. Comment on the subject WITHOUT referring to me. - Admin&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;One was a degenerative condition, the other stable.&#8221;</p>
<p>In BOTH cases, a decision ws made not to put off death via more medical treatment.  In BOTH cases, the patients could have been kept alive longer than they were.  The only significant moral difference here is that LaShawn has chosen, for reasons entirely her own, to cling to her previous hateful position on one case, and not to admit any link to any similar cases that might threaten to undermine her shaky position.</p>
<p>As for the &#8220;Nazi&#8221; quotes, they are all over the dittosphere, and you know it.</p>
<p><em>One more remark like that about me, and you&#8217;re gone, &#8220;Josephus.&#8221; Lord only knows why I&#8217;ve put up with it this long. Comment on the subject WITHOUT referring to me. &#8211; Admin</em></p>
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		<title>By: skink</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/06/15/death-3/comment-page-3/#comment-51504</link>
		<dc:creator>skink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2005 20:18:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;82% of us were horrified by that&quot;

...82% of somebody may have been horrified by what they were misled (by the MSM) into believing was unconstitutional....but somehow that 82% never includes me or anyone I have ever known.  I am very skeptical about the proper randomness of samples in media polls.

FACT: Congress did not act outside its constitutional authority in ASKING the appeals courts to consider ordering a de novo or &quot;new&quot; look at the original heresay evidence provided by Michael Schiavo, his brother, and his sister-in-law.

Perhaps Congress felt that the Schindler family and all of their witnesses should not have been initially dismissed out of hand as not credible in the initial evidentiary hearings. I know I felt that way and I vote.

Every legal challenge after the first court decision did not re-evaluate or review the alleged evidence of Terri&#039;s wishes. All the appellate courts did was rule on procedural due process (i.e. did the prior court handle procedure according to the established processes of law).  (Unfortunately, the very letter of the law can be followed, thus destroying any chance for successful appeal, and still not provide justice.... as many an innnocent but executed persons, could tell you....IF they were here to speak.)

Therefore all the Schindlers&#039; challenges were doomed. All they did was postpose the inevitable. And the real crime of it all was that Terri never has her OWN legal representation.  MS had his, parents had theirs, Terri never had her own. Now, that IS a right guaranteed by our Constitution.

I have heard liberals defend Michael, saying...he just couldn&#039;t let her go; benevolently tried all means of rehab in the early years; and only after exhausting all hope, finally threw in the towel and decided to follow her wishes!  Well...we don&#039;t have our cake and eat it too! If you choose to believe that MS is an intransigent man of integrity, then please explain to me why was he not a stand up guy and HONEST about HER wishes from the get-go?  

Mr. Schaivo has always &quot;smelled&quot; real fishy to me because he flip-flopped on his expressed intentions and contradicted himself so many times over the years. It&#039;s hard to believe he is an honest man.  Time will tell if he is the hero that some make him out to be--or simply the pawn of a &quot;euthanasia&quot; interest group that found themselves a stupid patsy.  

One of the most intriguing things about this whole affiar to me has been the MSM&#039;s STANGE and UNCHARACTERISTIC restraint in their treatment of Ms. Centonze and the children? Why such scant information..and why no photos?  (All other famous and notorious people have to resort to armed body guards to keep the paparazzi from publishing pics of them changing their children&#039;s diapers or taking a whiz) The lack of MSM publicity about MS&#039; &quot;other&quot; family is just plumb strange! It ain&#039;t natural..unless...of course...the MSM have some agenda...




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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;82% of us were horrified by that&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230;82% of somebody may have been horrified by what they were misled (by the MSM) into believing was unconstitutional&#8230;.but somehow that 82% never includes me or anyone I have ever known.  I am very skeptical about the proper randomness of samples in media polls.</p>
<p>FACT: Congress did not act outside its constitutional authority in ASKING the appeals courts to consider ordering a de novo or &#8220;new&#8221; look at the original heresay evidence provided by Michael Schiavo, his brother, and his sister-in-law.</p>
<p>Perhaps Congress felt that the Schindler family and all of their witnesses should not have been initially dismissed out of hand as not credible in the initial evidentiary hearings. I know I felt that way and I vote.</p>
<p>Every legal challenge after the first court decision did not re-evaluate or review the alleged evidence of Terri&#8217;s wishes. All the appellate courts did was rule on procedural due process (i.e. did the prior court handle procedure according to the established processes of law).  (Unfortunately, the very letter of the law can be followed, thus destroying any chance for successful appeal, and still not provide justice&#8230;. as many an innnocent but executed persons, could tell you&#8230;.IF they were here to speak.)</p>
<p>Therefore all the Schindlers&#8217; challenges were doomed. All they did was postpose the inevitable. And the real crime of it all was that Terri never has her OWN legal representation.  MS had his, parents had theirs, Terri never had her own. Now, that IS a right guaranteed by our Constitution.</p>
<p>I have heard liberals defend Michael, saying&#8230;he just couldn&#8217;t let her go; benevolently tried all means of rehab in the early years; and only after exhausting all hope, finally threw in the towel and decided to follow her wishes!  Well&#8230;we don&#8217;t have our cake and eat it too! If you choose to believe that MS is an intransigent man of integrity, then please explain to me why was he not a stand up guy and HONEST about HER wishes from the get-go?  </p>
<p>Mr. Schaivo has always &#8220;smelled&#8221; real fishy to me because he flip-flopped on his expressed intentions and contradicted himself so many times over the years. It&#8217;s hard to believe he is an honest man.  Time will tell if he is the hero that some make him out to be&#8211;or simply the pawn of a &#8220;euthanasia&#8221; interest group that found themselves a stupid patsy.  </p>
<p>One of the most intriguing things about this whole affiar to me has been the MSM&#8217;s STANGE and UNCHARACTERISTIC restraint in their treatment of Ms. Centonze and the children? Why such scant information..and why no photos?  (All other famous and notorious people have to resort to armed body guards to keep the paparazzi from publishing pics of them changing their children&#8217;s diapers or taking a whiz) The lack of MSM publicity about MS&#8217; &#8220;other&#8221; family is just plumb strange! It ain&#8217;t natural..unless&#8230;of course&#8230;the MSM have some agenda&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2005 14:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congress makes hundreds of single issue personal laws/actions.  

