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	<title>Comments on: Senator Richard Durbin &#8211; All Apologies</title>
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		<title>By: RedBeard</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/06/21/durbin/comment-page-2/#comment-53247</link>
		<dc:creator>RedBeard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jun 2005 21:46:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, how did that nick get assigned to my post above?  Probably sabotage by some liberal.  ;)  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, how did that nick get assigned to my post above?  Probably sabotage by some liberal.  <img src='http://lashawnbarber.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: redbeardbarbarosa</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/06/21/durbin/comment-page-2/#comment-53244</link>
		<dc:creator>redbeardbarbarosa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jun 2005 20:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s actually a bit of both, in my case.  I was afflicted with leftie-itis for a few years, but I&#039;m feeling MUCH better now.  

And comparing JFK&#039;s philosophies to those of his crude, vulgar, nasty brother, one would hardly think they could be from the same political party.

Liberalism, in the sense of collectivism, has always been wrong.  Liberalism, in the sense of real fair play, true civil rights, etc., in the spirit of the Founders, has always been right.  Today&#039;s conservatives have evolved to embrace the latter while opposing the former.  Today&#039;s &quot;liberals&quot; have &lt;em&gt;de&lt;/em&gt;volved, and all they have left is the collectivism, plus a whole lot of bitterness and negativity, with no vision whatever.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s actually a bit of both, in my case.  I was afflicted with leftie-itis for a few years, but I&#8217;m feeling MUCH better now.  </p>
<p>And comparing JFK&#8217;s philosophies to those of his crude, vulgar, nasty brother, one would hardly think they could be from the same political party.</p>
<p>Liberalism, in the sense of collectivism, has always been wrong.  Liberalism, in the sense of real fair play, true civil rights, etc., in the spirit of the Founders, has always been right.  Today&#8217;s conservatives have evolved to embrace the latter while opposing the former.  Today&#8217;s &#8220;liberals&#8221; have <em>de</em>volved, and all they have left is the collectivism, plus a whole lot of bitterness and negativity, with no vision whatever.</p>
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		<title>By: SCSIwuzzy</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/06/21/durbin/comment-page-2/#comment-53232</link>
		<dc:creator>SCSIwuzzy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jun 2005 18:37:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t say liberals have always been wrong.  I would say that those who espouse what is currently known as liberalism are, were and will be wrong. :)  But it wouldn&#039;t have been that long ago that Redbeard, Baklava (I suspect) and I would have been called liberal, and the change in labels isn&#039;t because our ideals have changed, but the common definition has.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t say liberals have always been wrong.  I would say that those who espouse what is currently known as liberalism are, were and will be wrong. <img src='http://lashawnbarber.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   But it wouldn&#8217;t have been that long ago that Redbeard, Baklava (I suspect) and I would have been called liberal, and the change in labels isn&#8217;t because our ideals have changed, but the common definition has.</p>
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		<title>By: redbeardbarbarosa</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/06/21/durbin/comment-page-2/#comment-53229</link>
		<dc:creator>redbeardbarbarosa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jun 2005 18:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An interesting intellectual exercise might be to discuss what point in time defines the beginning of the liberal hate agenda.  

It could have been during the Vietnam era, it could have been during the feeding frenzy of Watergate, it could have been during Reagan&#039;s first campaign, or maybe it was as late as the Clinton years.  

Liberals have always been wrong, but they used to be principled.  At some point the majority of them stopped being principled and became just plain nasty.

Prime past example of a principled liberal:  John Kennedy
Prime current example of a nasty liberal:  Teddy Kennedy

Even within one family the lines are drawn.  In the nation as a whole, it&#039;s much more serious.  And so it continues.        </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An interesting intellectual exercise might be to discuss what point in time defines the beginning of the liberal hate agenda.  </p>
<p>It could have been during the Vietnam era, it could have been during the feeding frenzy of Watergate, it could have been during Reagan&#8217;s first campaign, or maybe it was as late as the Clinton years.  </p>
<p>Liberals have always been wrong, but they used to be principled.  At some point the majority of them stopped being principled and became just plain nasty.</p>
<p>Prime past example of a principled liberal:  John Kennedy<br />
Prime current example of a nasty liberal:  Teddy Kennedy</p>
<p>Even within one family the lines are drawn.  In the nation as a whole, it&#8217;s much more serious.  And so it continues.</p>
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		<title>By: Baklava</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/06/21/durbin/comment-page-2/#comment-53227</link>
		<dc:creator>Baklava</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jun 2005 17:30:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ideas? or Hate? I choose ideas but how do you freely exchange ideas as a liberal with the conservatives that you hate?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ideas? or Hate? I choose ideas but how do you freely exchange ideas as a liberal with the conservatives that you hate?</p>
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		<title>By: Cobra</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/06/21/durbin/comment-page-2/#comment-53225</link>
		<dc:creator>Cobra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jun 2005 16:44:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SCSI writes:

&gt;&gt;&gt;I thought his recurring image of former Gov. McGreedy as a super hero was quite funny. Likely not for the same reasons Cobra did.&quot;

Hey, you never know. We may share the same opinions on that subject. ;-)

Isn&#039;t America all about the free exchange of ideas? 

--Cobra
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SCSI writes:</p>
<p>&gt;&gt;&gt;I thought his recurring image of former Gov. McGreedy as a super hero was quite funny. Likely not for the same reasons Cobra did.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hey, you never know. We may share the same opinions on that subject. <img src='http://lashawnbarber.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t America all about the free exchange of ideas? </p>
<p>&#8211;Cobra</p>
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		<title>By: RedBeard</title>
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		<dc:creator>RedBeard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jun 2005 13:04:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There were a few interesting bits.  In particular, it was educational to discover that Al Franken, Randi Rhodes, Janeane Garofalo, etc. are Klansmen.  

Odd, though; I mean, it&#039;s obvious that all conservative talk show hosts love to go around burning crosses.  Sure, we all know that, right?  That&#039;s a given, that all conservatives are eveeeeeeeel people.  But those good and pure and wholesome leftie talkers?  I had &lt;em&gt;no&lt;/em&gt; idea.  Well, live and learn.      </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There were a few interesting bits.  In particular, it was educational to discover that Al Franken, Randi Rhodes, Janeane Garofalo, etc. are Klansmen.  </p>
<p>Odd, though; I mean, it&#8217;s obvious that all conservative talk show hosts love to go around burning crosses.  Sure, we all know that, right?  That&#8217;s a given, that all conservatives are eveeeeeeeel people.  But those good and pure and wholesome leftie talkers?  I had <em>no</em> idea.  Well, live and learn.</p>
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		<title>By: SCSIwuzzy</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/06/21/durbin/comment-page-2/#comment-53077</link>
		<dc:creator>SCSIwuzzy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jun 2005 03:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought his recurring image of former Gov. McGreedy as a super hero was quite funny.  Likely not for the same reasons Cobra did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought his recurring image of former Gov. McGreedy as a super hero was quite funny.  Likely not for the same reasons Cobra did.</p>
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		<title>By: RedBeard</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/06/21/durbin/comment-page-2/#comment-53055</link>
		<dc:creator>RedBeard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jun 2005 23:45:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very illuminating, Bak.  Sad, but illuminating.  I wish I could understand where that degree of hatred comes from.    </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very illuminating, Bak.  Sad, but illuminating.  I wish I could understand where that degree of hatred comes from.</p>
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		<title>By: Baklava</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/06/21/durbin/comment-page-2/#comment-53051</link>
		<dc:creator>Baklava</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jun 2005 23:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Check out this pic from Cobra

http://www.thecobraslair.com/National%20Issues12.html

or this one:

http://www.thecobraslair.com/National%20Issues22.html

Full of hate I say... No need to deal with the misinformation from him. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check out this pic from Cobra</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thecobraslair.com/National%20Issues12.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.thecobraslair.com/National%20Issues12.html</a></p>
<p>or this one:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thecobraslair.com/National%20Issues22.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.thecobraslair.com/National%20Issues22.html</a></p>
<p>Full of hate I say&#8230; No need to deal with the misinformation from him.</p>
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		<title>By: RedBeard</title>
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		<dc:creator>RedBeard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jun 2005 21:42:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cobra said:   &quot;You have a long line of ethnic groups to malign if you think that the lynching apology by the Senate was hollow rhetoric and phony politics.  I doubt youâ€™ll attack those groups though.&quot;

Cobra, the only group I have maligned is the U.S. Senate.  Your other implication simply isn&#039;t true.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cobra said:   &#8220;You have a long line of ethnic groups to malign if you think that the lynching apology by the Senate was hollow rhetoric and phony politics.  I doubt youâ€™ll attack those groups though.&#8221;</p>
<p>Cobra, the only group I have maligned is the U.S. Senate.  Your other implication simply isn&#8217;t true.</p>
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		<title>By: SCSIwuzzy</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/06/21/durbin/comment-page-2/#comment-53027</link>
		<dc:creator>SCSIwuzzy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jun 2005 21:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, Cobra, you are giving rhetoric.
How about the second question:  Are you, in your opinion, prejudiced, bigoted, or racist?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, Cobra, you are giving rhetoric.<br />
How about the second question:  Are you, in your opinion, prejudiced, bigoted, or racist?</p>
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		<title>By: Cobra</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/06/21/durbin/comment-page-2/#comment-53002</link>
		<dc:creator>Cobra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jun 2005 21:03:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Redbeard writes:

&gt;&gt;&gt;Cobra, does it help you to have the U.S. Senate apologize for sins not committed against you, and by senators no longer in the Senate? If it does, ok, I guess. Whatever floats your boat. But please donâ€™t expect me to understand it, because I cannot. It all reeks of hollow rhetoric and phony politics.&quot;

You have a long line of ethnic groups to malign if you think that the lynching apology by the Senate was &quot;hollow rhetoric and phony politics.&quot;
I doubt you&#039;ll attack those groups though. ;-)

&gt;&gt;&gt;If the British government suddenly issued an apology for the abuse suffered by my Irish ancestors, caused by no one issuing the current apology, my thought would be a very large â€œHUH????â€&quot;

You may get to say &quot;Huh&quot; sooner than you think. Apology is all the rage in England.

&quot;&gt;&gt;&gt;PM apology over IRA bomb jailings  
 
Gerry Conlon has campaigned for a public apology 
Tony Blair has apologised to two families who suffered one of the UK&#039;s biggest miscarriages of justice. 
The prime minister was commenting on the wrongful jailing of 11 people for IRA bomb attacks on pubs in Guildford and Woolwich in 1974. 
Mr Blair said: &quot;I am very sorry that they were subject to such an ordeal and injustice.&quot; 
He made the apology to members of the Conlon and Maguire families in his private room at Westminster. 
In a statement recorded for television, Mr Blair said the families deserved &quot;to be completely and publicly exonerated&quot;
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/ northern_ireland/4249175.stm

Apologies for a 30 year old miscarrage of justice? That&#039;s CHICKEN-FEED for Tony Blair! Remember this one, Redbeard?

&gt;&gt;&gt;Washington, D.C. â€” British Prime Minister Tony Blair apologized to the Americans for the British burning of documents during the War of 1812.
The British raided the American capital from August 17-28, 1814. While there, they burned the White House, the Capitol and other buildings, which provided a nice revenge for the Americans&#039; burning and sacking of York in 1813.&quot; 
http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:NRZLSddgo7sJ:www.generalbrock.com/level2/articles/news/blair.htm++British+apology&amp;hl=en&amp;ie=UTF-8

Scuzzi writes:

&gt;&gt;&gt;&quot;Your point is what? That Republicans then (Jim Crow era) and now, are racists?&quot;

 I&#039;m just giving you FACTS. You can interpret them anyway you wish. My point is I&#039;m more fascinated by the REFUSAL of Southern Republican Senators to support the anti-lynching apology apparently paling in comparison to Durban&#039;s turn of phrases while reading the BUSH ADMINISTRATION&#039;S FBI reports on conditions at Guantanamo.
 I don&#039;t think lynching or torture is a supportable practice. There are posters in this blog that seem to have a different point of view.