For example right now, two are currently intervening in a deportation case where an American died in Iraq and BCIS wnts to send his widow back to Bosnia, even tho she promised him she would take care of his 12 year old son.  IIRC, Durbin and Obama are moving to make her a permanent citizen.

So where&#039;s the hypocrisy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congress makes hundreds of single issue personal laws/actions.  </p>
<p>For example right now, two are currently intervening in a deportation case where an American died in Iraq and BCIS wnts to send his widow back to Bosnia, even tho she promised him she would take care of his 12 year old son.  IIRC, Durbin and Obama are moving to make her a permanent citizen.</p>
<p>So where&#8217;s the hypocrisy?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2005 12:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I remember correctly, Michael had her cremated soon after she died, which was a few months ago.  How does a coroner examine ashes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I remember correctly, Michael had her cremated soon after she died, which was a few months ago.  How does a coroner examine ashes?</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/06/15/death-3/comment-page-3/#comment-51384</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2005 11:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What the hell is a &quot;liberal culture of death&quot;? 82% of America is not liberal. This all comes down to the religious right not liking a decision which must have been excruciating to make  so they decided to interfere via the government in someone&#039;s intensely personal matter. 82% of us were horrified by that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What the hell is a &#8220;liberal culture of death&#8221;? 82% of America is not liberal. This all comes down to the religious right not liking a decision which must have been excruciating to make  so they decided to interfere via the government in someone&#8217;s intensely personal matter. 82% of us were horrified by that.</p>
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		<title>By: SCSIwuzzy</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/06/15/death-3/comment-page-3/#comment-51344</link>
		<dc:creator>SCSIwuzzy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2005 09:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josephus,
One was a degenerative condition, the other stable.
Still looking for those Nazi quotes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josephus,<br />
One was a degenerative condition, the other stable.<br />
Still looking for those Nazi quotes?</p>
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		<title>By: Josephus</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/06/15/death-3/comment-page-3/#comment-51286</link>
		<dc:creator>Josephus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2005 05:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s what post #80 said:

&quot;Two years ago my father died from Alzheimerâ€™s. But what he really died from was dehydration. In other words, as the disease progressed he lost the ability to feed himself. We could have gone to great lengths to prolong his life, including nourishing him intravenously, but we judged it was his time.&quot;

LaShawn explicitly -- and immediately -- said that this was not &quot;murder,&quot; and had no harsh words for this respondent.  Please tell us why this is different from Terri&#039;s case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s what post #80 said:</p>
<p>&#8220;Two years ago my father died from Alzheimerâ€™s. But what he really died from was dehydration. In other words, as the disease progressed he lost the ability to feed himself. We could have gone to great lengths to prolong his life, including nourishing him intravenously, but we judged it was his time.&#8221;</p>
<p>LaShawn explicitly &#8212; and immediately &#8212; said that this was not &#8220;murder,&#8221; and had no harsh words for this respondent.  Please tell us why this is different from Terri&#8217;s case.</p>
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		<title>By: Josephus</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/06/15/death-3/comment-page-3/#comment-51282</link>
		<dc:creator>Josephus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2005 05:02:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adrian: in both of the cases you&#039;re trying to separate, a decision was made to forego the treatment required to keep the patients alive, and thus to let the patients die.  There is no moral difference between the two that can possibly justify the vindictive trashing of everyone who had anything to do with one such decision, while excusing the other without qualification.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adrian: in both of the cases you&#8217;re trying to separate, a decision was made to forego the treatment required to keep the patients alive, and thus to let the patients die.  There is no moral difference between the two that can possibly justify the vindictive trashing of everyone who had anything to do with one such decision, while excusing the other without qualification.</p>
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		<title>By: Josephus</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/06/15/death-3/comment-page-3/#comment-51276</link>
		<dc:creator>Josephus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2005 04:48:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;A man - while still married, whatever the circumstances - who takes another woman into his bed and with that woman produces two children, cannot and should not call himself a Catholic.&quot;

And I suppose the parents who knowingly and repeatedly bore false witness against Mr. Schiavo, and took active measures to misrepresent Terri&#039;s condition to the public and elected officials, were perfectly good Catholics?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;A man &#8211; while still married, whatever the circumstances &#8211; who takes another woman into his bed and with that woman produces two children, cannot and should not call himself a Catholic.&#8221;</p>
<p>And I suppose the parents who knowingly and repeatedly bore false witness against Mr. Schiavo, and took active measures to misrepresent Terri&#8217;s condition to the public and elected officials, were perfectly good Catholics?</p>
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