--Cobra

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Redbeard writes:</p>
<p>&gt;&gt;&gt;Cobra, does it help you to have the U.S. Senate apologize for sins not committed against you, and by senators no longer in the Senate? If it does, ok, I guess. Whatever floats your boat. But please donâ€™t expect me to understand it, because I cannot. It all reeks of hollow rhetoric and phony politics.&#8221;</p>
<p>You have a long line of ethnic groups to malign if you think that the lynching apology by the Senate was &#8220;hollow rhetoric and phony politics.&#8221;<br />
I doubt you&#8217;ll attack those groups though. <img src='http://lashawnbarber.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>&gt;&gt;&gt;If the British government suddenly issued an apology for the abuse suffered by my Irish ancestors, caused by no one issuing the current apology, my thought would be a very large â€œHUH????â€&#8221;</p>
<p>You may get to say &#8220;Huh&#8221; sooner than you think. Apology is all the rage in England.</p>
<p>&#8220;&gt;&gt;&gt;PM apology over IRA bomb jailings  </p>
<p>Gerry Conlon has campaigned for a public apology<br />
Tony Blair has apologised to two families who suffered one of the UK&#8217;s biggest miscarriages of justice.<br />
The prime minister was commenting on the wrongful jailing of 11 people for IRA bomb attacks on pubs in Guildford and Woolwich in 1974.<br />
Mr Blair said: &#8220;I am very sorry that they were subject to such an ordeal and injustice.&#8221;<br />
He made the apology to members of the Conlon and Maguire families in his private room at Westminster.<br />
In a statement recorded for television, Mr Blair said the families deserved &#8220;to be completely and publicly exonerated&#8221;<br />
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/ northern_ireland/4249175.stm</p>
<p>Apologies for a 30 year old miscarrage of justice? That&#8217;s CHICKEN-FEED for Tony Blair! Remember this one, Redbeard?</p>
<p>&gt;&gt;&gt;Washington, D.C. â€” British Prime Minister Tony Blair apologized to the Americans for the British burning of documents during the War of 1812.<br />
The British raided the American capital from August 17-28, 1814. While there, they burned the White House, the Capitol and other buildings, which provided a nice revenge for the Americans&#8217; burning and sacking of York in 1813.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:NRZLSddgo7sJ:www.generalbrock.com/level2/articles/news/blair.htm++British+apology&amp;hl=en&amp;ie=UTF-8" rel="nofollow">http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:NRZLSddgo7sJ:www.generalbrock.com/level2/articles/news/blair.htm++British+apology&amp;hl=en&amp;ie=UTF-8</a></p>
<p>Scuzzi writes:</p>
<p>&gt;&gt;&gt;&#8221;Your point is what? That Republicans then (Jim Crow era) and now, are racists?&#8221;</p>
<p> I&#8217;m just giving you FACTS. You can interpret them anyway you wish. My point is I&#8217;m more fascinated by the REFUSAL of Southern Republican Senators to support the anti-lynching apology apparently paling in comparison to Durban&#8217;s turn of phrases while reading the BUSH ADMINISTRATION&#8217;S FBI reports on conditions at Guantanamo.<br />
 I don&#8217;t think lynching or torture is a supportable practice. There are posters in this blog that seem to have a different point of view.</p>
<p>&#8211;Cobra</p>
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		<title>By: RedBeard</title>
		<link>http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2005/06/21/durbin/comment-page-2/#comment-52973</link>
		<dc:creator>RedBeard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jun 2005 18:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cobra, does it help you to have the U.S. Senate apologize for sins not committed against you, and by senators no longer in the Senate?  If it does, ok, I guess.  Whatever floats your boat.  But please don&#039;t expect me to understand it, because I cannot.  It all reeks of hollow rhetoric and phony politics.

If the British government suddenly issued an apology for the abuse suffered by my Irish ancestors, caused by no one issuing the current apology, my thought would be a very large &quot;HUH????&quot;  

If the French and German governments, composed of not one guilty soul, apologized for failing to act to stop the systematic murder and abuse of my Mennonite ancestors, my reaction would be the same, one of puzzlement.

But hey, what the heck; if any of those goofy, phony, guilt-ridden politicians want to give me apologies &lt;strong&gt;and&lt;/strong&gt; reparations, for sins committed by no one alive today against no one alive today, I&#039;m all for it.  I could use a new wide screen plasma TV.  ;)      </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cobra, does it help you to have the U.S. Senate apologize for sins not committed against you, and by senators no longer in the Senate?  If it does, ok, I guess.  Whatever floats your boat.  But please don&#8217;t expect me to understand it, because I cannot.  It all reeks of hollow rhetoric and phony politics.</p>
<p>If the British government suddenly issued an apology for the abuse suffered by my Irish ancestors, caused by no one issuing the current apology, my thought would be a very large &#8220;HUH????&#8221;  </p>
<p>If the French and German governments, composed of not one guilty soul, apologized for failing to act to stop the systematic murder and abuse of my Mennonite ancestors, my reaction would be the same, one of puzzlement.</p>
<p>But hey, what the heck; if any of those goofy, phony, guilt-ridden politicians want to give me apologies <strong>and</strong> reparations, for sins committed by no one alive today against no one alive today, I&#8217;m all for it.  I could use a new wide screen plasma TV.  <img src='http://lashawnbarber.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: SCSIwuzzy</title>
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		<dc:creator>SCSIwuzzy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jun 2005 18:48:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So....
Cobra
Your point is what?  That Republicans then (Jim Crow era) and now, are racists?  
Now, would you consider yourself prejudiced, bigoted or racist?
Just trying to get the background on your thinking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So&#8230;.<br />
Cobra<br />
Your point is what?  That Republicans then (Jim Crow era) and now, are racists?<br />
Now, would you consider yourself prejudiced, bigoted or racist?<br />
Just trying to get the background on your thinking.</p>
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